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Reply #240 posted 06/11/08 9:25pm

Flo6

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Who did the Irish Times personally spoke to? This piece squarely puts the blame on Prince without having done the basic reporting job of talking to the people involved [at MCD, etc]. "MCD is said to be" and "one industry source said" don't count.







daibhi said:

Irish Times article places the blame with Prince, see below:



"PRINCE HAS cancelled his Croke Park show next Monday without an explanation for his fans or concert promoters MCD.

Prince's management informed MCD of the decision in the early hours of yesterday. Although rumours had been circulating for days that the notoriously volatile star, who turned 50 this week, was about to cancel, MCD believed the concert was still on as late as Monday afternoon.

Though officially MCD are stating that the cancellation was due to circumstances "beyond the control" of either themselves or Prince, it is understood the decision was down to Prince himself.

MCD is said to be furious with Prince's decision, especially given that the scheduled date is just five days away and the promoter is likely to lose thousands of euro as a result of the cancellation.

MCD said more than 55,000 tickets were sold for the event, which had a capacity of 62,000. The firm said rumours of poor ticket sales were well off the mark.

"The stage was being built, everything was in place for it. The concert was on course to be sold out. It has nothing to do with money or contracts. The guy's just being a superstar. He just didn't want to do it," said one industry source.

MCD will hope to recover the booking deposit from Prince without having to go to litigation, which could take years.

Prince has a reputation for regularly cancelling shows. His only other European shows on the tour, in Paris and Milan, were cancelled several months ago.

Uniquely among major artists, he does not have an official website to offer an explanation to fans.

Long-suffering fans were scathing about his decision on various websites. "People went out of their way for Prince, and we have pretty much been treated like s**t . . . how rude of him and his people." Another wrote: "I'm fed up defending you (Prince). You don't care about anyone but yourself. Just do us a favour and retire," while a third wrote: "There's no way Prince can let down 80,000 fans (sic), but my God, he did."

The cancellation will seriously inconvenience UK fans who were due to travel for the only show in Britain or Ireland that the artist was scheduled to do this year.

Ticket holders, who paid between €66.50 and €125.50, excluding handling fees, can obtain a full refund including booking fee from their Ticketmaster point of purchase from 9am on Friday.

It is not the first time that MCD has been let down by a volatile star. Eminem cancelled his concert at Slane in 2005 citing "exhaustion", and MCD, which claimed losses of €2.1 million from that cancellation, had to make an out of court settlement with three insurance companies as a result.

Croke Park stadium director Peter McKenna said they were as mystified about the cancellation as everybody else. "It is a temperamental business and artists and performers are probably the most temperamental," he said. "We're annoyed and disappointed. There is a huge amount of planning that has gone into that . . .There are knock-on effects all the way down and suppliers have to cancel orders and a lot of people who were due to work that night will now have to cancel."
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Reply #241 posted 06/11/08 10:15pm

Flo6

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It may look silly and dumb to you for Prince to stay silent, but the cancellation is a business decision, and from a business perspective - and you can add a legal one - I believe he doesn't owe his fans an explanation. On an emotional level, sure, but not on a business/legal one.

The Russian embassy does not have to give any explanation when it refuses an entry visa to an applicant, despite the financial and emotional trauma such a rejection may cause to the applicant. That's because it's a legal/business decision.

Btw, I think it's actually more clever of Prince to remain silent and watch how things develop.









prisberg said:

Flo6 said:

My thoughts go to all those who had invested in- and expected so much from this concert. I myself flew twice from Moscow to London last year to see him, so I realize how much is being mobilized to make one's 'little musical dreams' come true.

Having said this, we still don't know what the real reasons are. And I doubt Prince took the decision lightly.
Also, we cannot reasonably expect him to be responsible for our own decisions and how we manage our financial affairs - and that includes booking non-refundable fares and hotel rooms.

My take on all this, is that as an artist, he really doesn't owe us anything.


