Hahahahahahahahahah!!! You have got to be kidding me.This is the saddest thing I have ever seen on the org.Okay,not a good experience well too bad cause I love TRC and love the shows that I went to.Maybe because I am older and can enjoy music and not expect this man to be licking his guitar and humping the stage like he did 20 years ago. He has grown and even if you don't agree with his views he has the right to express them.I will continue to buy his music and go to his concert and I am sorry that you have lost your obsession.But as far as wanting him to offer up his sexual antics now is too late.It isn't going to happen.Sure the old stuff is great but so is the new stuff.I know in a few years you all will be talking about this album and letting your friends listen and not tell them who it is and watch their faces change when they discover who they are listening to. Prince is and always be the musician of my young life and as I get older so will he and I will enjoy every step of the journey.If you don't that,it makes me no nevermind.

wow...i'm not alone

otan said:

LoL....lying, no....a bit contradictory(or at the very least unspecific), oh yeah...lol


Still, funny tho...lol

wellbeyond said:

I read your arguments - and, you KNOW that no dictionary can define funk. Hell - no one person can define funk... it's a hybrid of soul, r&b, rock, blues, jazz... but NOT in that order. And the 2-minute funk jams ("Cramp Your Style" for instance) have the same impact, funk-wise, as "God Make Me Funky" by Headhunters... a song that does NOTHING, but takes you there if you let it.

And yeah, what YOU dig on the funk won't be what I dig. I guess. And I can really dig me a 15-minute funk jam that just sets it up... but maybe I'm missing the point...

Your point was, how can a man say he loves funk, and NOT like Xenophobia? I myself am a HUGE fan of funk, but find the jazzploration-type funk just annoying at best. But, to be honest, I can't say nothing about Xenophobia... never heard it.

Not once did I say "Xenophobia" doesn't have changes, solos or breakdowns. The song repeats the same thing for 6 minutes and rest isn't interesting enough to make me think it's amazing, IMO. It's a matter of taste! Our opinions aren't FACTS! I brought up the changes, solos and breakdowns because I was making an example of what makes a NON-monotonous funk song. You implied that funk HAS to be monotonous, by it's very definition! And that if you don't like the song's monotonous nature, then you don't like funk. I disagree with that and find it completely ludicrous. The other examples were of Prince jams that I do find monotonous but that are so funky, it doesn't matter. Re-read my post, because all "the shit" makes perfect sense, to me. But nooooo, you wanna go off on some tangent about what YOU think I INDIRECTLY said!

For the record, I never "complained" about "Xenophobia." To complain about something usually means you don't like it. I've already explained that I DO like it and that I think it's funky. I was describing MY impression of the song and why I don't find it AMAZING and how it's "nothing we haven't heard before." I can like something without thinking it's AMAZING, can I not? Re-read my post!!

Instead of questioning my "reasons", "credibility" and knowledge of "The Essence Of Funk", maybe could just accept that I feel differently about something than you do and respect our difference of opinion. Making attempts to "shoot down" my opinions that you don't agree with don't help to offer any insight as to why I feel the way I do. Which I'm assuming is why you asked, in the first place. If you only asked because you wanted argue with me and prove me wrong for having a different opinion, then next time, save it. Because that's very disrespectful and immature.

wellbeyond said:

DMSR, I technically agree with A LOT of what you say. It's funny you like the piano medley, as "Medleys" seem to be Prince's biggest weakness. I too, have put in a ton of money into Prince,and basically support him, along with another 40,000 or so other fools who probably obsess in some way or another. Sure, this band may not exist in two years, but to suggest that they were not tight, or amazing, is making me wonder if Prince just had an off night...or sucked in NYC. I went to two shows in Atlanta, and the one in Lakeland, and the first Atlanta show, and the Lakeland show were simply amazing. The second Atlanta show was a little flat, but still worth the money. This band is tight, and Prince's guitar playing is fantastic. Sure, if you're not into Xenophobia, or the TRC album, part of it might bore you. Hard to believe that the "Medley and Run" tour of 2000 was amazing to you. Prince used a lot more backing tapes, and even the songs he played in full, still were edited (Darling Nikki,and The Beautiful Ones were both a little edited). If you had front row, I bet you might have felt different. And he said the same damn thing about me being "late" for the soundcheck..while I was simply "Still Waiting," just to get in. Prince does have this "Holier than Thou," attitude about his religion, yet despite what everyone says, SOMEONE SHOW ME A VIDEO TAPE, OR AUDIO TAPE, WHERE HE SAYS HE IS 100% A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS...YOU CAN'T!!!...He is simply into this stuff now, like everything else, he'll get bored with it, and move on to something else...I drove 8 hours from Orlando to see this show, and was too tired to wake up at 9:00 to get first in line to have front row...row 7 was OK with me...Perhaps you should take a look at yourself, and wonder how one bad concert experience can get you to this point...Well DMSR, hope you don't go off the Prince experience...we need honest fans, even though I don't agree with everything, your opinions are needed here...

