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Reply #270 posted 07/12/06 6:19am

SIRTONY

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sacredwarrior said:

so who gets the webby award now ? lol

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is this another millie vanille thing ???... lol
it goes back to the award committe.. wink
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Reply #271 posted 07/12/06 6:45am

wonder505

SIRTONY said:

sacredwarrior said:

so who gets the webby award now ? lol

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is this another millie vanille thing ???... lol
it goes back to the award committe.. wink



LOL. You may be right!
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Reply #272 posted 07/12/06 7:13am

Graycap23

jseven said:

This article quotes an attorney for Paisley Park Enterprises that, "to the best of his knowledge, the web site closing and the trademark, were not related"

http://www.thebumpsquad.com

http://www.tmz.com/2006/0...-web-site/

Prince Abruptly Closes Official Web Site
Posted Jul 11th 2006 5:34PM by TMZ Staff


Prince's official Web site, NPGMusicClub.com, closed suddenly last week with no advanced notice. The club simply sent around an email that said, in part, they decided to "put the club on hiatus until further notice."

The announcement went on to say, "In its current [form] there is a feeling that the NPGMC gone as far as it can go." It ended, "The future holds nothing but endless opportunity and we plan on seizing it wholeheartedly. Don't u want 2 come?"

In a possibly related story, Prince filed for a trademark on the mark "NPG Music Club" last year. An opposition was filed against that claim by HM Publishers Holding Limited, which owns the Nature Publishing Group, or NPG. The opposition was filed on the same day that NPGMusicClub.com was put on "hiatus."
An attorney for Prince's company, Paisley Park Enterprises, told TMZ that the two incidents were not related, to the best of his knowledge, and that the "opposition will be resolved shortly."

Prince has been one of the pioneers of music on the Internet. He was the first major artist to release an entire album -- 1997's "Crystal Ball" -- exclusively on the Web. The NPG Music Club had boasted several full-length CDs of music that were unavailable anywhere else.

He was honored last month with a Webby Lifetime Achievement Award. "Besides being a musical genius, Prince is a visionary who recognized early on that the web would completely change how we experience music," said Tiffany Shlain, founder of The Webby Awards. "For more than a decade, he has tapped the power of the Web to forge a deeper connection with his fans and push the boundaries of technology and art."

http://www.thebumpsquad.com

I guess this BLOWS up yall dumbass theories.....
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Reply #273 posted 07/12/06 7:31am

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Synergy said:



Yes, it more than likely is the reason, because according 2 the above letter sent 2 the lawyers representing Prince and PPE, the "NPG" more than likely cannot b used until the very least August 2, 2007 - when all testimony and Discovery must b submitted. I seriously doubt that it would b that soon as they would have 2 await a judgement from the governing committee.

I am wondering, if "we" as the members of The "NPG" can throw some salt into Nature's game, in the 4m of a class action suit, if 4 nothing else, 2 tie their hands up as they have tied Prince's hands.

They have, by their lawsuit, infringed upon r memberships, causing undo stress 2 many members, loss of friendships, loss of access 2 music and merchandise and perks that as NPG members, we are entitled too.

I am serious, I don't expect it 2 go anywhere, but nothing will choke a lawsuit like another lawsuit? Get me... Prince/prince has been calling fam NPG since the early 90's - we can claim that as a "community" HM is causing harm.

So, is this possible? Or am I just evil? lol lol lol

Oh and U're welcome on thanks 4 my research... Cool


hey synergy

i'm sure you're trying to help, but honestly, this class action thing would at best be a fruitless waste of money, and at worst would be vexatious litigation, and you don't want to hit with a big ass bill on your doorstep for that.
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Reply #274 posted 07/12/06 7:49am

Terilicious

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Terilicious said:

What?

I don't get a super fantastic cryptic reply?

