udo said:

Ozlem:

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Gosh, his guyliner looked really bad that night

But it wasn't John, that's another funny story. John is still in the sound crew. He sacked another guy, so he's touring with another dude, but honestly, why say John on and on...maybe we were supposed to get stupid!

SomewhereHereOnEarth said:

no pics?

I only managed to take a few VERY bad ones.

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KoolEaze said:

SomewhereHereOnEarth said:

no pics?

I only managed to take a few VERY bad ones.

Haha, I can see why he delivered a mediocre gig...everyone in the audience is just taking bad pictures with their mobiles

(I recall it was after this concent in Norway when he started by saying something like "put the cameras down" )

But yeah who am I to say, took some pics myself from the Helsinki concert.

AnttiH said:

KoolEaze said:

I only managed to take a few VERY bad ones.

Haha, I can see why he delivered a mediocre gig...everyone in the audience is just taking bad pictures with their mobiles

(I recall it was after this concent in Norway when he started by saying something like "put the cameras down" )

But yeah who am I to say, took some pics myself from the Helsinki concert.

If the show had been mediocre I would´ve been a happy man that night. It was a sheer fiasco.

But hey, it could´ve been worse. At least he gave a 75 minute performance and tried not to show his true feelings. He COULD HAVE turned it all into a huge success though, but I digress.

Yes, lots of folks were taking pictures, especially those people he called up on stage, and they were standing right in front of him taking pictures with their crappy cellphones, right there right in front of his face while he was playing that small keyboard during A Love Bizarre...even I would have been pissed if that many people just started taking pictures of me without asking.

Then again, he shouldn´t have called them onto the stage in the first place, I hate that part of the show.

KoolEaze said:

AnttiH said:

Haha, I can see why he delivered a mediocre gig...everyone in the audience is just taking bad pictures with their mobiles

(I recall it was after this concent in Norway when he started by saying something like "put the cameras down" )

But yeah who am I to say, took some pics myself from the Helsinki concert.

If the show had been mediocre I would´ve been a happy man that night. It was a sheer fiasco.

But hey, it could´ve been worse. At least he gave a 75 minute performance and tried not to show his true feelings. He COULD HAVE turned it all into a huge success though, but I digress.

Yes, lots of folks were taking pictures, especially those people he called up on stage, and they were standing right in front of him taking pictures with their crappy cellphones, right there right in front of his face while he was playing that small keyboard during A Love Bizarre...even I would have been pissed if that many people just started taking pictures of me without asking.

Then again, he shouldn´t have called them onto the stage in the first place, I hate that part of the show.

wrong. he played 84 minutes.

Why everybody critise the stage presence of approx.1,5 hours? (Okay in the first minute I did the same.)

Yeah, there went something wrong but finally he gave us a good show under these circumstances.

Everybody expected a 3 hour concert! But where is it written that this has to be that long?

Typically a concerts starts with a supporting act at 8 and the main act starts approx. 1 hour after and

regular perform max. 1,5 hours. No one discuss this but we do here with Prince. It's only because he did it on other shows?, well you can not have always luck. But as said we got at least a show and he did it as professional as it could be. Point!

Yes, the real fans were disapointed because of the given time, but be honest we have seen him at least. And even potential new fans will see it the same way now and will come back once he returns to Germany and if not, okay than the real fans have more space.

Finally the audience in the beginning was also not really motivating. Very quite and then the Buh' screams etc. The audience may should have start more a party atmosphere to support him and show that everybody will party instead of standing around like on a funeral. At any german soccer game the own team or single player receives more support, regardless or even if he plays bad for whatever reason.

aribino said:

Why everybody critise the stage presence of approx.1,5 hours? (Okay in the first minute I did the same.)

Yeah, there went something wrong but finally he gave us a good show under these circumstances.

Everybody expected a 3 hour concert! But where is it written that this has to be that long?

Typically a concerts starts with a supporting act at 8 and the main act starts approx. 1 hour after and

regular perform max. 1,5 hours. No one discuss this but we do here with Prince. It's only because he did it on other shows?, well you can not have always luck. But as said we got at least a show and he did it as professional as it could be. Point!

Yes, the real fans were disapointed because of the given time, but be honest we have seen him at least. And even potential new fans will see it the same way now and will come back once he returns to Germany and if not, okay than the real fans have more space.

Finally the audience in the beginning was also not really motivating. Very quite and then the Buh' screams etc. The audience may should have start more a party atmosphere to support him and show that everybody will party instead of standing around like on a funeral. At any german soccer game the own team or single player receives more support, regardless or even if he plays bad for whatever reason.

Totally agree with you about the audience. The "boohs" and comparatively lame crowd were probably a huge letdown for Prince. And those guys throwing beer cups on stage were very rude.

