optimus said:

here hav a read about that family.....

[edit] Family and its dysfunctions

[edit] J. C. Penney: alleged assault, litigation and psychiatric analysis
In August 1998 the Arvizo family were detained on a shop lifting charge at a J. C. Penney department store in West Covina, California. According to J. C. Penney, Gavin and Star Arzivo were sent out of the store by their father with an armload of stolen clothes, the family was detained and Janet started a "scuffle" with security officers. The shop lifting charge was dropped, but Janet filed a lawsuit for $3 million, saying that when she was detained she was "viciously beaten" by three security officers, one of which was female[13].

The psychiatrist hired by J. C. Penney to evaluate Janet Arzivo found her to have rehearsed her children into supporting her story and to be both "delusional" and "depressed," although Janet's own doctor found her to be only the latter[14].

More than two years after the original alleged incident Janet added a further charge that one of the male officers had "sexually fondled" her breasts, twisting her nipples over twenty times and pelvis area for "up to seven minutes"[15]. Ultimately the department store settled out of court with the family for $137,000[16]. Janet and Gavin also claimed to have been beaten, showing police photos of bruises.

When they first called the police from JC Penney, there was not any report of physical harm, or any medical attention that either needed.

Other money scandals

The family has gotten money from various celebrities from the lines of: Jay Leno, Chris Tucker, Goerge Lopez, and Adam Sandler. For those who were brought into court, all have stated that the child seemed odd. Lopez and Tucker told the jury that the family would often try to get more 'things' and money by playing guilt trips regarding Gavin's health. At one point the family complained to Lopez that they did not have any money for Gavin's medical bills after a fun-raiser at the 'Laugh Factory'. Lopez wired money to there account. Within that same time the 'deprived' mother Janet attempted to buy a $28,000 SUV, which was turned down after her creadit was too low.

Other claims

Janet accused her ex-husband of beating her and sexually 'assaulting', molesting their daughter. In court the father claimed that Janet 'coached' the children to make these allegations against him for money. Interesting note that, several celebirties including Jay Leno stated that Gavin sounded to be 'coached' with his words to get money. This also came up again with the Jackson allegations.


[edit] Gavin Arvizo
Gavin Arvizo, the accuser, was born in December 1989, hence he was 13 years old in February and March 2003, when allegedly the crimes were committed. The accuser admits that he has often misbehaved in class at his middle school, and often failed to do his homework. At some stage he had problems with almost all teachers.

In 2000 he was diagnosed with cancer and had a kidney and his spleen removed[17]. Jackson paid Gavin Arvizo's medical expenses and accommodated transport for his chemotherapy treatment[18]. Soon after that, through Jamie Masada [4], the owner of a comedy club called Laugh Factory, his wish was fulfilled to meet Jackson, and the boy often visited Neverland, also when Jackson was not home. In 2001 there were no visits but he and Jackson had many telephone conversations. In 2002 was the filming for the documentary, which was aired in 2003. Until February 2005, the accuser was officially anonymized as "John Doe" by the court and the media, although his full name was already available all over the Internet.


[edit] The Father of Gavin Arvizo
His father, David Arvizo, visited Neverland several times in 2000, sometimes with the whole family, other times with just the children. According to witnesses the father has been persistent in begging celebrities for money for the family, and after receiving money, persistently asking for more.

After 2000, the accuser's parents were divorced, and his mother had custody over him and his older sister and younger brother. In 2002 David Arzivo pleaded no contest to spousal abuse and in 2003 pleaded no contest to child cruelty[19]. After having completed classes in parenting and anger management the father applied for having a three year [20] restraining order against him temporarily lifted, to allow him to see his three children. He claims he wanted to see for himself how his son's health was, and hoped to find out whether the boy and Jackson have had sexual contact. He blames his ex-wife for allowing the boy to sleep in the same room with Jackson, and also claims that she has been in a mental hospital. He was featured in Bashir's documentary as one of many guests at the Neverland ranch; subsequent airings of the Bashir documentary on American VH1 after the 2003 allegations have blurred Jackson's accuser's and his siblings' faces, as well as muted out his name.

As of late 2004 David insists "my children are routinely rehearsed by their mother Janet to do or say whatever she wishes."[21] It is unclear where he stands on this belief now.


