CarrieCee said:[quote]selena said:[quote]

CarrieCee said:

I hear ya Selena. I agree with 99% of what you're saying. DSMR just needed to get some things off his chest and he's getting bashed for it. It's not necessary.

Anyhoo, I still love Prince but I don't agree with everything he's doing. It hasn't gotten to the point where I'm totally pissed off about it, I just try to ignore it and hope it's another phase of his.

He is going through more stuff now than he ever has in his entire life. I fear this phase is going to take a lot longer to go away than his other changes.

For what it's worth to u guys... heres my take on prince: 1st of all, he does change alot. from a real sweetheart to sarcastic crab.(mood swings). i guess it depends how he feels. however, we can all be said to be that way in one way or another, with the DIFFERENCE BEING he is performer and thus should make a REAL EFFORT to be gracious TO all and AT all concerts the same one and all. the first few concerts he did (we know where they were) were not as good as far as perks for npgmc members. no soundchecks, aftershows, or contact with him. then were the shows that sported these perks. that is NOT FAIR. this was because he either didnt feel up to them, or the "right" people/entertainers werent there as were in NYC. but yet, we payed the same, right? why screw some of us? it also seems like he's doing lots of advertising of his club on this tour...as is probobly why he's so attentive to the fans now. my opinion, is that he wants to make a killing on this odyssey, because hes old now, a TOTALLY DIFFERENT PERSON, a born again christian? (is that the same as jw btw?). he may never have the chance again. also, he needs us hardcores so that he can live his life in luxury as we are the only ones now who will provide that. +++++ he's saving immensely on no radio or video exposure, he has dancers, but are from the club/audience area and are free. no tv appearances, blah, blah, blah...however he does have travel expenses, but i believe he stays in a bus? no hotels. he'll continue to sell over the internet, and on his own label... he can virtually live off the hardcores the rest of his life & he wants as many as possible. to be in any part of prince's life u must be a npg member from now on. u also have to see eye 2 eye with his beliefs. now, these tactics are usually called good business, or good public relations, except the personal stuff i mean. but lets say here,prince knows he's got us hooked with his music, and these soundchecks, and aftershows (when they happen). +++++ frankly i get a bit worried when i see some people going so "overboard" with compliments of his concerts because it sounds like their looking to prince as a GOD. he can do no wrong, and we know deep down, he still does, but are afraid to say so because he may stop soundchecks etc... it is worrisome to idolize someone this much. prince, imho, likes his fans, but i feel sometimes he's like a cult leader, or getting to be. he' probobly thinking mainly of himself and family and their future, which again, to a point, he must. +++++ we think of ourselves an elitist in his small group of SPECIAL club members, but it WILL be getting larger with this tour, and thats again, ok. but i think prince sees himself as our leader and once there were so many people opposed to his preaching when trc came out and now we accept it and are agreeing with him more and more. i think prince wants to do more than sell us music, imo. +++++ bold i have heard that he has a song out SILICON. in it, he is saying no one should get blood tranfusions...now, i also heard the jws were changing this rule? but, theres a limit. i didnt mind his religion as everyone needs a reminder to turn to their GOD, but now this... it's very worrisome, as some of us are very gullible, and the really, the nicer prince is to us, well...u can catch more flys with honey than vinegar as they say...be careful. this man IS addictive. i still like him VERY much, but wonder that in order to really break from him as DMSR says he's doing, BUT not 100%, u have to do it 100% and not less, or it wont work. you'll have to give him up completely & that includes the music, because it all goes in one package (the music and the man). you cant seperate. he IS addictive! the music makes u want to understand the man behind it. i'm not ready to make that choice myself yet. but prince is indeed different. u take him or leave him.

THECROSS2002 said:

Actually, yes. I thought he was going through the motions in the hit and run tour - it was the worst of the Prince tours I've seen (Lovesexy, Act II (twice), Jam of the year, Hit and Run, Rainbow Children). In fact, I think I enjoyed the rainbow children concert the most of them all. It was just about the music.

