- Playing about 30 concerts in the states only this year

- Playing about 30 concerts in europe only this year

Not to forget his concerts last year

Now preparing for south america ...

And all this with nearly no expenditure - just organize to get your guitars with u

What a great time for him and for us - he is in such a good mood and plays such great concerts - as prince fans we can be very lucky nowadays! And the luckiest are for sure the one in Holland - he treats them really good!

If you compare his concerts with i.e. the last U2 tour - I like them very much and have seen a lot of U2 concerts - but only the logistic and cost to send these mega-stages around the world must cut their income by millions and millions.

So go on with it Prince - and maybe you share one or another live record on dvd with us - so all would be just perfect!!

greets

nV

netzverwalter said:

- Playing about 30 concerts in the states only this year

- Playing about 30 concerts in europe only this year

Not to forget his concerts last year

Now preparing for south america ...

And all this with nearly no expenditure - just organize to get your guitars with u

What a great time for him and for us - he is in such a good mood and plays such great concerts - as prince fans we can be very lucky nowadays! And the luckiest are for sure the one in Holland - he treats them really good!

If you compare his concerts with i.e. the last U2 tour - I like them very much and have seen a lot of U2 concerts - but only the logistic and cost to send these mega-stages around the world must cut their income by millions and millions.

So go on with it Prince - and maybe you share one or another live record on dvd with us - so all would be just perfect!!

greets

nV

Yeah, Prince must really laugh at U2. They only made $766 million on the 360 tour. After expenses, they probably only yielded $500 million or so actual net profit. How can Bono even afford to buy all that hair coloring?

Not to mention, Prince must really laugh at poor Bono, who actually has to sing 22-24 full length songs each night. What a piss poor loser this Bono is. Prince gives the fans what they want, and lets background singers sing lead on 2 to 4, and even sometimes 8 to 10 songs at some concerts. Every Prince fan's wet dream is to hear Shelby sing and look at her lovely hair. Prince probably has a good laugh when he finds out that U2 has ZERO Background singers. Also, Bono will sometimes allow the fans to sing some of the lyrics to "I Still Haven't Found What I'm looking For," only giving himself a break on vocals on this song. Prince again has this figured out by having fans sing a lot of "Kiss," and other songs.

Even worse, U2 actually plays U2 songs the entire night. Their poor fans suffer through such madness. Prince is much more professional by playing intense intellectual songs like "Play That Funky Music."

Fun for the fans? U2 plays boring shows with little flair. Prince has come up with the one stunt that has brought most prince.org members to their knees with happiness. Prince actually sings a little bit over a tape of a medley of his songs. I know that their are many Prince fans here who wish Prince would fire his band, and just sing the first verse of 65 songs, and have a 50 minute concert.

Bono actually sings for 2 hours every night. Prince may have to be on stage much longer, as he plays longer shows when he wants to, but Prince makes up for this, by only singing about an hour for a two hour show. Prince fans actually like the background singers better than Prince anyway, so Prince is always happy with his own performance.

In all seriousness, Prince is 100 times better than U2, but could learn a lot from watching them live. Prince is probably too busy worrying about recording a new album, until he gives himself a free excuse by worrying that the album will be stolen on the internet.

stillwaiting said:

Yeah, Prince must really laugh at U2. They only made $766 million on the 360 tour. After expenses, they probably only yielded $500 million or so actual net profit. How can Bono even afford to buy all that hair coloring?

Not to mention, Prince must really laugh at poor Bono, who actually has to sing 22-24 full length songs each night. What a piss poor loser this Bono is. Prince gives the fans what they want, and lets background singers sing lead on 2 to 4, and even sometimes 8 to 10 songs at some concerts. Every Prince fan's wet dream is to hear Shelby sing and look at her lovely hair. Prince probably has a good laugh when he finds out that U2 has ZERO Background singers. Also, Bono will sometimes allow the fans to sing some of the lyrics to "I Still Haven't Found What I'm looking For," only giving himself a break on vocals on this song. Prince again has this figured out by having fans sing a lot of "Kiss," and other songs.

Even worse, U2 actually plays U2 songs the entire night. Their poor fans suffer through such madness. Prince is much more professional by playing intense intellectual songs like "Play That Funky Music."

Fun for the fans? U2 plays boring shows with little flair. Prince has come up with the one stunt that has brought most prince.org members to their knees with happiness. Prince actually sings a little bit over a tape of a medley of his songs. I know that their are many Prince fans here who wish Prince would fire his band, and just sing the first verse of 65 songs, and have a 50 minute concert.

