Frodocious said:

Hear what you're saying but if somebody has already purchased tickets for themselves off of ebay, then why buy more from Ticketmaster? It's different if they're looking on Ticketmaster for other people but I don't quite understand the need to buy more for themselves and then try to sell the ones they bought at an inflated cost originally.

DoMeBaby69 said:

Because the tickets they bought originally on ebay were upper tier tickets (at an inflated price) and they subsequently managed to get floor tickets from Ticketmaster.

Frodocious said:

Well more fool them for paying hundreds of pounds for upper tier tickets!!!!

Frodocious said:

Ticket master should take most of the blame to be honest. It should be first come first served,and those first should get the best seats first.

DoMeBaby69 said:

For sure. Although, it looked to me like lots of upper tier tickets have been going on ebay for LESS than face value. (though obviously not for the 21st).

DoMeBaby69 said:

Well yes and no, I think they only paid about twice face value for the tickets but in their defence, they were desperate to see Prince again and couldn't afford the ebay prices for lower tier tickets and couldn't guarantee getting better seats from Ticketmaster.

Ticketmaster likely don't release the seats, the promoter AEG does it via their computer system.

AEG likely has the releasing of seats down to a fine art to create just this kind of people buying two lots of tickets scenario

Claire73 said:

Absolutely. There are steps that TM could take that would avoid all this nonsense. Unfortunatly, TM's only interest is in selling their tickets, and they'll use any tactic they possibly can to make sure all the dates sell out. (e.g. selling the worst tickets first, under the pretense that the floor and lower tiers are "sold out")

The government actually established a committee to look into the issue of the "secondary ticket market". They held a discussion with representatives from eBay and the other "agencies" which was televised on one of the Sky channels the other day. Fascinating viewing.

If the government were to make the resale of tickets illegal (especially by these online "ticket exchange" outfits), and also insist that the main ticket agent accepts returns once an event sells out, I think the problem would largely evaporate. There are SO MANY tickets for the 21st still available... but only at silly prices.

Although TM are just as guilty of charging silly prices by trying to sell their worthless VIP packages.

Weaverstreet said:

You should NAME AND SHAME!

Frodocious said:

In all seriousness though I do feel for the people who paid over the odds on ebay in desperation for tickets that they thought they couldn't get at face value from bona fide ticket agencies, only to find them for sale at a later date from the very ticket agencies who claimed to have nothing available. Those people in that position who then re-sell those tickets on ebay are only trying to get their money back which to me is perfectly understandable. I don't think that any orgers would expect other orgers who had paid over the odds for tickets on ebay to then sell them on at face value to other desperate orgers.

The issue here is orgers who either already have tickets (particularly for the 21st) or those who have no intention whatsoever of going - and then snap up tix when they come on sale in very small windows of opportunity on Ticketmaster and then aim to sell them on for a handsome profit on ebay knowing full well that they could help other orgers who are desperate for tickets but perhaps don't have the funds to cover the inflated costs in ebay.

It is sad that fellow orgers are happy to fleece people from their own mob. But to counter that, it's a real heartwarming feeling to know that the majority of orgers are willing to sell at face value or even give away tickets they can't use here. God bless those people and all that sail in them

I know someone who sold six tickets on Ebay as they couldnt go his wife gave birth early. He did try to sell tickets to fans but he got messed with so Ebay was the best route to sell, all tickets sold and the monies made on them went to the special care baby unit where the little ones are just now.

I have to say that a certain lovely orger made my century last night when they offered me two FV tix for the final night.

My first instinct was to take another orger with me, because I knew that we had both been feeling so down at not being able to go, and not only did it make her feel great it made me feel great too. The offer of the tickets had meant so much to me and I wanted to pay it forward, so to speak.

