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Reply #30 posted 07/11/02 5:54pm

Funk

Here is what I sent into NPGMC:

Dear NPGMC,

I would appreciate it if you would just focus on the music. I do not come to your club for religious/cult involvement. I have absolutely no interest in Prince's "religious" beliefs and have found his preaching at concerts to be somewhat offensive.

I joined this club for the love of the music, and I continue to see little music and lots of religion/cult pushing. If this continues to be your M.O., I will not be renewing my membership.

Funk
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Reply #31 posted 07/11/02 6:51pm

goldenpath

Funk said:

Here is what I sent into NPGMC:

Dear NPGMC,

I would appreciate it if you would just focus on the music. I do not come to your club for religious/cult involvement. I have absolutely no interest in Prince's "religious" beliefs and have found his preaching at concerts to be somewhat offensive.

I joined this club for the love of the music, and I continue to see little music and lots of religion/cult pushing. If this continues to be your M.O., I will not be renewing my membership.

Funk
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Reply #32 posted 07/11/02 6:52pm

goldenpath

I totally agree with u Funk
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Reply #33 posted 07/11/02 7:45pm

Moonbeam

Those are some great replies, herb and clubkid! You've made me consider the questions even more! Keep them coming!
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Reply #34 posted 07/11/02 7:56pm

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Ok People, my answers were somewhat different...

1. Did u get a small case of “post-Celebration blues” when the event ended — and Y?

No. The celebration excludes those who live far away, are poor, have not got internet access, have not got a credit card or, like in my case, can't drop things at such short notice. By the way, what do you mean by "and Y"? Y is a vowel, not a word. I thought you had to get smart to be part of the NPG? If you are in it, why can't you spell?


2. Y do people of all backgrounds get along at Paisley Park, and not elsewhere?

They do not, just look at the views on the ORG. Plus, all backgrounds were not represented. You just like to think they were because it makes you feel good.


3. In actuality, what r BORDERS? And y r they erased when the Funk drops?

You want an example of a border? A class system that allows people willing to cough up money to NPG, getting preferential treatment over fans who can not get access to the signing up procedures or the money to join. A reasonably priced individual CD, available by internet, mail, phone and retail is a lot closer to a borderless society. "Y R they erased"? They are not, by the very fact that the funk is offered in an "Xclsusive" form. By the way. R is a letter, not a word. Please go 2 skool.


4. The Celebration proved that people from various backgrounds can party 2gether — but will we ever b able 2 worship in Truth 2gether?

That depends on whether Prince or PP will accept that the truth may not lie with a fantasy figure, coupled with cult beliefs. Or at the very least, open your mind to the idea.

5. Many say that one’s own relationship with God is a “personal thing.” That being said, how would that work next 2: “A family that prays 2gether stays 2gether.”? Just how big is r human family?

Ask Abe Lincoln. Is he your brother? Do you forgive him?


6. 2 say “Amen” at the end of a prayer simply means that u agree with the prayer. If someone had closed the Celebration in prayer, would u have bowed ur head and simply made up ur own prayer in ur mind?

To say "Amen" at the end of a prayer means you were conditioned to believe in a god as a child with no facts other than a story someone else told you.


7. What point is there 2 pray 2 different Gods if there is only one?

Let me ask you, What is the point of praying for one god if there may not be one?


8. We hear talk of separation of God and State… State of What? Mind? R the efforts made by certain members of society 2 remove God from State a sign of progress or regress?

Who hears talk of a separation of god and state? JW? This topic can only cause regress. Humans progress from looking forward and overcoming fear of the unknown. The only reason humans are not on Pluto now is because the of dark ages, and fear of science. 900 years wasted because of the fear of gods. Areas of our planet contain people who believe having their photo taken, steals their soul. Is that the word of god or fear of god, handed down by generations who needed to find answers to questions we have yet to solve?


9. Y have all of mankind’s attempts at creating UTOPIA 4 itself failed so far?

Because everyones idea of Utopia is defferent. Some people my be living in their utopia right now.


10. How can r society eliminate XENOPHOBIA?

Religion is the biggest single divide on the planet. Xenophobia, in the majority of cases is caused by religious conditioning. Eliminate the need to believe in a make believe ruler(s), you begin to start the healing process.


11. 7 days of music, peace, and love — and then back 2 the “real world”… How real is the “real world”?

Or what is it? Everything outside of Paisley Park.


12. What is the difference between AGREEMENT and HARMONY?

Agreement = An offer and an acceptance to recieve 4 CDs, suprise downloads and a 2002 world tour.

Harmony = You delivering it.
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Reply #35 posted 07/11/02 7:59pm

AzureStar

SquirrelMeat said:

5. Many say that one’s own relationship with God is a “personal thing.” That being said, how would that work next 2: “A family that prays 2gether stays 2gether.”? Just how big is r human family?

Ask Abe Lincoln. Is he your brother? Do you forgive him?


Excellent point!

12. What is the difference between AGREEMENT and HARMONY?

Agreement = An offer and an acceptance to recieve 4 CDs, suprise downloads and a 2002 world tour.

Harmony = You delivering it.