Bono actually sings for 2 hours every night. Prince may have to be on stage much longer, as he plays longer shows when he wants to, but Prince makes up for this, by only singing about an hour for a two hour show. Prince fans actually like the background singers better than Prince anyway, so Prince is always happy with his own performance.

In all seriousness, Prince is 100 times better than U2, but could learn a lot from watching them live. Prince is probably too busy worrying about recording a new album, until he gives himself a free excuse by worrying that the album will be stolen on the internet.

You really do have a big Chip on your Shoulder.

I have this strange chip called the Truth on my shoulder. I love Prince much more than U2, but my opinion is that U2 have done a better job live with their career.

I take heat on the Prince site for thinking U2 does a better job live with their weaker material, just like I take heat on the U2 message boards for thinking Prince has stronger material. I am apparently stupid, negative, uninsightful, and plain dumb on both sites for having my own opinions.

I talk to fans after concerts, asking for opinions. U2 fans always leave happy, even after a weak show, or if Bono's voice wasn't on point. I have heard non-fanatic fans at Prince shows bitch about issue after issue. On the Jam of the Year tour of 1997/1998, I heard non-stop complaints about how they didn't like the band, how weak the drummer(Kirk J) was, and many other things.

Prince is much more likely than U2 to have an amazing moment at a concert. He's also more likely to waste time with poorly chosen cover songs, and ignoring his own brilliant songs. Yes, my opinion, and yes, I have to decide to pay my money to see Prince. I'd probably rather pay $500 to see a poor Prince show than pay $10 to see anybody else's great show. Again, my decision to make. For those who think I can only go to a Prince concert if I'm gonna praise his every move, and be 100% Positive about everything....well...those fans can kiss my ass. I may love a tour like One Nite Alone, and may only like a tour like Welcome 2 A Few of the States of America tour. But it is my choice to go. Like it, Love It, or just tolerate it...If Prince is there, I will be there. He's given me more joy than I can ever describe here. I will not compromise my honesty. If he screws up, I'll give my opinion. And if you don't like it, you do have a choice to make about reading my posts. If you want to go build a statue of Tony M, and talk about how Jughead was the greatest moment of Prince's career, go right ahead. It is ok for you to have your opinions as well.

stillwaiting said:

Yeah, Prince must really laugh at U2. They only made $766 million on the 360 tour. After expenses, they probably only yielded $500 million or so actual net profit. How can Bono even afford to buy all that hair coloring?

I heard other numbers - obviously the tour per DAY (even on a free Day!!!) spent about EUR 515.000,--!!!! Ok - so how many years did they travel for that tour - 2 years, right (760 days from June 2009 - July 2011) - 760 Days * 515.000,-- - makes about 400.000.000 EURO spendings. Lets say your 766 Mios income are right - so there are 366 mios left - ok - a big big number - true!

So - they are in 4 - right? - so 366 / 4 makes about 90 mios per each for 110 concerts - so if all our numbers are right - each of them earns about 820.000,-- Euro per night. Great for them and btw. in my thoughts a way to much money for 1 evening (same with prince btw).

That said, the numbers that are floating around for the prince evenings rank between 500.000 and 1.000.000 a day.

So - it might be an even game between Prince and Bono (or the others), but don't u think, that Princes tour-days (month...) aren't a little quiter and with not that much headache?

If he feels to give an concert for about 1.000 people in amsterdam - he just does it. if he feels to stay at "home" for a few days because there are no gigs planned - he does it. If his management makes a contract 2 or 3 weeks just before a concert - it seems to be no problem - the tickets are beeing sold in hours/days - he takes his guitar(s) and his band and flies over.... and pleasures his audience with a new concert everytime (seeing U2 twice on the same tour u could be quite sure to hear 95% of the same)

In all seriousness, Prince is 100 times better than U2, but could learn a lot from watching them live

This is not serious, or?? Prince could learn from U2 on stage??? What? Playing the same show 110 times over and over? Having a background band "under" the stage for backing up - or do u think, that the whole 360° show was only played by U2 alone? When I see and hear Prince on stage I know who is singing and playing. Ok - the argument about songs from others might be ok for one or another - I like it, when he plays songs of other artists - its kind of respect for other artists and often his versions are so much better than the original ones (just think of creep in coachella or the halftime gig). And if Prince plays the guitar and Shelby sings - whats wrong with that?

greets

nV

PS: still in "umbria-mood" and looking forward to see him again in zurich ...

While others may have more success in the quantity of selling records nowadays or like U2 or Madonna in playing in big stadiums, prince has achieved something that is very rarely seen...

He can play rather spontaneuos in big concert halls...from just days to 4 to 8 weeks in advance and they are nearly sold out or quite packed....

