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Thread started 06/23/04 5:17am

toejam

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"Call My Name" video to be released on NPGMC

PP9 has put up a thread saying to "look for it online soon"
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Reply #1 posted 06/23/04 7:01am

lovemachine

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Are they going to charge for it? If so that would be a new low.
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Reply #2 posted 06/23/04 8:28am

Nothinbutjoy

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lovemachine said:

Are they going to charge for it? If so that would be a new low.


I was just thinking the SAME thing!
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Reply #3 posted 06/23/04 2:30pm

Anxiety

Nothinbutjoy said:

lovemachine said:

Are they going to charge for it? If so that would be a new low.


I was just thinking the SAME thing!


Yeah, but just think - you can look at it on your computer whenever you want! rolleyes
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Reply #4 posted 06/23/04 2:33pm

Haystack

Of course the NPGMC will charge for it.

Ripping fans off is what they do best.

But then again... If some people are sad enough to pay to watch a promotional video, they deserve to be ripped off.
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Reply #5 posted 06/23/04 3:01pm

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Since everything I've seen from people who have seen the video at a concert has been glowingly positive, I'll add my grumpy two cents. wink

I'd really like to know who the chick is in the vid playing the mallet keyboards (what's that thing called? I really should know) with the long blond hair.

Anyway, it's a pretty damn boring video, and personally I can't see it getting any more play than Musicology did....the Musicology video was far superior, IMO. But hey, whatever. So is the club seriously gonna charge for it? Heh.
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Reply #6 posted 06/23/04 4:33pm

PapaSmurf

They will charge. Fools will never learn.
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Reply #7 posted 06/23/04 8:16pm

Anxiety

*IF* they charge (and I don't think they will because I'm an idiot who believes hope springs eternal), I can really, truly see no reason to purchase such a thing when I can obviously just tape the sucker from TV for free (like I did with the Tavis "Reflection" performance, hmmm).
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Reply #8 posted 06/24/04 5:57pm

realm

Maybe I'm just a sucker but I have no time to sit around and wait to tape some promo video, I would much rather pay for it! It's like my dad used to say, you can go out hunting for hours to kill some deer or be at work, making good $ to buy good food, I'll opt to work the hours and pay for the things I like in life and also pay myself with investments.
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Reply #9 posted 06/25/04 6:01am

wyld1

realm said:

Maybe I'm just a sucker but I have no time to sit around and wait to tape some promo video, I would much rather pay for it! It's like my dad used to say, you can go out hunting for hours to kill some deer or be at work, making good $ to buy good food, I'll opt to work the hours and pay for the things I like in life and also pay myself with investments.


I'm with you realm. If they put up the video and I like it, I'll buy it. I have no problem paying for something that I want. I really don't get it that so many fans want stuff for free. Regardless of how much money Prince makes, it's not a crime to want to get paid for your work.

Bottom line is if you want it pay for it. If not, in this day and age, you can find it for free on the internet. So why complain and bash the NPGMC.
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Reply #10 posted 06/27/04 1:11pm

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wyld1 said:

If they put up the video and I like it, I'll buy it.



How would you know if you like the video before you buy it?
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Reply #11 posted 06/27/04 2:32pm

psykosoul

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wyld1 said:

If they put up the video and I like it, I'll buy it.



How would you know if you like the video before you buy it?


catch it on VH-1 or BET maybe? confuse
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Reply #12 posted 06/28/04 5:21pm

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Oh, okay. But if you already saw it on TV, why would you want to buy it on your computer? Wouldn't you just tape it off TV in that case?

I assumed wyld1 wouldn't catch it on TV first, in my hypothetical scenario. Whatevs. wink Either way, blah ditty blah blah. Is that video room still being remodeled? Ha.
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Reply #13 posted 06/28/04 10:25pm

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wyld1 said:

Bottom line is if you want it pay for it. If not, in this day and age, you can find it for free on the internet. So why complain and bash the NPGMC.


That's what we do here at the org: bash and complain...
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Reply #14 posted 06/29/04 6:38pm

theblueangel

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wyld1 said:

.... If not, in this day and age, you can find it for free on the internet....


IN THIS DAY AND AGE!!!!!



Sorry, that just struck me as hilarious.
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Reply #15 posted 06/30/04 5:13pm

Haystack

wyld1 said:

realm said:

Maybe I'm just a sucker but I have no time to sit around and wait to tape some promo video, I would much rather pay for it! It's like my dad used to say, you can go out hunting for hours to kill some deer or be at work, making good $ to buy good food, I'll opt to work the hours and pay for the things I like in life and also pay myself with investments.


I'm with you realm. If they put up the video and I like it, I'll buy it. I have no problem paying for something that I want. I really don't get it that so many fans want stuff for free. Regardless of how much money Prince makes, it's not a crime to want to get paid for your work.

