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Thread started 08/07/07 6:20am

tintin

If cameras are such an issue at the Aftershows...

... and thats a possible reason for P not playing, then why aren't security confiscating cameras/phones on entrance?

Back in Hammersmith in 2002 we all had to surrender them when we went in for the soundcheck (although they probably weren't as popular back then.) As much as this would be a hassle, I would forego it if it created a better atmosphere for us and yer man.

Or am I on my own here?
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Reply #1 posted 08/07/07 6:23am

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tintin said:

... and thats a possible reason for P not playing, then why aren't security confiscating cameras/phones on entrance?

Back in Hammersmith in 2002 we all had to surrender them when we went in for the soundcheck (although they probably weren't as popular back then.) As much as this would be a hassle, I would forego it if it created a better atmosphere for us and yer man.

Or am I on my own here?


Totally agree. I thing some of the fam sheep are using cameras as an excuse for Prince's poor management of the aftershow events.

If P doesn't want pics, he can put enough security on to stop it. Or just tell the audience himself. You could gaurantee the next person to snap a flash would be lynched by 10 fans.
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Reply #2 posted 08/07/07 6:37am

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He should say that every time he sees a flash he's going to disappear off stage for 5 minutes and be gone for 5 minutes longer for every subsequent flash. That is, flash 1=off for 5, flash 2 off for 10 and so on.

That would soon stop people taking pictures.

Either that or he should just get over himself and stop worrying about it. What is his problem with pics anyway?
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Reply #3 posted 08/07/07 6:41am

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On the first night one of the bouncers reached into the front row and took the phone. Prince left stage briefly afterwards and spoke with the bouncer. I was thinking thats it, game over. But he seemed to repremand him (for being over agressive?) I don't think he gives a shit as much as the gossip makes out. It's not like anybody is going to make momney any more, cameras are everywhere. One way to solve the problem is to let everybody take pictures, totally devaluinbg them.

But then the cameras piss off the audience, flash, flash. WHy are people incapable of turning off the flash?
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Reply #4 posted 08/07/07 6:43am

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PREDOMINANT said:

But then the cameras piss off the audience, flash, flash. WHy are people incapable of turning off the flash?

That's the way people are.
Only nerds take the effort to prepare and study the manual in advance.
With flash it works everytime, even if flash is not needed or even useless.

Just get a decent camera that works well for low light conditions without flash.
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Reply #5 posted 08/07/07 6:44am

tintin

I think i'd rather they be taken away than stand amongst a sea of people holding up their phone all the fecking time. Hardly seems to be respecting the musicians on stage.

Don't even get me started on people texting each other during the main concert. WTF??!! Just leave your phone alone for 2 fucking hours, for Christ sake!!!
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Reply #6 posted 08/07/07 6:46am

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udo said:

PREDOMINANT said:

But then the cameras piss off the audience, flash, flash. WHy are people incapable of turning off the flash?

That's the way people are.
Only nerds take the effort to prepare and study the manual in advance.
With flash it works everytime, even if flash is not needed or even useless.

Just get a decent camera that works well for low light conditions without flash.


Even a cameraphone is better without the flash, it just bleaches the foreground anyway. Probably only have a 2 foot impact too!
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Reply #7 posted 08/07/07 7:08am

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Prince should get up and leave if a lot of people are taking pictures on camera phones. I absolutely despise the use of them during concerts. It's impossible to confiscate them as so many people have them. I do think it says more about the person using it than Princes attitude towards people using them. Cell phones in general have made a lot of people obnoxious and paranoid.
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Reply #8 posted 08/07/07 7:14am

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IT IS JUST A PICTURE! HE SHOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FANS WANTING TO HAVE MEMORIES TO LOOK BACK ON WHEN WE ALL GET OLDER - LIKE HE SAID - WHEN HE WAS COLLECTING JAMES BROWN, HE WANTED ALL HE COULD GET. AND FOR SOME FANS IT INCLUDES PICTURES.....NOT THE ASSHOLES THAT TRY TO SELL THEM, THE ONES WHO WANT THEM FOR THEMSELVES. I HAVE GOTTEN SOME SWEET ONES AT DIFFERENT SHOWS OF HIM & I FRAME THEM WITH MY TICKETS & MY FRIENDS LOVE SEEING THEM IN OUR MUSIC ROOM!

