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Printable mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said: Flo6 said: Towards the end of the article the reporter writes:
"Humor has never been a strong suit of Prince’s, so hearing him sing “She begged my Aunt Gertrude/She even begged my Uncle Jake/She even tried to beg the sweetness out of my grandma’s lemon cake” was a pleasant shock." Where has he been??! New York Times, if you need a Prince critic/concert reviewer, you can call me. 4 real.  think a fan would give a better review than just some n/p reporter.  thinz they noez P better, seen better fan reviewz.  Whut if they got hiz name wrong in tha article?
Right, so instead of an objective report of a concert we should hire a fan to do the reviews and get a load of "OMG!!!111 Prince is like the best ever!!!!!111" A reviewer like that would not keep their job long. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Portia said: viewaskew said: So he'd been doing the same "joke" since the Lovesexy aftershows? It's also heard on the Small Club bootleg. Same setlist for three years. Same jokes for 3 years. No wonder the reviewer isn't surprised by Prince. Hi hater! It's good to see maturity is alive and well in the Prince forums...
I couldn't help but ntoice your profile says that you're 31. How about trying acting like it? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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What matters most to me with regards to the quality of the report, is not whether it's a positive or negative review - the reviewer is entitled to have his/her opinion - what matters is if it's a knowledgeable one, and it's not.
That guy doesn't know anything about Prince, [and who knows, maybe even music generally], and therefore should not have been given the assignment. But as I found out myself about the NYT if you want to work for them, it's not what you know, but whom you know that counts. Would you like me to tell you about Mr. Foreign Affairs Expert Thomas Friedman, a regular NYT columnist, and how he got to write about some summit on Russia and Russian affairs during his visit to Moscow last year, after having not visited the country for a WHOPPING 11 YEARS - not me, you see, or the dozens of other struggling freelance writers/Moscow journalists who have been living in the country experiencing daily the harsh conditions of life in Russia - and who therefore know what they are talking about. Friedman's report, like this concert reviewer's, was full of outdated comments and clear signs that he was completely out of touch with Russia's development over the past few years. I'm just curious, how much did he and this Prince concert reviewer got paid for their sloppy work. I guess the reviewer just accepted the assignment, but it's his editors/the management who is at fault. NYT: YOU SUCK. manray10 said: This is actually one of the most positive reviews that I have seen for a Prince concert in the New York Times. I remember some horrible reviews for Prince's Avery Fisher Hall show on April 10, 2002 as well a a clueless take on Prince, Chaka And Larry Graham at Irving Plaza in April 1998. | |
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Flo6 said: What matters most to me with regards to the quality of the report, is not whether it's a positive or negative review - the reviewer is entitled to have his/her opinion - what matters is if it's a knowledgeable one, and it's not.
That guy doesn't know anything about Prince, [and who knows, maybe even music generally], and therefore should not have been given the assignment. But as I found out myself about the NYT if you want to work for them, it's not what you know, but whom you know that counts. Would you like me to tell you about Mr. Foreign Affairs Expert Thomas Friedman, a regular NYT columnist, and how he got to write about some summit on Russia and Russian affairs during his visit to Moscow last year, after having not visited the country for a WHOPPING 11 YEARS - not me, you see, or the dozens of other struggling freelance writers/Moscow journalists who have been living in the country experiencing daily the harsh conditions of life in Russia - and who therefore know what they are talking about. Friedman's report, like this concert reviewer's, was full of outdated comments and clear signs that he was completely out of touch with Russia's development over the past few years. I'm just curious, how much did he and this Prince concert reviewer got paid for their sloppy work. I guess the reviewer just accepted the assignment, but it's his editors/the management who is at fault. NYT: YOU SUCK. manray10 said: This is actually one of the most positive reviews that I have seen for a Prince concert in the New York Times. I remember some horrible reviews for Prince's Avery Fisher Hall show on April 10, 2002 as well a a clueless take on Prince, Chaka And Larry Graham at Irving Plaza in April 1998. Saying this guy probably doesn't know anything about music is a pretty broad statement. Obviously if he's not swinging off Prince's nutsack, he must not know anything. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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... which is why I put it in brackets. What I can see for sure is that he doesn't know about Prince, his article shows clear signs of being out of touch.
