Will someone please ask when the first CD for the Music Club can be expected? I don't care what you have to do to get Prince's attention...make a sign. Write it on your dress....just get the info. The year is ticking away & so far we have nothing.

Expect 4 CD's as a Christmas 'gift'

I think Prince has already said the first one will be released in a few weeks.

Is that a rolling few weeks?

I want to know shipping date & time down to the time zone. Prince's idea of time is rather vague (he doesn't believe in it).

Irish I think you need to relax; find a hobby or something. For the love of God you should have better things to worry about then when you are going to get your cd. It will come when it comes.

lovemachine said:

And I think you should mind your own business. I want what I paid for, or at the very least a less than vague release date. I seriously doubt that I'm alone in this either. I suppose it's your "hobby" to defend Prince at all costs? Even plain logic?
[This message was edited Mon Apr 15 7:28:31 PDT 2002 by IrishEcho]

IrishEcho said:

Nahh I always pay up front for things that I'm not sure if I'll ever receive.

IrishEcho said:

Whether you're alone in this doesn't say much given the crowd.

The point is, even if you had a solid release date, it wouldn't mean jack. Artists on the 'Big Five' labels, with massive marketing machinery behind them, have release dates pushed back time and time again, as most people know.

Release dates from Prince mean even less. The first release date, on any project, is only the first-release-date-to-be-passed-and-disregarded.

You were guaranteed at least 4 CDs for your membership. You were NOT guaranteed information about them, or releases throughout the year at equal intervals.

You've gotten as much info as you'll get out of Prince. Pushing the issue won't make him think, 'Golly gee, the peeps really want what they paid for!' There are countless reasons why the music may be completed and burned onto a CDR for playback at the concerts, like TRC was at The Celebration, but not ready for commercial production.

Did I really have to spell out what lovemachine said in 3 sentences? (You'd say "no", but I pitied you, and wrote it out anyway.)

ShabasLove said:

Forgive me for not apathetically waiting around like a little sheep. Forgive me for not just saying "Bye $100, I hope to see something in my mailbox eventually."

"Artists on the 'Big Five' labels, with massive marketing machinery behind them, have release dates pushed back time and time again, as most people know."

Give me a break! Prince could VERY EASILY say "we're sending the CDs out quarterly, expect one to be mailed out on or around the 15th of every third month of the year." Do you really have to defend his every action or inaction with such blind devotion?

You don't have to spell out anything, because you've already proven your stupidity. I want to know what I am getting and when I am getting it. $100 is not chump change for a lot of people. Whether or not I was guaranteed information on a product I pre-purchased, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT TO ASK. They had to at least have some idea of what it was in advance.

I don't need the pity of such an a$$kisser.

I just hope he doesn't throw them together cause he needs to fulfill his obliagtions like he did with alot of the last WBros records. I wish he would just use the web site and the club to be more interactive and fun. Let us download old stuff or a video of Prince recording a song, or interviews. anything! There's so much he has over his 20+ career that we would all love to see and hear and instead we get one song "silicon' that is sub-par at best. Why doesn't he hire a staff of 1 or 2 people and pay them to get on the case? His web club costs more than any other, yet it offers the least. Strange but true.

If you don't believe me check out

www.U2.com

www.nodoubt.com

www.thenewdeal.ca

www.lennykravitz.com

Whether you like the groups or not, they are great sites with great stuff offered like journals, live recording videos, message boards, new mp3's, all the old videos and much more. And again it's free and much more fun than Prince's site which is low on news and high on retail. Sell, sell sell!

{Sigh}{Head-shake}

In your haste to prove yourself better, smarter, rational, and whatever else, you forgot realistic, or perceptive.

Both to lovemachine and to me you mentioned asskissing and defending P at all costs. All the while, no one has done any such thing. If anything, it's contempt for a camp that can barely scratch it's own ass without a signed order from a man with only so many hours in a day. Everytime a release is scheduled, all the frickin' "fams" that couldn't form an original thought with a gun put to their head start bitchin' about when their precious gems are going to show up, meanwhile pulling their hair out trying to censor their own feelings to focus on "positivity".