Nobody likes me... sad cry


Awwwww comfort lol

You know, at first I was kinda put off by the whole Karma angle in this thread and then I got to thinkin this is exactly what Prince deserves for being such a jackass in the 90s and suing his fans who's only crime was being devoted fans. So many of the fans he went after only had lyrics on their site and pictures in honor of their favorite musician and he acted like a total nutball and a giant jerk. Yup, what comes around goes around evillol


Thanks!! smile
I hate to be a petty "na na na na na" kinda person, but it is a type of poetic justice. Still it's so unfair to the fan community and I hate to see Prince hurt even if he brought it upon himself.
Now could ya rearrange the words in your response and add some mystic babble so that I can have one of those crazy ass cryptic quotes to decipher for myself??? lol smile biggrin
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Reply #275 posted 07/12/06 10:44am

wonder505

Terilicious said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



Awwwww comfort lol

You know, at first I was kinda put off by the whole Karma angle in this thread and then I got to thinkin this is exactly what Prince deserves for being such a jackass in the 90s and suing his fans who's only crime was being devoted fans. So many of the fans he went after only had lyrics on their site and pictures in honor of their favorite musician and he acted like a total nutball and a giant jerk. Yup, what comes around goes around evillol


Thanks!! smile
I hate to be a petty "na na na na na" kinda person, but it is a type of poetic justice. Still it's so unfair to the fan community and I hate to see Prince hurt even if he brought it upon himself.
Now could ya rearrange the words in your response and add some mystic babble so that I can have one of those crazy ass cryptic quotes to decipher for myself??? lol smile biggrin
[Edited 7/12/06 8:09am]


Yes, karma is hitting on all levels, let's hope there's a lot of reflection going on. I just hope this all get resolved and some shows be announced real soon.
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Reply #276 posted 07/12/06 11:14am

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Graycap23 said:

jseven said:

This article quotes an attorney for Paisley Park Enterprises that, "to the best of his knowledge, the web site closing and the trademark, were not related"

http://www.thebumpsquad.com

http://www.tmz.com/2006/0...-web-site/

Prince Abruptly Closes Official Web Site
Posted Jul 11th 2006 5:34PM by TMZ Staff


Prince's official Web site, NPGMusicClub.com, closed suddenly last week with no advanced notice. The club simply sent around an email that said, in part, they decided to "put the club on hiatus until further notice."

The announcement went on to say, "In its current [form] there is a feeling that the NPGMC gone as far as it can go." It ended, "The future holds nothing but endless opportunity and we plan on seizing it wholeheartedly. Don't u want 2 come?"

In a possibly related story, Prince filed for a trademark on the mark "NPG Music Club" last year. An opposition was filed against that claim by HM Publishers Holding Limited, which owns the Nature Publishing Group, or NPG. The opposition was filed on the same day that NPGMusicClub.com was put on "hiatus."
An attorney for Prince's company, Paisley Park Enterprises, told TMZ that the two incidents were not related, to the best of his knowledge, and that the "opposition will be resolved shortly."

Prince has been one of the pioneers of music on the Internet. He was the first major artist to release an entire album -- 1997's "Crystal Ball" -- exclusively on the Web. The NPG Music Club had boasted several full-length CDs of music that were unavailable anywhere else.

He was honored last month with a Webby Lifetime Achievement Award. "Besides being a musical genius, Prince is a visionary who recognized early on that the web would completely change how we experience music," said Tiffany Shlain, founder of The Webby Awards. "For more than a decade, he has tapped the power of the Web to forge a deeper connection with his fans and push the boundaries of technology and art."

http://www.thebumpsquad.com

I guess this BLOWS up yall dumbass theories.....



not really...like prince has ever been honest and forthcoming about any thing. lol


so we are supposed to expect his camp to be honest now? while he might not have been threatened to close the site down its obvious (in my view) that the lawsuit was a factor in him deciding to change directions...

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Reply #277 posted 07/12/06 11:46am

bygrl6

I think it's a DAMN shame that this has happened! I don't see how people would mistake NPGMC for NPG! To me this lawsuit is stupid! I think ya'll should stand behind him and have Faith that all of this works out for the best! Quit dogging the man out!!!!!
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Reply #278 posted 07/12/06 5:40pm

babynoz

bygrl6 said:

I think it's a DAMN shame that this has happened! I don't see how people would mistake NPGMC for NPG! To me this lawsuit is stupid! I think ya'll should stand behind him and have Faith that all of this works out for the best! Quit dogging the man out!!!!!





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Reply #279 posted 07/12/06 6:04pm

sacredwarrior

Graycap23 said:

I guess this BLOWS up yall dumbass theories.....


flame.

when i got here i read the rules

it says we're not supposed to post rumour attention seeking threads


which cant be supported with source back-up


" Prince told me " is hardly proof.