Like I said, I wouldn't mind a negative review as long as it's a knowledgeable one. If the reviewer doesn't happen to be a fan, he could at least then have done his homework and the background research that reporting/writing requires. [At least you would think it does at a paper like the NYT]. meow85 said: Flo6 said: What matters most to me with regards to the quality of the report, is not whether it's a positive or negative review - the reviewer is entitled to have his/her opinion - what matters is if it's a knowledgeable one, and it's not.
That guy doesn't know anything about Prince, [and who knows, maybe even music generally], and therefore should not have been given the assignment. But as I found out myself about the NYT if you want to work for them, it's not what you know, but whom you know that counts. Would you like me to tell you about Mr. Foreign Affairs Expert Thomas Friedman, a regular NYT columnist, and how he got to write about some summit on Russia and Russian affairs during his visit to Moscow last year, after having not visited the country for a WHOPPING 11 YEARS - not me, you see, or the dozens of other struggling freelance writers/Moscow journalists who have been living in the country experiencing daily the harsh conditions of life in Russia - and who therefore know what they are talking about. Friedman's report, like this concert reviewer's, was full of outdated comments and clear signs that he was completely out of touch with Russia's development over the past few years. I'm just curious, how much did he and this Prince concert reviewer got paid for their sloppy work. I guess the reviewer just accepted the assignment, but it's his editors/the management who is at fault. NYT: YOU SUCK. Saying this guy probably doesn't know anything about music is a pretty broad statement. Obviously if he's not swinging off Prince's nutsack, he must not know anything. | |
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2elijah said:[quote] viewaskew said: So what's your point? I mean really, what is it? So this means the writer can't be wrong because he writes for the NYT? It's obvious the guy was surprised at Prince's humor because.. he apparently never attended enough shows to know that Prince displays his humor at many of his shows. Secondly, no one actually said the entire report was negative. People was just surprised that the writer apparently never seen Prince display humor at many of his shows. viewaakew: It's more likely that Prince is not all things to all people. Especially outside of the narrow confines of this web site. Prince can have flashes of humor, but he can also be heavy-handed & flat. Humor doesn't often work its way into his music. You sound like you just opened a can of hateration soup complete with a side order of angry noodles.  You're entitled to your opinion though, but others don't feel the same as you;as you just contradicted yourself with your own statement, while preaching to others that "Prince is not all things to all people." Well, didn't you realize that when you read the opinions of others on this thread? It's obvious just like you, we all felt differently about the writer's opinion regarding Prince's humor.
[Edited 10/13/08 19:10pm] You assume quite a bit. And you know what they say about people who make ASSumptions... Or maybe I'm wrong & you know exactly how many Prince shows this writer has been to? You can blather on, but what is clear from the responses on this thread is what happens anytime anyone has something even marginally negative to say about your hero: you whine & question their right to live & breathe. It's pathetic, borderline obsessive behavior. You might think Prince is so funny that he should have his own comedy special on HBO. You would be wrong. Thank God you don't write for The New York Times. | |
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viewaskew said: 2elijah said: You sound like you just opened a can of hateration soup complete with a side order of angry noodles. You're entitled to your opinion though, but others don't feel the same as you;as you just contradicted yourself with your own statement, while preaching to others that "Prince is not all things to all people." Well, didn't you realize that when you read the opinions of others on this thread? It's obvious just like you, we all felt differently about the writer's opinion regarding Prince's humor.
