Based on some of the commentary i've read, this is a place for all the "True Fans(?)" to whimper, whine and moan about...

1) How Prince (regarding the set lists) hasn't performed like their personal juke-box.
2) How "casual fans(?)" are supposed to act at the shows.
3) The fact that the shows are in Inglewood at The Forum.
4) VIP is so expensive and that $25 LOGE seats aren't close enough.
5) How he needs to dump Shelby/Larry/[fill in the blank]

...I could go on, but you get the picture.

One night I was layin' down
I heard Mama & Popa talkin'
I heard Popa tell Mama
"Let that boy whine & whimper,"
It's in 'im, and it gotta come out"
(apologies to John Lee Hooker)

Consider this a public service. A vessel for venom if you will.

I think King's X says it best...

...Complain

Ozone disappearing in the sky
Bud-man asking us, "Why Ask Why?"
If I could find my magazine this bug would die
I complain

China boy standing up to a tank
Southern boy living in the house of Yanks
If I can't seem to get my motorbike to crank
I complain

Complain, so much easier
Complain, so much easier
Complain, so much easier
Easier

Small kid begging for a crumb of bread
Next kid bloated lying nearly dead
I wonder what to take for my aching head
I complain

Lots of people crying for a little rain
Whole nation learning how to live with pain
I don't know how I'm gonna clean this little stain
I complain

[Chorus]

Black man singing Mississippi blues
Africa starves, a little baby drools
I'm trying to figure out all the basketball rules
I complain

Mr. Rush Limbaugh giving me the facts
Treetops falling and the newsman yaks
I'm thinking about Carter and how I'm gonna be taxed

[Chorus Out]
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UltraLash said:

Damn, Gina. What's with all the negativity? The man gives us a gives us an inch and we funk all over him.

Well, you're making my exact point Mar'in!

I've been to 6 Forum shows and 1 of the HOB gigs and don't really have any complaints.
But it seems that others do. I'm simply providing them with a location to commiserate as a group.

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theAudience said:

UltraLash said:

Damn, Gina. What's with all the negativity? The man gives us a gives us an inch and we funk all over him.

Well, you're making my exact point Mar'in!

I've been to 6 Forum shows and 1 of the HOB gigs and don't really have any complaints.
But it seems that others do. I'm simply providing them with a location to commiserate as a group.

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theAudience said:

UltraLash said:

Damn, Gina. What's with all the negativity? The man gives us a gives us an inch and we funk all over him.

Well, you're making my exact point Mar'in!

I've been to 6 Forum shows and 1 of the HOB gigs and don't really have any complaints.
But it seems that others do. I'm simply providing them with a location to commiserate as a group.

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Yes, the OP is clearly being sarcastic. He and I agree, what I treat we got with so many, so-ridiculously-cheap-that-they're practically-free, amazing and unique shows. Not since I got to see Dylan play the El Rey for 3 out of 5 nights in 1997 did I feel this treated by an artist who who sits among my favorite performers.

[Edited 5/30/11 18:12pm]

what did you expect for 25 bucks? Prince ain't going to work all that hard if tix are only 25 bucks. You should know that by now. This was just a quick payday for him with as little work as possible. Be thankful you got to see him. Yeah the tour pretty much looked and felt like every tour since musicology but hey...$25 bucks!! What did you expect?

Yeah, I just didn't see the benefit of a dedicated Dread Thread. It's like quelling a fragmented, rioting crowd by giving them a stage and a microphone. I'm sure it'll be fun to read, though.

Because society is now a society of constant complainers and spoiled. How there are complaints about these shows are beyond me. Seems the key element lacking with these complainers is common sense~ they don't have to but tickets again and again and again. Simple as that.

Even more insulting...can you imagine complaining after spending $25 for a concert?????For Prince???

I particularly like those who complain about the shows but admit they went back over & over again....

Thank you Sir, may I have another...

dandeeland said:

what did you expect for 25 bucks? Prince ain't going to work all that hard if tix are only 25 bucks. You should know that by now. This was just a quick payday for him with as little work as possible. Be thankful you got to see him. Yeah the tour pretty much looked and felt like every tour since musicology but hey...$25 bucks!! What did you expect?

based on the reviews, he worked just as hard for $25 in the Forum as he did for $85-$324 in the Carolinas. All the Carolina shows were less than 2 hours, less than an hour and a half if you count where Shelby was on lead, or when Prince was just dancing. At least in the Forum, some of the shows were well over 2 hours.

Still, Shelby sings too much, and there are still too many cover songs, too many songs where Prince is not willing 2 do the work on vocals by either cutting out a lot of the vocals, or holding the mic to the crowd.