Ultimately, I think it's about empathy. Those selling at face value to orgers are 'doing as they would be done by' because they feel the pain of the orgers posting here who still don't have tickets. I'm a bit of a hippy you see, and I really do believe you get back what you put out there...and my experience has been just that, because now Claire and I are going to the gig on 21st and the three of us get a warm glow in our tummy to boot...
Yipeeeee

Weaverstreet said:

Thats terrible weaverstreet ppl who do such things r nasty gits and 2 lie about giving 2 a charity 2 - shame on them

MegCraig said:

I agree with your philosophy entirely - as I said before - the pleasure is all in the giving
[Edited 9/12/07 9:24am]

And may I just say . Looking forward to seeing you Sunday!

scuzzy said:

Me and Tony too! We're going to get there early about 4.30 I think for some dinner in Zizzi's, if you would like to join us.

DoMeBaby69 said:

Well i gonna end up travelin down to 02 on day just in case a last min ticket comes available so if these fellow orgers dont turn up u will find me cryin outside venue!!!! Please anyone with a spare ticket take pity!!

DoMeBaby69 said:[quote]

Frodocious said:

In all seriousness though I do feel for the people who paid over the odds on ebay in desperation for tickets that they thought they couldn't get at face value from bona fide ticket agencies, only to find them for sale at a later date from the very ticket agencies who claimed to have nothing available. Those people in that position who then re-sell those tickets on ebay are only trying to get their money back which to me is perfectly understandable. I don't think that any orgers would expect other orgers who had paid over the odds for tickets on ebay to then sell them on at face value to other desperate orgers.


I'm in just this situation. I gave up TM and gave in to eBay. On Saturday I bought two row A upper tier for £202, 1 1/2hrs later TM released tickets and I got block 110 row R - no way was I turning those down!! As soon as my tickets arrive I'll be putting them back on ebay with a buy it now price of what I bought for them, hopefully I'll get my money back.

I maybe biased given my situation but I agree with you DoMeBaby69, this is completely different to people buying up tickets with the intention of making money.

Something strange happened with above post and it now doesn't make any sense. Didn't want to quote that bit, the first paragraph of what looks to be mine is a quote from DoMeBaby69...very strange.

missminky100 said:

I get what you're saying!

katt said:

Aww bless them. Well you cant argue with that.

Sorry, hang on.

Let's say I've got some tickets I can't use - and as you probably know I've sold some to orgers at face value before I get flamed!

Why shouldn't I sell them to stranger 1 who wants to go, at say £70, rather than stranger number 2, who equally wants to go, but who wants to pay £31?

If people want to sell them via ebay then why not? If I had spare for the last night I'd have them on ebay rather than flog them on here.

MegCraig said:

I CANT WAIT!!! Its gonna be a beautiful night!! :headbang:Thank you so much again. I owe you a large drink when we meet up :guinness:Am still on the lookout for more tix for final night for orgers as I want everyone to be there. I'm a soppy git!!

Although I have given all my spares away at face value, I see nothing wrong with people selling them on Ebay.

They have spares, market forces to the rest. I thnik Ebay is better than Ticketmaster.

And what about all the people who made losses on their tickets? Are they "evil" too?

SquirrelMeat said:

If you read this thread from the beginning, you will see that the issue isn't about people selling their spare tickets on ebay. It's about orgers who have spare tickets whilst reading on here every day how other orgers are desperate for tickets and instead of doing somebody a good deed, choose instead to sell them on ebay for profit. It most certainly is up to those who have spare tickets to do with them as they wish but my conscience wouldn't allow it. My brother had a number of 21st September aftershow tickets. He could have sold them on ebay and made a small fortune. Instead he chose to sell them at face value to other orgers and his friends. Even he said that he couldn't make money out of "fams". I have tickets for the main show on 21st September but am still looking on Ticketmaster. Not to re-sell on ebay to line my pocket, but to pass on to other orgers who might not have been lucky enough to have been on line at the time they went on sale. I don't want to sound like a martyr but that is the general consensus of most orgers. We want to help each other, not make money.

DoMeBaby69 said:

Couldn't agree more

I have 2 tickets - section 113 - lower tier - best offer accepted. We are flying over from Belfast tomorrow so can meet and exchange tickets at Liverpool street train station about 3ish or we are staying at Jurys islington, or we can meet at the 02 about 6. Give me a bell on my mobile 07763398273.

Only reason we are happy to part with these tix is that we got lucky on an ebay auction for floor seats so more than happy to let someone else have the funky fun.