[Edited 10/13/08 19:10pm] You assume quite a bit. And you know what they say about people who make ASSumptions... And you seemed normal for like a whole sentence or so, there. I mean, you typed "you" & not "u." Until you hit on the whole "hateration soup" thing, I mean. Or maybe I'm wrong & you know exactly how many Prince shows this writer has been to? You can blather on, but what is clear from the responses on this thread is what happens anytime anyone has something even marginally negative to say about your hero: you whine & question their right to live & breathe. It's pathetic, borderline obsessive behavior. You might think Prince is so funny that he should have his own comedy special on HBO. You would be wrong. Thank God you don't write for The New York Times. | |
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Portia said: viewaskew said: So he'd been doing the same "joke" since the Lovesexy aftershows? It's also heard on the Small Club bootleg. Same setlist for three years. Same jokes for 3 years. No wonder the reviewer isn't surprised by Prince. Hi hater! Hi sycophant! | |
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All the critics "love" u in New York. "LOVE YOURSELF AS ALL PEOPLE" | |
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prince's biggest enemy is his fans | |
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7e7e7 said: prince's biggest enemy is his fans
The ones that kiss his ass non-stop, yes. I love Prince, but I am sane enough not to worship the ground he walks on. Nor would I suggest that a reporter is inept because they gave a review of a show that wasn't perfect. Face it, kids. Not everyone is a Prince fan, and that's okay. It's not this person's job to attend every single Prince show and follow his career slavishly. It's his job to review concerts, and that's what he did. I thought he gave a pretty glowing review as it is. Where's the problem? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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viewaskew said:[quote] viewaskew said: You assume quite a bit. And you know what they say about people who make ASSumptions... And you seemed normal for like a whole sentence or so, there. I mean, you typed "you" & not "u." Until you hit on the whole "hateration soup" thing, I mean. Or maybe I'm wrong & you know exactly how many Prince shows this writer has been to? You can blather on, but what is clear from the responses on this thread is what happens anytime anyone has something even marginally negative to say about your hero: you whine & question their right to live & breathe. It's pathetic, borderline obsessive behavior. You might think Prince is so funny that he should have his own comedy special on HBO. You would be wrong. Thank God you don't write for The New York Times. Honestly, I usually don't cater to haters, and I don't really care what people assume or think of me if you don't know that by now. But just to note, it's always easy for someone such as yourself to be a bully or a coward behind a computer screen and yell insults at people because you're angry they don't agree with you isn't it?. You sound like a 15 year old school kid combing this thread, just to insult anyone that disagrees with you or has a positive opinion on Prince's performances. So really, who is the obsessive one attacking people on this thread over a writer's comments?
Some of us mainly commented on one or two lines of the report, but overall, it's not a bad review. Newsflash! He's a writer, which in his profession he expects "criticism" and I doubt he's losing any sleep over what he wrote. So really, what's the problem? Are we not allowed to comment on an article on Prince because you feel we need your permission to comment? If you don't agree then fine, but we are entitled to our opinion as well. That's the bottom line. Call us sheep, (baaaa-aaaa) , ass-kissers, (smooches), or whatever you want to give comfort to your ego, it won't take anything from anyone. I'm still smiling and sticking to my opinion as you should yours. Have a wonderful day, and try not to use most of your energy hating on others.[Edited 10/14/08 7:17am] | |
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meow85 said: Portia said: Hi hater! It's good to see maturity is alive and well in the Prince forums...
I couldn't help but ntoice your profile says that you're 31. How about trying acting like it? ----- So disagreeing makes you immature. Viewaskew is a hater and there is nothing wrong with saying so. He did not attend the show but refuses to take the positive reviews seriously despite that fact that people on this board are actually putting critical of Prince. For some strange reason he thinks “Status” has been a part of the set list for the last 3 years and that people would shell out $1,000.00 to hear unknown songs. The reviewer for the NYT does not know anything about P’s sense of humor which has been evident in his music and live shows for sometime now. | |
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the NYT reviewer probably knows as much about prince as the average schmoe on the street, and if that is the person the critic is writing for, then it's appropriate for them to only have a cursory interest or knowledge in the subject of the review. i wouldn't want Fammy McFammer to write the review, nor would i want Hatey Hateman to write it. if it were a review for a fan publication or fansite, it would be another story. even if it were for a more music-oriented publication, i could see the use in having a diehard fan (or dedicated anti-fan) write the review. but it's the new york times, whose average reader has no idea what "the grand progression" or "electric intercourse" means. | |
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Anxiety said: i wouldn't want Fammy McFammer to write the review, nor would i want Hatey Hateman to write it.
McFammer & Hateman. That's my favorite show on FoxNews! | |
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Anxiety said: the NYT reviewer probably knows as much about prince as the average schmoe on the street, and if that is the person the critic is writing for, then it's appropriate for them to only have a cursory interest or knowledge in the subject of the review. i wouldn't want Fammy McFammer to write the review, nor would i want Hatey Hateman to write it. if it were a review for a fan publication or fansite, it would be another story. even if it were for a more music-oriented publication, i could see the use in having a diehard fan (or dedicated anti-fan) write the review. but it's the new york times, whose average reader has no idea what "the grand progression" or "electric intercourse" means.