Of course this site is full of Prince fans who would rather hear the fans sing than Prince, and I know for a fact there are fans here that would rather have Prince play Karaoke by singing over a tape for 4 minutes hearing snippets of 10 songs, then have Prince play 2 extra full length songs.

Yes, I am aware that this thread has baited me in by giving me a chance to complain.

I will complain every chance I get, just like I will say that even the worst Prince concert is better than most other concerts...

it just stinks that someone capable of so much can go through the motions so much.

For example, "Mountains" should be a song with Prince on vocals. The girls are doing much of the singing, as Prince whispers into the mic on this song.

I've said it before, but Bruce Springsteen, who is older than Prince, and doesn't have even 25% of Prince's talent plays 3 hours plus, and 95% of a Springsteen show is him singing full length songs. I'd probably rather hear Prince brush his teeth, and ramble on about how he has "Too Many Hits," and then hear him ask for the 1,000th time during "Adore," if "Anybody Pregnant," then hear Bruce Springsteen do anything...

So, I have to learn to just be happy with what I can get.

Still, Prince sending his lawyers after the Family, not letting the Time use "The Time," is just silly, immature, and wrong.

Prince has a long history of disdain for his own friends, bandmates, and fans. He is so wealthy, and powerful, that he can do this. Oddly, someone with his wealth can't pay his taxes on time, and has to rent a house from Carlos Boozer.

Still, he has a studio output that I rank better than anybody else. That does mean something, but I would be a liar if I said being a Prince fan was easy.

dandeeland said:

what did you expect for 25 bucks? Prince ain't going to work all that hard if tix are only 25 bucks. You should know that by now. This was just a quick payday for him with as little work as possible. Be thankful you got to see him. Yeah the tour pretty much looked and felt like every tour since musicology but hey...$25 bucks!! What did you expect?

the same price offered 2 LA that those didn't get in other cities

dandeeland said:

what did you expect for 25 bucks? Prince ain't going to work all that hard if tix are only 25 bucks. You should know that by now. This was just a quick payday for him with as little work as possible. Be thankful you got to see him. Yeah the tour pretty much looked and felt like every tour since musicology but hey...$25 bucks!! What did you expect?

Shhhhhhhh! you need to stop talking

"Prince ain't going to work all that hard if tix are only 25 bucks" Really? you are saying he didn't work hard?

"This was just a quick payday for him with as little work as possible"

So he shows up at 6pm for rehearsal and leaves around 3am....yeah you are right

I am so glad I got to see him 6 times with a bunch of different people who have never seen him before, what a gift

You all should start your own website bipolarpincefans.org

Never happy unless he comes over to your house and sings only the songs you want him to.

sirweasel said:

You all should start your own website bipolarpincefans.org

Never happy unless he comes over to your house and sings only the songs you want him to.

No you are mistaken. They would NOT be happy.

If Prince came over some of these people's houses tomorrow morning while they were making breakfast and played "Dirty Mind' in its entirety followed by disc 3 of "The Hits/The B-sides" in its entirety followed by "The Black Album" in its entirety IN THIER LIVING ROOM and THEN gave free guitar lessons to their kids, they'd STILL BITCH about Prince making them late for work...or something. Trust me they would.

[Edited 5/31/11 18:41pm]

darkstranger521 said:

sirweasel said:

You all should start your own website bipolarpincefans.org

Never happy unless he comes over to your house and sings only the songs you want him to.

No you are mistaken. They would NOT be happy.

If Prince came over some of these people's houses tomorrow morning while they were making breakfast and played "Dirty Mind' in its entirety followed by disc 3 of "The Hits/The B-sides" in its entirety followed by "The Black Album" in its entirety IN THIER LIVING ROOM and THEN gave free guitar lessons to their kids, they'd STILL BITCH about Prince making them late for work...or something. Trust me they would.

[Edited 5/31/11 18:41pm]

so true

stillwaiting said:

dandeeland said:

what did you expect for 25 bucks? Prince ain't going to work all that hard if tix are only 25 bucks. You should know that by now. This was just a quick payday for him with as little work as possible. Be thankful you got to see him. Yeah the tour pretty much looked and felt like every tour since musicology but hey...$25 bucks!! What did you expect?

based on the reviews, he worked just as hard for $25 in the Forum as he did for $85-$324 in the Carolinas. All the Carolina shows were less than 2 hours, less than an hour and a half if you count where Shelby was on lead, or when Prince was just dancing. At least in the Forum, some of the shows were well over 2 hours.

