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Thread started 02/28/14 4:41am

Kudra23

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Anyone else a convert to Hit and Run Philosphy

When the london gigs were happening and all this talk about queuing for hours I just didnt get it. I wanted the security of ticket in my hand. It didnt same fair to those who couldnt drop everything and run.

When Manchester gigs seemed to change to online sales I was gutted the approach had then changed and that I'd 'missed out'

But manchester could not have coped with only door sales in Manchester as the queue would have been way too long back into town.

However there were tickets on the door for those prepared to wait and I did get to see him twice with face value tickets.

Overall it feels like the tickets went (mainly) to dedicated fans who were prepared to give time rather than money?

Is this the right way afterall?!?

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Reply #1 posted 02/28/14 6:01am

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I can't say if it's the right or wrong way but it's ok with me. I rolled with it and had a great time at the two gigs I went to. And for only £20.

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Reply #2 posted 02/28/14 7:18am

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I loved the queuing philosophy although KOKO was the only gig that this was really feasible for as a non-Londoner because he gave us a bit of notice. What it did was,on the whole,mean that you could do whatever it took to get there.

As I've said I got there at 7am after starting out at 3:30 and queued for 11 hours....but for me after this is where it fell down.

If you're going to get people to queue all day then they need to know :

a) how much it's going to cost (they could easily have turned around and sai '£200' as we were walking through the door.

B) they need to have the balls to say 'sorry venues going to be full now' and stop queues because all that does is increase the temptation to squeeze more shows out of the evening and as the EB and KOKO shows proved, those who wait the longest get the shortest show (still miffed at the bare bones set of the first show at KOKO and the fact it only lasted 90 minutes because people refused to leave after it initially ended after approximately. 75 mins(?) ).I don't know how you can charge everyone £70 and knowingly give the 2nd show twice as much as you gave the first show.

48hrs notice, queue up, 1 full show....then I'm there
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Reply #3 posted 02/28/14 7:25am

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I initially hated that it was like this as the people outside of London who work and couldn't just drop everything on the off chance to que for a maybe show seemed unfair.

What I liked tho was how they changed things after feedback from the fans, I thought the way they did manchester was genius, giving security of tickets to those that needed it in a hit and run style and the option to que for those who did miss the tickets. This suited me much better as I'm disabled and there is absolutely no way I could que for that amount of time....
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Reply #4 posted 02/28/14 8:47am

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I like the spontaneity of it...in a media controlled world where everything has to be in neat boxes, this sort of semi-chaotic, go with the flow attitude is a breath of fresh air!

However...

From a purely selfish point of view, Hit 'n' Run didn't work for me. If I could log on, buy a guaranteed ticket, then get on with my week safe in the knowledge I had a spot at the gig, that would have been perfect. If I wanted to enjoy the queuing thing and get down the front I could get to the gig early...if not, turn up whenever, so best of both worlds. And the thing that really spoils a gig for me is rude members of the public, and with all the pushing and shoving in chaotic queues, the Hit 'n' Run tour seemed to attract a bigger number of a*seholes than normal, and that's a massive downer for me confused

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Reply #5 posted 02/28/14 9:11am

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Yes they did appear to change it for the fans but as someone who missed out on the security of the ticket I was hacked off about the change to start with.
It felt like with a little more communication (ID needed for advance sales to deter touts) and not changing their minds halfway through (second shows on/off a prime example) then less people would have felt frustrated and it would have been even more sucessfull..

...But that does go against the spontaneity of it all.
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Reply #6 posted 03/01/14 12:17am

jaypotton

Not for me (selfishly) as I want tickets. HOWEVER, what *I* want is a return of the NPGMC type thing to provide REAL fans with chance for advance ticket sale (happy to be restricted to just 1 or 2 tix per person to stop touts/scalpers becoming members - can also restrict by credit card number and dellivery address - or have "collect on door with ID").

Been said loads but only the really really hardcore were prepared to drop everything and spend the day queueing (most loyal fans are in lates 30s/40s and have responsibilities preventing this).

That also meant there were plenty of casual observers at the gigs (maybe that was intentional and there is nothing wrong with trying to get new fans).

