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Printableunkleg said: tintin said: So let me get this straight; You're complaining before you've even gone to the gig??! That just takes the fucking biscuit. Seriously people, i'm embarrassed to be a UK fan right now. Just to be clear, I'm not jumping on some sort of bandwagon here. I have bought officially released aftershow tickets in the past (bagleys and nighttown) prior to the event, and yes Prince did perform. Ticketmaster were selling tickets to a Prince aftershow in advance, so it's fair to expect this was a pre-arranged fixture. If they had put in that line about 'Prince is not guaranteed to perform' from the start I wouldn't have bought tickets. Most of the aftershows I've been to in the past were word of mouth events, and if he didn't turn up to those, yeah, I guess I would agree moaning is a bit pointless. Equally pointless would be turning up to a gig (as you put it) which has the artist's name on it, someone else performing, and you not feeling like a total mug. If I'm taking the f**king biscuit what are TM doing, sending their profits to Oxfam?! [Edited 8/7/07 16:28pm] I agree mate, we needed to have been told by the promoter that there was a chance of Prince not appearing, otherwise we are simply being misled. We weren't even offered tickets to the Saturday night gig as a good will gesture. I have submitted a Watchdog complaint form detailing my grievances. Keep up the fight!!! I've never been one for this thing obsession... | |
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This is all getting rather embarrassing – I mean complaining to Watchdog that Prince didn’t play after you had juts seen him playing for 2 hours is a tad OTT. I bought aftershow tickets for Sat 4th knowing full well that he may, or may not, play. In my opinion the uncertainty adds to the excitement and paying £25 is a risk one takes. I had a good night and was happy to see Prince for 5 mins.
I can understand your sense of disappointment at not seeing Prince play but sending complaints out in this way just spreads a negative vibe which is contrary to what all of this should be about. If I were Price I would be tad p****d with all these so called “fans” winging about him not fulfilling his “contract” and quoting Terms of Conditions etc. Why can’t you all just live for the funk as opposed to the small print 
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FunKyMusketeer said: This is all getting rather embarrassing – I mean complaining to Watchdog that Prince didn’t play after you had juts seen him playing for 2 hours is a tad OTT. I bought aftershow tickets for Sat 4th knowing full well that he may, or may not, play. In my opinion the uncertainty adds to the excitement and paying £25 is a risk one takes. I had a good night and was happy to see Prince for 5 mins.
I can understand your sense of disappointment at not seeing Prince play but sending complaints out in this way just spreads a negative vibe which is contrary to what all of this should be about. If I were Price I would be tad p****d with all these so called “fans” winging about him not fulfilling his “contract” and quoting Terms of Conditions etc. Why can’t you all just live for the funk as opposed to the small print
Equally, why can't Prince just publish the list of who's performing or come clean at the time of booking that he may not perform? Or indeed, why sell the tickets with his name on them in the first place???? . |
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Jonfun said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio/watchdog/contact_sport.shtml
I am now moving onto Watchdog to complain. Please fill in and do the same we need justice. Ticketmaster know they are in the wrong thats why they have now put up that disclaimer. Good for you I'll be doing the same thing Fri was a disgrace... I hear he played a brilliant aftershow last night and feel happy for the guys that got that but sad that we didn't its just not fair... back in glasgow still upset! | |
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FunKyMusketeer said: This is all getting rather embarrassing – I mean complaining to Watchdog that Prince didn’t play after you had juts seen him playing for 2 hours is a tad OTT. I bought aftershow tickets for Sat 4th knowing full well that he may, or may not, play. In my opinion the uncertainty adds to the excitement and paying £25 is a risk one takes. I had a good night and was happy to see Prince for 5 mins.