*


for the record

the theories expressed here arent 'dumbass' at all


" karma is hitting on all levels "



take care and peace out


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Reply #280 posted 07/12/06 7:44pm

BSK3601

sacredwarrior said:

Graycap23 said:

I guess this BLOWS up yall dumbass theories.....


flame.

when i got here i read the rules

it says we're not supposed to post rumour attention seeking threads


which cant be supported with source back-up


" Prince told me " is hardly proof.



*


for the record

the theories expressed here arent 'dumbass' at all


" karma is hitting on all levels "



take care and peace out


heart


the rules also state
Don't post useless off-topic stuff


yet you continuously do so...
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Reply #281 posted 07/12/06 9:57pm

sacredwarrior

BSK3601 said:[quote]

sacredwarrior said:



the rules also state
Don't post useless off-topic stuff


yet you continuously do so...



if you or they cant see the connection

then i guess thats on you and them


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Reply #282 posted 07/12/06 10:33pm

BSK3601

sacredwarrior said:

BSK3601 said:



yet you continuously do so...



if you or they cant see the connection

then i guess thats on you and them


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Maybe they can see it if they purchase one of your compact discs... $10.99
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Reply #283 posted 07/12/06 11:18pm

Snap

jseven said:

This article quotes [b]an attorney for Paisley Park Enterprises that, "to the best of his knowledge...


that's not exactly a black and white answer, is it?
the only time people say "to the best of my knowledge"
is when they covering up for something they do know
or covering up for something they don't know

so, what it is?!

"to the best of my knowledge" should be outlawed
that ain't an answer

the madnesty continues...
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Reply #284 posted 07/13/06 3:43am

blanket

This is all going slightly crazy people. Calm down please.
Just to add some news to the ongoing discussion (and forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but there are 10 pages of bitterness here). Taken from the UK's CMU Daily newsletter:

NPG SHUTDOWN NOT DUE TO TRADEMARK
A legal representative of Prince has denied the NPG Music Club is on hold
because of a trademark legal dispute. As previously reported, Prince's award
winning online fan community went on hiatus earlier this month. This
followed a legal claim by British based HM Publishing Holdings that they
owned the NPG trademark for its science-book subsidiary the Nature
Publishing Group. But Princes' lawyer, David Schelzel, has told reporters
that those two events are not connected and that the singer already has
approval to use the NPG name from the US Patent and Trademark Office and
that therefore the trademark legal action against him is "minor". He told
the Star Tribune newspaper: "Prince's use of the NPG trademarks is no way in
jeopardy". Asked why the site had gone down, Schelzel said: "Wait and see"
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Reply #285 posted 07/13/06 4:08am

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Not sure if this has been posted here as yet but I found this link on a website called Launch, which is affiliated with Yahoo !!

http://music.yahoo.com/re...s/34010201
Today was Tomorrow and Yesterday was Today...so what time is it now ??
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Reply #286 posted 07/13/06 5:32am

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As one said here b4, Prince is a visionary. Anybody remember the intro of the NPG's "Exodus" album with the operator saying "When it comes time 2 download your work into your fans' computers"...this is 1995 when no other artist or even most of the people knew that was gonna be the future of music's distribution, even the internet back then was in its firts steps...Ya'll have 2 give him some credit!

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Reply #287 posted 07/13/06 7:48am

rhomea

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sosgemini said:

Graycap23 said:


I guess this BLOWS up yall dumbass theories.....



not really...like prince has ever been honest and forthcoming about any thing. lol


so we are supposed to expect his camp to be honest now? while he might not have been threatened to close the site down its obvious (in my view) that the lawsuit was a factor in him deciding to change directions...

shrug

sorry guy but there is no evidence to support your assumption and ALL the evidence (as I told you before) says that is NOT the case. THERE IS NO LAWSUIT! just an objection to a TM filing.

It did not compell Prince to do anything with the Member areas of the site and the fact is he is still selling NPG merchandise on a site that is still marked with NPG all over it!


So if you and (any one else who can't wrap their mind around Prince shutting down on his own) want to keep believing that an UNRELATED TM appeal did - your choice.

