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PrintableMaradona said: unique said: they didn't auction any floor tickets, and the tickets that were auctioned were bought by people willing to pay a price equal to or higher than the price they bought them for they did auction floor tickets --where have u been mate it was front row tiers AFAIK, not floor tix. perhaps classed in the vip or gold circle area, but not on the floor someone post some evidence if i'm mistaken. as far as i recall, all the front row tix were in one single block at the front of the lower tiers, i didn't see any in the floor area | |
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Hi guys, I am sorry to read your angry posts. I didn't buy tickets yet but now got two floorseats in the F-section  | |
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unique said: Maradona said: they did auction floor tickets --where have u been mate it was front row tiers AFAIK, not floor tix. perhaps classed in the vip or gold circle area, but not on the floor someone post some evidence if i'm mistaken. as far as i recall, all the front row tix were in one single block at the front of the lower tiers, i didn't see any in the floor area Believe me, front row floor tix were auctioned. I got row A block B2 baby!  | |
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SCNDLS said: m3taverse said: FYI, today O2 has been sending out emails, and TM has been telling people on the phone, that the staggered ticket sales are AEG's idea, not theirs. AEG is the tour promoter, same guys that did the Musicology tour in the US. Apparently AEG tells TM which blocks to release and when. AEG have been telling people the shows were sold out while they were and are not, at many times leaving only the VIP packages available. Creating this artificial scarcity is dubious to say the least, and I really do not care whether this is common practise or not. [Edited 7/21/07 13:47pm] I agree it all seems sneaky and suspect. But this email just sounds like TM is trying to pass the buck because this has been the norm for ALL non-Prince shows I've been to in the last 3 years where I bought tickets through Ticketmaster. I got 5th row to Jay-Z two weeks before the show but was in nosebleeds when I tried to purchase tix during a PREsale. A few months ago, I got first row to Diana Ross the day before the concert and 7th row to Aretha Franklin 3 days before. I had checked tickets for both early on and they were crappy seats. I'm just saying that this practice is the norm for all shows I've been to thru TM and it ain't unique to Prince. It would be bad business and plain stupid for TM to admit they were in on it from the start especially knowing how much people hate TM anyway. [Edited 7/22/07 9:11am] That email was actually from the O2 venue people. I think TM can't afford sending people emails like this. "this especially prepared potato is called pomme de terre" | |
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m3taverse said: Poorly planned, my ass!
Prince and AEG have deliberately staggered ticket sales in such a way as to create artificial scarcity, all the while communicating to fans and press that the shows were sold out. Here is a rough overview of what happened. * Priority seating scheme for O2 subscribers. Fans are emailed by 3121.com to get their ass in gear and buy a mobile phone so they can get early access to awesome seats. Later these seats turn out to be upper tier only. * Normal ticket sales start. There is a regular and a VIP package. Within 24 hours TM lists most shows as sold out, leaving only the VIP package available. 3121.com has news of the shows selling out, and offers links to remaining VIP packages. * Extra shows are scheduled in. Again these "sell out" within 24 hours, leaving only the VIP package. 3121.com has news of the extra shows, of how they sold out, and how there are still VIP packages available. * An auction is organized, to give everyone a fair chance of getting the final remaining good seats. Every single person that I know that bid on a seat, won it, somehow. * Good news! The O2 has finished construction and they bent space/time somehow to create a large amount of additional floor seats that were never available before, even tho these blocks of seats were on all seating charts from the very beginning. Get them while they last! Interestingly, these seats are better than what many fans had been able to purchase up to that point. * Fans are called upon to purchase remaining seats in a special former-npgmc package. As it turns out, anyone and everyone can fill out the "former-npgmc" form. When you do, you will get an email giving you a code that will let you buy these special seats. Throughout this process TM continually releases seating blocks that are better than the seats that were available before. The release of these blocks are timed to coincide with planned press exposure for Prince. This is so true - it's amazing that us fams can posess such intelligence and clarity and yet still get treated like we were born yesterday - spot the fool with so many tickets they don't know what to do with them (I'm sure I can cope going 7 times though!) when all they wanted to do was be at the front for their very first Prince gig -----> I'm here  [Edited 7/22/07 14:18pm] | |
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SCNDLS said: m3taverse said: FYI, today O2 has been sending out emails, and TM has been telling people on the phone, that the staggered ticket sales are AEG's idea, not theirs. AEG is the tour promoter, same guys that did the Musicology tour in the US. Apparently AEG tells TM which blocks to release and when. AEG have been telling people the shows were sold out while they were and are not, at many times leaving only the VIP packages available. Creating this artificial scarcity is dubious to say the least, and I really do not care whether this is common practise or not. [Edited 7/21/07 13:47pm] I agree it all seems sneaky and suspect. But this email just sounds like TM is trying to pass the buck because this has been the norm for ALL non-Prince shows I've been to in the last 3 years where I bought tickets through Ticketmaster. I got 5th row to Jay-Z two weeks before the show but was in nosebleeds when I tried to purchase tix