I can understand your sense of disappointment at not seeing Prince play but sending complaints out in this way just spreads a negative vibe which is contrary to what all of this should be about. If I were Price I would be tad p****d with all these so called “fans” winging about him not fulfilling his “contract” and quoting Terms of Conditions etc. Why can’t you all just live for the funk as opposed to the small print
Couldn't agree more, what the hell is Anne fucking Robinson going to say on national tv that will get you all justice? [Edited 8/8/07 5:15am] | |
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scandalousalan said: FunKyMusketeer said: This is all getting rather embarrassing – I mean complaining to Watchdog that Prince didn’t play after you had juts seen him playing for 2 hours is a tad OTT. I bought aftershow tickets for Sat 4th knowing full well that he may, or may not, play. In my opinion the uncertainty adds to the excitement and paying £25 is a risk one takes. I had a good night and was happy to see Prince for 5 mins.
I can understand your sense of disappointment at not seeing Prince play but sending complaints out in this way just spreads a negative vibe which is contrary to what all of this should be about. If I were Price I would be tad p****d with all these so called “fans” winging about him not fulfilling his “contract” and quoting Terms of Conditions etc. Why can’t you all just live for the funk as opposed to the small print
Couldn't agree more, what the hell is Anne fucking Robinson going to say on national tv that will get you all justice? [Edited 8/8/07 5:15am] How many times does this need to be said? This is not a slur on Prince, I still worship his little heels, however, If a major corporation is selling you a ticket with the words "Prince - The official aftershow" printed on it, then they also need to let the customer know that there's a chance he may not perform!!! No matter how savvy a Prince fan you are & how much you know the score regarding aftershows, there still needs to be a printed disclaimer, otherwise all customers are entitled to their cash back. I pressured my 5 companions (none of which are P fans) into purchasing tickets for Friday's aftershow & they had no reason to doubt that he would perform when they handed over their hard-earned cash. Prince, O2 & AEG are making a phenomenal amount of cash from this month long residency, surely they don't have to resort to underhand tactics to make a few more quid? A refund as a good will gesture for those who attended indigo2 on Friday night wouldn't dent their cash coffers at all!!! I've never been one for this thing obsession... | |
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evonomis said: How many times does this need to be said? This is not a slur on Prince, I still worship his little heels, however, If a major corporation is selling you a ticket with the words "Prince - The official aftershow" printed on it, then they also need to let the customer know that there's a chance he may not perform!!! No matter how savvy a Prince fan you are & how much you know the score regarding aftershows, there still needs to be a printed disclaimer, otherwise all customers are entitled to their cash back. I pressured my 5 companions (none of which are P fans) into purchasing tickets for Friday's aftershow & they had no reason to doubt that he would perform when they handed over their hard-earned cash. Prince, O2 & AEG are making a phenomenal amount of cash from this month long residency, surely they don't have to resort to underhand tactics to make a few more quid? A refund as a good will gesture for those who attended indigo2 on Friday night wouldn't dent their cash coffers at all!!! Yes, AEG and O2 are making money. But arenas don't build, staff and power themselves, you know. These gigs aren't 100% profit, as some fans seem to assume. This negativity all goes back to Prince ultimately. He'll be the one that Watchdog attacks if the complaints get on TV. He'll be the one that AEG complains to if they're forced to issue refunds. And he'll be the one who decides whether he ever plays in the UK (or even Europe) again. If you really do worship the man, accept you took a gamble that didn't pay off or that you misunderstood what you were buying, and let it go. Plenty of other people knew Prince wasn't guaranteed to show and that it was just a party he would drop in on if he felt like it. How come you didn't? | |
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sean2003 said: evonomis said: How many times does this need to be said? This is not a slur on Prince, I still worship his little heels, however, If a major corporation is selling you a ticket with the words "Prince - The official aftershow" printed on it, then they also need to let the customer know that there's a chance he may not perform!!! No matter how savvy a Prince fan you are & how much you know the score regarding aftershows, there still needs to be a printed disclaimer, otherwise all customers are entitled to their cash back. I pressured my 5 companions (none of which are P fans) into purchasing tickets for Friday's aftershow & they had no reason to doubt that he would perform when they handed over their hard-earned cash. Prince, O2 & AEG are making a phenomenal amount of cash from this month long residency, surely they don't have to resort to underhand tactics to make a few more quid? A refund as a good will gesture for those who attended indigo2 on Friday night wouldn't dent their cash coffers at all!!! Yes, AEG and O2 are making money. But arenas don't build, staff and power themselves, you know. These gigs aren't 100% profit, as some fans seem to assume. This negativity all goes back to Prince ultimately. He'll be the one that Watchdog attacks if the complaints get on TV. He'll be the one that AEG complains to if they're forced to issue refunds. And he'll be the one who decides whether he ever plays in the UK (or even Europe) again. If you really do worship the man, accept you took a gamble that didn't pay off or that you misunderstood what you were buying, and let it go. Plenty of other people knew Prince wasn't guaranteed to show and that it was just a party he would drop in on if he felt like it. How come you didn't? Here lies the big difference in the fan base. The fams and the fans. I don't worship him, nor do not accept the threat of P not playing these shores again because some people won't roll over and be screwed by bad management, no matter who it is. Its like banging your head against the wall. The fams won't accept the facts, even when they are staring them in the face. . |
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Just to clarify, I don't worship the man, either (I was quoting). And I think the VIP tickets people do have a genuine grievance. And I think the ticket sales for the main event have been pretty poorly managed.
