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Reply #30 posted 07/31/10 4:34am

udo

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Rosi said:

At the present time, it is not possible for us to make any reimbursements for the Prince concert of 23 July 2010 that was annulled.
No precise instructions have been received from D. S. Quarcopoome or the promoters, and the advance payments have not been returned.

For this reason, Resaplus SA will take legal action as of 2 August 2010 in order to reimburse the clients for those tickets.

Thanks for the info!

Hmmm..

So it looks the promotor is not cooperating and resaplus will start a legal procedure to get the money. (might take a while if he has fled abroad...)

Looking at the resaplus AGB, is this still their task? (not that I mind them going after Quacopoome)

Via what paragraphs or laws?

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Reply #31 posted 07/31/10 5:30am

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No! I don't think it's their task! But obviously it is in their best interest to make the clients at least think, that they are doing everything in their power to refund the money! It wouldn't be that good for their business, if they would say, that it's none of their business... even though, per AGB, it is (none of their business)!

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Reply #32 posted 07/31/10 6:12am

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So why don't they publish all contact info they have for this Quarcopoome person and his SARL's?

And/or what they tried/did?

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Reply #33 posted 08/02/10 1:48am

kamparino

From "Tribune de Geneve" newspaper:

http://www.tdg.ch/geneve/...2010-08-01

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Reply #34 posted 08/02/10 4:57am

Rosi

I asked today my credit card agency to find a way to have them into the boat. Normaly if the contract between Resaplus.ch and the clients (us) could not be fullfiled through Resaplus.ch then we can ask the credit card firms to credit back our accounts and have then with Resaplus.ch the discussion and fight to get the money back.

This usually works! If, you boght your tickets in the last 30 days to 45 days (depends the credit card firm) then you can ask them to credit back your credit card account.

If (like me) you bought your tickets further back as 30-45 days - then it is to late.

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Reply #35 posted 08/02/10 6:17am

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Thanks for the card tip.

I got a general response from resaplus.ch:

Dear Client,

We sincerely apologise for this most distressing situation that has deeply affected us.

At the present time, it is not possible for us to make any reimbursements for the Prince concert of 23 July 2010 that was annulled.
No precise instructions have been received from D. S. Quarcopoome or the promoters, and the advance payments have not been returned.

For this reason, Resaplus SA will take legal action as of 2 August 2010 in order to reimburse the clients for those tickets.

Resaplus will not abandon this and payments made for the concert must be recovered and our clients reimbursed.
However, it was necessary to allow a few days for the organisers and their partners to clarify the situation.
For the time being nothing has been settled and everything will be done to resolve this affair and reach a positive outcome.
Resaplus is also a victim of this appalling situation and we are fighting for our clients.

An official announcement via the media, internet and at sales' points will be made by Resaplus during the week of 2 August.

Thank you for your patience and your comprehension.


Resaplus SA

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Reply #36 posted 08/03/10 6:08am

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Some extra souvernir...

These appeared on the Stade de Geneve exterior:

replace

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Reply #37 posted 08/12/10 6:23am

funky75

http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=105288766195471

Here is a group to bring resaplus to the situation that the send the money back!

pleas add this group. so we have a lot of power!!! inform everybody about the group

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Reply #38 posted 08/12/10 6:24am

funky75

kamparino said:

I think I'll write to the federal consumer affair bureau (http://www.konsum.admin.c...ml?lang=en)

I've got always an answer from them (more polite than resaplus...): let's see what they suggest to do in this case. Probably they will try to contact directly resaplus in order to have some more information.

I'll keep you updated...or it would be better if you write them too...

Ciao!

i have answer that his site can't do anything.

just boycott resaplus and add to the facebook group to have power!

just together we have the power!!!

http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=105288766195471

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Reply #39 posted 08/24/10 10:16pm

udo

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Any updates about the supposed attempts of Daniel S Q. to organise the concert?

What are the contact details for Daniel S Q.?

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Reply #40 posted 08/27/10 6:51am

udo

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http://www.resaplus.ch/portal/en/news/news/latest/2434/prince_communication.html

translation to english by GOOG:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.resaplus.ch%2Fportal%2Fen%2Fnews%2Fnews%2Flatest%2F2434%2Fprince_communication.html&sl=fr&tl=en

PRINCE - Communication

Friday, Aug 27 2010
COMMUNICATION

PRINCE : conservez vos billets !