In hindsight, we all know what couldhaveshouldhavewouldhave happened IF....but it just wasn´t meant to be.

Given the circumstances I was quite surprised that he gave a performance at all.

Ah come on, stop aplogizing the shit perfomance he did. Now weeks later, I still think it was a shit gig, and to be honest if he ever comes to Germany I know I won't be going, and this decision has nothing to do with being a big fan or not fan at all. This gig made me realise two things which I wasn't aware before. Firstly, he will never be the same again, he's ageing and his best ever gigs were in the past.

I don't think this will change in the near future. I have no interest in hearing his hits live and when is he gonna tour with some good new songs again? In 10 years?

Secondly, he's milking the fans. Cologne may have been the worst gig, but it wasn't the only gig in Europe that was shit. The aftershows in Holland when he didn't turn up! Paying 100 Euros in cash and hearing some lame covers by the NPG?

The other sound incidents...bla..bla..some of you may be alright with being milked by P, but not me ...

ironically this whole thing reminds me of Dagobert.

Edit: Duck! $$

[Edited 8/23/11 13:03pm]

OzlemUcucu said:

Ah come on, stop aplogizing the shit perfomance he did. Now weeks later, I still think it was a shit gig, and to be honest if he ever comes to Germany I know I won't be going, and this decision has nothing to do with being a big fan or not fan at all. This gig made me realise two things which I wasn't aware before. Firstly, he will never be the same again, he's ageing and his best ever gigs were in the past. Secondly, he's milking the fans. Cologne may have been the worst gig, but it wasn't the only gig in Europa that was shit. The aftershows in Holland when he didn't turn up, the other sound incidents...bla..bla..some of you may be alright with being milked by P, but not me ...ironically this whole thing reminds me of Dagobert.

Uh, well that is bullshit. Isn't true..

Oh yes, I remember you were the first on this thread to post that Germany and Germans sucked.

OzlemUcucu said:

Ah come on, stop aplogizing the shit perfomance he did. Now weeks later, I still think it was a shit gig, and to be honest if he ever comes to Germany I know I won't be going, and this decision has nothing to do with being a big fan or not fan at all. This gig made me realise two things which I wasn't aware before. Firstly, he will never be the same again, he's ageing and his best ever gigs were in the past.

I don't think this will change in the near future. I have no interest in hearing his hits live and when is he gonna tour with some good new songs again? In 10 years?

Secondly, he's milking the fans. Cologne may have been the worst gig, but it wasn't the only gig in Europe that was shit. The aftershows in Holland when he didn't turn up! Paying 100 Euros in cash and hearing some lame covers by the NPG?

The other sound incidents...bla..bla..some of you may be alright with being milked by P, but not me ...

ironically this whole thing reminds me of Dagobert.

Edit: Duck! $$

[Edited 8/23/11 13:03pm]

Uncle Scrooge...I think only German speaking countries call him Dagobert Duck.

And yes, the show sucked but then again there were some shows that were really good. Too bad that this time around I only got to see the worst show of this tour.

OzlemUcucu said:

[...] The aftershows in Holland when he didn't turn up! Paying 100 Euros in cash and hearing some lame covers by the NPG?

[...]

Just to check your statements...

1. at which aftershow in Holland he didn't turn up? November 28 2010? There was never an official announcement he would perform that night in Paradiso, plus while the main concert in Arnhem was still going on, there was a tweet of Renato saying 'no aftershow tonight'. Or do you mean the pre-NSJ gig that was announced by a radio-DJ (a so-called 'very reliable source' had told that DJ Prince will play Paradiso the night before his concerts at the NSJ-festival)? Also for that rumour there was never any official announcement from his camp or the concertpromoter in the Netherlands (who as a matter of fact denied it and said it was just a rumour started by that DJ).

2. yes for 1 hour NPG did lame covers at the first Melkweg concert, but after that Prince went on for 2 hours, funking up the place. Download the bootleg of De Melkweg first night and check for yourself... covers yes, but not lame, just Prince having a good time...

You have every right to complain about your bad experience at Cologne. There is enough things that went wrong in the last tour that fans can complain about (like the sound at the first NSJ concert or cancelling the Brazil show 5 days before), there is really no need to tell untruth about Prince.

OzlemUcucu said:

Ah come on, stop aplogizing the shit perfomance he did. Now weeks later, I still think it was a shit gig, and to be honest if he ever comes to Germany I know I won't be going, and this decision has nothing to do with being a big fan or not fan at all. This gig made me realise two things which I wasn't aware before. Firstly, he will never be the same again, he's ageing and his best ever gigs were in the past.

I don't think this will change in the near future. I have no interest in hearing his hits live and when is he gonna tour with some good new songs again? In 10 years?

Secondly, he's milking the fans. Cologne may have been the worst gig, but it wasn't the only gig in Europe that was shit. The aftershows in Holland when he didn't turn up! Paying 100 Euros in cash and hearing some lame covers by the NPG?