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Reply #9 posted 08/07/07 7:16am

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I, for one am so pissed off with having to watch gigs on the backs of peoples phones / cameras. Every gig I have been to over the past 18 months or so has been like this... It's really starting to put me off.
What is peoples obession with grabbing grainy, unaudible footage...?! Seems obsurd!
I saw the 4th Aug show... I was up in the rafters... When Prince played Purple Rain, my girl turned to me and said 'Oh look everybody has their lighters out'.
Which would have been quite nice...
But no... It was everybodies fucking camera phones! mad
I'm quite ashamed of this country so far with the gigs... With the cameras and reports of drunk peeps making fools of themselves / starting agro / whatever.
(I don't drink... So I guess it pisses me off a little more than it should? I don't know...)
Bottom line... Why the hell would you go to see a show only to make a very bad recording of it and then get so wasted that you can't remember it?


LIVE IN THE MOMENT... PUT YOUR FUCKING CAMERAS AWAY!!

Check this quote from David Lynch's 'Lost Highway' kinda sums up my feelings on the subject...
Ed: Do you own a video camera?
Renee Madison: No. Fred hates them.
Fred Madison: I like to remember things my own way.
Ed: What do you mean by that?
Fred Madison: How I remembered them. Not necessarily the way they happened.


Sorry for ranting!

Peace... x
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Reply #10 posted 08/07/07 7:32am

raverbabe4u

i think all cameras mobiles with cams should be banned from the aftershows,ruins the feeling how can u enjoy a show with people takin pics all night, p if your reading this bring back the kinda security checks u had when we went to the aftershow party in bagleys many years ago , where the men and women were spilt and then body frisked to get in the club, i think i needs to be taken back to that level again...sorry 4 moaning on but this takin pics thing really winds me up
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Reply #11 posted 08/07/07 7:37am

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PREDOMINANT said:

udo said:


That's the way people are.
Only nerds take the effort to prepare and study the manual in advance.
With flash it works everytime, even if flash is not needed or even useless.

Just get a decent camera that works well for low light conditions without flash.


Even a cameraphone is better without the flash, it just bleaches the foreground anyway. Probably only have a 2 foot impact too!


yep, any flash is going to have a max imapct of 2-3 mtrs...and the silly little light on a camera phone much less than that

people taking pictures without flash has no impact on anyone...and they come out better...look at my photos on the 4th thread
I always take them discretely, so as to not annoy the performer or the audience, and used to do what fansynceeyewuz9 does, and frame them with the ticket...but as I've attended over 250 gigs of various bands I have no room to do that anymore!
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Reply #12 posted 08/07/07 8:20am

PREDOMINANT

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Horntooter said:

I, for one am so pissed off with having to watch gigs on the backs of peoples phones / cameras. Every gig I have been to over the past 18 months or so has been like this... It's really starting to put me off.
What is peoples obession with grabbing grainy, unaudible footage...?! Seems obsurd!
I saw the 4th Aug show... I was up in the rafters... When Prince played Purple Rain, my girl turned to me and said 'Oh look everybody has their lighters out'.
Which would have been quite nice...
But no... It was everybodies fucking camera phones! mad
I'm quite ashamed of this country so far with the gigs... With the cameras and reports of drunk peeps making fools of themselves / starting agro / whatever.
(I don't drink... So I guess it pisses me off a little more than it should? I don't know...)
Bottom line... Why the hell would you go to see a show only to make a very bad recording of it and then get so wasted that you can't remember it?


LIVE IN THE MOMENT... PUT YOUR FUCKING CAMERAS AWAY!!

Check this quote from David Lynch's 'Lost Highway' kinda sums up my feelings on the subject...
Ed: Do you own a video camera?
Renee Madison: No. Fred hates them.
Fred Madison: I like to remember things my own way.
Ed: What do you mean by that?
Fred Madison: How I remembered them. Not necessarily the way they happened.


Sorry for ranting!

Peace... x



thumbs up!