And he can release records the way he feels...newspaper, one off record deal, target....

It may not be sometimes the best for the fans, but he seems to enjoy it...

netzverwalter said:

stillwaiting said:

Yeah, Prince must really laugh at U2. They only made $766 million on the 360 tour. After expenses, they probably only yielded $500 million or so actual net profit. How can Bono even afford to buy all that hair coloring?

I heard other numbers - obviously the tour per DAY (even on a free Day!!!) spent about EUR 515.000,--!!!! Ok - so how many years did they travel for that tour - 2 years, right (760 days from June 2009 - July 2011) - 760 Days * 515.000,-- - makes about 400.000.000 EURO spendings. Lets say your 766 Mios income are right - so there are 366 mios left - ok - a big big number - true!

So - they are in 4 - right? - so 366 / 4 makes about 90 mios per each for 110 concerts - so if all our numbers are right - each of them earns about 820.000,-- Euro per night. Great for them and btw. in my thoughts a way to much money for 1 evening (same with prince btw).

That said, the numbers that are floating around for the prince evenings rank between 500.000 and 1.000.000 a day.

So - it might be an even game between Prince and Bono (or the others), but don't u think, that Princes tour-days (month...) aren't a little quiter and with not that much headache?

If he feels to give an concert for about 1.000 people in amsterdam - he just does it. if he feels to stay at "home" for a few days because there are no gigs planned - he does it. If his management makes a contract 2 or 3 weeks just before a concert - it seems to be no problem - the tickets are beeing sold in hours/days - he takes his guitar(s) and his band and flies over.... and pleasures his audience with a new concert everytime (seeing U2 twice on the same tour u could be quite sure to hear 95% of the same)

In all seriousness, Prince is 100 times better than U2, but could learn a lot from watching them live

This is not serious, or?? Prince could learn from U2 on stage??? What? Playing the same show 110 times over and over? Having a background band "under" the stage for backing up - or do u think, that the whole 360° show was only played by U2 alone? When I see and hear Prince on stage I know who is singing and playing. Ok - the argument about songs from others might be ok for one or another - I like it, when he plays songs of other artists - its kind of respect for other artists and often his versions are so much better than the original ones (just think of creep in coachella or the halftime gig). And if Prince plays the guitar and Shelby sings - whats wrong with that?

greets

nV

PS: still in "umbria-mood" and looking forward to see him again in zurich ...

Co-Sign

And something like in Rotterdam during the jazz festival with three complete different concerts...it really showed us again who the best live performer of our time is

linus4000 said:

While others may have more success in the quantity of selling records nowadays or like U2 or Madonna in playing in big stadiums, prince has achieved something that is very rarely seen...

He can play rather spontaneuos in big concert halls...from just days to 4 to 8 weeks in advance and they are nearly sold out or quite packed....

And he can release records the way he feels...newspaper, one off record deal, target....

It may not be sometimes the best for the fans, but he seems to enjoy it...

And here is my co-sign

This is exactly what I was trying to say!

netzverwalter said:

I heard other numbers - obviously the tour per DAY (even on a free Day!!!) spent about EUR 515.000,--!!!! Ok - so how many years did they travel for that tour - 2 years, right (760 days from June 2009 - July 2011) - 760 Days * 515.000,-- - makes about 400.000.000 EURO spendings. Lets say your 766 Mios income are right - so there are 366 mios left - ok - a big big number - true!

So - they are in 4 - right? - so 366 / 4 makes about 90 mios per each for 110 concerts - so if all our numbers are right - each of them earns about 820.000,-- Euro per night. Great for them and btw. in my thoughts a way to much money for 1 evening (same with prince btw).

Before you make calculations you should convert the sums of money into the same currency... You mix euro and dollars.. Secondly, $766 million minus $500 millon is $266 million. Start from the beginning with this equation. If you do, you'll see that the money left for U2 after expenses will be even less.

Justfortheloveofit said:

netzverwalter said:

I heard other numbers - obviously the tour per DAY (even on a free Day!!!) spent about EUR 515.000,--!!!! Ok - so how many years did they travel for that tour - 2 years, right (760 days from June 2009 - July 2011) - 760 Days * 515.000,-- - makes about 400.000.000 EURO spendings. Lets say your 766 Mios income are right - so there are 366 mios left - ok - a big big number - true!

So - they are in 4 - right? - so 366 / 4 makes about 90 mios per each for 110 concerts - so if all our numbers are right - each of them earns about 820.000,-- Euro per night. Great for them and btw. in my thoughts a way to much money for 1 evening (same with prince btw).