The other sound incidents...bla..bla..some of you may be alright with being milked by P, but not me ...

ironically this whole thing reminds me of Dagobert.

Edit: Duck! $$

[Edited 8/23/11 13:03pm]

Wow, Congratulations, you needed a concert to realise that he isn't the guy he was 20 years ago!

And what is wrong on a show with all his hits, performed in different ways than orginally recorded.

Who is milking the fans? Did Prince forced you to go to the concert and pay approx. 150 EURO?

And yes not every show might be a perfect one. It's sad but we are talking about an artist who need to be in a certain mood. You can not compare such performance with a "normal" person. If you have a bad day you go to work but in most cases you have nice colleagues who support you or you can manage the work by yourself in not doing something extreme important that day to avoid any harm for your company. He can't do this that way.

(He only may think about to hire a real PR professional who is able to communicate with the audience.)

And by the way the Zurich Show was gorgeous! Even with is old milking man.

He simpy SUCKED - UNCLE SCROOGE IN WHITE MANSION COUNTING $$$.

No, the 100 Euro shows in Euro were intended to be compensation for the 25$ shows in United Sates of Divison. Europe seemed to be better for a rip off.

Honestly, as much as I love his songs etc., the truth is:

He can't make it anymore, not for me, maybe for some of you, but not 4 me. I will go and see him again, if I know he has a good album out, and I can be certain I don't have to deal with such a weird performance and attitude.

Nowadays, you can't put up a crap performance like that. People want so much more from live experiences, performances etc..it's so much more stuff going on....it's not the 80s anymore...

I'm sure in my belief that not only people in Cologne were disappointed.

Whatever. Uncle Scrooge!

[Edited 8/23/11 15:52pm]

aribino said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Ah come on, stop aplogizing the shit perfomance he did. Now weeks later, I still think it was a shit gig, and to be honest if he ever comes to Germany I know I won't be going, and this decision has nothing to do with being a big fan or not fan at all. This gig made me realise two things which I wasn't aware before. Firstly, he will never be the same again, he's ageing and his best ever gigs were in the past.

I don't think this will change in the near future. I have no interest in hearing his hits live and when is he gonna tour with some good new songs again? In 10 years?

Secondly, he's milking the fans. Cologne may have been the worst gig, but it wasn't the only gig in Europe that was shit. The aftershows in Holland when he didn't turn up! Paying 100 Euros in cash and hearing some lame covers by the NPG?

The other sound incidents...bla..bla..some of you may be alright with being milked by P, but not me ...

ironically this whole thing reminds me of Dagobert.

Edit: Duck! $$

[Edited 8/23/11 13:03pm]

Wow, Congratulations, you needed a concert to realise that he isn't the guy he was 20 years ago!

And what is wrong on a show with all his hits, performed in different ways than orginally recorded.

Who is milking the fans? Did Prince forced you to go to the concert and pay approx. 150 EURO?

And yes not every show might be a perfect one. It's sad but we are talking about an artist who need to be in a certain mood. You can not compare such performance with a "normal" person. If you have a bad day you go to work but in most cases you have nice colleagues who support you or you can manage the work by yourself in not doing something extreme important that day to avoid any harm for your company. He can't do this that way.

(He only may think about to hire a real PR professional who is able to communicate with the audience.)

And by the way the Zurich Show was gorgeous! Even with is old milking man.

Aribino, if you had a great experience, I am really happy for you. I can only talk about my experience in Cologne and what I felt was wrong or right and happening at that time when I was there.

Half of the audience in Cologne can confirm to you that it was the biggest disaster ever imaginable, so from that point of view I don't even understand your argument!

KoolEaze said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Ah come on, stop aplogizing the shit perfomance he did. Now weeks later, I still think it was a shit gig, and to be honest if he ever comes to Germany I know I won't be going, and this decision has nothing to do with being a big fan or not fan at all. This gig made me realise two things which I wasn't aware before. Firstly, he will never be the same again, he's ageing and his best ever gigs were in the past.

I don't think this will change in the near future. I have no interest in hearing his hits live and when is he gonna tour with some good new songs again? In 10 years?

Secondly, he's milking the fans. Cologne may have been the worst gig, but it wasn't the only gig in Europe that was shit. The aftershows in Holland when he didn't turn up! Paying 100 Euros in cash and hearing some lame covers by the NPG?

The other sound incidents...bla..bla..some of you may be alright with being milked by P, but not me ...

ironically this whole thing reminds me of Dagobert.

Edit: Duck! $$

[Edited 8/23/11 13:03pm]

Uncle Scrooge...I think only German speaking countries call him Dagobert Duck.

And yes, the show sucked but then again there were some shows that were really good. Too bad that this time around I only got to see the worst show of this tour.