And the original complaint on this thread about the seating is bogus. Everyone can't get the best seat in the house. Things have improved greatly since I went to the cleveland show. I was the ONLY NPGMC club member in the front row because I only got 1 seat. actually front few rows - radio station giveaways and knowing friends accounted for the rest of the front seats.

The way it is now, the NPGMC fans get the all of the best seats. They can't all get the best seat, though. The more members there are, the further out the seats have to go to accomodate everyone. I don't have a problem with the first come, first serve seating, even if it means I likely never get in the front row again. However, once you get there, you should get a ticket with an assigned seat so you don't have to worry about losing it if you have to leave for a minute.

...will the person who held the gun to DMSR's head to sit through the 12 hours please stand up?

BTW, speaking of obsession, LADIES and (SOME OF THE ORG MEN?), please remember that it's NOT a joke, prince HAS changed and that includes his old sexual habits. i think he really is married, as HE said several times already, and i think he is being faithful. no reports of naughty behavior except innocent flirting. he says he has a new personality and he takes his bible VERY seriously. believe him. if any of us are here for anything more than his music, (and preaching, and trying to convert us to GOD), which are GOOD reasons to be here, if were here for a possible sex encounter with him, which was almost impossible EVEN in "the day" when he was free and sex played an important part in his life, forget it! not that this is bad. depressing, yes, but he's a new man with a new life and new goals. 100% or nothing. he's happy. it's reality. we have to work on making US happy too. without prince...

dml said:

Dude nobody held a gun to my head, but 12 hours of all that BS I finally realized I have more respect for myself and nobody should have to be put through that to hear yet another 20 minute version of Pass the Peas.

grandebelle said:

This is very true. He spends most of the year at Paisley Park, but when he goes out on the road for 3-4 months out of the year, he really should be ready to be gracious. NPGMC members should not be subjected to his mood swings or whims.

He can have his mood swings when he's at home on his own time and dime, not when he's on our time and dime. We are his PAYING customers. Being in a crabby mood and cheating some of your customers out of what they paid for is bad for business.

It's not all on Prince. Some of the ones that come to the shows are just as rude as Prince can be at times. They over step their bounds by assuming he owes them more than what he is supposed to give, he does have an obligation to the fans but only to an extent.

Supernova said:

I disagree. A musician can be so much more than a Senator, Congressman, State Treasurer. What are we learning from these people? Are there jobs more or less important than a musician's?

What is more influential than music and attitude coming from an artist while you are growing up feeling the same things? Should people only look for music lessons from a musician? Should people only look for friendship from friends and expect to be taught from teachers and parenting from parents? People don't come into this world all-knowing. They are influenced heavily by lots of people, and that determines their overall make-up.

Musicians are ambassadors for the masses - saying what the public feels, or at least a section of the public. People have to relate to them and be influenced by them. There has to be that connection for the fanbase to exist. And that influence translates into what the artist says, feels, thinks, does and yes, even wears (or how he writes, since lots of people seem to write like Prince does here).
Basically, people feel a connection beyond the technicalities of music alone.

To call people lost because they are totally influenced by an artist and his message beyond the music alone (or as you put it, looking for the meaning of life) is a tad harsh and judgmental, I reckon. Music can be and is a powerful emotional mix, not merely a lesson in how to play an instrument (though if that's all you see in it, I'll be the last to blast you...you're taking what's important to you).

Is it really surprising that Prince's music carries along with it attitudes and thoughts from Prince to his fans? The lyrics, the vibe, the attitude teaches them something...and often something other than their traditional 'teachers' or peers, religious leaders or people of so-called influence in their communities can communicate to them.

If that makes the fans lost in your eyes (and I'm one of them), so be it. Prince has taught me a LOT, supplemental to the things more or less everyone has to learn growing up. And I'm not afraid to say they've influence the way I live my life HEAVILY.

PS. This thread is an interesting one. Keep it up.