'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
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Reply #7 posted 03/01/14 2:57am

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jaypotton said:

Not for me (selfishly) as I want tickets. HOWEVER, what *I* want is a return of the NPGMC type thing to provide REAL fans with chance for advance ticket sale (happy to be restricted to just 1 or 2 tix per person to stop touts/scalpers becoming members - can also restrict by credit card number and dellivery address - or have "collect on door with ID").

Been said loads but only the really really hardcore were prepared to drop everything and spend the day queueing (most loyal fans are in lates 30s/40s and have responsibilities preventing this).

That also meant there were plenty of casual observers at the gigs (maybe that was intentional and there is nothing wrong with trying to get new fans).



...unless of course the NPGMC can't find your login details just as your about to get tickets and, when it does finally let you in, they're all sold out
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Reply #8 posted 03/01/14 3:11am

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when the npgmc was there people were complaining about whatever and that was a reason to stop it all...so i guess we did it ourselves...i only joined that club for presale tickets and that went perfect. I didnt and still do not care about any new releases.....

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Reply #9 posted 03/01/14 11:06am

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Queued once, couldn't be arsed to do it again, maybe in the summer.

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Reply #10 posted 03/02/14 5:50am

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Kudra23 said:

Is this the right way afterall?!?

Weird logic.

It's 2014. Not 1994 or 1984.

If he cannot think of something different to fix the scalping issue, if he has to do shows on a whim, and then stop doing shows on a whim, then yes.

But if people have lives, if at least people do other stuff in their time, if there are different ways of shutting out scalpers, then he needs to think ahead a tiny bit more.

He appears to have no release date for his album.

The one he celebrated the release of with the shows in London.

This means he doesn't even plan for his core business. (not the core money maker perhaps, but the making of records is the core of the process)

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #11 posted 03/02/14 1:19pm

EuanH91

Nope. Not at all. It's great for building excitement, hype and media coverage, but completely impractical for almost everyone for all the reasons already said.

If he did every single tour like this, a huge majority of his fanbase would never get to go to a show due to commitments. It's okay as a 'one off' or a special run of promotional shows, but I wouldn't say it's the 'right way' to do it.

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Reply #12 posted 03/02/14 2:11pm

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No. Found it stressful and unsatisfying. Looked back on 21 Nights as a blissful Valhalla compared with this exhausting, irritating and frustrating circus.

And yes - all those column inches in UK papers, and where's the album this was meant to promote? I can sense P pulling defeat from the jaws of triumph yet again.

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Reply #13 posted 03/02/14 3:39pm

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I was going to say I am too old to stand in line any more, but I just got screwed by LiveNation out of Springsteen tickets, so maybe I would stand in line for Prince, LOL.

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Reply #14 posted 03/03/14 9:46am

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It was an UTTER FARCE !!!

great shows but if you can extract the excitement and enjoyment of the show itself, the whole guerilla thing was/is completely farcical !!

People travelling from all over at no notice....just on the hope that a gig would be announced for that day;

queueing for hours upon hours in cold and rain....not knowing for sure if you'd get in or not;

2nd shows announced in the evening so less queuing for those who might attend the 2nd show and pssibly a truncated 1st show for those who have queued for 8+hrs;

Manchester tickets on sale with no notice....whilst P was appearing at the Brits so many put down their phones & laptops for 30 mins to see him...too late;

limited tickets available on the door at Manchester leading many to believe that unless you could be there to queue early in the morning they'd all be gone;

2nd show farce at Manchester - leading to £35 for an encore and negative "fails to sell out" press. No good (for those "£35 encore fans" if you can't make it the following night's gig !

Brilliant shows for those who managed to attend and great to see P in such happy and fine form!

So many fans (and none of us have a "right" to a ticket no matter how long we've been a fan nor how many concerts we've been to over the decades) just had NO chance of seeing him...and that's a BIG shame and I don't think it's a good system primarily for that reason. People should have a chance to get a ticket - this hit n run "philosophy" took that chance away from many loyal, hardcore fans. He's 55 and not performed (other than 1 off Hop Farm) in the UK for 7yrs before these shows....how many more (non) chances are fans gonna get to see him ???

I queued for hours and was lucky enough to get in and the memories of the gig remain foremost. There was some banter in the queue too. But, take away the buzz of seeing Prince live, the system itself ? Really ? Is this really they way it should be done ? NO - UTTER FARCE !