Bottom line is if you want it pay for it. If not, in this day and age, you can find it for free on the internet. So why complain and bash the NPGMC.


Erm, aren't promotional videos just that - Promotional videos???

I'm sure Prince has gotten paid by Columbia for his efforts on the video and you can guarantee that he won't be out of pocket from it's existence. The idea of videos is that they're made to provide maximum potential for airplay for a song and therefore sell more copies of the album from whence the song came. The artist makes (lots of) money from the extra sales of the album promoted by the video.

I'd like to think that the NPGMC will provide this PROMOTIONAL video for free, as a way of promoting the album more and repaying customer loyalty (and on thinking about it, I'm sure they will). If they sell it, fair play to them for exploiting a market and bigger fool the people who pay for it. You will be paying for something that has already been paid for by Columbia.
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Reply #16 posted 07/01/04 4:17pm

lust

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Haystack said:

wyld1 said:



I'm with you realm. If they put up the video and I like it, I'll buy it. I have no problem paying for something that I want. I really don't get it that so many fans want stuff for free. Regardless of how much money Prince makes, it's not a crime to want to get paid for your work.

Bottom line is if you want it pay for it. If not, in this day and age, you can find it for free on the internet. So why complain and bash the NPGMC.


Erm, aren't promotional videos just that - Promotional videos???

I'm sure Prince has gotten paid by Columbia for his efforts on the video and you can guarantee that he won't be out of pocket from it's existence. The idea of videos is that they're made to provide maximum potential for airplay for a song and therefore sell more copies of the album from whence the song came. The artist makes (lots of) money from the extra sales of the album promoted by the video.

I'd like to think that the NPGMC will provide this PROMOTIONAL video for free, as a way of promoting the album more and repaying customer loyalty (and on thinking about it, I'm sure they will). If they sell it, fair play to them for exploiting a market and bigger fool the people who pay for it. You will be paying for something that has already been paid for by Columbia.


A valid point but does that aslo mean that the warners hits video collection should have been free, Did u buy it?
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Reply #17 posted 07/02/04 3:37pm

Haystack

lust said:

Haystack said:



Erm, aren't promotional videos just that - Promotional videos???

I'm sure Prince has gotten paid by Columbia for his efforts on the video and you can guarantee that he won't be out of pocket from it's existence. The idea of videos is that they're made to provide maximum potential for airplay for a song and therefore sell more copies of the album from whence the song came. The artist makes (lots of) money from the extra sales of the album promoted by the video.

I'd like to think that the NPGMC will provide this PROMOTIONAL video for free, as a way of promoting the album more and repaying customer loyalty (and on thinking about it, I'm sure they will). If they sell it, fair play to them for exploiting a market and bigger fool the people who pay for it. You will be paying for something that has already been paid for by Columbia.


A valid point but does that also mean that the warners hits video collection should have been free, Did u buy it?


Ah, but there's a big difference here. Warner's are a record company that are out purely to make money as Prince opined endlessly about for years during the 1990s. The Hits collection was a product created by Warners and was presented as a (not-as-good-as-it-could-be) retrospect of Prince's video work throughout the years. Therefore, it at least provided something that you felt was giving you value for money. You couldn't easily get those videos anywhere else and that made it a unique, desirable product to the more hardcore fan. Also, you had packaging and a physical object that made it more like something to treasure.

During my 'buy anything that Prince released' phase, like just about every other fan out there, I bought the Hits collection video. However, now I've grown up, I've learnt to appreciate when I'm being exploited as a customer. And I'm certainly not as enthusiastic about parting with my money and i probably wouldn't buy a similar product released today. To charge people to download a video that can easily be seen on some of the music channels right now is simply exploiting the most passionate fan.

I'm happy to buy as much new, previously unreleased studio music, live music and original video material that the NPGMC can throw at me. But if they're going to charge for stuff that's legitimately out there elsewhere for nothing (the 'Reflection' performance on the Tavis Smiley show springs to mind) Then I won't be buying it.

I seriously doubt that the Club will charge for this video should it appear on the site, but if it does... Well, as I say, hurrah for them for exploiting those stupid enough to pay for it.
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Reply #18 posted 07/02/04 4:28pm

wyld1

psykosoul said:

theblueangel said:




How would you know if you like the video before you buy it?


catch it on VH-1 or BET maybe? confuse


Thank you psykosoul.
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Reply #19 posted 07/02/04 4:36pm

wyld1

Haystack said:

lust said:



A valid point but does that also mean that the warners hits video collection should have been free, Did u buy it?