REALLY?!!!!! I think he needs a new director of information and PR. Not 2 give a reason for canceling a show with 55 000 wildly expecting crowd, is really a dumb and stupid act. Yes, sure...there might be illness or other serious things that made him cancel. But they should make an official statement. They don´t have 2 tell exactly what, but yes he DO OWE us more information than a statemant from MCD that says nada. This event is actually a big concert event in the whole of europe this summer. The press in most contrys has coverd this event. Again...really silly not 2 release some sort of official information. There will just be a lot of speculations, rumours and bad feelings not doing this correct and proffessionel. He is a superstar - not a guitarplayer with a mouthorgan playing pubs. He choose his proffesion himself and wants 2 make money outta it all. With this choice, also follows presshandeling etc. Yes he is a musical genious and an artist. BUT also a businessman! (Mmmmm felt good to spell out some after yesterdays dissapointment wink
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Reply #242 posted 06/12/08 12:09am

remko

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Flo6 said:

Who did the Irish Times personally spoke to? This piece squarely puts the blame on Prince without having done the basic reporting job of talking to the people involved [at MCD, etc]. "MCD is said to be" and "one industry source said" don't count.







daibhi said:

Irish Times article places the blame with Prince, see below:



"PRINCE HAS cancelled his Croke Park show next Monday without an explanation for his fans or concert promoters MCD.

Prince's management informed MCD of the decision in the early hours of yesterday. Although rumours had been circulating for days that the notoriously volatile star, who turned 50 this week, was about to cancel, MCD believed the concert was still on as late as Monday afternoon.

Though officially MCD are stating that the cancellation was due to circumstances "beyond the control" of either themselves or Prince, it is understood the decision was down to Prince himself.

MCD is said to be furious with Prince's decision, especially given that the scheduled date is just five days away and the promoter is likely to lose thousands of euro as a result of the cancellation.

MCD said more than 55,000 tickets were sold for the event, which had a capacity of 62,000. The firm said rumours of poor ticket sales were well off the mark.

"The stage was being built, everything was in place for it. The concert was on course to be sold out. It has nothing to do with money or contracts. The guy's just being a superstar. He just didn't want to do it," said one industry source.

MCD will hope to recover the booking deposit from Prince without having to go to litigation, which could take years.

Prince has a reputation for regularly cancelling shows. His only other European shows on the tour, in Paris and Milan, were cancelled several months ago.

Uniquely among major artists, he does not have an official website to offer an explanation to fans.

Long-suffering fans were scathing about his decision on various websites. "People went out of their way for Prince, and we have pretty much been treated like s**t . . . how rude of him and his people." Another wrote: "I'm fed up defending you (Prince). You don't care about anyone but yourself. Just do us a favour and retire," while a third wrote: "There's no way Prince can let down 80,000 fans (sic), but my God, he did."

The cancellation will seriously inconvenience UK fans who were due to travel for the only show in Britain or Ireland that the artist was scheduled to do this year.

Ticket holders, who paid between €66.50 and €125.50, excluding handling fees, can obtain a full refund including booking fee from their Ticketmaster point of purchase from 9am on Friday.

It is not the first time that MCD has been let down by a volatile star. Eminem cancelled his concert at Slane in 2005 citing "exhaustion", and MCD, which claimed losses of €2.1 million from that cancellation, had to make an out of court settlement with three insurance companies as a result.

Croke Park stadium director Peter McKenna said they were as mystified about the cancellation as everybody else. "It is a temperamental business and artists and performers are probably the most temperamental," he said. "We're annoyed and disappointed. There is a huge amount of planning that has gone into that . . .There are knock-on effects all the way down and suppliers have to cancel orders and a lot of people who were due to work that night will now have to cancel."


Prince has a reputation for regularly cancelling shows. ? He does? i thougt that was Amy Winehouse.
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Reply #243 posted 06/12/08 12:20am

skipper1958

remko said:

Flo6 said:

Who did the Irish Times personally spoke to? This piece squarely puts the blame on Prince without having done the basic reporting job of talking to the people involved [at MCD, etc]. "MCD is said to be" and "one industry source said" don't count.









Prince has a reputation for regularly cancelling shows. ? He does? i thougt that was Amy Winehouse.

and Pete Doherty... Coldplay cancelled some shows the other day, I haven't found a linch mob after them yet- just Prince gets that 'lucky' response from his fans.
Prince isn't a star- he's an event. NME Paolo Hewitt.
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Reply #244 posted 06/12/08 12:33am

xenophobia2002

skipper1958 said:

remko said:



Prince has a reputation for regularly cancelling shows. ? He does? i thougt that was Amy Winehouse.

and Pete Doherty... Coldplay cancelled some shows the other day, I haven't found a linch mob after them yet- just Prince gets that 'lucky' response from his fans.