DMSR, Amen!! finally someone else is seeing what i have been saying for HOW LONG NOW?
P has done some great shit, has done being the operative here, but lately he's on this great jazz-melody vibe.. but the lyrics are not crunk and its not hitting, i don't claim to know where he's trying to hit, but home in this heart ain't it!!! i just heard the jan, downloads and they sound aiight, but prince is no longer speaking to me or for me, in his music he's somewhere else... and a pivotal part of his appeal was he was saying things i couldn't voice myself or he was telling me something i needed to hear... now

scarlettpussy said:[quote]DMSR, Amen!! finally someone else is seeing what i have been saying for HOW LONG NOW?
P has done some great shit, has done being the operative here, but lately he's on this great jazz-melody vibe.. but the lyrics are not crunk and its not hitting, i don't claim to know where he's trying to hit, but home in this heart ain't it!!! i just heard the jan, downloads and they sound aiight, but prince is no longer speaking to me or for me, in his music he's somewhere else... and a pivotal part of his appeal was he was saying things i couldn't voice myself or he was telling me something i needed to hear... now



Prince has moved on in another direction, you should do the same.

wooh sounded like a great show
i hope he brings it to glasgow scotland
then i can go in late and have THE man telling me that
i was late .....superb
rock n rolls alive

wow sounded like a great show!!
i hope he brings it to Glasgow Scotland
and i bet u all the people he told that they were late loved it...i know i would
in fact when it comes to glasgow im gonna be so late
he's gonna give me a lecture
Rock n Rolls alive people
be glad 2 b part of it

betra said:[quote]

Supernova said:

Disagree if you wish, yes their "job" is more important. And this is coming from a musician.




Look, if you agree with an adult who says "Prince taught me to cuss", well that's just STUPID. Intensely, irrevocably, horribly, STUPID.



See above. I stand by EVERYTHING I said.
[This message was edited Fri Apr 12 13:04:11 PDT 2002 by Supernova]

scarlettpussy said:

Yea after listening to TRC a few more times, I realized the lyrics are my main concern with this record. The only song that I could remotely relate to was "She Loves Me for Me" and maybe "Mellow" the rest of the songs are preachy gospel songs that I can't really relate to. Even 1+1 would have been much better with better lyrics.

Supernova said:

When I said "he taught me to swear", I was half-joking meaning that the first time I had hears language like his is when I was a young kid listening to Dirty Mind and 1999. Your point of the fact that Prince is only a musician only backs up my argument that HE thinks he is more than that! He wants to be our GOD or something and tell us how to live our lives and what to believe in and that's what's really turning me off. If he had stuck to just the music, then it would have been much better. I mentioned earlier that Bono and Sting do get preachy for their causes as well, but it's never said in the way Prince says it. It's to save the rainforest or to free Amnesty prisoners. Prince is telling the fans how they should act and what to believe in, there's a big difference. Prince's ego is so big now he thinks that whatever he says or does people will follow. And I guess he's right, by reading all these posts by the "followers" but I ain't drinking that Kool Aid no more.

DMSR said:

To tell you the truth, sometimes when a thread becomes as long as this one I forget WHO said what. But I do remember the comment. Glad to hear you were joking.



Well see, that's why I never said anything specifically about his "preaching" at the concert you went to: I wasn't there. I can only interpret what you said he said, or whether he said it. Because "preaching" quite frankly isn't always interpreted as such.



I don't know about all that. He's stating his beliefs as his beliefs, at least on recordings. I've never heard him say "if you don't do this, blah, blah, blah..." I don't get the "preachiness" aspect of it just because he states his own convictions.

Supernova said:

He used to just say Love God but now it's more of a "read the Scripture" "New Yorkers should have read the scripture before 9/11" "Join NPG if you want good seats" "Don't cuss" "It's not 1984" (yet he played all the old stuff anyway), "Are you a leader or a follower" then he rewarded the follower by letting him come onstage. all that was a bit much for me to take.

i feel u DMSR but @ the same instance... i'm Muslim by the Way... when P sez read the Scriptures i can agree with that 100% & he "STILL" sez Love God but we all Grow as Human beings & P'LL never b the person he used 2 b.

we can kind of look @ P like a Big Brother that u don't always AGREE with but u still Love him, u feel me?