I agree with much of what you've said, although I guess there's still a lot left for me as I had a great time seeing Prince in Kentucky and Georgia. Is this partly a conditioned response due to the many years during which he was the best? Maybe, but I still had a ball and it was well worth the $.

I do agree and I can't understand why he doesn't dance anymore. Is it some weird religious thing? I know he is older and can't dance as MUCH as he did before, but he could dance some. I agree that I do miss it and I'm just befuddled as to why he would just stop.

actually, that WAS what drew me to him. the balance between his music and the message he offered

wellbeyond said:

A serious question, here...Cornerman made me think of it...


How many of you guys have.....well, wait..maybe I'll make a thread of it instead...lol...well, lemme ask anyway: How many of you guys became huge Prince fans in large part because of his "vision" on society, sex, spirituality and God??...


Ok, now off to make a thread about it..lol

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If you saw the show you would agree. There was way too much preaching, he's no Miles, and his attitude toward his fans was demeaning and sarcastic. No respect for us considering all the waitng around we had to do.
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I think he is very respectful towards his fans and club members. He is sarcastic a lot, but I don't think you would be happy if he was super casual and overly friendly. He has to maintain that cool image to an extent and I think most of us appreciate that. But I thought he was friendly enough at the two soundchecks I went to...sure he was bit of a smartass, but it was intended to be funny and it was. Cut the brother some slack.

As to the money issue again, if it isn't worth it, then don't go to the show. Prince has less fans now and less publishing income from hit records, so he has to support his lifestyle somehow. I would not pay $125 for a seat in the back, but I'm happy to pay that much for a seat down front. I'd probably pay the $ to a scalper if that was the only way to do it, so I'm glad that it goes to Prince instead.

I agree that there was too much preaching for me, but it didn't bother me,and if it made Prince happy, then I'm OK with it. I bet some of his fans appreciate his preaching, although I don't know how many. But religion seems to be his main hobby/passion besides music, so I have no problem if he gets carried away with it at times.

Good grief, folks still whining on this thread that Prince ain't sliding down a firepole and humping the stage anymore. LOL!


I've said it before, if you missed seeing Prince live between 1980 - 1992. You. Are. Short! You need to get some boot concert videos because you missed the boat.

This is to everyone that feels the same way as DMSR: Please, the next time Prince comes to your area don't try and get the best seats in the house. Hell, don't come to the show at all. Your butts were planted in seats other people would have loved to been in but couldn't get tickets.

a few things:

DMSR: The setlists for the ONA shows have been posted repeatedly for weeks now - WHY did you go to the show if you knew you wouldn't like what he was playing?

I'm not attacking you - you have the right to feel however you want. But it doesn't make sense to me that people continue to indulge in expensive things they're on the fence about. Yes, it's expensive. So if you're not gonna LOVE it, why bother???

Also, you lost MUCH credibility mentioning Craig David as the throne snatcher - good GOD! :O

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TheCross2002: You almost cried b/c you think Prince has "fallen" since PR??? Are you friends with Divinity or something? Taking this shit WAY too seriously - maybe that's the problem w/ some of you who are SO disappointed. Either live in the present w/ the man or jump off the boat. Don't continue to ride if you're hurling all over the damn place - that's just dumb.

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Supernova & Wellbeyond: as usual, you're 100% on point.

I would go watch Prince play Chopsticks.....it's just like that for me!

It's always gonna be a slammin' show--have seen him 7 times and have never been disappointed. If he tours once every 2-3 years, who gives a flying fuck if the tickets are $45, $75 or $125?

I'm agnostic, but his newer beliefs on spirituality don't threaten me. And I'm a big girl now, I was told up front exactly how the Club was going to go down and what was included. I also knew from reading that this would not be a Hit-N-Run tour, anyone else could've known that too.

Either shit or get off the pot, folks--looks like this is another point where the true fans and the provisional will part ways.

Things I've noticed about some hardcore Prince fans:

"He taught me to do this, he taught me to do that, he taught me to feel this, he taught me to feel that..."

Why in GOD'S friggin' name are you looking for a musician to teach you ANYTHING non-music related? He is not your Senator, he is NOT your congressman, he is not your State Treasurer - he composes and plays MUSIC for a living. For adults to look to Prince for the f***** meaning of life and how to live life reveals that you're completely lost to begin with. He's flawed, just like you, just like me, just like every human being whoever walked the earth. He's a musician making a living from what he does best: he is NOT running for President! The only thing Prince ever inadvertently taught me is of a musical basis alone. Since you're obviously not sheep to his religious rhetoric (and you should NOT be if you don't believe the same things to begin with), WHY were you sheep about his other rhetoric? Sheep is as sheep does...duuuhhhh.