There is a big difference between cancelling and rescheduling (like Coldplay)
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Reply #245 posted 06/12/08 12:42am

skipper1958

xenophobia2002 said:

skipper1958 said:


and Pete Doherty... Coldplay cancelled some shows the other day, I haven't found a linch mob after them yet- just Prince gets that 'lucky' response from his fans.


There is a big difference between cancelling and rescheduling (like Coldplay)

well actually, Coldplay rescheduled some shows, not all, and by the way, the announcement for Prince's show says it is to be re-scheduled too...
Prince isn't a star- he's an event. NME Paolo Hewitt.
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Reply #246 posted 06/12/08 1:00am

geo4you

Mary J. Blige.
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Reply #247 posted 06/12/08 1:13am

serpan99

So Prince was in a situation he didn't want himself...he couldn't talk about the Dublin concert, he couldn't announce that he cancelled it, he couldn't do anything out of fear 4 legal actions against him? But...didn't he get himself in such a situation??

He must know the tricks of the trade with promotors, how come he wasn't better protected 4 such issues with the team of well respected lawyers he got? Not a word came from Prince about the Dublin concert, while he knew 55000 fans were buying tickets since february up till last weekend. While he knew he wasn't going 2 perform in Dublin anytime soon....

Why did he protect himself and not the fans buying tickets/travel arrangements, he didn't choose 2 announce that he cancelled it and face possible legal actions by the promotor? Wouldn't it have been possible 2 protect ticket buyers in a better way then it happened? And...was it really impossible 4 Prince 2 go ahead with the concert 2 avoid this mess?? There's over 55000 people who loose money...not even talking about the emotional impact this caused. Just some personal thoughts...as I find it a little 2 easy 2 say that Prince's hands were tied on his back. That doesn't really happen often in Prince-land right?




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Reply #248 posted 06/12/08 1:27am

prisberg

Flo6 said:

It may look silly and dumb to you for Prince to stay silent, but the cancellation is a business decision, and from a business perspective - and you can add a legal one - I believe he doesn't owe his fans an explanation. On an emotional level, sure, but not on a business/legal one.

The Russian embassy does not have to give any explanation when it refuses an entry visa to an applicant, despite the financial and emotional trauma such a rejection may cause to the applicant. That's because it's a legal/business decision.

Btw, I think it's actually more clever of Prince to remain silent and watch how things develop.



prisberg said:



REALLY?!!!!! I think he needs a new director of information and PR. Not 2 give a reason for canceling a show with 55 000 wildly expecting crowd, is really a dumb and stupid act. Yes, sure...there might be illness or other serious things that made him cancel. But they should make an official statement. They don´t have 2 tell exactly what, but yes he DO OWE us more information than a statemant from MCD that says nada. This event is actually a big concert event in the whole of europe this summer. The press in most contrys has coverd this event. Again...really silly not 2 release some sort of official information. There will just be a lot of speculations, rumours and bad feelings not doing this correct and proffessionel. He is a superstar - not a guitarplayer with a mouthorgan playing pubs. He choose his proffesion himself and wants 2 make money outta it all. With this choice, also follows presshandeling etc. Yes he is a musical genious and an artist. BUT also a businessman! (Mmmmm felt good to spell out some after yesterdays dissapointment wink


Sorry, but you are so wrong. Prince use the press, all sorts of media to sell his music. He is dependant of them. He promotes thru tv-shows, interviwes etc.... Thats how all artist do their marketing. If you choose to be in this business, you must expect to give something back. To compare a state, russia or simmilar and not to give reasons for visum etc... is so a totally wrong comparrison, how on earth can you do that?!!!!! eek Prince is a "commercial product" (like it or not). You just said so your self "business decision" = commercial. The Product is himself AND his music. Every proffesional knows (also goverments and other official offices), that you must give back info to the press to use them (Thats how it works). You gain nothing by just using. That is what he is doing now and therefor all the critics, anger, frustration and rumours and theories. He is acting highly unproffesional right now. He will gain nothing from it and sad to say damage his reputation in some degree.
This silence act from him makes me think he has no advisors. He needs to employ some help indeed.
And again, draging that comparrison of Russia and visum, not giving reasons bla...bla... The editors and press around the world would be really scared of you and your attitude and oppinion wink
U might feel I go hard on you here, but only at your oppinion, not on you as person, ok? smile
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Reply #249 posted 06/12/08 1:27am

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the main problem as far as i am concerned is that
no-one has had the decency to release an informative statement
as to what went wrong.

as that you tube clip said, the fans put him where he is,

we deserve some answers.
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Reply #250 posted 06/12/08 1:34am

hv3121

I had gold circle tickets.