LoL lol
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Reply #36 posted 07/11/02 8:02pm

Moonbeam

Your answers are too funny, SquirrelMeat! I hope Prince reads it unfiltered! He needs to know that a great deal of his fans feel the way you do!
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Reply #37 posted 07/11/02 8:20pm

SquirrelMeat

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Moonbeam said:

Your answers are too funny, SquirrelMeat! I hope Prince reads it unfiltered! He needs to know that a great deal of his fans feel the way you do!


Well thank you me ole china! I try to please!

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Reply #38 posted 07/11/02 8:22pm

Moonbeam

SquirrelMeat said:

Moonbeam said:

Your answers are too funny, SquirrelMeat! I hope Prince reads it unfiltered! He needs to know that a great deal of his fans feel the way you do!


Well thank you me ole china! I try to please!

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I admire your honesty and courage to send this to NPGMC! Prince DOES need to hear this.
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Reply #39 posted 07/11/02 8:45pm

Clubkid

Funk said:

Here is what I sent into NPGMC:

Dear NPGMC,

I would appreciate it if you would just focus on the music. I do not come to your club for religious/cult involvement. I have absolutely no interest in Prince's "religious" beliefs and have found his preaching at concerts to be somewhat offensive.

I joined this club for the love of the music, and I continue to see little music and lots of religion/cult pushing. If this continues to be your M.O., I will not be renewing my membership.

Funk


WELL SAID! I feel like an idiot for taking the time 2 answer all those questions, especially when the true issue at hand is what u just covered! Work it!
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Reply #40 posted 07/11/02 9:21pm

Berry

I posted mine on another thread, but this seems to be the place to be.

All who have posted their answers here...YOU BLOW MY MIND!I can not even begin to tell you how brave, intelligent, and convicted you are. So many of your answers are so eloquent and insightful...thank you for breathing life into all of this. Thank you for being sensible as well.


1.Did u get a small case of “post-Celebration blues” when the event ended — and Y?

Yes. Because it's like a vacation and you don't want to go home and go back to work. You want to play!Our lives are not like Princes, we can't just hop on a plane and go and do anything we want whenever. We do not have those sorts of luxuries. So Celebration is the biggest event or break a lot of us get all year.

2.Y do people of all backgrounds get along at Paisley Park, and not elsewhere?

Believe it or not, they don't. You just don't hear about it. What typically happens is that like-minded people gravitate towards eachother. Also, like vacation, nobody gets into hardcore conversation because they are "on vacation" and don't want to get into arguments.

3.In actuality, what r BORDERS? And y r they erased when the Funk drops?

Borders? In what context? No, I don't think borders are erased when the funk drops. I need to ask questions before answering this.

4.The Celebration proved that people from various backgrounds can party 2gether — but will we ever b able 2 worship in Truth 2gether?

Nobody definitively has the "truth". We can all worship together, but worship in the exact same way is like saying "can't I play music exactly like Prince"? We are different. And that is not negative or bad.

5.Many say that one’s own relationship with God is a “personal thing.” That being said, how would that work next 2: “A family that prays 2gether stays 2gether.”? Just how big is r human family?

Unity is not about "God". Unity and love are about us, you and me. Taking care of oneself and helping others. It's about being the best person you can be...now. It's about respect. It's about living in the moment and spreading your happiness and love to others. As prince says in his song "She loves Me 4 Me". When he wakes he looks into her eyes and finds a better place. It's moments like that that I find my meaning for my existance. In the simple things. So rather than pray together, I just share in as many wonderful moments with my family and human family as I can. That is where I find that I need to be.

6.2 say “Amen” at the end of a prayer simply means that u agree with the prayer. If someone had closed the Celebration in prayer, would u have bowed ur head and simply made up ur own prayer in ur mind?

Yes. I would have participated in my way. What works for me. And admired the beauty of you doing your thing. It all would have still been positive though wouldn't it?

7.What point is there 2 pray 2 different Gods if there is only one?

How in the world can you say that?

8.We hear talk of separation of God and State… State of What? Mind? R the efforts made by certain members of society 2 remove God from State a sign of progress or regress?

How come Prince doesn't come out and talk to his "Fams"? How come he didn't sit in the same theater as his "Fams"? Same difference, it's all relative...

9.Y have all of mankind’s attempts at creating UTOPIA 4 itself failed so far?

I do not have a concrete answer other than maybe it is not meant to be. We have good and bad, up and down, left and right... Just doesn't fit the equation. However, if I have found peace and happiness in myself, am I not experiencing my utopia? So if you allowed others to do what they need to find peace then we might be able to reach Utopia. I think saying we all need to agree is unrealistic at best. Maybe we can agree to disagree...

10.How can r society eliminate XENOPHOBIA?

Getting rid of the fear of the unknown?

11.7 days of music, peace, and love — and then back 2 the “real world”… How real is the “real world”?

Come stay with me for a month and I will show you my world. It's beautiful.

12.What is the difference between AGREEMENT and HARMONY?

Tolerance. Patience. Understanding. Also prince signed an agreement with Warner Bros, was there harmony?
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Reply #41 posted 07/11/02 9:42pm

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Did u get a small case of “post-Celebration blues” when the event ended — and Y?