Still, Shelby sings too much, and there are still too many cover songs, too many songs where Prince is not willing 2 do the work on vocals by either cutting out a lot of the vocals, or holding the mic to the crowd.

Of course this site is full of Prince fans who would rather hear the fans sing than Prince, and I know for a fact there are fans here that would rather have Prince play Karaoke by singing over a tape for 4 minutes hearing snippets of 10 songs, then have Prince play 2 extra full length songs.

Yes, I am aware that this thread has baited me in by giving me a chance to complain.

I will complain every chance I get, just like I will say that even the worst Prince concert is better than most other concerts...

it just stinks that someone capable of so much can go through the motions so much.

For example, "Mountains" should be a song with Prince on vocals. The girls are doing much of the singing, as Prince whispers into the mic on this song.

I've said it before, but Bruce Springsteen, who is older than Prince, and doesn't have even 25% of Prince's talent plays 3 hours plus, and 95% of a Springsteen show is him singing full length songs. I'd probably rather hear Prince brush his teeth, and ramble on about how he has "Too Many Hits," and then hear him ask for the 1,000th time during "Adore," if "Anybody Pregnant," then hear Bruce Springsteen do anything...

So, I have to learn to just be happy with what I can get.

Still, Prince sending his lawyers after the Family, not letting the Time use "The Time," is just silly, immature, and wrong.

Prince has a long history of disdain for his own friends, bandmates, and fans. He is so wealthy, and powerful, that he can do this. Oddly, someone with his wealth can't pay his taxes on time, and has to rent a house from Carlos Boozer.

Still, he has a studio output that I rank better than anybody else. That does mean something, but I would be a liar if I said being a Prince fan was easy.

Wow, that's pretty rough...

He actually has another place in LA now; he's out of Boozer's house.

Well...here's a sincere complaint:

If not at all of the shows, at least at the last one, Prince should introduce his full band appropriately and respectfully.

Realtor said:

Well...here's a sincere complaint:

If not at all of the shows, at least at the last one, Prince should introduce his full band appropriately and respectfully.

Valid complaint. I only heard him introduce the entire band once, on 5/5 during "Stratus."

GDB said:

Realtor said:

Well...here's a sincere complaint:

If not at all of the shows, at least at the last one, Prince should introduce his full band appropriately and respectfully.

Valid complaint. I only heard him introduce the entire band once, on 5/5 during "Stratus."

The way Prince treated people on stage this tour was pretty rude, in general, but nobody seems to mind. The only reason I bring it up is because I can compare it to how he's been in this past, and it's much different now.

It's not like it's common practice for him to bring a woman up on stage, but when he did in the past, he would hold her hand and walk her off of the stage. Too many times during the Welcome 2 America Tour, and the 21 Night Stand, he walked away from women and they looked pretty confused up there, wondering if they should stay on stage or get off of it.

The way he introduced people on the stage was very inconsistent. Some times, he would ramble on, like he did Sunday about Maceo Parker and Nikka Costa and other times, not so much. Since he gave his background singers so much of the workload, I think he should have paid them much more respect and offered formal introductions to the audience. The stage is HUGE. So, why he felt it wasn't worth it to have EVERYONE line up and introduce them one by one to take a bow, I don't know, except for the obvious reasons: ego and control.

Whether people agree or not, showing that type of respect to the band and performers instills a great deal of confidence and provides a feeling of camaraderie. It also, AT LEAST, gives the illusion that he is trying to help further their careers, as opposed to what he's actually doing, holding them all back.

Without naming names necessarily, in your conversations with various band members did you pick up on any disharmoy or dissatisfaction..?

Realtor said:

GDB said:

Valid complaint. I only heard him introduce the entire band once, on 5/5 during "Stratus."

The way Prince treated people on stage this tour was pretty rude, in general, but nobody seems to mind. The only reason I bring it up is because I can compare it to how he's been in this past, and it's much different now.

It's not like it's common practice for him to bring a woman up on stage, but when he did in the past, he would hold her hand and walk her off of the stage. Too many times during the Welcome 2 America Tour, and the 21 Night Stand, he walked away from women and they looked pretty confused up there, wondering if they should stay on stage or get off of it.

The way he introduced people on the stage was very inconsistent. Some times, he would ramble on, like he did Sunday about Maceo Parker and Nikka Costa and other times, not so much. Since he gave his background singers so much of the workload, I think he should have paid them much more respect and offered formal introductions to the audience. The stage is HUGE. So, why he felt it wasn't worth it to have EVERYONE line up and introduce them one by one to take a bow, I don't know, except for the obvious reasons: ego and control.