On that second photo he's trying to make that keyboard work...oh i remember that too well. You was close to the stage, but I was much more closer.

OzlemUcucu said:

Aribino, if you had a great experience, I am really happy for you. I can only talk about my experience in Cologne and what I felt was wrong or right and happening at that time when I was there.

Half of the audience in Cologne can confirm to you that it was the biggest disaster ever imaginable, so from that point of view I don't even understand your argument!

Oz (may I use this shortcut? ) I also was in Cologne and yes I was disappointed and frustrated as well in the beginning. Why? because all over the world everybody said "he is going to play 3 Hours and more etc.) and he didn't. So my expectations where great after a long time not seeing him. Where it is written that that's way it must be? Everybody from us knows how a concert typically goes. And as far as the setlist concern, everybody could find out in advance. So also no surprise. Btw, what else should he play if there is no new album out.

But he made his show, even it is wasn't his best one, it was good.

The disaster was that nobody (the promoter, who blame the artist, the artist blame the promoter, means no one take responsibility) talked to us and that's why we understand this as an disaster.

I didn't expect a 3 hours show, and in fact my expectations were so low, you can ask everyone on here I talked to prior to this gig. I had below zero expectations.

It's not about how long the gig lasted, it is about how it was. I blame it on Unlce Scrooge cause I was so close to the stage i could even see his face muscles, and I do know as soon he got on stage he was in a shit mood.

He simply didn't wanna play. The reason why I thought Shelby had more stage presence than Unce Scrooge.

I knew it was gonna be a bigger disaster than I thought, and I wasn't proven wrong.

I can't believe there are still people here looking for "bad circumstances" or "a lame audience" or whatever to blame for the Cologne desaster.

Folks, it was Prince ALONE who fucked it up, and he was simply NOT professional at all!

Coming on stage without a souncheck: is that professional??? and it wasn't the first time, 2 weeks ago in Rotterdam it was almost the same. Then returning, asking the crowd "can you hear the keyboard ?", blaming technicians..... is that professional???

Performing a bit more than an hour, half the songs sung by Shelby or the audience, half the time playing guitar in the dark, and all the time being mentally not there on stage.....a shame, and not professional too.

Sorry for expecting something, but unlike some people here I do not believe Prince is God and I'm not just glad to see him alive on stage.

He just didn't wanna play really, that's all. There is absolutely no excuse for that. Sometimes a very short gig can be spectacular. I guess I will keep wondering why Uncle Scrooge returned back to the stage at all! I wished he hadn't.

Juergen187 said:

Coming on stage without a souncheck: is that professional??? and it wasn't the first time, 2 weeks ago in Rotterdam it was almost the same.

How do you know? I heard that he did an almost 4 hour long soundcheck in cologne and when he started the concert and the sound was still bad he got frustrated.

I don't know if that is the truth, but I'm almost sure that you can't back up your "no soundcheck at all" story too.

Juergen187 said:

I can't believe there are still people here looking for "bad circumstances" or "a lame audience" or whatever to blame for the Cologne desaster.

Folks, it was Prince ALONE who fucked it up, and he was simply NOT professional at all!

Coming on stage without a souncheck: is that professional??? and it wasn't the first time, 2 weeks ago in Rotterdam it was almost the same. Then returning, asking the crowd "can you hear the keyboard ?", blaming technicians..... is that professional???

Performing a bit more than an hour, half the songs sung by Shelby or the audience, half the time playing guitar in the dark, and all the time being mentally not there on stage.....a shame, and not professional too.

Sorry for expecting something, but unlike some people here I do not believe Prince is God and I'm not just glad to see him alive on stage.

"Performing a bit more than an hour, half the songs sung by Shelby or the audience, half the time playing guitar in the dark, and all the time being mentally not there on stage.....a shame, and not professional too"

Wow! And 291 Posts on this thread!

rafael said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Ha! The good thing is tho I had my hair done like his. I'm hearing his endless soundchecks in Zurich continue, we are so privileged to be experiencing his sounchecks at gigs instead of what it shoulda (thoughts of Prince).

[Edited 8/17/11 13:15pm]

an artist should never make his audience part of his personal discontent. And that was exactly what Prince did in Cologne...People paid big money to see a show...And that is what Prince is entitled to...But shouting through the mic to his soundman over and over again and making a fool of him during a concert is very sad and unprofessional.

Luckily i saw more than 1 gig but when you only could attend the cologne gig i also would be very dissapointed....

"shouting through the mic to his soundman over and over again and making a fool of him during a concert is very sad"

Really?

[Edited 8/24/11 21:27pm]

A stabilized or de-shaked version of the previously mentioned Purple Rain video from Cologne is in the works.

ForbiddenFruit said:

You did not explain what happened behind the scenes...

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