Au contraire, since Prince doesn't feel like touring europe anymore, i'm waiting in anticipation the bootleggs of the per4mances, some were quite good i heard.

Y do people of all backgrounds get along at Paisley Park, and not elsewhere?
I'm presuming this question did not include the little man himself, since he seem 2 have beef with about half of the people he worked with in that place.
Lets c, if u xclude alcohol and sigarettes, u charge big membership and big ticket prices, u'r eliminating most of the scum. Btw, i read several complaints about line picking and stuff, so it went smooth, but could've been smoother

In actuality, what r BORDERS? And y r they erased when the Funk drops?
Borders can b created to increase stability, 4 protection, 4 order, ... They can also b created 4 xclusion, hostility, egoism. 4xample when u charge xcessif ticket prices, u'r creating a border between rich and poor, when u support 1 religion u'r creating borders between believers and non believers. Borders should b erased when the funk drops bcause wealth, opinions, origins, ... should no longer matter, only the music should. Can i stress 'should'?

The Celebration proved that people from various backgrounds can party 2gether — but will we ever b able 2 worship in Truth 2gether?
The only truth is there is no truth and the only worshipping that should take place is the worshipping of each individuals freedom 2 blieve and support there own, by definition wrong, truth.


Many say that one’s own relationship with God is a “personal thing.” That being said, how would that work next 2: “A family that prays 2gether stays 2gether.”? Just how big is r human family?
God is like u'r favorite football team: there r many teams, and everybody can choose which team he or she supports, or not 2 support a team, or 2 think football is stupid, or 2 play a little football on u'r own without watching the big boys play. Fact is, if everybody supports the same team, everybody will get along. But since it's impossible 2 tell wich team will win in the end, and all individuals have different reasons 2 support one, or no team, this is unlikely. There4 the only thing what will keep the family 2gether is the freedom 2 b a football fan or not, and the respect 4 the choices of the other family members.


2 say “Amen” at the end of a prayer simply means that u agree with the prayer. If someone had closed the Celebration in prayer, would u have bowed ur head and simply made up ur own prayer in ur mind?
If a prayer is a converation with whatever god u want, i'd been pretty pissed cause i was there 2 xperience the funk and not the creation of borders. If a prayer is an individual, contemplative moment, i wouldn't have mind, but then again, nobody should do that 4 me.

What point is there 2 pray 2 different Gods if there is only one?
What point is there 2 pray 2 one god when there r different? What point is there 2 pray to a god when there is non? What point is there in asking suggestive questions about something u, i or anybody that is know shit about. When the final judgement comes (if there is such a freaky thing in the first place), u'd think the Big Dude (Dudes, Dudess, ...) would prefer u were tolerant 2 all men and his beliefs, or that u forced one (very possibly wrong) selfish opinion on2 everybody?


We hear talk of separation of God and State… State of What? Mind? R the efforts made by certain members of society 2 remove God from State a sign of progress or regress?
State ... as in organised society ... as in respecting other peoples freedom ... as in allowing condoms or divorce ... as in allowing woman 2 b equal 2 men ... as in freedom of speech, thought ... as in democracy mayb. But mayb some would consider this regress...


Y have all of mankind’s attempts at creating UTOPIA 4 itself failed so far?
Bcause there is no such thing, there's only our miserable short lived xistence as i peace of dust floating around. And instead of making this an as pleasant xperience as it could b, some just can't handle it and ruine the fun by trying 2 give it all a deeper or bigger meaning.

How can r society eliminate XENOPHOBIA?
Honestly? worldwide communism. But no human is as honest or compassionate 2 make that work, so lets stick 2 elimination of fear, acting 4 the best of all, not only u'rself, 4giving the past, understanding mistakes, and since this is a top-down society, this should b a top down process. Trying 2 understand without beeing understood is important.

7 days of music, peace, and love — and then back 2 the “real world”… How real is the “real world”?
Actually there is some music, peace and love in the real world also. Sadly there is not enough of it. But when u put the 3 2gether, shouldn't u try to protest in the music against what prevents peace and love in the real world. Or at least ignore it, bcause it takes away the magic of the music

What is the difference between AGREEMENT and HARMONY?
2 me, harmony cannot xcist without some very basic level of agreement. People should b able 2 agree on the right to disagree. People should als agree on some very basic freedoms, and support these freedoms as more important than their individual opinions.
"It's better 2 B hated 4 what U R than 2 B loved 4 what U R not."

My IQ is 139, what's yours?
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Reply #42 posted 07/11/02 9:49pm

Clubkid

The Anarchist Children... RISE!
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Reply #43 posted 07/11/02 11:41pm

XxAxX

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(sorry fellow ORGers, cross post alert. i'm actually hoping the NPGMC will read these responses)

1. Did u get a small case of “post-Celebration blues” when the event ended - and Y?

no, not really.

2. Y do people of all backgrounds get along at Paisley Park, and not elsewhere?

this question contains three false statements. first, not all people get along at paisley park. i have personally witnessed hostile altercations between fans at paisley park on more than one occasion. second, there are other places in the world where people of all backgrounds get along. third, those gathered for the celebration were not ‘of all backgrounds’, in fact they were demographically similar in that they were all: 1) devoted fans of prince, 2) economically able to afford, travel, membership and pass costs, 3) mostly from north america.