"I'm not feeling Prince anymore."

No doubt, I wasn't feeling Prince for YEARS back in the 90s and had stopped buying his recordings and/or even paying that much attention to him. You know what else? I didn't come to the internet to Prince-related sites and Usenet groups to talk about him, and even now I've only been to his site maybe 5 times in the last year+. And I'm not a member of the NPGMC. But since I do like his new direction on a musical basis I many times come to Prince org to hobknob with fans -- so what's your excuse for coming to Orgville since you've clearly stated you ain't feelin' Shorty anymore? Why go to his concerts? Why buy his music? You can always point out Prince's contradictions (and all humans do have some even if they're not blatant), WHY NOT admit to your own? In all your supposed honesty you can't be honest enough to admit to that?
[This message was edited Thu Apr 11 19:16:57 PDT 2002 by Supernova]

PRINCE IS THE BOMB !!!! and he is a priority...thats why i saved my prince money for at least two (2) months and i went to the soundcheck and the show and had a great time. he was a singing playing...joking...nearly flawless performer. it was GREAT !!!

let's put it "This Way".... i read u'r After 12hrs in NYC thingy & "i got Bored" of why u'r Obsession with P is ova.

God Bless in whateva Direction u head now.. that u'r Obsession with P is ova...

Hey DMSR, N'Sync is in Jersey this weekend maybe thats more your taste now. Prince performed for hours and hours, at 24,30,35,or 43 he just gets better and better. Great non-stop playing, singing, and entertaining. I'll get you that new fan website.

Wow, did this get long. I think some of you were pretty hard on DMSR, after all, he did admit to venting. We all get frustrated and we all vent and DMSR is entitled. If we don't agree with him or think he's being too negative, why can't we agree to disagree and leave it at that? He didn't personally attack any members here on the .org so why should he be attacked because he was frustrated. Negativity? Why can't he bitch if he wants to? Granted there were some pretty harsh posts which I felt went way beyond DMSR's, but it's all good.

I read some posts putting forth that Prince basically gave his soul and DMSR should be pretty much happy with what he got. I don't get the image of Prince on bended knee beside his bed feeling like a matyr going "Oh God, I gave 'em my heart and my soul and they're still bitching, what am I gon' do? Woe is me!!!!" For a man, who has created as much controversy, made as many demands as he has and pissed off as many people as he has over the years, he definitely knows the feelings of many people, and as an artist you learn to let the criticisms roll off your back. If he didn't, he wouldn't have survived this business as long as he has. Prince is pretty calculating, even with this thread the man's keeping himself fresh in our minds - is he is or is he ain't our baby. Despite our feelings, Prince is a survivor, he'll be just fine.

Another post alluded to the fact that those who bitched about him preaching were the ones he was preaching about and felt bad about themselves. Sorry, I don't pay money for a concert to have an artist, any artist tell me I'm not living my life right and the way they live theirs. That's over the line. Especially from someone who sowed their wild oats and are getting older and have toned it down and feel that everyone else has to follow suit, especially young ones who have yet to discover their own paths. I don't mind him toning it down, but keep it to yourself.

However, Prince will always be my baby, even if I have to wait here in the rafters for him to wake up, I'll always be standing right beside him.

DMSR u r pathetic.
That goes for anyone who says that " He taught me to cuss..." The problem it seems is that u r addicted 2 Prince like some crazy bitch stuck on her man who she knows is fucking around on her. Prince may be self indulgent, but why can't he be? He has more hits in his catalogue than almost any musician in music history. Even his "Non-Billboard" hits are classics (Do Me Baby, Adore, When u Were Mine, Beautuful Strange, Gett Off, Sexy MF, I Hate U...) and GOD knows the list goes on and on. The man has made music for the masses for 20+ years, maybe he wants to do some for himself.
That said...If u don't like him, let him go. If you want to hear Purple Rain again go listen to one of the 17 Million sold.

OK-
Here's the deal - the concert was GOOD. Not fantastic or amazingly inspirational, but certainly not the utter catastrophy that's been alluded to.

Since I wasn't privy to the soundcheck or the afterparty, my experience is strictly limited to the concert itself.
Here's my recap;

A) I am surprised that there even WAS a soundcheck - since for most of the concert we could not understand a word he was saying. The acoustics were horrible for our part of the arena.

B) although I appreciate Prince wanting to give props to Larry and Maceo, enough is enough. Although it's refreshing sometimes to have a bandmember do a solo (think back to Sheila E in the Lovesexy tour) - I felt that for the first hour (or more) of this concert, Prince was handing off the reigns a bit too frequently. WHY???