A ce jour, Resaplus est encore dans l’attente d’une décision formelle des organisateurs du fameux concert de Prince déjà reporté.

Celle-ci devrait intervenir tout prochainement nous dit-on, et les possesseurs des billets pourraient alors soit utiliser leur sésame pour une nouvelle date, soit se faire rembourser en cas d’annulation définitive, dès que le feu vert de la production nous sera officiellement donné.

C’est la procédure habituelle pour toute manifestation annulée ou reportée, cela est toujours le cas tout au long de l’année depuis nos 10 ans d’existence, et Resaplus n’a jamais failli à cette obligation immédiate dès lors que tout est clair.

Or pour l'instant Resaplus est soumise à la volonté et aux décisions des organisateurs de ce concert de Prince, et sans instruction précise et définitive de leur part nous ne sommes pas en mesure d’annuler une manifestation, cela étant uniquement du ressort des organisateurs.

Encore merci pour votre patience, nous saurons nous faire pardonner pour cet incident si pénible et totalement exceptionnel.

Nous vous tiendrons informés aussitôt qu’une solution apparaîtra, nous nous battons chaque jour pour cela soyez-en assurés.


Très cordialement,

RESAPLUS SA
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Reply #41 posted 08/27/10 6:54am

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English as translated by GOOG:

PRINCE - Communication

Friday, Aug 27 2010
COMMUNICATION

PRINCE: Keep your ticket!


To date, Resaplus is still awaiting a formal decision by the organizers of the famous concert Prince already postponed.
This should occur soon we are told, and holders of Notes could then either use their ticket to a new date or a refund for cancellations final, once the green light for production, we will officially given.
This is the usual procedure for all events canceled or postponed, it is always the case throughout the year since our 10 year history, and Resaplus has never failed to do so immediately when everything is clear .
But for now Resaplus is subject to the will and decisions of the organizers of this concert for Prince, without specific instruction from them and ultimately we are not able to cancel an event, it is only the responsibility of the organizers .
Again thank you for your patience, we will forgive us for this incident so painful and wholly exceptional.
We will keep you informed as soon as a solution will appear, we fight every day for it you can be assured.


Très cordialement, Sincerely,

RESAPLUS SA Resaplus SA

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Reply #42 posted 08/28/10 10:17am

Stella06

I just received an answer from the FRC (Fedération Romande des Consommateur), the association in charge of defending consummer's rights in Switzerland.

They had contact with Mr. Grandjean of Resaplus and confirm that negociations are still ongoing. They are pressurizing REsaplus so that we can get a clear answer next week. They are willing to take matters a step further if Resaplus doesn't keep their commitment. In other words, they are ready to support us if Resaplus are just playing with time, so that people get discouraged.

Write to them if you want to make sure you get your money back:

http://www.frc.ch/

Or

Fédération romande des Consommateurs
A l'att. de Mme Valérie Muster
Case postale 6151
Rue de Genève 17
1002 Lausanne (Suisse)

Join a copy of your ticket and the receipt if you paid by credit card.

By the way, I'm sure Prince will play in Geneva soon wink

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Reply #43 posted 08/28/10 10:52am

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Stella06 said:

I just received an answer from the FRC (Fedération Romande des Consommateur), the association in charge of defending consummer's rights in Switzerland.

They had contact with Mr. Grandjean of Resaplus and confirm that negociations are still ongoing. They are pressurizing REsaplus so that we can get a clear answer next week. They are willing to take matters a step further if Resaplus doesn't keep their commitment. In other words, they are ready to support us if Resaplus are just playing with time, so that people get discouraged.

Write to them if you want to make sure you get your money back:

Thanks for the info.

Can I do this via email as well, via info @ frc.ch?

I doubt that Resaplus can pressure mr Daniel S. Q. (Larger than Live etc) as he is unable to pay and wants to postpone c.q. delay as long as he can. Also: Daniel has to deal with Prince's 'management' (not the French people) so that might be a challenge all by itself. (see the Croke Park happenings)

As we don't hear anything firm about european shows, apart from a few rumoured dates, I will not yet hold my breath. (presales should start soon if they plan these shows wisely)

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Reply #44 posted 08/29/10 4:20pm

Stella06

@ Udo: yes, I guess so.