Now I has a sad cry
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Reply #251 posted 06/12/08 2:23am

funkygirl1975

Just heard the news, sad am so gutted.. this was gonna be the start of the Summer for me. That said - I agree with the others .. there's gonna be loads of Prince still going to a city thats always up for a party. When you've booked flights accomodation and childcare .. hell yes we're still going!!

Let's see if we can find somewhere that'll play P all night and party!
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Reply #252 posted 06/12/08 3:32am

serpan99

damn said:

Some guy/girl taking there hate to youtube

http://www.youtube.com/wa...Dn5FUxSIZ0



thx 4 that...I saw this one as well:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...LdCvLO8oIk
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Reply #253 posted 06/12/08 4:11am

McD

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You could have predicted this being cancelled from the moment it was announced, which is why I didn't bother buying a ticket. Still feel bad for everyone that had it all planned, etc.

And the cancellation was nothing to do with me!
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Reply #254 posted 06/12/08 4:54am

BoySimon

Has anyone mentioned Blenheim on here yet? haven't read the whole thread... it's not like there hasn't been precedent. Albeit, then, 'out' of Prince's control.
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Reply #255 posted 06/12/08 4:57am

BoySimon

Ah... someone has... well done.. . just checking. The refund thing was extremely magnanimous and meant he retained the favour of the fans. Surely somethin similar will follow... hopefully.
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Reply #256 posted 06/12/08 9:29am

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I've just had a voicemail message fm TM, stating the Prince concert on the 15th(!!!!) is cancelled. Phew so it looks like Monday is still a go then lol
Also said therefore I shouldn't turn up to Croke Park....glad thats clear cos I would have done just that,just in case its all been a jest and the little scamps gonna play anyway...purleeeease.
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Reply #257 posted 06/12/08 9:34am

abierman

AmethystAngel said:

I've just had a voicemail message fm TM, stating the Prince concert on the 15th(!!!!) is cancelled. Phew so it looks like Monday is still a go then lol
Also said therefore I shouldn't turn up to Croke Park....glad thats clear cos I would have done just that,just in case its all been a jest and the little scamps gonna play anyway...purleeeease.



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Reply #258 posted 06/12/08 10:19am

soph4u

I have a snaeky suspicion that he wanted 3 concerts this year in Europe, and the others couldn't be pulled off so he cancelled this one. this concert could have easily sold out, but there was no press at all, where was the hype prince???
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Reply #259 posted 06/12/08 10:23am

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psychodelicide said:

L4OATheOriginal said:



nothing is stopping all of y'all from still meeting up. so what the concert got cancelled, ur friendships that u could make from a get 2gether can b just as memorable.


nod I know, right? Half of the fun of the celebrations in Minny was the chance to get to meet/hang out with other Prince fans.


hell yeah and one of the most memorable events didn't even happen at paisley, it was the BBQ
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #260 posted 06/12/08 10:28am

revolutionboy

THE TRUTH MUST BE GIVEN

The explanations given by people saying that it wasn't Prince's fault may in parts be true BUT surely it must have got past just a provisional booking if N E R D had the date to support down on their own site, things must have got past a certain stage for this to happen!! I've now gone past the p****d off stage, i'm still a huge Prince fan and will go to another concert BUT only once he has confirmed it himself. There HAS to be an official statement from Prince or MCD if any of the two are to save face.
AND ON THE 7TH DAY OF THE 6TH MONTH..GOD CREATED FUNK!!!
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Reply #261 posted 06/12/08 10:31am

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cloudguitar said:

Yea, don't get me wrong, the London shows were definitely a nice little earner, but i still think he would have made a fair profit of the Dublin show...i appreciate the costs would be high, but a lot of the crew at the London shows were clearly British, and i've got a couple of photos of the plans for the symbol stage from the O2, and it's a real clever design, but simply constructed...literally just scaffolding with the symbol surface made up of lots of simple planes of wood...i watched them take it apart to make way for the Elton John Show during the O2 run (that's when i photographed the plans) it really didn't take them long...who knows, they may have even left it in England!