3. In actuality, what r BORDERS? And y r they erased when the Funk drops?

borders are abstract and physical demarcations which separate and help to define ideas and things. they are not 'erased' when the funk drops, they simply become less important for the duration of the funk.

4. The Celebration proved that people from various backgrounds can party 2gether - but will we ever b able 2 worship in Truth 2gether?

first, define ‘truth’. then tell me why it would be desirable for all people to ‘worship in truth together’. in my opinion, diversity is good. to answer your question, no we will never be able to worship together because this world is filled with many people who adhere to different religious beliefs. no one religious belief is any more valid than another.

5 Many say that one’s own relationship with God is a “personal thing.” That being said, how would that work next 2: “A family that prays 2gether stays 2gether.”? Just how big is r human family?

my personal experience has taught me that families who pray together do not always stay together. my ‘human family’ includes all human beings.

6. 2 say “Amen” at the end of a prayer simply means that u agree with the prayer. If someone had closed the Celebration in prayer, would u have bowed ur head and simply made up ur own prayer in ur mind?

prince DID close the celebration in prayer and that is one part of the reason why i left early. generally, however, when i am the guest of those who adhere to a religious belief which differs from my own beliefs i respectfully remain silent when others say ‘amen’.

7. What point is there 2 pray 2 different Gods if there is only one?

the wording of this question is flawed. most individual people simply pray according to their own belief system, they do not ‘pray 2 different gods’. furthermore, to reverse your question: what point is there to pray to one god if there are many individuals with differing beliefs regarding god? what point is there to pray to one god if there are many individuals who do not even believe that god exists? there are as many interpretations of the concept of ‘god’ as there are individuals in the world. i am able to live harmoniously with individuals who have different religious beliefs from my own because i respect their right and their freedom to believe and to worship as they choose. the only time i have a problem with another person’s religious viewpoint, even when it is different from my own viewpoint, is when that person attempts to force their belief system on me.

8. We hear talk of separation of God and State… State of What? Mind? R the efforts made by certain members of society 2 remove God from State a sign of progress or regress?

it is talk of ‘separation of church and state’ we hear about, not ‘separation of god and state’. the separation of the church (religion) and the state (government) is a fundamental element of the american nation. this country, america, was founded by people who understood that there are many religions. the founders of this country realized that individuals should have the right to freely worship according to their own belief systems. for example, the recent ninth circuit court of appeals decision (determining the wording of the american pledge of allegiance to be unconstitutional due to the inclusion of the phrase “under god”) was made in order to PROTECT an individual’s freedom and legal right to worship in his or her own way. there are many citizens of america who do not believe in 'god'. separation of the church and the state is a sign of an enlightened society and is therefore a sign of PROGRESS.

9. Y have all of mankind’s attempts at creating UTOPIA 4 itself failed so far?

utopia does not exist. in my opinion utopia is a state of mind. furthermore, one person's utopia' can be another person's hell.

10. How can r society eliminate XENOPHOBIA?

through education of society’s individual members. development of a society-wide understanding of the differences and similarities between different cultures and different nations can help promote respect and understanding, which help to eliminate fear of those who are different.

11. 7 days of music, peace, and love - and then back 2 the “real world”… How real is the “real world”?

this question is flawed. yes the celebration lasted for 7 days but it had moments of non-peace and non-love between those who attended it. there were those who fought with others over placement in line, seating, ill-behaved children, etc. in addition, i found the world at paisley park to be far less ‘reality based’ than any place i’ve been for a while. for example, in my opinion the notion of a ‘theocratic order' (as preached to the crowd by prince during one show) does not ring true in an american society wherein single mothers are commonplace (matriarchal society). i prefer the world outside of paisley park these days, as it seems more real to me.

12. What is the difference between AGREEMENT and HARMONY?

this question is flawed because it seeks to play a pointless semantic ‘word game’ of the sort which the NPGMC seems to enjoy. in the dictionary, harmony is literally defined as ‘agreement’. however, in my opinion, the word ‘harmony’ implies a complementary relationship between different elements, while ‘agreement’ implies concurrence, or conformity between similar elements.

now, it’s my turn.
when i joined the NPGMC i paid for access to prince’s music. i am interested in receiving updates about prince's music. yet, the questions posed by this questionnaire don't tell me anything about the music. these questions are, in fact, religious in nature. and not only are they religious in nature, they are oriented only toward the christian religion. hello? many members of the NPGMC do not even believe in any kind of christian god. NPGMC members have been asking for updates about NPGMC product for months now, and instead you give us this???!!! that’s madness.
i respect prince as a person and as an artist. i respect his freedom to choose any religious path he prefers, even if that is the path of the jehovah's witnesses, which i personally consider to be a cult. even so and with all due respect, i would prefer not to receive any more emails containing religious content from the NPGMC. thank you.
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Reply #44 posted 07/12/02 1:18am

Moonbeam

Wonderfully eloquent post, XxAxX! Our responses are nearly identical to certain questions!
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Reply #45 posted 07/12/02 1:20am

Moonbeam

I admire your courage, Berry!
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Reply #46 posted 07/12/02 2:20am

XxAxX

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thanx moonbeam redface
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Reply #47 posted 07/12/02 3:03am

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1. Did u get a small case of “post-Celebration blues” when the event ended — and Y?