Imma change my name to Hatey Hateman."Plaid shorts are completely over." | |
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Did anyone hear Howard Stern's review of this show? He SAVAGED it. According to Stern (who was at the first show), Prince demanded to play *in the dark*, with the lights out. Apparently it was pitch black, so you couldn't seen the man play!
I dunno... to me, that sort of seems like a jerky thing to do. |
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CJBabyDaddy said: Anxiety said: i wouldn't want Fammy McFammer to write the review, nor would i want Hatey Hateman to write it.
McFammer & Hateman. That's my favorite show on FoxNews! | |
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GiggityGoo said: Did anyone hear Howard Stern's review of this show? He SAVAGED it. According to Stern (who was at the first show), Prince demanded to play *in the dark*, with the lights out. Apparently it was pitch black, so you couldn't seen the man play!
I dunno... to me, that sort of seems like a jerky thing to do. the only person who seemed to experience this total pitch dark prince show was howard stern. none of the people who wrote reviews on the .org seemed to think it was pitch black. anderson cooper didn't mention it being pitch black when he talked about the show on regis this week. i wonder if howard stern went to the same show as everyone else.  | |
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Anxiety said: GiggityGoo said: Did anyone hear Howard Stern's review of this show? He SAVAGED it. According to Stern (who was at the first show), Prince demanded to play *in the dark*, with the lights out. Apparently it was pitch black, so you couldn't seen the man play!
I dunno... to me, that sort of seems like a jerky thing to do. the only person who seemed to experience this total pitch dark prince show was howard stern. none of the people who wrote reviews on the .org seemed to think it was pitch black. anderson cooper didn't mention it being pitch black when he talked about the show on regis this week. i wonder if howard stern went to the same show as everyone else. Y'know, hearing Howard talk about it made me wonder if he went to the same show too. First, he thought only 20 people would be there. Then, he said when he got there it was more like 80 people. I wasn't at the early show, but there were about 200 people there, right? And yeah, none of the other reviews I've read have mentioned it being too dark to see. | |
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Efan said: Anxiety said: the only person who seemed to experience this total pitch dark prince show was howard stern. none of the people who wrote reviews on the .org seemed to think it was pitch black. anderson cooper didn't mention it being pitch black when he talked about the show on regis this week. i wonder if howard stern went to the same show as everyone else. Y'know, hearing Howard talk about it made me wonder if he went to the same show too. First, he thought only 20 people would be there. Then, he said when he got there it was more like 80 people. I wasn't at the early show, but there were about 200 people there, right? And yeah, none of the other reviews I've read have mentioned it being too dark to see. ----- Howard is a nut cake. | |
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2elijah said:[quote] viewaskew said: viewaskew said: You assume quite a bit. And you know what they say about people who make ASSumptions... And you seemed normal for like a whole sentence or so, there. I mean, you typed "you" & not "u." Until you hit on the whole "hateration soup" thing, I mean. Or maybe I'm wrong & you know exactly how many Prince shows this writer has been to? You can blather on, but what is clear from the responses on this thread is what happens anytime anyone has something even marginally negative to say about your hero: you whine & question their right to live & breathe. It's pathetic, borderline obsessive behavior. You might think Prince is so funny that he should have his own comedy special on HBO. You would be wrong. Thank God you don't write for The New York Times. Honestly, I usually don't cater to haters, and I don't really care what people assume or think of me if you don't know that by now. But just to note, it's always easy for someone such as yourself to be a bully or a coward behind a computer screen and yell insults at people because you're angry they don't agree with you isn't it?. You sound like a 15 year old school kid combing this thread, just to insult anyone that disagrees with you or has a positive opinion on Prince's performances. So really, who is the obsessive one attacking people on this thread over a writer's comments?
Some of us mainly commented on one or two lines of the report, but overall, it's not a bad review. Newsflash! He's a writer, which in his profession he expects "criticism" and I doubt he's losing any sleep over what he wrote. So really, what's the problem? Are we not allowed to comment on an article on Prince because you feel we need your permission to comment? If you don't agree then fine, but we are entitled to our opinion as well. That's the bottom line. Call us sheep, (baaaa-aaaa) , ass-kissers, (smooches), or whatever you want to give comfort to your ego, it won't take anything from anyone. I'm still smiling and sticking to my opinion as you should yours. Have a wonderful day, and try not to use most of your energy hating on others.