I did send a fax.

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Reply #45 posted 08/31/10 1:46am

kamparino

Hi !

Following Stella 06' suggestion, yeaterday I wrote an email to http://www.frc.ch/ and today I've just received the following answer from them...shortly they are putting pressure on resaplus in order to try to solve the issue in the fastest way.

Bonjour, Suite à notre courrier à Resaplus, la soussignée a eu plusieurs longs entretiens téléphoniques avec M. Olivier Grandjean, directeur de cette société. Il ressort desdits entretiens que les tractations menées par l’organisateur sont toujours en cours. Votre billet garde toute sa valeur, même si actuellement il ne vous donne droit qu’à un report de date. Si le concert est définitivement annulé il vous donnera droit à un remboursement. Donc à l’heure actuelle rien n’est perdu et tant que les discussions ne s’enlisent pas et que l’organisateur ne s’évapore pas dans la nature, tout reste possible. Comme l’ont déjà expliqué les médias, ainsi que la billetterie, tout dépend de la décision de l’organisateur : annulation du concert ou nouveau report de dates L’objectif visé par notre courrier à Resaplus était de débloquer le plus rapidement la situation en faisant pression sur les acteurs de ce fiasco, pour qu’une date soit fixée ou alors que les billets vous soient remboursés dans les plus brefs délais.. Lors de l’entretien téléphonique, nous avons ainsi demandé à Resaplus de : - Mettre la pression sur les organisateurs pour qu’ils décident dans les plus brefs délais, si le concert est annulé ou si ce n’est pas le cas, fixer une date et un lieu en y apportant toutes les garanties de fiabilité.- Envisager et le cas échéant entreprendre toutes les démarches judiciaires envers les organisateurs que ce soit sur un plan civil (mauvaise exécution du contrat, enrichissement illégitime) ou sur un plan pénal (abus de confiance ?)- Informer de manière continue les consommateurs sur l’avancement du dossier Toutes ces mesures ont été acceptées par M. Grandjean et certaines déjà mises en application (cf communiqué sur le site de Resaplus : http://www.resaplus.ch/po...tion.html) Compte tenu des tractations en cours, nous referons le point avec Resaplus courant de la semaine prochaine. Si nous devions constater que la situation ne devait pas évoluer, nous envisagerions de regrouper les victimes pour faire pression sur les organisateurs afin qu’une issue rapide soit trouvée (remboursement ou nouvelle date avec garantie) Nous allons également veiller à ce que ce genre de mésaventure soit évitée à l’avenir en prenant contact avec les principales billetteries de Suisse. IL n’est en effet pas acceptable que ce soit le consommateur qui doive supporter les défaillances dans l’organisation d’un spectacle et les conséquences financières consécutives. Pour ce faire, une règlementation plus protectrice du consommateur lors d’annulation ou de report du concert nous apparaît comme étant indispensable compte tenu des fréquentes annulations observées ces derniers mois dans le monde du spectacle. Rendre obligatoire la conclusion d’une assurance à la charge de la billetterie ou de l’organisateur couvrant le remboursement des billets en cas d’annulation ou de report de dates pourrait être une solution.Si l’un des destinataires connaît d’autres personnes dans la même situation ou fait partie du groupe FACEBOOK, nous lui serions gré de leur transmettre les présentes informations.Recevez nos meilleures salutations. Valérie MusterResponsable de la Permanence FRC Conseil______________________________________________________________________________________________Fédération romande des consommateurs (FRC) et son journal FRC Magazine, indépendant et sans publicitéCase postale 6151 - Rue de Genève 17 - 1002 Lausanne (Suisse) - Membre : 0848 575 105 Non-membre : 0900 575 105 (2.85fr/min, depuis le réseau fixe) de 9h à 13h sauf le jeudi de 13h à 17h FRC - 1959-2009 En avance depuis 50 ans.Soutenez la protection des consommateurs en devenant membre de la FRC et accédez à l'intégralité de notre site www.frc.ch

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Reply #46 posted 09/10/10 8:01am

kamparino

Hi to all !

As I (or we) supposed, the possibility to be reimbursed by the organization or to attend to a rescheduled concert is very limited...

I've just received an email from the "Fédération romande des consommateurs" asking me to send back to them a sort of delegation/attorney in order to entitle the Federation itself to start a legal litigation vs the organization of the concert.