I am currently "defunkitified". Until I see another concert or attend another Celebration, my "Defunkitis" will remain. I'm trying to make my own "cure" in the meantime by working on my music and listening to my CDs, particularly "Days of Wild" live in Montreal.

2. Y do people of all backgrounds get along at Paisley Park, and not elsewhere?

Prince, his music, and the messages he convey in his music bring people together because all that comes to one's mind is the pure enjoyment of real music and love4oneanother. Everything else is pushed aside. People can and should be able to get along in other places throughout the world, not just Paisley Park.

3. In actuality, what r BORDERS? And y r they erased when the Funk drops?

Borders are man-made fallacies used to create separation from our fellow siblings as well as to gain control of our siblings. It only makes sense that man can just as easily take borders away or even forget they exist. Funk can take one's mind off of borders, thus why they can drop from the scene.

4. The Celebration proved that people from various backgrounds can party 2gether — but will we ever b able 2 worship in Truth 2gether?

If we look deep enough, our underlying backgrounds are all the same. And yes, we can worship in Truth together when people decide to accept each others' way of being in the Truth, so long as their Truth leads down to the same "narrow path and small gate" that we are all suppose follow.

5.Many say that one’s own relationship with God is a “personal thing.” That being said, how would that work next 2: “A family that prays 2gether stays 2gether.”? Just how big is r human family?

People's conversations and ways in which we talk with God can be personal, but His influence and His relationship with us should be open for all to know and be welcomed to join. Thus, a family that prays and rejoices together could stay together with the bond being held together by God and love. At the same time, "together" doesn't necessarily have to mean "in the same room". "Together" at the heart is how a family can stay together forever. Our "human family" is the human race past, present, and future.

6. 2 say “Amen” at the end of a prayer simply means that u agree with the prayer. If someone had closed the Celebration in prayer, would u have bowed ur head and simply made up ur own prayer in ur mind?

Most likely I would not have made up my own prayer in my mind because I would expect that the prayer would be something that we should all be able to relate to in some or all perspectives, but I may have elaborated to it while it was being said. I would have bowed my head because that is how I show I am taking part in prayer.

7. What point is there 2 pray 2 different Gods if there is only one?

That is just it, there is no point. The one and only God hears all prayers, so why not direct all prayer to Him? It is like sending snail mail to various individuals (thinking that such would be more of a success) at the same firm with a jigsaw puzzle piece enclosed in each envelope, even though the instructions say to send them all to one particular person. Yet, all of the pieces will be end up being received and placed together by that one particular individual (who could have happened to be under many false aliases or the other addressees could have been fired) who was supposed to have received them all in the first place. Simply, there is no use or need to pray to other gods because God hears all prayers and has told us He is the only one.

8.We hear talk of separation of God and State… State of What? Mind? R the efforts made by certain members of society 2 remove God from State a sign of progress or regress?

There is no real separation God and State, nor will there ever be. God can never be "removed" from anything. His name may be removed, His reference, but He is always present in all lives and foundations. Trying to remove His presence means people are attempting to distance themselves from their Father for whatever unfounded reasons. It would not be progress nor regress, but a form of unnecessary and unsuccessful distancing that is in actuality, not even occurring but in the false expectations of the ones seeking distance.

9.Y have all of mankind's attempts at creating UTOPIA 4 itself failed so far?

Because man, being imperfect, will fail when trying to create Utopia. Only God has created such. Being human is being imperfect and creating imperfections.

10. How can r society eliminate XENOPHOBIA?

Society must get rid of the man-made borders, must get rid of the stereotypes, must get rid of all of the hate, and must quit judging others, for judgment is not left for us to make. Society must learn to accept others and have pure love4oneanother.

11. 7 days of music, peace, and love — and then back 2 the “real world”… How real is the “real world”?

I wouldn't know how the "real world" is. I prefer to stay where I am.

12. What is the difference between AGREEMENT and HARMONY?

It is similar to the difference between a rectangle and a square. A square is a square and a rectangle, but a rectangle is just a rectangle and is not a square. Harmony is true agreement, but agreement is not always harmony. Harmony is a blissful agreement in an environment where God's presence is visible and recognized, while on the other hand, agreement can be harmony, or it can be a state where people simply "agree" with each other because no questions are being proposed or thoughts are being discussed. In harmony, one would never need to have questions or unrelated thoughts because all of the answers have already be provided and all thoughts are known to be true. An agreement can be temporary, while harmony is infinite.
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Reply #48 posted 07/12/02 3:20am

Moonbeam

Is it just me, or is it hilarious to read the answers to question 3, being that they are all so profound, but go into detail about borders being dropped or not "when the funk drops..."?
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Reply #49 posted 07/12/02 3:57am

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Reply #50 posted 07/12/02 4:54am

Moonbeam

Wonderfully worded replies, AzureStar!
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Reply #51 posted 07/12/02 5:06am

AzureStar

Moonbeam said:

Wonderfully worded replies, AzureStar!