during a PREsale. A few months ago, I got first row to Diana Ross the day before the concert and 7th row to Aretha Franklin 3 days before. I had checked tickets for both early on and they were crappy seats. I'm just saying that this practice is the norm for all shows I've been to thru TM and it ain't unique to Prince. It would be bad business and plain stupid for TM to admit they were in on it from the start especially knowing how much people hate TM anyway. [Edited 7/22/07 9:11am] Yeh, i have no doubt TM knows all about creating this type of artificial scarcity to maximize revenue. I do however believe what is stated in that email that I quoted to be correct. That the promotor is the ticket owner, and can control which tickets are released and when. It doesn't matter really. The end result is the same. I've been trying to figure out what business sense it makes to put people that buy early in the back, while improving seating as time goes on. And I figured it out. Fact : the type of people that buy early will buy any seat just to be there. Fact : all other buyers are more casual towards the artist, and therefore pose higher demands on the rest of the experience. i.e. seating. So purely from a business perspective, this staggered release of tickets where quality of seats improves as time goes on, is very clever and probably something that needs to be done to fill large venues. That this screws over fans is an unfortunate side effect. Again from a business perspective : fans can deal with pain, casuals can't. What is really crossing a line for me tho is that they created scarcity that did not really exist. Telling the press and fans that shows were sold out while offering expensive VIP packages and auctions is dubious to say the least. This really fucked over a lot of people. For me personally it is all the same, I got money. But I'm reading stories on HQ that are breaking my heart. "this especially prepared potato is called pomme de terre" | |
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unique said: Maradona said: they did auction floor tickets --where have u been mate it was front row tiers AFAIK, not floor tix. perhaps classed in the vip or gold circle area, but not on the floor someone post some evidence if i'm mistaken. as far as i recall, all the front row tix were in one single block at the front of the lower tiers, i didn't see any in the floor area Why do you think anyone would make this up? I also have front row tix I bought at auction from TM. Per TM, You won and purchased the following ticket(s): Section BK E1, row A, You can also still see the exact auction info for each date. Here one of the many links to the info. http://www.ticketmaster.c...6A73F31/1/ | |
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It seems to me that the only people to have benefitted from this fiasco are the scalpers who bought up all the initial tickets only to sell them on e-bay to mugs like myself who couldn't get them. I paid £112 for 2 tickets block 112 row W on e-bay thinking that all shows were sold out. I've since bought 2 more for the same night from Ticketmaster for block 112 row C and a ticket for the opening night block 110. So me, a genuine fan £250 down, e-bay scalper quids in AND they still have tickets for themselves. This is SO WRONG! | |
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Malloy said: unique said: it was front row tiers AFAIK, not floor tix. perhaps classed in the vip or gold circle area, but not on the floor someone post some evidence if i'm mistaken. as far as i recall, all the front row tix were in one single block at the front of the lower tiers, i didn't see any in the floor area Believe me, front row floor tix were auctioned. I got row A block B2 baby! Now THAT sounds like the kind of floor seats worth getting. Not these F1 and F2 fanclub ones where you won't be able to see half the action. |
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Yes, Front row floor seats were auctioned earlier on. If you look up the auctions on TM you can see the final prices. Only about 110 quid per ticket on most of them. Not that 110 quid is cheap but not bad for FRONT ROW FLOOR. I missed out on it. Happy with my tix and price though. | |
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leecaldon said: Malloy said: Believe me, front row floor tix were auctioned. I got row A block B2 baby! Now THAT sounds like the kind of floor seats worth getting. Not these F1 and F2 fanclub ones where you won't be able to see half the action. I still have one extra front row seat if anyone's interested. | |
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unique said: how do you come to those figures? if every ticket was sold for every show, it would be about £15m gross, out of which 17.5% is vat. then there are fee's for the hire of the building, staff, management, advertising and promotion and everything else. the agent alone will likely get about 20% of the gross usually a promotor will pay a fee to the artist, and take care of all the money coming in, and all the costs required. prince won't get anything like £10m, and out of his cut he still needs to pay the band Quoting from Rolling Stone magazine regarding the Musicology tour : ...in 2004. With $90.3 million in ticket sales, he returned to center stage after a decade in the commercial wilderness, scoring the year's second-highest-grossing tour. And thanks to low production costs, his net take was larger than top grosser Madonna's. (It took twenty-four trucks to haul around Madonna's mammoth tour, while Prince's bare-bones show needed only twelve.) Prince took a reported eighty-five percent of the profits from the concerts, which earned an average $910,000 a night -- and he'll command a higher percentage next time.  | |
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well i had block 103 for tonights show but ended up also buying block C2 which went on sale this morning |
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Block A1 is for sale now.
If you are dissatisfied with your tickets, don't forget to send a complaint to BBC's television programme 'Watchdog'. See also this thread for more information and Ticketmaster  scam theories: http://prince.org/msg/12/236224 | |
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