Although I am not sure that the drunken fighters are nescearily the same people who take flash photos all night lol

Last week I was distracted by the screens of the camera phones in front of me, it is a bit tiresome.
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Reply #13 posted 08/07/07 8:34am

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PREDOMINANT said:

Horntooter said:

I, for one am so pissed off with having to watch gigs on the backs of peoples phones / cameras. Every gig I have been to over the past 18 months or so has been like this... It's really starting to put me off.
What is peoples obession with grabbing grainy, unaudible footage...?! Seems obsurd!
I saw the 4th Aug show... I was up in the rafters... When Prince played Purple Rain, my girl turned to me and said 'Oh look everybody has their lighters out'.
Which would have been quite nice...
But no... It was everybodies fucking camera phones! mad
I'm quite ashamed of this country so far with the gigs... With the cameras and reports of drunk peeps making fools of themselves / starting agro / whatever.
(I don't drink... So I guess it pisses me off a little more than it should? I don't know...)
Bottom line... Why the hell would you go to see a show only to make a very bad recording of it and then get so wasted that you can't remember it?


LIVE IN THE MOMENT... PUT YOUR FUCKING CAMERAS AWAY!!

Check this quote from David Lynch's 'Lost Highway' kinda sums up my feelings on the subject...
Ed: Do you own a video camera?
Renee Madison: No. Fred hates them.
Fred Madison: I like to remember things my own way.
Ed: What do you mean by that?
Fred Madison: How I remembered them. Not necessarily the way they happened.


Sorry for ranting!

Peace... x



thumbs up!

Although I am not sure that the drunken fighters are nescearily the same people who take flash photos all night lol

Last week I was distracted by the screens of the camera phones in front of me, it is a bit tiresome.


Yeah, the cameras should be confiscated on entry but the camera phones are a bit harder.
It was probaly a lot easier 2 manage back in '02 but now loads of people have camera/video phones it would be harder 2 confiscate everyone's phone. Even if some of the picture taking stopped they'res bound 2 be loads trying 2 film the aftershow, the fans maybe aware of the camera situation but what about the ppl who r just going there just 4 the occasion? confused
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Reply #14 posted 08/07/07 8:54am

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Although they appear to be no longer there some guy was/is selling 95 (ninety five) - pictures for £3.50 on eBay from the 02 concerts so far although some are "a bit blurred." No shit.


tintin said:

... and thats a possible reason for P not playing, then why aren't security confiscating cameras/phones on entrance?

Back in Hammersmith in 2002 we all had to surrender them when we went in for the soundcheck (although they probably weren't as popular back then.) As much as this would be a hassle, I would forego it if it created a better atmosphere for us and yer man.

Or am I on my own here?

[Edited 8/7/07 8:55am]
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Reply #15 posted 08/07/07 9:13am

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In my opinion there is nothing wrong about taking some pictures of the concert for personal use as long as they are taken without flash.
Prince is a public person and should get used to it instead of acting like a queen about it.
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Reply #16 posted 08/07/07 9:31am

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theplejades said:

In my opinion there is nothing wrong about taking some pictures of the concert for personal use as long as they are taken without flash.
Prince is a public person and should get used to it instead of acting like a queen about it.



I have never taken pix at a concert before the Minneapolis show. I took a few at the Target Center concert and then a few at the after show. I swear Prince saw my camera and played straight to it on more than one occasion at the after show. I doubt he cares as much about the photo taking as people would like to believe. The only problem I can see is when people go beyond enjoying the photos themselves and start posting or selling them online.

So, I say, use your good manners and turn off the flash, be discrete and for crying out loud enjoy the show while you're there! It will be over too soon to waste time framing up a good picture. Live in the moment!
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Reply #17 posted 08/07/07 10:43am

m3taverse

I might expand on this in a new thread once I figure out where to put it.

There's something interesting that happens with each and every tour.
Something always happens that makes fans go: why the fuck did that just happen.