Thanks, moonbeam. smile
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Reply #52 posted 07/12/02 5:12am

herbthe4

XXAXX, moonbeam, SquirrelMeat, SpcMs:

Wonderful. Your answers inspired more thought for me personally than the questions did.

Azurestar: There is no "right" religion, at least that I'm aware of.

God = peace, religion = war.

(edited after I read Azure's post)
[This message was edited Thu Jul 11 22:15:45 PDT 2002 by herbthe4]
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Reply #53 posted 07/12/02 5:18am

AzureStar

herbthe4 said:

Azurestar: There is no "right" religion, at least that I'm aware of.



Yes, I know. That's what I finally found, after years of struggling with the entire thing. smile
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Reply #54 posted 07/12/02 6:03am

purplecam

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Moonbeam said:

Here are my replies. Please share yours as well!

1. Did u get a small case of “post-Celebration blues” when the event ended — and Y?

Indeed, I did acquire a case of post-Celebration blues and it was anything but small. In fact, as a member of prince.org, I posted in great length about the feeling. More than anything, my post-Celebration blues stemmed from the fact that I had met so many wonderful people and had experienced such wonderful music. I was openly and warmly accepted and loved by people who days before were strangers. My post-Celebration blues are also symptomatic of the fact that I will be headed 1,700 miles from home in less than a month as I enter graduate school for statistics. That said, the Celebration for me symbolized much more than a week of concerts. It symbolized a celebration of youth, closeness and togetherness that I only hope to continue to exude in graduate school.

2. Y do people of all backgrounds get along at Paisley Park, and not elsewhere?

It is misrepresentative to suggest that those present during the Celebration represent the backgrounds and interests of the world as a whole. The Celebration fee of $250, the location within the United States and the requirement of Internet access precludes the inclusion of a large constituency of people. Regardless, the fact that Prince has in large part promoted racial and socioeconomic unity and that those in attendance were there to see Prince indicates that most of them agree with his messages. That being said, most of the people present came to the Celebration with open minds and hearts.

3. In actuality, what r BORDERS? And y r they erased when the Funk drops?

Borders are phenomena that separate two distinct bodies, whether they be nations, social classes, or other classifications. In essence, their existence indicates the presence of differences. Borders are erased “when the funk drops” simply because the essence of borders lies in their separatist nature, but the music enjoyed at the Celebration was a shared experience.

4. The Celebration proved that people from various backgrounds can party 2gether — but will we ever b able 2 worship in Truth 2gether?

This depends on how “we” is defined. Given that fans of Prince are a diverse crowd, there are a multitude of differing backgrounds, belief systems, and ages represented. Given that everyone is on a unique spiritual path, distinguished by past experiences, present circumstances and future hopes, it is unlikely that all fans of Prince are in the same boat spiritually. Furthermore, the message of Christ clamored for INCLUSION rather than EXCLUSION and all those who are not of similar belief system to the one represented in the worship WILL FEEL EXCLUDED. Regardless, Prince may proceed as he feels is right to him, although organizing a time of worship, although it would not alienate me as a Christian, would inherently alienate those of different practices.

5. Many say that one’s own relationship with God is a “personal thing.” That being said, how would that work next 2: “A family that prays 2gether stays 2gether.”? Just how big is r human family?

I like to liken the dual nature of spirituality- individual and collective, to the dual role of cells in the body. Cells are individuals that carry on a number of processes within the realm of the cell. However, cells also serve a greater purpose in the context of the body. Similarly, people are each unique individuals with unique relationships with God. However, people also usually belong to a certain group or “family.” Families who pray together are unified both spiritually and emotionally. God’s ideal “church” includes billions of people coming together as one family. As far as the term “family,” it may in such a manner be extended from the biological standpoint. That being said, the human family is populated by every living human being.

6. 2 say “Amen” at the end of a prayer simply means that u agree with the prayer. If someone had closed the Celebration in prayer, would u have bowed ur head and simply made up ur own prayer in ur mind?

Personally, I would have felt perfectly comfortable with a prayer, being a Christian myself. I would have prayed for the safety and well-being of all those present.

7. What point is there 2 pray 2 different Gods if there is only one?

While this is debatable to many who hold polytheistic beliefs, I believe that there is only one God. One of the topics emphasized during the Celebration was the name of God. However, even Jesus referred to God with different names, so the semantics of determining His name are irrelevant to me. As many said, God is inside all of us. It is my belief that God has left his imprint in every living creature and has blessed us all with a unique set of gifts and abilities.

8. We hear talk of separation of God and State… State of What? Mind? R the efforts made by certain members of society 2 remove God from State a sign of progress or regress?