But the whole aftershow thing, I don't believe. I didn't get tickets because I knew he wasn't guaranteed to play and I didn't want to stay up all night to find out. I don't understand how people got the impression they were buying tickets for a second Prince concert, and I have yet to see any evidence staring me in the face on that one. So far nobody's responded with links or scans or even reported text that suggests Prince would perform every night. To me, it looks like people went to an aftershow, lost a gamble and are just claiming they didn't know Prince might not show to get their money back because they're annoyed they stayed up all night for nothing. Plenty of other people knew it was a gamble when the tickets were being sold. The word on here was that there would be live music every night and Prince would play if he felt like it. I'm not saying go easy on Prince because he's Prince. I'm saying let the aftershow thing drop, because you're wrong, and it is going to come back on Prince sooner or later. | |
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Jonfun said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio/watchdog/contact_sport.shtml
I am now moving onto Watchdog to complain. Please fill in and do the same we need justice. Ticketmaster know they are in the wrong thats why they have now put up that disclaimer. THANKS..I will! Keep me posted please! Saskia. | |
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Sean2003,
You mean apart from the fact they were (and still are) listed on Ticketmaster under Music concerts - Prince.????? You mean apart from the early press statements claiming the aftershows where your chance to jam with Prince? You mean apart press releases reminding everyone of Prince's "lengendary" aftershows. You mean apart from the fact that we fans for years have clearly gone by an unwritten rule. Aftershow = Performance. Afterparty = Party. You mean apart from the fact that P himself said he would be playing the arena and smaller club gigs? You mean apart from the fact that Prince's name is on the ticket, yet he didn't show up???? Yep, no implication there then! 
Despite all this, you still want to insist everyone is wrong...because...you knew he might not show!?!?! Legally, AEG are completely in the wrong. I bet you anything on that. We shall see. You can come and apologise to these people when they get their refund.... 
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SquirrelMeat said: Sean2003,
You mean apart from the fact they were (and still are) listed on Ticketmaster under Music concerts - Prince.????? You mean apart from the early press statements claiming the aftershows where your chance to jam with Prince? You mean apart press releases reminding everyone of Prince's "lengendary" aftershows. You mean apart from the fact that we fans for years have clearly gone by an unwritten rule. Aftershow = Performance. Afterparty = Party. You mean apart from the fact that P himself said he would be playing the arena and smaller club gigs? You mean apart from the fact that Prince's name is on the ticket, yet he didn't show up???? Yep, no implication there then!
Despite all this, you still want to insist everyone is wrong...because...you knew he might not show!?!?! Legally, AEG are completely in the wrong. I bet you anything on that. We shall see. You can come and apologise to these people when they get their refund....