[edit] The Mother of Gavin Arvizo
When the Arvizo Family and Jackson were on good terms she encouraged all the children to call Jackson "Daddy" despite having three children of his own[22]. The accuser's mother, Janet Arvizo, who now uses Jay Jackson's last name, has been identified as the most problematic of the prosecution witnesses. Her behavior of snapping her fingers and staring at the jurors was criticized by jurors after the trial. [5] She was often unresponsive to questioning, even by the prosecution. She seemed to argue defensively over seemingly small issues, such as whether she had a body wax or only a leg wax. She even accused the defense of altering a receipt for the body wax. Questions were often answered with speeches or catch-phrases, rather than answers. She made repeated use of a few catch phrases, such as "It's burned inside my memory," "Money doesn't buy happiness," [6] and testified to the sheriff that Jackson wanted to kidnap her and the family with a 'hot air balloon.' [7] There were often instances when the court erupted in laughter over her answers. [8]

optimus said:

here hav a read about that family.....

[edit] Family and its dysfunctions

[edit] J. C. Penney: alleged assault, litigation and psychiatric analysis
In August 1998 the Arvizo family were detained on a shop lifting charge at a J. C. Penney department store in West Covina, California. According to J. C. Penney, Gavin and Star Arzivo were sent out of the store by their father with an armload of stolen clothes, the family was detained and Janet started a "scuffle" with security officers. The shop lifting charge was dropped, but Janet filed a lawsuit for $3 million, saying that when she was detained she was "viciously beaten" by three security officers, one of which was female[13].

The psychiatrist hired by J. C. Penney to evaluate Janet Arzivo found her to have rehearsed her children into supporting her story and to be both "delusional" and "depressed," although Janet's own doctor found her to be only the latter[14].

More than two years after the original alleged incident Janet added a further charge that one of the male officers had "sexually fondled" her breasts, twisting her nipples over twenty times and pelvis area for "up to seven minutes"[15]. Ultimately the department store settled out of court with the family for $137,000[16]. Janet and Gavin also claimed to have been beaten, showing police photos of bruises.

When they first called the police from JC Penney, there was not any report of physical harm, or any medical attention that either needed.

Other money scandals

The family has gotten money from various celebrities from the lines of: Jay Leno, Chris Tucker, Goerge Lopez, and Adam Sandler. For those who were brought into court, all have stated that the child seemed odd. Lopez and Tucker told the jury that the family would often try to get more 'things' and money by playing guilt trips regarding Gavin's health. At one point the family complained to Lopez that they did not have any money for Gavin's medical bills after a fun-raiser at the 'Laugh Factory'. Lopez wired money to there account. Within that same time the 'deprived' mother Janet attempted to buy a $28,000 SUV, which was turned down after her creadit was too low.

Other claims

Janet accused her ex-husband of beating her and sexually 'assaulting', molesting their daughter. In court the father claimed that Janet 'coached' the children to make these allegations against him for money. Interesting note that, several celebirties including Jay Leno stated that Gavin sounded to be 'coached' with his words to get money. This also came up again with the Jackson allegations.


[edit] Gavin Arvizo
Gavin Arvizo, the accuser, was born in December 1989, hence he was 13 years old in February and March 2003, when allegedly the crimes were committed. The accuser admits that he has often misbehaved in class at his middle school, and often failed to do his homework. At some stage he had problems with almost all teachers.

In 2000 he was diagnosed with cancer and had a kidney and his spleen removed[17]. Jackson paid Gavin Arvizo's medical expenses and accommodated transport for his chemotherapy treatment[18]. Soon after that, through Jamie Masada [4], the owner of a comedy club called Laugh Factory, his wish was fulfilled to meet Jackson, and the boy often visited Neverland, also when Jackson was not home. In 2001 there were no visits but he and Jackson had many telephone conversations. In 2002 was the filming for the documentary, which was aired in 2003. Until February 2005, the accuser was officially anonymized as "John Doe" by the court and the media, although his full name was already available all over the Internet.


[edit] The Father of Gavin Arvizo
His father, David Arvizo, visited Neverland several times in 2000, sometimes with the whole family, other times with just the children. According to witnesses the father has been persistent in begging celebrities for money for the family, and after receiving money, persistently asking for more.