But I guess my point is that i doubt the money would be the reason for cancelling (at least not on Prince's part)

He knows how to make money, but it also seems that he's not bothered if he loses money either

It's speculation on my part, but i'd like to think Prince is above doing something (or not doing something) just because of the money

(also, this might be of interest to some people: the purple doves dvd has an interview where Prince is talking about cancelling gigs and how he hates to do it, the interview is about 5 years old now, but he gives an example of where he had to cancel a show and it was literally because he'd twisted his ankle in rehearsal ( i'll have to watch the interview again, but i think he may even have broken the ankle)


CosmicDancer said:

I see your points...But,
21 gigs in a MAJOR city (Tons of great Promo)
plus the money from the aftershows...21 days of selling merchandise..
and not having to travel around or hire people to move the whole setup night after night works out Waaaaay better than One Gig in Ireland...
It probably cost a million dollars just to ship all the crew/stage/gear ect to europe and back !



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and he had 2 cancel shows when he broke his toe during the jam of the year tour or when the death of john blackwells child, nobody was calling bloody murder of prince then right? what some may not understand is that there may have been a number of reasons behind the scenes that could prevent prince from going on.
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #262 posted 06/12/08 10:38am

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i remember a few years ago rod stewart cancelling

a concert in dublin on the day.

he had been on the piss at ascot or some racing event

the day before.

he didn't get the abuse that p is now.
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Reply #263 posted 06/12/08 10:56am

revolutionboy

To be honest i don't really give a monkeys whose fault it is, its gone, he won't play, it's only a concert and i'm still a fan so life goes on. Lets get over this and move on to Prince's European Tour 2009 lol lol
AND ON THE 7TH DAY OF THE 6TH MONTH..GOD CREATED FUNK!!!
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Reply #264 posted 06/12/08 11:16am

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At least Ryan Air did well out of it. I guess everyone is going to Dublin for an impromtu holiday now. I had bad feelings about this show and am thankful I did not bother with it. I think the reason is it did not sell enough tickets.
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Reply #265 posted 06/12/08 11:20am

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revolutionboy said:

To be honest i don't really give a monkeys whose fault it is, its gone, he won't play, it's only a concert and i'm still a fan so life goes on. Lets get over this and move on to Prince's European Tour 2009 lol lol


I think this was a stupid choice f venue, its could not be more on the outskirts of europe if he tried. Come back to London Prince and use proper venues where you fans can see you.
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Reply #266 posted 06/12/08 11:27am

riverjones

revolutionboy said:

To be honest i don't really give a monkeys whose fault it is, its gone, he won't play, it's only a concert and i'm still a fan so life goes on. Lets get over this and move on to Prince's European Tour 2009 lol lol



is prince touring europe in 2009? withall the stresssss of the cancellation I missed that deytail. please tell us more...
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Reply #267 posted 06/12/08 11:30am

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angelcat said:

i remember a few years ago rod stewart cancelling

a concert in dublin on the day.

he had been on the piss at ascot or some racing event

the day before.

he didn't get the abuse that p is now.


Ha you don't get it.

This was not a date of a tour cancelled, this was the Prince concert of the year, people flying in from all over the place.

The simple fact of the matter is you DO NOT cancel a gig this big and NOT give a reason,the more I think about it the more stupid this situation get's.
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Reply #268 posted 06/12/08 11:37am

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damn said:

angelcat said:

i remember a few years ago rod stewart cancelling

a concert in dublin on the day.

he had been on the piss at ascot or some racing event

the day before.

he didn't get the abuse that p is now.


Ha you don't get it.

This was not a date of a tour cancelled, this was the Prince concert of the year, people flying in from all over the place.

The simple fact of the matter is you DO NOT cancel a gig this big and NOT give a reason,the more I think about it the more stupid this situation get's.
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i am gutted that concert is cancelled.
just trying to give some perspective.
whether prince or mcd are to blame we
deserve answers.
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Reply #269 posted 06/12/08 11:38am

cream72

damn said:

angelcat said:

i remember a few years ago rod stewart cancelling

a concert in dublin on the day.

he had been on the piss at ascot or some racing event

the day before.

he didn't get the abuse that p is now.


Ha you don't get it.

This was not a date of a tour cancelled, this was the Prince concert of the year, people flying in from all over the place.

The simple fact of the matter is you DO NOT cancel a gig this big and NOT give a reason,the more I think about it the more stupid this situation get's.
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Yes people were coming from all over the world, isnt that what people do for all concerts who can afford to anyway. as the poster you quoted stated about an other artist a least prince wasn't getting pissed.

its about time people just got over it, its only a concert
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