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Thread started 07/22/11 10:41am

BeyondSpace

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Sound problems

It seems like major sound problems have been a constant thing happening in Prince's recent tours and it can really ruin a concert for a lot of people, and Prince seems pretty frustrated at times.

I've read a some comments on the org about the sound problems in different venues, people say:

How is it possible at that level? Prince is a superstar.

How can he not have great sound engineer(s)?

Is the sound guy deaf?? smile

I agree BUT I must say one thing that I noticed in Helsinki. The sound was great close to the stage in the beginning during the first three songs until Prince started talking to the sound engineer during Stratus. He said "make sure that there is enough bass in the house". That's when it started to get worse. The sound engineer did everything that Prince asked him to do regardless what it sounded like. That's a huge problem and it seems like there isn't trust between them or something. Clearly a communication problem imo.

Of what I have understood is that the sound is very different in the audience than it is on stage for the performers, right?

At that level sound engineers should be professional enough to get the sound right (or even close it) and artists should trust what they do.

Why can't there be staff at different points in the venue to inform the sound engineer if something sounds horrible? The artist should not be the one telling the sound engineer what to do.

And people in the crowd can't really go and have a talk with the sound guy if something is wrong.

This isn't rocket science for duck's sake! biggrin

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Reply #1 posted 07/22/11 5:23pm

stillwaiting

Prince has a habit of underpaying every single person that has anything to do with him. He also tries to not pay whenever possible. This is likely why he has had lackluster musicians playing with him since the late 90's. Kirk Johnson was not the best drummer in the world, but he came cheap. Just ask anybody who's ever worked for Prince.

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Reply #2 posted 07/22/11 5:38pm

michael11000

Ironically, for me, at Hop Farm in the UK this year the sound was the best I've heard in a long while on a Prince tour. It really was good. He obviously had no time for a soundcheck either (except the first song when he was telling the engineers this and that on the mic).This was an outdoor festival in a field so no reverberations or any sort of echo problems with indoor venues (or outdoor venues like stadiums with stands). So I feel fortunate really to see him where I did as sound problems seem to have cropped up with other venues.

The worst sound I ever experienced was Prince at Earl's Court in the early 90's. Jeez that was bad!

Anyway, as regards other stadia and indoor venues - Prince obviously with his experience knows that what he hears on stage is not the same as what is heard all around the arenas (for the benefit of all) so I don't quite know how he decides what he turns up or down from a stage -only perspective stage or not. It must be really difficult to do - because one place in an echo-laden stadium is not the same as 50 yards further back.

I saw a documentary on the new Wembley stadium recently and interestingly just for 'atmosphere reasons' (that I would think include pop concerts) - they angled each glass cover of the VIP boxes in different ways so there would not be 'hotpsots of echo' in the place. Interesting indeed.

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Reply #3 posted 07/23/11 4:03am

iggy23

during 'gold experience' he was mixing sound in the house himself,in a private boot onstage cool

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Reply #4 posted 07/23/11 5:06pm

ihatephish

Re: sound problems- that's a shame. I was surprised whoever he had in LA was able to make the forum shows sound good. Place is notorious for bad sound.
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Reply #5 posted 07/24/11 3:41am

iggy23

sound is a teamgame

numerous people with different tasks,sometimes very complex

also money and time is crucial

a bandmixer task is just 2 balance the band,he is not resposible for the tuning of the sound system

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Reply #6 posted 07/25/11 5:19am

PasiKullero

ihatephish said:

Re: sound problems- that's a shame. I was surprised whoever he had in LA was able to make the forum shows sound good. Place is notorious for bad sound.

I think, it was the round stage. Not any long distances to create circulating basses, echoes etc.

I still don't think the sound was that terrible in Finland. Not "great", but reasonable good. It didn't ruin mine or majority of the audience's experience. You can tell, when you see 10 000 people dancing their asses off.

"Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have morals or virtues that one does not truly possess or practice."
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Reply #7 posted 07/25/11 1:10pm

BeyondSpace

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PasiKullero said:

ihatephish said:

Re: sound problems- that's a shame. I was surprised whoever he had in LA was able to make the forum shows sound good. Place is notorious for bad sound.

I think, it was the round stage. Not any long distances to create circulating basses, echoes etc.

I still don't think the sound was that terrible in Finland. Not "great", but reasonable good. It didn't ruin mine or majority of the audience's experience. You can tell, when you see 10 000 people dancing their asses off.

I loved every second of the gig and the sound was very good overall, except on Stratus and a few songs after that (too much bass). It was not terrible at any point.

My original post was more about the communication between Prince and the sound engineer, and if maybe that could be a reason for sounds problems here and there. I dunno. He does communicate a lot with the sound engineer during concerts, at least that is true.

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