Before you make calculations you should convert the sums of money into the same currency... You mix euro and dollars.. Secondly, $766 million minus $500 millon is $266 million. Start from the beginning with this equation. If you do, you'll see that the money left for U2 after expenses will be even less.

uuups - bad mistake for a studied business man - thanks for your hint and sorry for the mixed up numbers!!!

So for U2 it is:

~ 530 mio eur income

~ 400 mio eur spending

~ 130 mio / 110 / 4 gives about 300.000 eur a night

And the winner is ....

[Edited 7/26/11 5:22am]

powersoul99 said:

stillwaiting said:

Yeah, Prince must really laugh at U2. They only made $766 million on the 360 tour. After expenses, they probably only yielded $500 million or so actual net profit. How can Bono even afford to buy all that hair coloring?

Not to mention, Prince must really laugh at poor Bono, who actually has to sing 22-24 full length songs each night. What a piss poor loser this Bono is. Prince gives the fans what they want, and lets background singers sing lead on 2 to 4, and even sometimes 8 to 10 songs at some concerts. Every Prince fan's wet dream is to hear Shelby sing and look at her lovely hair. Prince probably has a good laugh when he finds out that U2 has ZERO Background singers. Also, Bono will sometimes allow the fans to sing some of the lyrics to "I Still Haven't Found What I'm looking For," only giving himself a break on vocals on this song. Prince again has this figured out by having fans sing a lot of "Kiss," and other songs.

Even worse, U2 actually plays U2 songs the entire night. Their poor fans suffer through such madness. Prince is much more professional by playing intense intellectual songs like "Play That Funky Music."

Fun for the fans? U2 plays boring shows with little flair. Prince has come up with the one stunt that has brought most prince.org members to their knees with happiness. Prince actually sings a little bit over a tape of a medley of his songs. I know that their are many Prince fans here who wish Prince would fire his band, and just sing the first verse of 65 songs, and have a 50 minute concert.

Bono actually sings for 2 hours every night. Prince may have to be on stage much longer, as he plays longer shows when he wants to, but Prince makes up for this, by only singing about an hour for a two hour show. Prince fans actually like the background singers better than Prince anyway, so Prince is always happy with his own performance.

In all seriousness, Prince is 100 times better than U2, but could learn a lot from watching them live. Prince is probably too busy worrying about recording a new album, until he gives himself a free excuse by worrying that the album will be stolen on the internet.

You really do have a big Chip on your Shoulder.

And you are deluded

stillwaiting said:

Yeah, Prince must really laugh at U2. They only made $766 million on the 360 tour. After expenses, they probably only yielded $500 million or so actual net profit. How can Bono even afford to buy all that hair coloring?

Not to mention, Prince must really laugh at poor Bono, who actually has to sing 22-24 full length songs each night. What a piss poor loser this Bono is. Prince gives the fans what they want, and lets background singers sing lead on 2 to 4, and even sometimes 8 to 10 songs at some concerts. Every Prince fan's wet dream is to hear Shelby sing and look at her lovely hair. Prince probably has a good laugh when he finds out that U2 has ZERO Background singers. Also, Bono will sometimes allow the fans to sing some of the lyrics to "I Still Haven't Found What I'm looking For," only giving himself a break on vocals on this song. Prince again has this figured out by having fans sing a lot of "Kiss," and other songs.

Even worse, U2 actually plays U2 songs the entire night. Their poor fans suffer through such madness. Prince is much more professional by playing intense intellectual songs like "Play That Funky Music."

Fun for the fans? U2 plays boring shows with little flair. Prince has come up with the one stunt that has brought most prince.org members to their knees with happiness. Prince actually sings a little bit over a tape of a medley of his songs. I know that their are many Prince fans here who wish Prince would fire his band, and just sing the first verse of 65 songs, and have a 50 minute concert.

Bono actually sings for 2 hours every night. Prince may have to be on stage much longer, as he plays longer shows when he wants to, but Prince makes up for this, by only singing about an hour for a two hour show. Prince fans actually like the background singers better than Prince anyway, so Prince is always happy with his own performance.

In all seriousness, Prince is 100 times better than U2, but could learn a lot from watching them live. Prince is probably too busy worrying about recording a new album, until he gives himself a free excuse by worrying that the album will be stolen on the internet.

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dayzofwyld said:

powersoul99 said:

You really do have a big Chip on your Shoulder.

And you are deluded

Please explain?

Like this thread apart from the obvious aggressive tone...I was brought up in ireland, very small village where it was U2 or be forgotten mentality, I used to hate them for that reason...

In 87 i got my ticket to see prince in wembley, alas it was cancelled and i had to see U2 in Cork, i went determined to say they would be shite, but as you can tell from my style of writing...they were incredible, I saw MJ at the same venue and by 1990 i saw Prince there...

