So let me get this straight £10 = 16.31 US Dollars for a Prince concert in London, England. Prince concerts in the USA $250.00 in 2013. Hmmmmmm interesting. Welcome To America, Prince Fans. Let the games begin.

3NineteeN04 said:

So let me get this straight £10 = 16.31 US Dollars for a Prince concert in London, England. Prince concerts in the USA $250.00 in 2013. Hmmmmmm interesting. Welcome To America, Prince Fans. Let the games begin.

I was at the gig tonight. I was surprised it was £10. He barely covered his costs. Absolute bargain!

huh

He loves us more. We understand him.

Yep, U.S. fans get charged a lot for Prince concerts. London fans are lucky that they get to see a Prince concert in a small venue for under 20 U.S. dollars. Take advantage of that folks while you can.

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also a great way for him to create some buzz............."hey, I'm here", etc.

Thank you for pointing out it's London, England lest we somehow confuse it with London, Ohio. Can't understand why people think Americans are insular

Philly76 said:

I rather pay 200 bucks and can come to the show minutes before it begins with a ticket and without standing in the cold for hours, mabe getting sick and all the stress with ppl shoving in at the front door...

That's because you're Mr. money bags.

Philly76 said:

I rather pay 200 bucks and can come to the show minutes before it begins with a ticket and without standing in the cold for hours, mabe getting sick and all the stress with ppl shoving in at the front door...

If it was $200 I wouldn't have gone, not because I can't afford it but with a family there are so many better things to spend the money on. but I'm 100% with you on the rest.

Philly76 said:

I rather pay 200 bucks and can come to the show minutes before it begins with a ticket and without standing in the cold for hours, mabe getting sick and all the stress with ppl shoving in at the front door...

I enjoyed myself in the queue and had a fun time. Apart from the shoving.

It just shows some more real valuations of certain currencies. ROFL...

Beekbeek said:

Philly76 said:

Let me clarify. With 200 bucks i meant 200 dollar. 200 dollar are approx 148 eur, so it would be the price you had to pay for a montreux ticket. Those shows sold out within days, so the price is nothing special these days when it comes to an artist like Prince is.

Let me clarify:
The situation of the recent shows in London is because it had to be cheap.

Cheapness is a red line through Prince's way of putting shows on the road for the past few years.

You notice this in the local promotor he hires for the larger gigs, the crews he brings (smaller), what stuff he brings (less), what stuff he rents (more), what security he arranges, etc.

Effects of such are failed gigs like Geneva in 20ten, bad (no!) security like e.g. at the Milano gig or at this London gig.

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This does not mean the experience has to be bad, but it makes one wonder in certain cases.

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Contrast this with the carvan he put on the road in the early nineties.

He brought in his stage, the gear, the crew, the security, etc.

udo said:

Let me clarify:
The situation of the recent shows in London is because it had to be cheap.

No it didn't 100% absolutely not, not one single person could believe they were seeing Prince for a tenner and qould all have paid more. If prices had been much more, it would have weedled out the more casual fans but the rest would still have paid.

TheEnglishGent said:

udo said:

Let me clarify:
The situation of the recent shows in London is because it had to be cheap.

No it didn't 100% absolutely not, not one single person could believe they were seeing Prince for a tenner and qould all have paid more. If prices had been much more, it would have weedled out the more casual fans but the rest would still have paid.

I did not mena the ticket pricing.

I meant the production.

That has an effect on e.g. the amountr of people that you see doing security.

TheEnglishGent said:

udo said:

Let me clarify:
The situation of the recent shows in London is because it had to be cheap.

No it didn't 100% absolutely not, not one single person could believe they were seeing Prince for a tenner and qould all have paid more. If prices had been much more, it would have weedled out the more casual fans but the rest would still have paid.

Agreed.

In no way did these shows 'have to be cheap'. He could sell the Electric Ballroom one hundred times over with four times the ticket price. The demand on the street was massive. Very few were present due to the low ticket price, they were there to get a ticket.

Literally thousands of people were waiting over 6 hours in the cold rain. It was manic.

Philly76 said:

Beekbeek said:

That's because you're Mr. money bags.

Let me clarify. With 200 bucks i meant 200 dollar. 200 dollar are approx 148 eur, so it would be the price you had to pay for a montreux ticket. Those shows sold out within days, so the price is nothing special these days when it comes to an artist like Prince is.

Just kidding.

ConsciousContact said:

He loves us more. We understand him.

yeah ....nah....Prince loves London!

udo said:

TheEnglishGent said:

No it didn't 100% absolutely not, not one single person could believe they were seeing Prince for a tenner and qould all have paid more. If prices had been much more, it would have weedled out the more casual fans but the rest would still have paid.

I did not mena the ticket pricing.

I meant the production.