The mechanism that follows is predictable and works something like this:

* there is the observation that Prince made a decision that we do not understand
* this decision, altho it was Prince's, is obviously not Prince's own choice
* so it must be something outside of Prince that caused it
* it's us fans that caused it!
* a minimum of 5 theories evolve around the concept of fans causing Prince to behave a certain way
* fans start policing other fans based on a theory based on a concept based on an assumption

This would make someone an excellent sociology paper, and it's all documented right here on the org.
Straight from my own memory I can think of at least 4 times we have had this exact same debate. A very typical one being Prince throwing off his guitar at the end of his second aftershow in Holland in 2002.
Prince threw away his guitar at the end, people didn't understand it, obviously Prince would normally never throw away his guitar so wtf happened, it must have been us fans, it must have been that one loud fan up front who was yelling "PRINCE PRINCE" all night, the person in question is named and gets a lot of shit, Prince posts a thingie on his website saying he enjoyed the show and threw off his guitar cos he felt that was a good way to end the show.
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Reply #18 posted 08/07/07 12:24pm

syble

m3taverse said:

I might expand on this in a new thread once I figure out where to put it.

There's something interesting that happens with each and every tour.
Something always happens that makes fans go: why the fuck did that just happen.

The mechanism that follows is predictable and works something like this:

* there is the observation that Prince made a decision that we do not understand
* this decision, altho it was Prince's, is obviously not Prince's own choice
* so it must be something outside of Prince that caused it
* it's us fans that caused it!
* a minimum of 5 theories evolve around the concept of fans causing Prince to behave a certain way
* fans start policing other fans based on a theory based on a concept based on an assumption

This would make someone an excellent sociology paper, and it's all documented right here on the org.
Straight from my own memory I can think of at least 4 times we have had this exact same debate. A very typical one being Prince throwing off his guitar at the end of his second aftershow in Holland in 2002.
Prince threw away his guitar at the end, people didn't understand it, obviously Prince would normally never throw away his guitar so wtf happened, it must have been us fans, it must have been that one loud fan up front who was yelling "PRINCE PRINCE" all night, the person in question is named and gets a lot of shit, Prince posts a thingie on his website saying he enjoyed the show and threw off his guitar cos he felt that was a good way to end the show.
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very funny and well observed!!

so many people are kinda laying the blame for the non appearance at aftershows as tho we are chastised little kids who didnt behave well enough to get an appearance!! i blamed the booking of dr john as a big mistake not the poor overtired fans.

some people have posted sayin he was in the wings and stomped away etc kinds impying a scene outa purple rain, all pouty and peed off at not gttin his own way just the way he likes it lol

i think people here read too much into a person they dont evn know!!

more likes he was knackered thought dr john was holdin his own and went home for a hot bath!!

lol
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Reply #19 posted 08/07/07 1:03pm

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Prince opens a set with 'Satisfied', singing "turn off your cellphone", and then people wonder why he doesn't play at the aftershow!? Jeez...
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Reply #20 posted 08/07/07 5:24pm

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mrsquirrel said:

Prince opens a set with 'Satisfied', singing "turn off your cellphone", and then people wonder why he doesn't play at the aftershow!? Jeez...

lol thumbs up! I'm like so stealing this one
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Reply #21 posted 08/08/07 2:18am

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tintin said:

... and thats a possible reason for P not playing, then why aren't security confiscating cameras/phones on entrance?

Back in Hammersmith in 2002 we all had to surrender them when we went in for the soundcheck (although they probably weren't as popular back then.) As much as this would be a hassle, I would forego it if it created a better atmosphere for us and yer man.

Or am I on my own here?


I was there in 2002, and I certainly did not surrender my camera-phone. I wasn't asked to, but I would refuse if I they had asked. You might have a case for confiscating cameras, but try parting people with their mobile phones and you've got a riot on your hands!
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Reply #22 posted 08/08/07 2:39am

tintin

ian said:

tintin said:

... and thats a possible reason for P not playing, then why aren't security confiscating cameras/phones on entrance?

Back in Hammersmith in 2002 we all had to surrender them when we went in for the soundcheck (although they probably weren't as popular back then.) As much as this would be a hassle, I would forego it if it created a better atmosphere for us and yer man.

Or am I on my own here?


I was there in 2002, and I certainly did not surrender my camera-phone. I wasn't asked to, but I would refuse if I they had asked. You might have a case for confiscating cameras, but try parting people with their mobile phones and you've got a riot on your hands!


Why would you need a phone during a concert?? People should switch off their phones during a concert just as you would in a cinema or a theatre. Size of the auditorium has nothing to do with it.
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