C) Whether it's because he's old, tired, bored, or a changed man...it's undeniable that his concert style has changed. No more jumping off of pianos, no more crawling to a sexy babe on the palms of his hands, no more exciting dance moves. Some of you hate it, some of you love it. However as it was pointed out previosly, he is 43 years old, and you can't expect him to do the same moves for 20,30 years running. Things have to change, people must move on. TRC is not that kind of album.

D) HOWEVER - it seemed at the begining of the show that his heart just wasn't into it. Like he didn't want to be there. Why else would you strike a few cords and then head backstage for a break IN THE FIRST 20 MINUTES OF THE SHOW??? Yeah the band played well, but no one was there to see Maceo. Although you don't need to do cartwheels to provide a good show, you still have to give put some emotion behind what you do. Up until the end, his performance wasn't all there. Was he saving himself for the aftershow????

All in all, it WAS a good experience, largely towards the end when he played the earlier material that got the crowd roaring. Whether he admits it or not, Prince is still egotistical enough that he NEEDS the stomping and waving in front of him. That's why (I think) he got better as the show went on, and he connected with us.

Will Prince ever provide another extravaganza such as the Lovesexy tour? Doubtful. He's in another place now - cozier, mellower, full of Maceo solos and $40 T-shirts. But I will keep hope alive. If he does, I will be there...and, hopefully, so will you.

IrishEcho said:

I see making a tongue in cheek comment has zoomed past your limits

selena said:

AMEN!

MKevon said:

Actually no, but with the unwarranted criticism & dopey declarativeness of the rest of that post, I figured I'd point out your own. Stick with the Colt 45, Billy Dee.

I cant say I disagree with what DMSR is saying.

Being a club member should take the stress out of getting a ticket, you think you are guaranted one. To worry about getting your seat even at the morning of the concert takes the fun out and puts stress in to this suposedly enjoyble event. We all paid $100 for the priveledge and $150 for a ticket, so there is gonna be a fight, like it or not for a seat, that I am dreading. Why should you have more stress than people who are not in the club?

The idea of the seating is great in principal, but this is peoples hard earnt money, and if your a member your not a half fan, you will lose more than your money.

As long as I am alive, I will see Prince in concert, but club membership should take the stress out of concerts shouldnt it?

aw, get over yourself

I found out a while ago that it is pointless to complain about someone who is as self assured as Prince. When he thinks something is a good idea, he will stand hard on it even if you think it is stupid, goofy, and maybe even a little offensive. But i don't think he is doing it to purposely hurt the fans; it may be just the way he is, being difficult is in his nature, but fortunately for most of his fans that are still there it's a part of him that they don't mind dealing with because they now it will eventually benefit all.

jimmyrogertodd said:

Yeah and DSMR has every right to express his feelings about the show whether or not you agree with it!

Some of you sit here and say how wonderful Prince's preaching is and how great it is for him to have found God blah blah blah...then you go on to call somebody sad and pathetic for posting their views. Nice, real nice.
[This message was edited Fri Apr 12 6:23:43 PDT 2002 by CarrieCee]

selena said:

Right on, Selena!

GoldiesParade said:

Thanks, that was the point I was making. I also wanted to give advice to members of future shows. I recommend getting there early even though you're guaranteed a seat in the first 15 rows, this still means it could be in the corners with obstructed views. I also did see many members that came "on time" walking around and standing on the sides. It seemed they oversold the general admission seats. I was stressed out about the seats all day because even though I ended up with a pretty god seat, I obviously didn't know where I was going to sit, once I got my seat at 6:30 (not 5pm) I could relax. I really would have rather had them randomly decide where everyone sat so I could get there at 5pm and walk in after having a nice meal. Instead I got there at 3pm and waited until 630pm to get in. Many people got there much earlier. Anyway, just wanted to let everyone know, you do get a seat in the first 15 rows, but not necessarily a good seat.

CarrieCee said:[quote]

jimmyrogertodd said:

Yeah and DSMR has every right to express his feelings about the show whether or not you agree with it!

Some of you sit here and say how wonderful Prince's preaching is and how great it is for him to have found God blah blah blah...then you go on to call somebody sad and pathetic for posting their views. Nice, real nice.
[This message was edited Fri Apr 12 6:23:43 PDT 2002 by CarrieCee]


You won't find me saying the preaching is great- i don't think it is good or bad, it's just unnessary for him to be so vocal and open about it. But the music is still good enough so you don't have to be concerned about it and i really don't see him trying to force anyhting on anyone or being aggresive towards those of us who are not into that stuff. I for one am not into any of that stuff he is saying but it does not really bother me as much now.

selena said:[quote]

CarrieCee said:

I hear ya Selena. I agree with 99% of what you're saying. DSMR just needed to get some things off his chest and he's getting bashed for it. It's not necessary.

Anyhoo, I still love Prince but I don't agree with everything he's doing. It hasn't gotten to the point where I'm totally pissed off about it, I just try to ignore it and hope it's another phase of his.

toodle-loo peeps