While I am happy to admit to being a Christian, I understand the need for everyone to feel included. Our nation was founded upon the principles of religious freedom by individuals who fled religious persecution. Regardless, our nation’s history indicates that the sentiment of freedom has not been shared by all residents (Salem witch trials, the equating of atheists and communists in the 1950s, etc.). Our country has never been united under a single God and although personally I would love it to be that way, the fact is that we must not deny the God-given right that every individual has to free will. Just as Adam and Eve were granted free will to eat the fruits of the Tree of Knowledge, we must comply with his wishes and grant citizens free will to religion, thus deeming separation of church and state necessary. Forcing citizens to revere Christianity as their own religion would be a REGRESSION and would indicate that we have not learned anything from the reprehensible subjection of the Natives of Mexico and the rest of Latin America to the Catholicism imposed upon them by the Spanish conquistadors. FORCING INDIVIDUALS TO CONFORM TO ANY SET OF BELIEFS IS AGAINST GOD’S WILL. As a Christian (follower of Christ), I am called to lead by EXAMPLE, not by force. Certainly, I may be used as an instrument of God to teach (by example) the benefits of a Christian lifestyle. However, intervening with God’s plan by imposing a set of beliefs on someone is only a DETERRENT. The seeds of Christianity are watered by the Gospel, but planted by example.

9. Y have all of mankind’s attempts at creating UTOPIA 4 itself failed so far?

All of mankind’s attempts at creating Utopia have been exclusionary by nature and consequently contradict the very nature of a Utopian state. In a truly Utopian place (Heaven), NO ONE is excluded and ALL are CONCURRENTLY following the same path. The only successful attempt to create Utopia will be manifested by the Second Coming of Christ, and it is written that no man knows the hour of his arrival. Subsequently, I believe that the focus of the desire to improve the world inherent in attempts to create Utopia should be directed to good works, such as non-evangelical mission trips whereby the example of Christ is made apparent.

10. How can r society eliminate XENOPHOBIA?

Our society can eliminate Xenophobia by educating its people to not hold fear. Hatred and fear are learned characteristics and can be traced to the family model. Moreover, the plight of xenophobia is fortified by the very nature of our society. The United States was founded upon the principles of individualism, which quickly morphed into capitalism and other types of stratification. In essence, the various strata have been defined by those in power, and unwilling to relinquish this power, legislature was enacted to further stratify society by restricting women, blacks, Native Americans and immigrants. The stratification also yielded a lack of contact between various social groups. This lack of contact only led to a sense of familiarity and transformed into fear. Seeking the things we have in common rather than the things that separate us will result in a greater sense of familiarity and community. A revolution of the very principles upon which American society is founded is necessary to eliminate xenophobia, but it is a course of action that all Christians should deem necessary. Christ gave numerous examples of the holiness of sacrifice and as we are to emulate him, we should make efforts to sacrifice our own advantages in order to bridge the gap between the desperate and the comfortable.

11. 7 days of music, peace, and love — and then back 2 the “real world”… How real is the “real world”?

The world is VERY real. Pain, suffering, and woe are ubiquitous in society. However, what is deemed as the “real world” could benefit greatly from the sense of community and togetherness that was omnipresent at the Celebration.

12. What is the difference between AGREEMENT and HARMONY?

The difference between agreement and harmony lies in the fact that agreement implies sharing a similar viewpoint whereas harmony implies exuding a sense of togetherness and community. It IS possible for harmony to exist between groups of people who disagree. A Muslim and a Shinto are not going to fully agree about spirituality, but they still are capable of coming together to do good, by building homes for the homeless, for example. In my opinion, God should be the one concerned with achieving agreement among his people, whereas people should focus on achieving harmony, coming together for the common good of everyone.

Moonbeam,
Your post was probably one of the best posts I've read since coming to the org. Your answers were so on point (especially ques 8) and you inspired me to really live for God even more. Thanks.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #55 posted 07/12/02 6:07am

Moonbeam

purplecam said:

Moonbeam,
Your post was probably one of the best posts I've read since coming to the org. Your answers were so on point (especially ques 8) and you inspired me to really live for God even more. Thanks.


Wow...eek Thank you! It's inspiring me too! I've been kind of slacking lately!
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Reply #56 posted 07/12/02 7:56am

endorphin74

alright, it's the middle of the nite, so I'm sure I forgot half of what I wanted to say...but here's my answers:

1.Did u get a small case of “post-Celebration blues” when the event ended — and Y?

I did get a case of the blues. 90% of that stems from saying goodbye to people. I met many GREAT people once again this year. I also bonded extra tightly with a small group of these people and shared nearly the entire experience with this group. It was hard to have them leave and know that we may not see each other again for many months.

2.Y do people of all backgrounds get along at Paisley Park, and not elsewhere?

I do think people of all backgrounds can get along in many places. The key is to find a common denominator. For the Celebration, we had the link of Prince. All people were there to see him, so we all had a common point where connections could be started from. With that being said, I know of a number of people who did have problems with the celebration, so it wasn't a perfect world. I feel bad for those who had a negative experience. I didn't mainly because I chose to focus on the good and feel the love washing over me from all the new beautiful people I met.

3.In actuality, what r BORDERS? And y r they erased when the Funk drops?

Borders are imagined lines, drawn by people to seperate people. Borders cause tension, struggle and war. Borders are not 'real.' Music (funk) is real. It touches a primal spot in the human spirit and sets that in motion. In the environment of the celebration, the huge majority of people enjoyed the music (funk) and were able to forget about the man-made divisions which we accept as part of our daily reality.