DMSR said:
And yes people do change, so I say move over old Prince-

BRING ON D'ANGELO!! He will be the new KING![/quote]

_____


So go to D'ANGELO'S fan site and kiss his ass..... If you

didn't like that show, then you're not a real fan

anyway....Just cherish your "Hits 1&2" (I know you don't

listen to the B-sides) and maybe D'ANGELO

will cover yet another Prince song for you.



Just in case you casual fans forgot, when an artist

releases a new joint then goes on tour.....That's mainly

what is going to be played!....Since TRC is about 70

minutes long (with all the transitions) and on this tour,

the concert is around 3 hours, I can't see any room for

complaints.....Basically, about one 3rd of the concert was

spent playing his "new stuff".....Leaving around 2 hours

to play all the oldies for you whiny-ass mullet heads.








jealousy is not a strength, it is a weakness

bgladthaturfree

jaikman said:

_____


So go to D'ANGELO'S fan site and kiss his ass..... If you

didn't like that show, then you're not a real fan

anyway....Just cherish your "Hits 1&2" (I know you don't

listen to the B-sides) and maybe D'ANGELO

will cover yet another Prince song for you.



Just in case you casual fans forgot, when an artist

releases a new joint then goes on tour.....That's mainly

what is going to be played!....Since TRC is about 70

minutes long (with all the transitions) and on this tour,

the concert is around 3 hours, I can't see any room for

complaints.....Basically, about one 3rd of the concert was

spent playing his "new stuff".....Leaving around 2 hours

to play all the oldies for you whiny-ass mullet heads.








jealousy is not a strength, it is a weakness

bgladthaturfree[/quote]

Hey jakeman if you noticed I didn't really comment on the new music. So saying I only like the hits is not even close to what my point was. Saying I'm not a real fan because I didn't like the show doesn't make sense either. I know he can do better and I've seen him do better. Dude I have more Prince shit then you will ever have.

DMSR,

Where have you been for the last few tours, cds, etc.?

Most people here knew of these "issues" well before "The Rainbow Children"

Maybe you expected people to believe that you were an obsessed fan who knew absolutely nothing about NPGMC or his new beliefs.

If you listened to a singer, dancer, or entertainer to mold your moral beliefs,then you should be upset.

Has BVH posted here yet?
[This message was edited Fri Apr 12 15:20:32 PDT 2002 by NGSPW7200]

JESUS, THE POOR GUY JUST CAN"T WIN WITH U PEOPLE!!

I also spent the 12 hours watching Prince in NYC. I am more of a fan than ever. And no I am NOT one of those ass kissing Prince fans.

This was THE show for the fans, Prince seems to have done all he can, above and beyond the normal lengths to insure that we get the best seats and a show that is worthy of our devotion as long time listeners.

So you had to wait in line. Big deal. The soundcheck was incredible to
be that close and feel that loose with him. "Calhoun Sqaure' anyone?? "Power Fantastic' anyone?

And after ALL the bitching over the past few years about truncated medleys, and Vegas-type revues of greatest hits that we're all tired of, here, finally, is a show for us, the true fans with songs that Joe blo doesn't know or get. Songs from a new album, songs from unreleased albums..etc. FOR 3 HOURS!!!! And that's after the soundcheck!!!

Then to get in free to the 2 HOUR!! aftershow with Alicia Keys, Musiq...Yes we're all a bit tired of Doug E Fresh but this was the best I've seen him... and the version of "Joy" was complete with every lyric andaguitar solo from heaven that was only hinted at in soundcheck.

This ORGER who posted this is a kill-joy and needs therapy.
Seriously I don't get it. Just go see *NSYNC or something.

EVERYONE ELSE: MAKE SURE U SEE THIS TOUR!!!!

NGSPW7200 said:

No, you see I was upset because Prince THINKS he can mold my moral beliefs! All he is is a tiny man from Mpls who happened to be born with a talent to sing, dance and play 27 instruments. Period. Now I want the muthafucker to SING,DANCE and ENTERTAIN! That's what I paid for. ENTERTAIN me don't PREACH! Thanks for your help getting my point across.