But the facts of the matter - and now his lawyers - clearly show that it didn't.
Frank Zappa was the greatest American composer of the last 50 years, the greatest electric guitarist to have ever played that instrument, and his music will be performed live long after Purple Rain will have been forgotten.
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Reply #288 posted 07/13/06 8:23am

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I'd respectfully suggest to the Mods here that you get this now (thank god) disproven and illogical, inaccurate hyperbolic thread off as a sticky - now that 15,000 page views have been wasted on complete... supposition (See - i'm being polite here smile ).
Never mind that this stuff has now spilled all over ALL the Prince sites rolleyes

If you really want to now what is going on with Prince -- as usual just follow the MUSIC or the MONEY...


http://www.prince.org/msg...95385?pg=1
[Edited 7/13/06 8:23am]
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Reply #289 posted 07/13/06 8:33am

sosgemini

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rhomea said:

I'd respectfully suggest to the Mods here that you get this now (thank god) disproven and illogical, inaccurate hyperbolic thread off as a sticky - now that 15,000 page views have been wasted on complete... supposition (See - i'm being polite here smile ).
Never mind that this stuff has now spilled all over ALL the Prince sites rolleyes

If you really want to now what is going on with Prince -- as usual just follow the MUSIC or the MONEY...


http://www.prince.org/msg...95385?pg=1
[Edited 7/13/06 8:23am]



nothing has been disproved...people are hear to debate their own theories...you may disagree with them but the fact of the matter is none of us know whats going on. so let folks have their fun pontificating on whats going on.

look, while some may disagree, we at the org try our hardest to allow folks to discuss things openly...the last thing we want is this place to turn into another npgmc.


wave
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Reply #290 posted 07/13/06 9:08am

rhomea

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sosgemini said:

rhomea said:

I'd respectfully suggest to the Mods here that you get this now (thank god) disproven and illogical, inaccurate hyperbolic thread off as a sticky - now that 15,000 page views have been wasted on complete... supposition (See - i'm being polite here smile ).
Never mind that this stuff has now spilled all over ALL the Prince sites rolleyes

If you really want to now what is going on with Prince -- as usual just follow the MUSIC or the MONEY...


http://www.prince.org/msg...95385?pg=1
[Edited 7/13/06 8:23am]



nothing has been disproving...people are hear to debate their own theories..your free to agree to disagree but dont be coming here telling people how they should think or what discussions should be had here...

you are one of thousands or participants here on the org...sit back and enjoy yourself.

wave

OK... i gotta say that's rubbish

A)"nothing has been disproving..."
Really confused I would say that the following false statements have now been completely disproven (there were plenty more just can't be bothered):
but the thing is that whatever music would have,or has been published under the banner of "NPG" could b caput.

His hands, the NPGMC's hands were tied - they had 2 shut down on reciept of that letter


B) I wouldn't presume "to be coming here telling people how they should think" and did no such thing. I AM A BIG FAN OF INDIE THINKING 8) I believe that lots of OTHER people here have been telling people what to think based on wholly erroneous and unsupported theories.

is that a crime? No
is this a court of law? NO
should it have been made a sticky which gives it the endorsement of the ORG? IMO No (but then you knew that already wink )

C)" or [telling] what discussions should be had here..."
AGAIN, I did no such thing - what I DID do was point out to you early on that this thread was based on nothing but unsupported and illogical misinterpretations of the legal situation. based on that, I suggested that making it a sticky was a bad idea.

D) I AM sitting back, relaxed and having fun. from your ORIGINAL typing I might think that perhaps it is you who was a tad upset wink
but Your Modesty, since you are the boss here- you do what you feel like.

just don't hurl accusations at me unless you can back them up.

wave
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Reply #291 posted 07/13/06 9:14am

rhomea

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sosgemini said:

rhomea said:

I'd respectfully suggest to the Mods here that you get this now (thank god) disproven and illogical, inaccurate hyperbolic thread off as a sticky - now that 15,000 page views have been wasted on complete... supposition (See - i'm being polite here smile ).
Never mind that this stuff has now spilled all over ALL the Prince sites rolleyes

If you really want to now what is going on with Prince -- as usual just follow the MUSIC or the MONEY...


http://www.prince.org/msg...95385?pg=1
[Edited 7/13/06 8:23am]



nothing has been disproved...people are hear to debate their own theories...you may disagree with them but the fact of the matter is none of us know whats going on. so let folks have their fun pontificating on whats going on.