After 2000, the accuser's parents were divorced, and his mother had custody over him and his older sister and younger brother. In 2002 David Arzivo pleaded no contest to spousal abuse and in 2003 pleaded no contest to child cruelty[19]. After having completed classes in parenting and anger management the father applied for having a three year [20] restraining order against him temporarily lifted, to allow him to see his three children. He claims he wanted to see for himself how his son's health was, and hoped to find out whether the boy and Jackson have had sexual contact. He blames his ex-wife for allowing the boy to sleep in the same room with Jackson, and also claims that she has been in a mental hospital. He was featured in Bashir's documentary as one of many guests at the Neverland ranch; subsequent airings of the Bashir documentary on American VH1 after the 2003 allegations have blurred Jackson's accuser's and his siblings' faces, as well as muted out his name.

As of late 2004 David insists "my children are routinely rehearsed by their mother Janet to do or say whatever she wishes."[21] It is unclear where he stands on this belief now.


[edit] The Mother of Gavin Arvizo
When the Arvizo Family and Jackson were on good terms she encouraged all the children to call Jackson "Daddy" despite having three children of his own[22]. The accuser's mother, Janet Arvizo, who now uses Jay Jackson's last name, has been identified as the most problematic of the prosecution witnesses. Her behavior of snapping her fingers and staring at the jurors was criticized by jurors after the trial. [5] She was often unresponsive to questioning, even by the prosecution. She seemed to argue defensively over seemingly small issues, such as whether she had a body wax or only a leg wax. She even accused the defense of altering a receipt for the body wax. Questions were often answered with speeches or catch-phrases, rather than answers. She made repeated use of a few catch phrases, such as "It's burned inside my memory," "Money doesn't buy happiness," [6] and testified to the sheriff that Jackson wanted to kidnap her and the family with a 'hot air balloon.' [7] There were often instances when the court erupted in laughter over her answers. [8]

kornie said:

no u stupid idiot this is what happened in court ppl like jay leno and other celebrities had 2 go and tell what they had 2 put up with from family, basically if u read that ud understand y he was cleared DUH! i rly dought famous ppl would go in there and say them things if they fought jacko was a peadophile especially jay leno who took the piss out of him all the time on his show why the trial was going on(and i must admit he was funny when he does)

and as for the chandler boy(the first 1) jacko payed him off simply because here we hav a guy who has gave millions 2 help children all over the world and i am sure that must hav really bin horrible 4 him and im sure he wanted 2 get over and done with so he payed the family off.MJ has also stated that that was the biggest regret of his life cuz if he had took the chandler family 2 court he would hav won and it also stopped the second family thinking they could do the same.In America u see they love 2 watch giants(celebrities etc) fall especially if ur an African-American 1
[Edited 1/20/08 14:12pm]

optimus said:

there is no point in this, u r blinkered mr jackson is GOD!!! im sorry ive seen the light

optimus said:

A respected artist who pumps wee boys????? respected? how can he posibly be respected and its not just about his music its about what he represents!!!!! a child abuser and anyone who says differently is strange!!!!

kornie said:

I think you should read the book "Redemption", and if you still think Michael Jackson is a child abuser, you have to check yourself . Btw have you forgotten the saying: Innocent until proven guilty?

kornie said:

no there is no point cuz u see ur own point of view not any1 elses.no jacko isnt god if he was i would hav joined MJ site its just im not as small minded or childish as you.but u know what i think i think ur pissed off cuz jacko has broke so many records,he has more number 1s etc than the purple 1 not that that matters cuz P is much better musicaly but 2 small minded ppl like u it does and u hate that(not that ud ever admit it)
[Edited 1/20/08 14:24pm]

there is no point in this, u r blinkered mr jackson is GOD!!! im sorry ive seen the light

yeah u right he got cleared that doesnt mean that he is innocent the justice system in america cleared O J too after all didnt they?
and as for licking m j balls i dont think m j would be interested in Prince doing that after all he would be too old its minors m j likes isnt it?

optimus said:

and also no i wasnt going 2 go on about that u asked the question.so ill fuckin answer how i see it and no im not blinkered. i hav stated that PRINCE IS MY NUMBER1 PRINCE IS MY NUMBER 1 PRINCE IS MY NUMBER 1 did i type that enough times 4 u 2 understand. all u seem to be able 2 say is mjs a peadophile or ppl are weird cuz they respect his music.you know what i think i think ur an insecure person who needs attention and by doing this thread u knew u would get it. get a life u sad sad individuall
[Edited 1/20/08 14:47pm]

maybe if no one replys to kornies posts this thread will just dissapeare?

its only getting people angry!