Whether people agree or not, showing that type of respect to the band and performers instills a great deal of confidence and provides a feeling of camaraderie. It also, AT LEAST, gives the illusion that he is trying to help further their careers, as opposed to what he's actually doing, holding them all back.

i concur about this treatment of introducing band members. it seems this time around, he never gave the band members there shine or just singled out certain members of the band. in the past we got 2 know every single band member and felt like he gave the audience a chance 2 appreciate their talents. and as 4 bringing up people on the stage, it seems like it has been only A list people allowed 2 party with him

I have nothing to whimper, whine or moan about, so I guess this will be my last post in this thread

btw those fans will continue 2 go into other threads complaining, thats what they do best my friend, you just created there meeting ground

GDB said:

Without naming names necessarily, in your conversations with various band members did you pick up on any disharmoy or dissatisfaction..?

Not the appropriate venue to discuss.

But like I alluded to at the beginning, if it doesn't bother the fans, then the point is for the most part, moot. What surprises me most is how people that have attended concerts, not just his in the past, are not familiar with respectable etiquette and treatment of a band. It's not like Prince was singing his songs by himself. It's not like Prince was singing lead in all of his songs. It's not like Prince even participated in all of the songs. So why NOW is he so reluctant to credit, praise, and introduce bandmembers? Again, I'm FULLY aware: ego and control. But are his fans too old to remember how he used to treat his band? Or all these fans just new? Pretty bizarre to me.

Realtor said:

GDB said:

Without naming names necessarily, in your conversations with various band members did you pick up on any disharmoy or dissatisfaction..?

Not the appropriate venue to discuss.

But like I alluded to at the beginning, if it doesn't bother the fans, then the point is for the most part, moot. What surprises me most is how people that have attended concerts, not just his in the past, are not familiar with respectable etiquette and treatment of a band. It's not like Prince was singing his songs by himself. It's not like Prince was singing lead in all of his songs. It's not like Prince even participated in all of the songs. So why NOW is he so reluctant to credit, praise, and introduce bandmembers? Again, I'm FULLY aware: ego and control. But are his fans too old to remember how he used to treat his band? Or all these fans just new? Pretty bizarre to me.

Cool, I'll hit you up privately about it.

DaveG said:

I particularly like those who complain about the shows but admit they went back over & over again....

Thank you Sir, may I have another...

DaveG said:

I particularly like those who complain about the shows but admit they went back over & over again....

Thank you Sir, may I have another...

This is the best thing ever written on prince.org

Thank you!!!

sirweasel said:

DaveG said:

I particularly like those who complain about the shows but admit they went back over & over again....

Thank you Sir, may I have another...

This is the best thing ever written on prince.org

Thank you!!!

It pretty much sums me up. I'll bitch about how he could let Tony M in the band, and then bitch about how much ticket prices cost, and then I'll sell my first born on ebay to be on the front row. Well, just like I have the right to pay $324 for a ticket, I also have the right to complain as I damb well please, and if you don't like it, you can make a post about how you think Prince should have an entire concert where he plays a tape and sings karaoke over it for 45 minutes, and then walks out.

Realtor said:

Well...here's a sincere complaint:

If not at all of the shows, at least at the last one, Prince should introduce his full band appropriately and respectfully.

And on the keyboards: Some guy who will be in the band until I fire him again...

And on the drums: Another guy who I will fire again

And on the guitar: well, if I'm not playing it, there is no guitar part.

And on the bass: Rhonda wuzhername, I mean Ida whoever until I fire her

And on the background vocals: I don't know their names, but they will sing lead for 30 minutes of this hour and 45 minute show!

Since he has a different lineup for every tour, I don't really care who is in the band anymore. And calling them the NPG is stupid. He once said the Revolution could never reform since Revolutions only happen once. Somebody forgot to tell him that Power Generations can not be NEW forever.

stillwaiting said:

sirweasel said:

This is the best thing ever written on prince.org

Thank you!!!

It pretty much sums me up. I'll bitch about how he could let Tony M in the band, and then bitch about how much ticket prices cost, and then I'll sell my first born on ebay to be on the front row. Well, just like I have the right to pay $324 for a ticket, I also have the right to complain as I damb well please, and if you don't like it, you can make a post about how you think Prince should have an entire concert where he plays a tape and sings karaoke over it for 45 minutes, and then walks out.

Before this spirals out of control, even though my approach in starting this thread was done tongue-in-cheek, it was meant to garner a rational discussion and not an argument.

I must compliment stillwaiting on being honest enough to admit that although certain things may have been known (or at least suspected) going in (setlists, band members, player-piano segment, etc ) based on recent concerts prior to 21 Nites, the poster copped to the fact that the onus was on him/her to attend.




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