In hindsight, U2 rocked it, of course it was U2 in Ireland, end of the Joshua Tree tour...

92 saw P in Dublin (RDS), 95 twice at the now 02 arena (point depot)...

I had given up, P in stadiums does not kick ass...

U2 again, saw in Vienna 2001, 05 and Frankfurt 2010 ( Also seen Springsteen and The Stones in Vienna)

P 9 times 02 mainshow, 4 times aftershow

Till the 3rd of July this year, I personally thought, U2 without shodow of a doubt best stadium act in the world, Prince more talented and so on

HopFarm changed me on that...read the reviews, that is all i say

Finally for me, Prince had delivered what i had always waited for...The greatest show on Earth

netzverwalter said:

Justfortheloveofit said:

Before you make calculations you should convert the sums of money into the same currency... You mix euro and dollars.. Secondly, $766 million minus $500 millon is $266 million. Start from the beginning with this equation. If you do, you'll see that the money left for U2 after expenses will be even less.

uuups - bad mistake for a studied business man - thanks for your hint and sorry for the mixed up numbers!!!

So for U2 it is:

~ 530 mio eur income

~ 400 mio eur spending

~ 130 mio / 110 / 4 gives about 300.000 eur a night

And the winner is ....

[Edited 7/26/11 5:22am]

I don't know about the $$$'s Prince is making, but I've seen him 5 times in the last 17 days and heard him play 75 different full songs (out of 91 full songs performed - and I am not counting the first hour of The NPG last Sunday in de Melkweg).

And among those 75 songs there were 28 songs I hadn't heard him playing live before (among them songs from Lotus Flow3r, 20Ten and songs like Cool - so basically that's because he hadn't done those songs in Europe before this tour).

Agree I went to 5 shows out of the regular Prince tour, 3 times North Sea Jazz and 2 times Melkweg... but I never heard U2 played a surprise gig in a theatre that allows everyone to see the sweat on Bono's face

I also have no idea which variety of songs U2 play on their shows - I couldn't be bothered either because U2 bores the hell out of me (not saying they aren't good, they're just not my cup of tea - different strokes for different folks).

But musically I think Prince gives a lot of variety to his fans who take the effort (and can afford) to go to special shows... of course if it's all about 22 songs played in full length every night and making hundreds of millions of dollars (or euros - in those numbers the currency becomes irrelevant) yes than U2 gives their fans a lot more

stillwaiting said:

Yeah, Prince must really laugh at U2. They only made $766 million on the 360 tour. After expenses, they probably only yielded $500 million or so actual net profit. How can Bono even afford to buy all that hair coloring?

Not to mention, Prince must really laugh at poor Bono, who actually has to sing 22-24 full length songs each night. What a piss poor loser this Bono is. Prince gives the fans what they want, and lets background singers sing lead on 2 to 4, and even sometimes 8 to 10 songs at some concerts. Every Prince fan's wet dream is to hear Shelby sing and look at her lovely hair. Prince probably has a good laugh when he finds out that U2 has ZERO Background singers. Also, Bono will sometimes allow the fans to sing some of the lyrics to "I Still Haven't Found What I'm looking For," only giving himself a break on vocals on this song. Prince again has this figured out by having fans sing a lot of "Kiss," and other songs.

Even worse, U2 actually plays U2 songs the entire night. Their poor fans suffer through such madness. Prince is much more professional by playing intense intellectual songs like "Play That Funky Music."

Fun for the fans? U2 plays boring shows with little flair. Prince has come up with the one stunt that has brought most prince.org members to their knees with happiness. Prince actually sings a little bit over a tape of a medley of his songs. I know that their are many Prince fans here who wish Prince would fire his band, and just sing the first verse of 65 songs, and have a 50 minute concert.

Bono actually sings for 2 hours every night. Prince may have to be on stage much longer, as he plays longer shows when he wants to, but Prince makes up for this, by only singing about an hour for a two hour show. Prince fans actually like the background singers better than Prince anyway, so Prince is always happy with his own performance.

In all seriousness, Prince is 100 times better than U2, but could learn a lot from watching them live. Prince is probably too busy worrying about recording a new album, until he gives himself a free excuse by worrying that the album will be stolen on the internet.

Wow you need to really get off the crack. You are comparing a band that is with a major record label with a independent artist who has no chance of getting any of his music on the radio.

As much as you might want to think the internet will make P has popular as U2 it will not. P is a 53 year old blackman to be selling out the venues with no cd and little promotion is incredible because you can not name anyone else who is doing this including U2 since they are not even in the same universe.