Got bored about halfway down this thread, so excuse me if it's already been asked. What I am wondering is this, if you were so upset with the concert, why did you queue for the aftershow?

joshmos said:

Actually Prince only played for about an hour during the show and a half hour during the afterhsow. The rest was one long solo after another by Maceo, Larry G, Doug E Fresh for what seemed an eternity, Musiq, James Brown tributes and many other covers. Definitely not enoough Prince.

BombJack said:

I was hoping it would be great. I read all these reports about how good he is at the aftershow. Truth be told he sang about 15 minutes and let everyone else take over. I was in the second row at a Prince aftershow in NYC and I was bored. Talkin Loud went on for 20 minutes, Pass the Peas another 20, Doug E Fresh for 20 minutes, George Clinton another 20 minutes. Boring! That's when I finally realized I got to find some new artist out there who will get me excited to watch and listen to again. Hopefully someone will come along. I mentioned D'Angelo might develop into something. I liked his live show but not his last record. who knows it took Prince 3 albums to really get his groove going. Whoever it is definitely won't preach as much and definitely won't cost as much.

Supernova said:

For example at the DC concert, he took time out to thank everyone for supporting him through his "trials and tribulations". He went on to give special thanks to Larry and Tina Graham. In fact, he "could never thank them enough". He said the Grahams taught him how to read the New World Translation translation of the Bible and apply its teachings to his life.

Contrast this to the NYC show where he implies people were misguided before 9/11 and "the smart ones" were the people who "turn to their Bibles" afterwards. Both speeches try indirectly to encourage people to read the scriptures. However, P treated his audience with a lot more respect in DC. I had a good view of most of the NPGMC section at both shows. People were feelin' the DC comments far more than NYC one.

I think it's less of an issue of "preachiness" than it is respect.
[This message was edited Fri Apr 12 16:01:25 PDT 2002 by Tran]

wow...what day is it? where am i? this is one long arse thread...okay, im sure not that many people are still reading this thread..so i will be quick and brief...here we go:

1) wellbeyond- must you always argue issues to the bone? does the phrase, "agree to disagree", mean anything? :p

2) i think prince needs to realize that with the creation of his NPGMC he has created a "service for pay" program..and if he wants this endevor to be productive he is going to have to listen to customer responces and change things to accomidate...the NPGMC is completly different then an album (which is art)...he cant be an arse and get away with it..not when people have invested time and money into the program..thats basic business 101...you all need to realize that customers have the right to talk about the service they recieved...which brings me to issue....

3) all you annoying people who post your silly two sentence slams need to quit. RESPECT other's opinions!!!

4) dmsr- have you considered writing to NPGMC about your issues? maybe prince doesnt realize how inconvinient he is making the whole deal for his fans.....i am thinking about starting a thread to discuss how prince and his company can make this experience a more pleasant one for the consumer..what are your thoughts on that?

5) i am one of those fans who havent really been digging prince lately..but i thought that TRC was an okay album and I plan on going to see Prince in Concord (with the whole NPGMC perks)....didnt go to the hit& run shows cause his concerts had started to bore me...I plan on wearing a white-tee with the words "FAN" in the middle... hey, if prince can be sarcastic and have a sense of humor..so can i..right?

jaikman said:

_____


So go to D'ANGELO'S fan site and kiss his ass..... If you

didn't like that show, then you're not a real fan

anyway....Just cherish your "Hits 1&2" (I know you don't

listen to the B-sides) and maybe D'ANGELO

will cover yet another Prince song for you.



Just in case you casual fans forgot, when an artist

releases a new joint then goes on tour.....That's mainly

what is going to be played!....Since TRC is about 70

minutes long (with all the transitions) and on this tour,

the concert is around 3 hours, I can't see any room for

complaints.....Basically, about one 3rd of the concert was

spent playing his "new stuff".....Leaving around 2 hours

to play all the oldies for you whiny-ass mullet heads.








jealousy is not a strength, it is a weakness

bgladthaturfree[/quote]

Jaikman, that's not very nice, now is it?