RumAndRaisin said:

yeah i hope so i never meant to get anyone angry

kornie said:

it is not sad 2 read things up and get FACTS!,i read alot of books and browse case files on famous people(singers,actors,dictators,etc) and no i cant moonwalk cuz most of teh time im 2 2 even try and no im not an abusive person its just when u sed my family 2 weird(by the way i did state that SOME of my family like jacko not all) so ur the 1 who got persanol not me,also look im not 1 2 fallout with ppl itz just cuz u dissed my family 2 which it has nothing 2 do with, ive stated my case also im sorry if i upset u i will just read this topic from now on if that is the situation take care
[Edited 1/21/08 6:32am]

optimus said:

thanks for that i never meant to diss ur family and in sorry if u thought i did id really like to just drop this topic its went on for long enough, i will read up more on the case files and stuff ok

kornie said:

nah u dont hav 2 do that kornie,its more fun when u hav ppl who disagree after all the world would be boring if we all thought the same take care mate and dont worry im with u and 1 more thing 4 future refrence in case are paths cross again neva argue with sum1 whos always right(only jokin) see u round
[Edited 1/21/08 14:04pm]
[Edited 1/21/08 14:05pm]

We've reached the bottom of the barrel on the org

bboy87 said:

right were u belong

kornie said:

so hilarious

bboy87 said:

i second that....2 funny!!!!!

WOLFY

bboy87 said:

right were u belong

kornie said:

You might think he belongs the in the bottom of a barrel but at least he can spell,..its WHERE not WERE dozy.

How old are you anyway...about 12 judging by your level of spelling and grammar.

And don't encourage that Wolfy guy..his ego is already far too big already..he hasn't whined recently about his VIP O2 experience.

Michael Jackson is innocent of all those charges, maybe the reason why u don't understand that is because you are so easily led onto the bandwagon and don't try and find out things for yourself, there's plenty of information around only you choose the pieces of information that are so much easier for your little brain to handle-the ones that are directed at people who don't want to think for themselves.

It's sad when a thread about another artist is top of the forum about another artist. I thought you were Prince fans?

DareNight said:

im sorry i have a small brain and am not as smart as all u people out there!!!!! the fact is there is no smoke without fire! mj had young boys in his bedroom? WHY?????WHY WHY WHY?
that is not NORMAL behaviour, am i wrong? am i?
please someone enlighten me?
if a 40 year old or whatever age he was wanted my 12 year old boy in his bedroom never mind who the f--- he is there is no reason none at all why this should be allowed to happen? why would mj want this? i know what it screams to me!!!! and it would to u to if it wasnt mj we were talking about, would it not?

i really want this thread to end because i think u people who are standing up for him are blind! there should be no reason at all y young boys should be in an adults bedroom over night none.

kornie said:

I'm sure an adult is capable of sleeping in the same room as a child without anything happening. Did they want to sleep in the same room because Michael had a tv in there? because they wanted to chat? When friends sleep over when you are younger, you don't sleep in separate rooms do you? When a child is feeling ill it is often known for the parent to sleep in the same room and the same bed.

Why did the mother encourage the relationship if she believed something bad was happening? that's the real question. Why didn't she go to the police before shopping around for a month to find a lawyer? Why did she ask him for money for shopping sprees? Why did the family ask for money from other celebrities like Chris Tucker and Jay Leno?

If you believe the child, do you also believe their claim that he had a sinister plot to kill them in a hot air balloon? That his ranch does not have a single clock? That he has a secret wine cellar which contains "Jesus Juice"? You must be stupid if you believe all that it is completely laughable. Why is it that there is a tape of the first accusers father saying that none of the claims are true and that he could get millions from saying they are true?

I am really sorry that you think badly of people before thinking better of them. I am not blind, thank-you, I'm sorry that you cannot think for yourself and you look to others for answers
[Edited 2/3/08 9:10am]