The point about the Big Five labels is not to say that P couldn't do it easier -- he could if he could get his shit together -- but that with his "organization" it's just all the work to do with a limited staff. He COULD say that the CDs are coming on a certain schedule, but the entire point is that there is no schedule that a man like P would, or perhaps could, ever stick to. And for that reason, you could find something else to fixate on, rather than trying to control the uncontrollable. Accept that he doesn't want you to know. You should've known that before forking over your $100. What seems reaonable to you, or to me, doesn't ever factor in.

Saying what you're doing is not going to help is simply accepting reality. No matter how many times you demand, in a half-assed attempt at humor, or just plain rudeness -- I honestly can't tell since you failed to deliver any tonal cues in your message at all -- for NPGMC members to ask P when the CD will drop, you'll get the same vague answer that still won't mean anything because you can't hold him to it.

Do I agree with it? Do I think it's right? Nope. But do I think what you're doing is pointless, fruitless, and annoying? Yep.

Do you care what I think? Nope.

ShabasLove said:

And in your attempt to portray yourself in a superior light, & distance yourself from typical "fam" behavior, you've done the exact opposite. You're not defending Prince? That's laughable. I paid for a product. I want it. I stated that. Does that level of logic escape your grasp? Apparently so. You're not a fan? Then why deify Prince with your statements and rationalizations "a man like Prince?" Get a grip. You are a "fam" of the worst kind and you don't even see it. Prince goes by schedules, deadlines & production timelines in the production & manufacture of his music just as anyone else in his industry does - once it has been started. He can tell anyone who asks when the CD has been pressed, when the artwork has been completed, when they have been sent to members. Prince may not believe in time, but the rest of the world involved in the production and distribution and the waiting for these CDs certainly does. It's not asking the world of him to ask when we can expect them in the mail. It's a question. A completely justifiable inquiry from anyone who dropped $100 and is expecting a return on his or her investment. And you can bet he knows what's coming and when.

You knew with last years edition of the club that you would be getting one batch of new songs a month. When you didn't, you were notified (ex: when they let you know you'd be getting two months at the same time). Expecting some form of acknowledgement in terms of a schedule in this years version of the club is hardly asking the world. Something of a precedent has been set.

Who are you to divine how Prince will answer this question if he is asked repeatedly? Maybe some new information has surfaced since he last answered. Did that thought escape you? Can a thought like that even register with you?

Yes, it's terribly annoying & completely out of line of me to be curious when I'll be getting what I paid for. Go figure.

Well, your last statement is on the money at least.

Yes, you've stated it, and nobody that can help you cares. That's the deal. You can "want" and "expect" all you want and it won't make a difference.



You're clueless. If you could grasp the flow of my words, you would understand that I'm saying that P's releases are the product of a disorganized and conflicted mind (even if sometimes organized in his musical composition). To paraphrase someone I can't quite remember, 'Prince is a genius when it comes to being a musician, but a rank amateur when it comes to being a human being.' There's some truth to that. I'm saying Prince is too unstable to form a concrete schedule. He'll do it when he feels like it.



Prince is horribly inept in business matters regarding his music. It's not that cut-and-dried. Think he pays all his bills?



Yep. And he'll tell you when he wants to -- most likely only by shipping it. Asking when any of those steps have been completed is useless, since fully produced CDs have sat on his shelves much longer than the length of the club. Anything he says has absolutely no merit -- tomorrow he may change his mind. The CDs he has produced now, and planned to ship, could be stocked away in lieu of another project at the drop of hat.

You'll know the CDs are shipping when someone reports they've received one. Short of that, a confirmation from Prince, the NPGMC website, or any inside source is virtually worthless.

I've had enough. I'm out.

ShabasLove said:

Don't worry. You won't be missed.

IrishEcho in another argument...what a surprise!

divo02 said:

And divo02 with zero to contribute...what a surprise.

ZERO STARS!

Are we rating your personality? Then yes, I agree.