I've asked the federation if this can cause for us to pay some money for their support (I don't think so: it is a "public" organization created to defend customers' rights...) just because I don't want to pay more than what I can recover...

As soon as they confirm that their assistance is "free of charge" I'll send them the "procurement".

Here below what they have written to me:

Bonjour, Nous sommes retournés aux nouvelles auprès de Resaplus. Il ressort de la discussion que nous avons eu avec M. Grandjean que plus aucun contact n’a pu être établi avec l’organisateur (M. Quarcoopome et la société Larger than Live), malgré les dernières promesses faites par celui-ci. Nous allons dès lors adresser une mise en demeure formelle à l’organisateur et à la fiduciaire de l’époque (basée à Genève) pour leur demander de se prononcer dans un court délai sur un remboursement ou un report de date (bien que plus personne n’y croit). Pour ce faire, nous aurions eu besoin de la légitimation de certains d’entre vous pour agir en votre nom. Auriez-vous dès lors l’amabilité de nous retourner la procuration ci-jointe remplie et signée pour que nous puissions la joindre à notre courrier. Veuillez l’adresser au nom de la soussignée, le mieux étant de nous la faire parvenir par mail en la scannant ou par fax (021 331 00 91), car nous avons l’intention d’envoyer le courrier en début de semaine. Les dix prochains jours seront en effet très importants pour le règlement rapide ou non de ce dossier.Recevez nos meilleures salutations.Valérie Muster, responsable de la permanencePermanence FRC Conseil______________________________________________________________________________________________Fédération romande des consommateurs (FRC) et son journal FRC Magazine, indépendant et sans publicitéCase postale 6151 - Rue de Genève 17 - 1002 Lausanne (Suisse) - Membre : 0848 575 105 Non-membre : 0900 575 105 (2.85fr/min, depuis le réseau fixe) de 9h à 13h sauf le jeudi de 13h à 17h FRC - 1959-2009 En avance depuis 50 ans.Soutenez la protection des consommateurs en devenant membre de la FRC et accédez à l'intégralité de notre site www.frc.chP Pensez à l'environnement avant d'imprimer ce mail

and here below the "procurement":

PROCURATION

L soussigné , , domicilié à , donne mandat à Mme Valérie Muster, juriste auprès de la Fédération romande des consommateurs à Lausanne, aux fins de l représenter et d’agir en son nom dans le cadre du litige qui l’oppose à l’organisateur du concert de Prince au Stade de la Praille.

La présente procuration comporte les pouvoirs de faire tous actes jugés utiles à l’accomplissement du mandat, en particulier d’agir par toutes voies amiables pour le compte d mandant et de l représenter valablement auprès des tiers.

Ainsi fait à , le

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Reply #47 posted 09/11/10 9:53am

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kamparino

Thanks for the info. This is not looking good confused Anyway, as soon as you have posted Ms. Muster answer regarding retribution, I will send in the "procuration". It's very much appreciated that you have kept us updated!!

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Reply #48 posted 09/12/10 3:13am

eireboy34

I'm no legal expert but usally you have a issue with the entity that gave you a service ( ie a shop). The shop refunds the customer if there is an issue and they in turn go after their supplier. Am I missing omething here???
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Reply #49 posted 09/12/10 9:11pm

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eireboy34 said:

I'm no legal expert but usally you have a issue with the entity that gave you a service ( ie a shop). The shop refunds the customer if there is an issue and they in turn go after their supplier. Am I missing omething here???

Yes.
See the first page of this thread.
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Reply #50 posted 09/13/10 12:03am

kamparino

HI !

Just received from the Fédération romande des Consommateurs the confirmation that at this stage their support is free of charge. If you have received from them the request to send back a "procuration" please do it...I just did it. Ciao!

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Reply #51 posted 09/15/10 7:08am

Bootsy16

Today in 20min (newspaper here in Switzerland)

Resaplus complaint an offence to this Mr. Daniel Quarcoopome. Hopefully we get our money...even better we get Prince...

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Reply #52 posted 09/15/10 8:10pm

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Bootsy16 said:

Today in 20min (newspaper here in Switzerland)

Resaplus complaint an offence to this Mr. Daniel Quarcoopome. Hopefully we get our money...even better we get Prince...

http://www.20min.ch/news/schweiz/story/12728265

?

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