look, while some may disagree, we at the org try our hardest to allow folks to discuss things openly...the last thing we want is this place to turn into another npgmc.


wave
[Edited 7/13/06 8:56am]


well that's more MODERATE wink
and lord knows I who had 100s of posts Deeleted, threads locked and was banned for not following their capricious and arbitrary rules would never want to see anything like the MC forums done anywhere rolleyes

So now that we understand each other - let's pass the peace pipe. blunt
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Reply #292 posted 07/13/06 10:56am

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Hey guys, I don't know if this has already been posted, but glamslam.org sent this bulletin on myspace today:


Princes Web site shut down
Attorney says its not due to recent trademark lawsuit

Updated: 6:17 p.m. MT July 12, 2006
MINNEAPOLIS - Princes fan Web site has been shut down, but an attorney for the musician says its not related to a recent trademark lawsuit against the site, NPGMusicClub.com.

HM Publishing Holdings, a book company in England, filed the lawsuit on July 3 based on its own NPG, a science-book subsidiary called the Nature Publishing Group.

Princes attorney, David Schelzel, said Prince already has approval of the name from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, and that the legal action is minor.


Princes use of the NPG or Paisley Park trademarks is no way in jeopardy, Schelzel said. When asked why the site was shut down, Schelzel told the Star Tribune Wait and see.

Last month, New Yorks RED Distribution announced a deal in which it will be the sole distributor of all of Princes NPG products. Soon after that, an e-mail was sent out to NPG members saying the site had entered a time of great reflection and restructuring.

The online club started around 2000, and it won Prince a Webby Award in June for being an Internet innovator.

In its current 4m (form), there is a feeling that the NPGMC has gone as far as it can go, the e-mail said. The future holds nothing but endless opportunity. Dont u want 2 come?

© 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

msnbc.com
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Reply #293 posted 07/13/06 11:20am

jone70

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VenusBlingBling said:

Hey guys, I don't know if this has already been posted, but glamslam.org sent this bulletin on myspace today:




It's been posted here: http://www.prince.org/msg/13/195261

and parts of it are also being discussed here: http://www.prince.org/msg/7/195313

cool
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Reply #294 posted 07/13/06 1:01pm

Snap

sosgemini said:



look, while some may disagree, we at the org try our hardest to allow folks to discuss things openly...the last thing we want is this place to turn into another npgmc.


nod thumbs up!
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Reply #295 posted 07/13/06 1:03pm

Snap

adehone said:

Not sure if this has been posted here as yet but I found this link on a website called Launch, which is affiliated with Yahoo !!

http://music.yahoo.com/re...s/34010201


this reporter needs to go out and get his own facts instead of stealing other people's erroneous statements
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Reply #296 posted 07/13/06 4:58pm

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After taking some time to read the link that synergy provided, I feel that those of us who really care about Prince and NPG,NPGMC, WNPG and what ever else Prince has his hand in should send prayer up for the man. We dont know what is really going on and we will not know what is really going on until we hear something from Prince and his people. A person that is now into their religion will be attacked by unwanted and evil.
I have in one hand a bucket of water and a torch in the other, with these I will set heaven on fire and put out the flames in hell so that no one will worship god in fear of not going to heaven or ending up in hell.
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Reply #297 posted 07/13/06 5:40pm

sacredwarrior

rhomea said:

the fact is he is still selling NPG merchandise on a site that is still marked with NPG all over it!
.



" goodbye fuck off no warning no courtesy...but do feel free to keep giving us your money..we have lots of ultimately useless things to sell you...and most of it has nothing to do with music...we're even gunna keep selling you soundwaves cuz we're too faithless to give em to you for free...but we've been conditioned by the system and refuse to evolve cuz we think we know better than Jehovah "
" the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below.
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Reply #298 posted 07/13/06 5:53pm

wonder505

Snap said:

sosgemini said:



look, while some may disagree, we at the org try our hardest to allow folks to discuss things openly...the last thing we want is this place to turn into another npgmc.


nod thumbs up!



I totally agree! cool
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Reply #299 posted 07/14/06 4:56am

maniraptess

how could prince not know about nature magazine? this is so funny. you can google npg and there it is.
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