. [Edited 8/8/07 8:49am] That would be a much stronger post with links in it although the only one of those that stands up legally is the Ticketmaster/concerts one. Press releases would be rock solid if from AEG/O2/Prince and they said or implied Prince was playing every single night. Press reports amount to little more than speculation like you get on this forum, depending on where they are and who's quoted. MTV clearly said the gigs were 'aftershow parties' (http://www.mtv.co.uk/channel/mtvuk/news/12072007/prince_adds_aftershows) and Music Week speculated 'The New Power Generation will perform after every O2 Arena show, with some mooted to include appearances by Prince himself.' (but it was pure speculation, anyway - http://lists.prince.org/msg/12/230639). I can't find any other press announcements, although there must be millions of them. If you really thought you were buying a Prince concert ticket, I'm sorry you feel swindled. Personally, I think you should have done a bit more research, but I understand you feel you've been mis-sold. But it would be good if someone could provide some real links or clippings that show evidence that support these claims, if only because those that are claiming a refund can use them to support their case. | |
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That would be a much stronger post with links in it although the only one of those that stands up legally is the Ticketmaster/concerts one. Press releases would be rock solid if from AEG/O2/Prince and they said or implied Prince was playing every single night. [/quote] There are two key facts about this situation. 1. Ticketmaster have now put a disclaimer on their site warning future customers about what the are buying. If there was no wrong doing, why would they do this? It shows acceptance that they previously mislead thier customers. 2. AEG promoted a Prince Aftershow AND Dr. John on the same night. This is also misleading - I should be able to make a choice if I want to spend £25 to see Dr. John, not be mis lead into it. And for all those who claim it was an afterparty - trust me, as a person that was there, there was no such party vibe. Just a bunch of people waiting around for 3 hours for a show that never happened. [list] | |
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Its not an attcak on Prince, its Ticketmaster fault and they know it. Thats why they have know put up a notice warning about Prince might not show up.
Also does anyone else think thats its kinda weird how Prince all of a sudden turned up on Saturday and Tuesday at the aftershows. He probaly knows about all of the complaints. | |
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Latest Tickemaster response.
Thank you for your email regarding your booking for Prince – The official Aftershow Party. Your correspondence has been forwarded to AEG, the promoter of the event, who will respond to you directly as soon as possible. Kind Regards Lynsey England | |
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Aftershow says concert to me. They probably should have called them afterparties. | |
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We also went from Holland to the aftershow where P after 6 houyrs waiting didn't show.This is what we got from
Watchdog-Hauntdogs for the tichetdisaster- Thank you Thank you for taking the time to write to BBC Watchdog... Because we receive so many emails, faxes, letters and phone calls, we are unable to respond personally to each and every one. However, your correspondence will be read by our research team and if we are able to pursue your complaint, a researcher from the Consumer Unit will contact you. Once again, many thanks The Watchdog Team AWJ said: Jonfun said: My complaint to Watchdog is now been sent. I would advise everyone thats wants thier money back off Ticketmaster to complain to Watchdog.
http://prince.org/msg/12 Here you can find lots of information on lots of complaints. Ticketmaster sold tickets for a Prince aftershow at the O2Indigo. Bought the tickets for this event in good faith from ticketmaster where it was advertised in the concert section as a Prince Aftershow. The night of the concert Prince did not attend to the show, instead he was replaced with a act called Dr John. I bought two tickets for this event for a total amount of £56.75. Prince was backstage and his guitar was set up to play. Then all of a sudden around 1.45am his guitar was taken away and he left with out performing. Ticketmaster have had loads of complaints and are refusing to give refunds apart from one guy who claims he as been refunded, so why as he been refunded and no one else as. Since all these complaints about this none performance by Prince ticketmaster have now put this on thier site. (The White hot place to hang for those still in need of some serious grooves. Prince and the band are not guaranteed to perform.) This was put up 5/6 August They sold thousands of tickets before this was up. Its no good putting this up after the show I went to. Ticketmaster have lead a lot of fans on. All the Friday night aftershow fans should get thier money back. Anyone who bought tickets before that notice went up should be able to get a refund. I did not pay all that money to travel from Wales to watch Dr John. Please help a lot of people that feel let down by Ticketmaster. Ok people complaint sent to those bad boys at Watchdog! | |
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