4.The Celebration proved that people from various backgrounds can party 2gether — but will we ever b able 2 worship in Truth 2gether?

I partied HARD at the Celebration. I danced till I could dance no more, I yelled for joy, I wept in happiness, and I hugged and loved those around me constantly. This is my truth, this is my way to worship. The point of life to me is to enjoy each moment as much as possible, love those around me as much as possible and help, not hurt, others. I did this at the celebration and "worshipped" in truth.
Notice, please, I made no reference to a 'God'. I do believe in a higher spirit and energy that sustains life. By day 7, this force was keeping me on my feet and dancing. As I believe it was doing for the rest of those present. With this as my truth I feel we all did, in a way, worship together.

5.Many say that one’s own relationship with God is a “personal thing.” That being said, how would that work next 2: “A family that prays 2gether stays 2gether.”? Just how big is r human family?

Our human family is as big as we let it be. It grows each time a person decides to keep an open mind and love his/her neighbor, regardless of their differences.
I formed a family at the celebration. Our beliefs went from intensely spiritual christian to intensely rationale atheist. Some ate meat, some didn't. Some smoked, some didn't. The key was, we all respected each other enough that we saw past these differences to the beautiful souls inside and loved and accepted each other completely. With this respect and acceptance as our prayers, we were one tight group of love.

6.2 say “Amen” at the end of a prayer simply means that u agree with the prayer. If someone had closed the Celebration in prayer, would u have bowed ur head and simply made up ur own prayer in ur mind?

I honestly would've left the room, and did when moments got close to prayer. Out of respect for those who believed in that form of prayer, I thought that was for the best. Out of respect for me and my enjoyment of the nite, I chose to leave for that portion. If leaving isn't an option, I would bow my head out of respect, but not say 'amen.'
I believe spirituality is most true and powerful when explored and celebrated in a person's soul on their own. As the numbers grow it becomes more of an act and show than a true connection to the spiritual side, in my opinion.

I respect Prince's need to express himself about his convictions. I just wish he'd save it for a more appropriate time. There were "musician workshops" why not "spiritual workshops" during the day. That way those at the celebration who want to explore these religious issues could do so. Let the concerts continue to be an all inclusive celebration. If the song has spirtual tones, GREAT! Just please, let the music speak for itself at the shows on the deeper issues. Keep the speeches lighthearted and open.

7.What point is there 2 pray 2 different Gods if there is only one?

This type of pointed question is what bothers me about the RELIGION Prince is now speaking of. As a long term Prince fan, and a non-christian, I'm accustomed to references to God. In the past, though, it seemed more openminded and more spiritual. I still connected with the references and the music because I could apply it to my own thoughts about a higher power.
This question follows suit with the whole idea of the "We all need to agree on God's name" comments made during nites 6 and 7 by Prince. Spirituality is beautiful, enriching and life expanding. Religion is dangerous, inhibiting and limiting. It's a fine line. All too often once spiritual people lose sight of this and lose themselves in the dogma of a religion.

8.We hear talk of separation of God and State… State of What? Mind? R the efforts made by certain members of society 2 remove God from State a sign of progress or regress?

If you believe in a higher power, this belief will always at some level guide you at all times, regardless of your environment. If you do not this is a moot point. The beauty of the IDEA of freedom in America is that both types of people can exist side by side without forcing their beliefs on the other.

9.Y have all of mankind’s attempts at creating UTOPIA 4 itself failed so far?

Utopia is a subjective thing. Attempts to create Utopia fail because MANkind does it with a strict plan. All those who don't fit this plan don't belong. To be part of the Utopia you must change and become something you are not, which already has ruined the idea of Utopia.

10.How can r society eliminate XENOPHOBIA?

Through Agape, unconditional love. I mean true love. Not, "I love them (out of pity) even though they don't believe as I do and will face damnation if they don't change their ways."
Through truly embracing diversity in race, appearance, sexuality and spirituality. Through not giving into the human tendency to feel your choices, values and beliefs are superior to another's.

11.7 days of music, peace, and love — and then back 2 the “real world”… How real is the “real world”?

Unfortunately, too real for most of us. I for one am not indepenently wealthy, and have to work long and hard to be able to afford a week as uplifting as the celebration. Untill the veil of money falls, and people realize what a farce it is, we have no choice but to be in that "real world" for most of the year.
The key is to not get mired down and find ways to still live and love in spite of working your butt off day in and day out to provide for the basic needs of life.

12.What is the difference between AGREEMENT and HARMONY?
Agreement generally occurs issue by issue. Harmony occurs in totality.
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Reply #57 posted 07/12/02 8:30am

Moonbeam

You've left me stunned yet again, Darin. I love you so much, it hurts right now. You are too beautiful for words.
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Reply #58 posted 07/12/02 8:53am

Abrazo

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[This message was edited Sat Jul 13 17:28:48 PDT 2002 by Abrazo]
You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security.
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Reply #59 posted 07/12/02 9:02am

endorphin74

Moonbeam said:

You've left me stunned yet again, Darin. I love you so much, it hurts right now. You are too beautiful for words.


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You know the love is flowing right back at you, Ian, always and forever!
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