[Edited 10/14/08 7:17am] I looked at what you wrote: "You sound like you just opened a can of hateration soup complete with a side order of angry noodles." And thought, are you a fucking 6 year old? You're entitled to your opinion though, but others don't feel the same as you;as you just contradicted yourself with your own statement, while preaching to others that "Prince is not all things to all people." How am I contradicting myself exactly? I am aware that this site is full little Prince lackeys, as several posted before & since. It's the same thing all the time whenever someone attacks Prince. Jamie Foxx said something bad about him, so Jamie Foxx is an asshole. So did Howard Stern. Let's attack him! Now, some NY Times writer? He clearly doesn't know what he's talking about! Who's next? It's pathetic. Someone must be putting extra grain in the silo, because all of you sheep are so full of shit. | |
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viewaskew said: 2elijah said: Honestly, I usually don't cater to haters, and I don't really care what people assume or think of me if you don't know that by now. But just to note, it's always easy for someone such as yourself to be a bully or a coward behind a computer screen and yell insults at people because you're angry they don't agree with you isn't it?. You sound like a 15 year old school kid combing this thread, just to insult anyone that disagrees with you or has a positive opinion on Prince's performances. So really, who is the obsessive one attacking people on this thread over a writer's comments?
Some of us mainly commented on one or two lines of the report, but overall, it's not a bad review. Newsflash! He's a writer, which in his profession he expects "criticism" and I doubt he's losing any sleep over what he wrote. So really, what's the problem? Are we not allowed to comment on an article on Prince because you feel we need your permission to comment? If you don't agree then fine, but we are entitled to our opinion as well. That's the bottom line. Call us sheep, (baaaa-aaaa) , ass-kissers, (smooches), or whatever you want to give comfort to your ego, it won't take anything from anyone. I'm still smiling and sticking to my opinion as you should yours. Have a wonderful day, and try not to use most of your energy hating on others.
[Edited 10/14/08 7:17am] I looked at what you wrote: "You sound like you just opened a can of hateration soup complete with a side order of angry noodles." And thought, are you a fucking 6 year old? You're entitled to your opinion though, but others don't feel the same as you;as you just contradicted yourself with your own statement, while preaching to others that "Prince is not all things to all people." How am I contradicting myself exactly? I am aware that this site is full little Prince lackeys, as several posted before & since. It's the same thing all the time whenever someone attacks Prince. Jamie Foxx said something bad about him, so Jamie Foxx is an asshole. So did Howard Stern. Let's attack him! Now, some NY Times writer? He clearly doesn't know what he's talking about! Who's next? It's pathetic. Someone must be putting extra grain in the silo, because all of you sheep are so full of shit. Our opinions annoy you, but yet you are still here trying to control it. What exactly is your problem or should I say vendetta? Seriously, you really need to chill. .[Edited 10/14/08 11:35am] | |
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Thanx nice review would "b" even better if u had pics, oh well!  | |
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Prince has a wonderful sense of humor,I have always liked that about him. | |
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All I know is that Prince isn't funny. At all.  | |
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Some of u guys are jumping off the bridge here...The NYT writer saying that he was surprised that Prince had a sense of humor is not grounds for saying he knows nothing about the man or music for that matter...lol
I swear...some of yall are living up to the same ol' Prince fan sterotype we have to deal with: humorless... It was a very positive review...What else do you want the man to say? That Prince is God? Wow... | |
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Fauxie said: All I know is that Prince isn't funny. At all.
you got that right. i will never forget the first prince afterparty i attended, when he got up on stage at 3am and did nothing but talk about canine arthritis for at least two hours straight.  | |
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GiggityGoo said: Did anyone hear Howard Stern's review of this show? He SAVAGED it. According to Stern (who was at the first show), Prince demanded to play *in the dark*, with the lights out. Apparently it was pitch black, so you couldn't seen the man play!
I dunno... to me, that sort of seems like a jerky thing to do. He didn't savage it...lol...He actually said the "performance" was dope... As u noted, he went on a tirade about there not being enough light onstage and Prince insisting that the lights be turned down during part of his performance... BTW...Stern was full of shit on this one...lol... | |
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Anxiety said: Fauxie said: All I know is that Prince isn't funny. At all.
you got that right. i will never forget the first prince afterparty i attended, when he got up on stage at 3am and did nothing but talk about canine arthritis for at least two hours straight.
"how many wanna stay on their paws tho..." | |
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