Whatever city you live in, I think we all agree that the Prince concert was the greatest single performance by a musician we have ever seen, or heard...
We want Prince to come back soon, maybe in the summer of 2004...
He makes the Rolling Stones and other so-called legends look anaemic...
He is in the vein of the great showmen like James Brown, but he can play instruments...
I also like how he paid respect to inferior legends like Chaka Khan and Stevie Wonder...
That means he feels secure inside himself to pay respect to the great traditions of Gospel, Motown, R&B...
Personally, thanks to Prince, am listening to a lot of P-Funk, Parliament, George Clinton, 30 yrs ahead of their time, using tape loops, distortion, etc, hope they tour Australia soon...We go off in the summer!
Also looking forward to the Black Eyed Peas tour, they were played in the DJ set before Prince appeared on stage...
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davidmelbourne said:

Prince plays and produces all instruments, the others can't... Wonder has not had a great hit since Master Blaster...
I Just Called to Say I Love You is sheer crap, like Happy Birthday, sentimental trash...I saw Wonder in LA and he is really stuffed up and has done nothing for 23 years since Hotter than July...

I see where u are coming from. Chaka Khan and Stevie Wonder are legends, but not inferior. Prince is just in a whole league of his own

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What a shame, as he is still one of my favourites.

davidmelbourne said:

Stevie Wonder an "inferior legend"? I like Prince, too, but you need to slow your fucking roll, my man.

But Prince has never released such trash like Happy Birthday, Called to say I love you, Ebony & Ivory garbage...Wonder likes to make a buck...he has not done anything for years...you cannot regain your credibility...No swearing pls...Prince would not approve man...
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davidmelbourne said:

I'm really unsure what this has to do with his recent appearance in Australia. Prince has long paid respect to these two people, and it's not as if he has suddenly discovered some 'inner security' allowing him to pay respect to great musical traditions (whatever that's supposed to mean).

Whatever people think about Prince, a stance (I can only recall one possible exception) he has long maintained is a healthy respect and admiration for other artists without making judgmental statements by way of comparison: for example, in 1988 when asked by fans if he thought he was better than Michael Jackson, he simply didn't see things in terms of 'better' or 'best'.

In paying respect to the music that Stevie Wonder and Chaka Khan (and other individuals) have written or performed, Prince at the very least has the sense and good grace not to damn them with faint praise by suggesting that they are in some sense inferior.

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It's great that Prince respects Stevie Wonder & Chaka Khan...Stevie has released some dreadful music over the years, Just Called to Say I Love You, Ebony & Ivory...Prince never did that, thus, Wonder is inferior... Chaka Khan has done nothing for 20 years, but was great with Rufus...The point I am making is Prince never sold out, he followed his vision, whereas the other two sold out and made commercial trash, so they are inferior. Prince pays respect to them, though, which shows his genius. Anyway, this is a Prince forum and we are not here to waste time to talk about the others. They can create their own forums, not here. I just said it was good Prince paid respect to them, but they are not worthy of comment in this space. In other words. lighten up, and get a life...Wonder was never a major superstar on the charts, or the dancefloor at clubs around the world, the way Prince was...
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davidmelbourne said:

How does one human being showing another human being respect - regardless of whether in your opinion (not Prince's opinion as far as we are aware) those people are 'inferior' - somehow make them a genius?



Very amusing.

I mistakenly thought it was called a discussion forum. I decided to discuss something with which I disagreed. You've stated your theory twice now. I understood first time around that you think Stevie Wonder and Chaka Khan are 'inferior' in at least one respect.

In my opinion, the greatest respect that Prince shows these artists is that:

1. He has shown them respect from his earliest recording days when Prince's musical achievements were unknown (he recorded a Rufus song very early in his career, he first met Khan in 1977, he's written songs for Khan and Wonder over the years, he's recorded some with Khan, and he's performed their songs on stage together with both of them).

2. He steadfastly does not make the trite comparisons that you continue to make regarding who was the biggest superstar on the charts or on the dancefloor or in your head.
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You seem to take this topic quite seriously. In passing, I just mentioned that Wonder & Khan were inferior, in so far as they have not achieved chart success in the way that Prince has. That's on the record, as plain as day...Stevie Wonder was great 30 years ago, but today he is a nothing, like Chaka Khan, so it was wonderful to see Prince pay respect to those forgotten people, because today, noone listens to them in terms of current music...Prince's humility is affecting...Imagine releasing a song called I Just Called to Say I Love You...S. Wonder sold out for money, but Prince never did..
This is a Prince forum, not one for Stevie Wonder...If you like Stevie Wonder, great, go somewhere else, and talk about it there, but you are wasting your time here...You will never convince me either way...Good luck and go somewhere else...Don't waste my time...Bye
Wonder & Khan are not worth spitting on compared to Prince...Remember dufus or rufus, this is a Prince forum...
Write it on your forehead to remember...
If you appreciate Stevie Wonder & Chaka Khan, well & good, but don't bore me...
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davidmelbourne said:

On the contrary. I'm highly entertained by your comments.


Have I heard this argument before somewhere? Ah yes. It;'s the one you've tried twice before: Wonder is inferior to Prince but Prince referred to him in concert etc. etc... I've read it and understood it several times now. Feel free to repeat it again if the urge takes you. I can't get enough of reading it.


Where did I say I like Stevie Wonder? I'm discussing Prince referring to Stevie Wonder and Chaka Khan on stage in concert and Prince's motivation behind this. I'm doing so because you mentioned it at the start of the discussion. That sounds perfectly reasonable to me. If you can't add anymore to this aspect of the discussion, then I'm sure the discussion will have run its course. I'm quite happy to continue if you have anything new or relevant to add.


Thanks for your good wishes but I'm perfectly happy where I am.


Funny, I thought you'd finished on this subject when you wished me farewell, but you can't let it go, can you?


Do I detect a smidgen of hostility creeping in, expressed in the form of crude sarcasm? Not to worry. I'm discussing Prince's motivation in referring to two people for whom he appears to have genuine admiration. I'm discussing it on a Prince-related forum of a website largely dedicated to the discussion matters relating to Prince.


I've never expressed my opinion of either Stevie Wonder or Chaka Khan on this thread, because I think it's irrelevant. I'm discussing Prince - in case you'd forgotten, it's a Prince forum ... quick tip I read recently - write it on your forehead.

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Davidmelbourne. I am one of the biggest defenders of Prince's non- selling out and creative abilities. There is no comparison. But you cant say he hasnt released trash. Have you forgotten about-Betcha By Golly Wow, Arms of Orion, Grafitti Bridge,Sweet Baby etc... I agree he is a superior musician, however lets not forget about these gems.