That has an effect on e.g. the amountr of people that you see doing security.

Rubbish. He could do a fully produced, highly-priced tour and it would still sell out. He's doing this for PR and it's working - every radio station and newspaper here is talking about him. He's done it this way because no-one else of his stature is doing it - it's something a little different for a change and it's getting him the coverage. It's Prince playing the game, better than anyone else.

Mindflux said:

udo said:

I did not mena the ticket pricing.

I meant the production.

That has an effect on e.g. the amountr of people that you see doing security.

Rubbish. He could do a fully produced, highly-priced tour and it would still sell out. He's doing this for PR and it's working - every radio station and newspaper here is talking about him. He's done it this way because no-one else of his stature is doing it - it's something a little different for a change and it's getting him the coverage. It's Prince playing the game, better than anyone else.

Prince via Nicola S is front page of The Sun Newspaper Friday .....Game Over ! Massive PR Win!

Mindflux said:

udo said:

I did not mena the ticket pricing.

I meant the production.

That has an effect on e.g. the amountr of people that you see doing security.

Rubbish.

You need to differentiate between the ticket price and the cost of the production.

A ticket can be expensive while little money is spent on production. No security, no elaborate stage, cheap venue, etc.

Please think again.

In this EB case the ticket price was set at a low price but also little money went into the production.

In `regular` shows one can see the ways he cut costs on the production.

udo said:

Mindflux said:

Rubbish.

You need to differentiate between the ticket price and the cost of the production.

A ticket can be expensive while little money is spent on production. No security, no elaborate stage, cheap venue, etc.

Please think again.

In this EB case the ticket price was set at a low price but also little money went into the production.

In `regular` shows one can see the ways he cut costs on the production.

I realise that, but I'm failing to grasp the point you are making. He's done a cheap production show at a cheap price - is there something wrong with that? Not in my book!

Mindflux said:

udo said:

You need to differentiate between the ticket price and the cost of the production.

A ticket can be expensive while little money is spent on production. No security, no elaborate stage, cheap venue, etc.

Please think again.

In this EB case the ticket price was set at a low price but also little money went into the production.

In `regular` shows one can see the ways he cut costs on the production.

I realise that, but I'm failing to grasp the point you are making. He's done a cheap production show at a cheap price - is there something wrong with that? Not in my book!

The price is not the issue. (unless it's Berlin 20ten)

The production sometimes is.

See the security at the EB. See the failure of the Geneva show.

udo said:

Mindflux said:

I realise that, but I'm failing to grasp the point you are making. He's done a cheap production show at a cheap price - is there something wrong with that? Not in my book!

The price is not the issue. (unless it's Berlin 20ten)

The production sometimes is.

See the security at the EB. See the failure of the Geneva show.

But security is not part of the production and is the responsibility of the venue only.

And it depends on whether you are bothered about a flashy show - I'm not. Sometimes, I prefer the show to be about the music, rather than pyrotechnics.....and Prince has done plenty of both in his time.

Mindflux said:

udo said:

The price is not the issue. (unless it's Berlin 20ten)

The production sometimes is.

See the security at the EB. See the failure of the Geneva show.

But security is not part of the production and is the responsibility of the venue only.

You think so. It may vary.

P might have certain requests (or not) w.r.t. security. So he hires company A or B for the job.

Or asks the venue for extra people. Apparently they did not care.

And it depends on whether you are bothered about a flashy show - I'm not.

You might have noticed I am concentrating on the stuff beyond the actual performance.

Where is the platoon of goons (MiBs) he used to have with him in the early nineties?

Where is the caravan of trucks with his stuff?

No, he scales stuff down, rents locally, optimizes for price over control.

That shift is not bad in itself but does make some problems here or there.

udo said:

Mindflux said:

You think so. It may vary.

P might have certain requests (or not) w.r.t. security. So he hires company A or B for the job.

Or asks the venue for extra people. Apparently they did not care.

And it depends on whether you are bothered about a flashy show - I'm not.

You might have noticed I am concentrating on the stuff beyond the actual performance.

Where is the platoon of goons (MiBs) he used to have with him in the early nineties?

Where is the caravan of trucks with his stuff?

No, he scales stuff down, rents locally, optimizes for price over control.

That shift is not bad in itself but does make some problems here or there.

I know so. I've dealt with hundreds of venues over the years, booking gigs for myself. I always send a rider, with various requests (demands is a bit strong) - sometimes they do it, sometimes they don't. P will have a lot more clout when it comes to his requests, but a venue may choose not to comply with certain aspects. EB had less than 24 hours to sort everything - it was a very short-notice gig. But there's nothing to say that anything would have been any different with the venues arrangements with more notice. I've been (and played at) EB many times and always found it quote a skeletal staff situation, which certainly would have struggled with the demand of hosting such a star as Prince.