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Reply #15 posted 03/03/14 10:38am

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FunkDr said:

It was an UTTER FARCE !!!



great shows but if you can extract the excitement and enjoyment of the show itself, the whole guerilla thing was/is completely farcical !!



People travelling from all over at no notice....just on the hope that a gig would be announced for that day;



queueing for hours upon hours in cold and rain....not knowing for sure if you'd get in or not;



2nd shows announced in the evening so less queuing for those who might attend the 2nd show and pssibly a truncated 1st show for those who have queued for 8+hrs;



Manchester tickets on sale with no notice....whilst P was appearing at the Brits so many put down their phones & laptops for 30 mins to see him...too late;



limited tickets available on the door at Manchester leading many to believe that unless you could be there to queue early in the morning they'd all be gone;



2nd show farce at Manchester - leading to £35 for an encore and negative "fails to sell out" press. No good (for those "£35 encore fans" if you can't make it the following night's gig !



Brilliant shows for those who managed to attend and great to see P in such happy and fine form!



So many fans (and none of us have a "right" to a ticket no matter how long we've been a fan nor how many concerts we've been to over the decades) just had NO chance of seeing him...and that's a BIG shame and I don't think it's a good system primarily for that reason. People should have a chance to get a ticket - this hit n run "philosophy" took that chance away from many loyal, hardcore fans. He's 55 and not performed (other than 1 off Hop Farm) in the UK for 7yrs before these shows....how many more (non) chances are fans gonna get to see him ???



I queued for hours and was lucky enough to get in and the memories of the gig remain foremost. There was some banter in the queue too. But, take away the buzz of seeing Prince live, the system itself ? Really ? Is this really they way it should be done ? NO - UTTER FARCE !



That was the only downside for me experiencing the below-average first KOKO show for £75 and 11 queuing. It pisses me off whenever I see the Manchester clips that there's more energy in those short clips than there was in that entire KOKO show. It doubly pisses me off when you see people who say "ah I was wandering by and had nothing better to do so joined the queue just before the second show"...and they get rewarded with a 2.5-3hr show yet the first show was over after 80 minutes and only got 10 minutes longer/2 quick sampler songs because people booed and refused to leave and the guy resetting the stage couldn't control the situation so Prince had no choice
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Reply #16 posted 03/04/14 2:08am

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I really enjoyed these gigs, and the last minute aspect too. It reminded of running around London after a main show looking for the aftershow back in the day. It created a buzz, which made you feel even more fortunate if you made it in biggrin

On the pricing and last minute changes, I get that people wanted all gigs to be £10, but is that really likely? What major act of Prince's stature and heritage charges less that £70 for a ticket...and in such small and intimate settings?

Ticket presales would have been great, but look at what happened with seatwave and the rest, tickets going for between £200 and £1000! There has to be a better way, maybe selling the tickets earlier to people in the queue and policing that queue properly??




The last minute changes with second shows announced must have been hard to take if you went to the earlier gig which was shorter. But did you not enjoy the show you saw??



I missed SBE and was gutted because the playlist was so good. I queued (too late) and missed both shows at Kings Place, despite being in the queue for about 3 hours! Prince acoustic...argh!



It's easy to feel you missed the 'better' show, but I haven't heard or read anyone say that Prince and the band weren't on form at the shorter shows? So surely it's better to reflect on the show that you did get in to see?



The real letdowns were the complete lack of security to stop people pushing in, getting drunk, high and/or aggressive. Some people really needed sorting out, and leaving that to the crowd was a recipie for disaster. I almost left at Ronnie Scotts after hours in the queue, it was depressing. Very glad I stayed, but really could have done with out the unnecessary agro.



What made up for it was the great atmosphere in anticipation and some really great fans, having a chat about Prince and everything in between, sharing in the madness of being blown all over the place and rained on...mental, but fun. I said it loads of times, but I wouldn't do that for any other act, Prince is more than worth it, and these performances whatever the duration were to me, some of his best. Great raw energy, delivery and being so close...just great cool



Am really hoping he's back soon, in whatever format cool

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Reply #17 posted 03/04/14 3:29am

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i loved it but probably wouldn't be saying that if i hadn't got in lol i think it was an interesting social experiment at least & a big fuck you to the touts & the middle men

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Reply #18 posted 03/04/14 3:34am

Ppenguin

unkleg said:

I really enjoyed these gigs, and the last minute aspect too. It reminded of running around London after a main show looking for the aftershow back in the day. It created a buzz, which made you feel even more fortunate if you made it in biggrin




On the pricing and last minute changes, I get that people wanted all gigs to be £10, but is that really likely? What major act of Prince's stature and heritage charges less that £70 for a ticket...and in such small and intimate settings?