Ah, but there's a big difference here. Warner's are a record company that are out purely to make money as Prince opined endlessly about for years during the 1990s. The Hits collection was a product created by Warners and was presented as a (not-as-good-as-it-could-be) retrospect of Prince's video work throughout the years. Therefore, it at least provided something that you felt was giving you value for money. You couldn't easily get those videos anywhere else and that made it a unique, desirable product to the more hardcore fan. Also, you had packaging and a physical object that made it more like something to treasure.

During my 'buy anything that Prince released' phase, like just about every other fan out there, I bought the Hits collection video. However, now I've grown up, I've learnt to appreciate when I'm being exploited as a customer. And I'm certainly not as enthusiastic about parting with my money and i probably wouldn't buy a similar product released today. To charge people to download a video that can easily be seen on some of the music channels right now is simply exploiting the most passionate fan.

I'm happy to buy as much new, previously unreleased studio music, live music and original video material that the NPGMC can throw at me. But if they're going to charge for stuff that's legitimately out there elsewhere for nothing (the 'Reflection' performance on the Tavis Smiley show springs to mind) Then I won't be buying it.

I seriously doubt that the Club will charge for this video should it appear on the site, but if it does... Well, as I say, hurrah for them for exploiting those stupid enough to pay for it.


Ultimately, this is a capitalist society. You create a product, you have a right to sell it. If you've been loyal to microsoft, it would seem absurd to expect Bill Gates to offer the next version of windows for free. They do have $50 billion in cash in the bank.
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Reply #20 posted 07/02/04 6:17pm

Anxiety

To charge people to download a video that can easily be seen on some of the music channels right now is simply exploiting the most passionate fan.

I'm happy to buy as much new, previously unreleased studio music, live music and original video material that the NPGMC can throw at me. But if they're going to charge for stuff that's legitimately out there elsewhere for nothing (the 'Reflection' performance on the Tavis Smiley show springs to mind) Then I won't be buying it.


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Reply #21 posted 07/02/04 7:46pm

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lovemachine said:

Are they going to charge for it? If so that would be a new low.

great pic, lovemachine.
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Reply #22 posted 07/03/04 11:32am

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wyld1 said:

realm said:

Maybe I'm just a sucker but I have no time to sit around and wait to tape some promo video, I would much rather pay for it! It's like my dad used to say, you can go out hunting for hours to kill some deer or be at work, making good $ to buy good food, I'll opt to work the hours and pay for the things I like in life and also pay myself with investments.
I have no problem paying for something that I want. I really don't get it that so many fans want stuff for free. Regardless of how much money Prince makes, it's not a crime to want to get paid for your work.
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My problem with Prince is that he is totally willing to play the victim to Warner Bros. and all of the other "evil" corporations out there but he doesn't seem to realise he is exactly the same as them. He talks, sometimes it seems endlessly, about record labels ripping off their artists. Fair point, I'm sure most of them do. But he doesn't seem to mind ripping off his fans. He follows the eaxct model laid down by the "evil" record labels. If Prince is so concerned with artistic merit why doesn't he post all of his music, for free, on NPGMC? That way the greatest number of people will be able to appreciate how great he is. Now I know the above statement is a little stupid. Sure he needs to make money. We all do. But I honestly think that he could be giving his fans much more value for our money. And I also believe that he is a little too concerned with how much money he can make. What I am taking a long time to say is that I think Prince is more than a little hypocritical. Maybe I am wrong but as a fan I feel he is not doing near what he could for us.
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Reply #23 posted 07/06/04 6:48am

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rialb said:

wyld1 said:

I have no problem paying for something that I want. I really don't get it that so many fans want stuff for free. Regardless of how much money Prince makes, it's not a crime to want to get paid for your work.
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My problem with Prince is that he is totally willing to play the victim to Warner Bros. and all of the other "evil" corporations out there but he doesn't seem to realise he is exactly the same as them. He talks, sometimes it seems endlessly, about record labels ripping off their artists. Fair point, I'm sure most of them do. But he doesn't seem to mind ripping off his fans. He follows the eaxct model laid down by the "evil" record labels. If Prince is so concerned with artistic merit why doesn't he post all of his music, for free, on NPGMC? That way the greatest number of people will be able to appreciate how great he is. Now I know the above statement is a little stupid. Sure he needs to make money. We all do. But I honestly think that he could be giving his fans much more value for our money. And I also believe that he is a little too concerned with how much money he can make. What I am taking a long time to say is that I think Prince is more than a little hypocritical. Maybe I am wrong but as a fan I feel he is not doing near what he could for us.


I think it is safe to say that as long as people want something for nothing, this debate about the value of NPGMC will prevail.
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Reply #24 posted 07/06/04 3:33pm

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without us, the fool people, paying for it, how would you find it on the web then? vultures! wink
don't share npgmc stuff!
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