Ticket presales would have been great, but look at what happened with seatwave and the rest, tickets going for between £200 and £1000! There has to be a better way, maybe selling the tickets earlier to people in the queue and policing that queue properly??







The last minute changes with second shows announced must have been hard to take if you went to the earlier gig which was shorter. But did you not enjoy the show you saw??






I missed SBE and was gutted because the playlist was so good. I queued (too late) and missed both shows at Kings Place, despite being in the queue for about 3 hours! Prince acoustic...argh!






It's easy to feel you missed the 'better' show, but I haven't heard or read anyone say that Prince and the band weren't on form at the shorter shows? So surely it's better to reflect on the show that you did get in to see?






The real letdowns were the complete lack of security to stop people pushing in, getting drunk, high and/or aggressive. Some people really needed sorting out, and leaving that to the crowd was a recipie for disaster. I almost left at Ronnie Scotts after hours in the queue, it was depressing. Very glad I stayed, but really could have done with out the unnecessary agro.






What made up for it was the great atmosphere in anticipation and some really great fans, having a chat about Prince and everything in between, sharing in the madness of being blown all over the place and rained on...mental, but fun. I said it loads of times, but I wouldn't do that for any other act, Prince is more than worth it, and these performances whatever the duration were to me, some of his best. Great raw energy, delivery and being so close...just great cool






Am really hoping he's back soon, in whatever format cool




I think £70 was probably fair for most of the shows although I'm not sure what legitimate reason there is for telling people they need cash but not saying how much until you are literally being show into the venue....apart from maybe making sure people queue long enough that they won't say "£70...I'm not even going to queue). I think the disheartening thing about the first KOKO show was that, on every tour/show, there is a spine of songs that all shows contain before he adds other songs - the foundation/bare bones of every show. the first KOKO show was that spine if songs only. I know you should perhaps be grateful and not compare to EVERYOTHER show on the tour but it's difficult after 11 hours of queuing to know that you've just witnessed the shortest show (unusually short) and those people who just rocked up a few hours before doors get virtually twice the show.i think it says something that he tried to end the show after 80 minutes and people booed until he came back on to rescue the floundering stage hand who was trying to get us to leave. personally I think the 6pm doors were too warm for Prince, he wasn't in the mood at that time and we suffered
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Reply #19 posted 03/10/14 11:37am

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no.

It's ultimately dissapointing and frustrating for the majority of fans.

Great gigs (mostly) for the small number of fans who get in. But that's not good business sense unless its just a PR media tour, like this one in London.

It was just about newspapers and media. It won't sell many albums though I'm afraid.

Large gigs and venues ensure that a lot of albums are bought, everyone clambering to hear the new material before hearing it live.

Personally I thought the H&R "tour" of london was shit. I wasn't terribly enamoured with the performces either from the boots I've heard. Not sure the 3EG band sound is one I like for more than a few tracks.

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Reply #20 posted 03/13/14 7:16pm

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no I hate it myself and aas much as I want to see the 3rd eye girl show I cant do the 24-48 hour notice thing. Its just not possible for me. I have a family and run my own business and I just cant leave on the drop of a dime so I hope he does a more planned conventional dates tour. I can't complain though as I have seen him 23 times now so if I don't see him again I am ok as I have seen him enough(but I REALLY want to see this show!!) I have not been this excited about one of his tours since the Rainbow Children tour!! These 3rdeyegirl setlists are pretty good overall!!. Still has some filler material in there like the sampler set but there is some good stuff in the rest. It seems like since 2004 hes been playing the same show for 10 years(minus a show here and there like Montreaux, Coachella, etc). This is an exiciting tour for once but he is making it impossible for us to see it!! By the time we even find out about it the show is announced and tickets are gone. C'mon Prince!! Play some bigger venues and gives us more time, and BLOW US AWAY with an incredible rock show!! Liv should open also. It just makes too much sense so I know it won't happen. Prince likes to do what makes no sense.

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