It sounded like DMSR took a normal disapontment and turned it into some kind of personal war with Prince like i have seen with some of these other posts. That's just how it came off sounding like to me.

Mick jagger is an ugly old man who can't dance and who hasn't made good music since the 70's. He's an embarassment.

The only people who get pissed at Prince's preaching are the people who he is talking about. They probably feel bad about themselves. The only people who get mad at people for preaching against smokers are people who smoke. Get it? If you don't like Prince then leave. it makes no sense for you to be here anymore.

Mick jagger is an ugly old man who can't dance and who hasn't made good music since the 70's. He's an embarassment.

The only people who get pissed at Prince's preaching are the people who he is talking about. They probably feel bad about themselves. The only people who get mad at people for preaching against smokers are people who smoke. Get it? If you don't like Prince then leave. it makes no sense for you to be here anymore.

princeboomer said:

Obvious that you plan to go to every Prince concert in every state? Buy every Prince item as if it were the only copy available? Yeah, you'd be doing that, wouldn't you? What's obvious is that you made an overly dramatic fanboy style statement and I was hoping to reel you back to some small measure of practicality.
[This message was edited Thu Apr 11 11:49:14 PDT 2002 by IrishEcho]

1. I certianly wouldn't call Xenophobia (the song) amazing, nor would I call it inventive songwriting. It's a jazzy instrumental that's repeats same line over and over and occasionally breaks for solos. It's not something we haven't heard before from Prince and many others

How many of you guys have.....well, wait..maybe I'll make a thread of it instead...lol...well, lemme ask anyway: How many of you guys became huge Prince fans in large part because of his "vision" on society, sex, spirituality and God??...

A serious question, here...Cornerman made me think of it...


How many of you guys have.....well, wait..maybe I'll make a thread of it instead...lol...well, lemme ask anyway: How many of you guys became huge Prince fans in large part because of his "vision" on society, sex, spirituality and God??...


Ok, now off to make a thread about it..lol

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Are you KIDDING me??...You must not like funk too much, then...cuz if you did, there's NO way you'd hear that booming bass line and think ANYthing but "Damn, that's hot!!"...as for the same line over and over, I'm not sure which version you heard, but the one I heard goes on for close to 15 minutes, and maybe 6 of those 15 minutes is the "over and over" part you refer to...the rest is tight drum soloing, some fast, furious guitar solos(you hear people applauding his various solos, in fact), and some "weirder" shit thrown in there in spots...

A lot of you won't agree with this report, but it's the way I feel. I've been a Prince fan for along time, spending loads of money for flashes of brilliance. I've finally kicked the habit after seeing the NYC soundcheck, the show and the aftershow. He's lost it. I'll try to break this down into what I liked first and what finally caused me to realize he ain't what he used to be and why I feel he's milking his true fans dry of cash.

Here's what I liked-

Soundcheck- had a casual vibe, Power Fantastic and Extraordinary were great.

The show- Great guitar playing, Loved the piano medley, 1+1, Love Rollercoaster and Anna Stesia

Aftershow- Loved Joy in Repetition and 777.

What really pissed me off (in no particular order)

Spent $100 for the club and $150 for the "ticket" and still had to stress about getting in line early, waited for over 3 hours just to get in and scrambling for a seat. There was no chance of getting food because you would lose your place. By the time I got in, the middle seats of the first 20 rows were taken so I had to sit on the side. Some members had to sit way in the corner, sure they were in the 3rd row, but behind the speaker with obstructed views.

Prince's attitude at soundcheck was OK, but he had his typical wiseass behavior when he told people "they were late" as they came in. These are his fans that paid $100 to be in his club and just waited outside in the rain for at least 3 hours to get in and he says "they're late?" Then he goes and sits in the seats in the back and sings from there. He says he doesn't cuss anymore and asks us if we do. He said anyone who does cuss has turets. First of all what if I did have turets or someone I knew did. It ain't funny to pick on the handicapped. Second of all, Prince is the one who TAUGHT ME how to cuss and to be free and also LOVE GOD but it was OK TO HAVE SEX. Now he's saying I can't do that anymore? Fuck him.


The show was terribly paced. He would get a groove going with 1+1 and Love Rollercoaster and then lose it. When he did play any old songs they were the most overplayed boring songs of his career- Rasberry beret and Take Me With U? Why!? He attempted to play jazz and ended up really making me appreciate Santana and Herbie Hancock. As usual he featured Maceo way too much and brought out Larry Graham for another way too long Sly song for the oldies crowd. I won't even get into the Lincoln thing or the videos of planes. That's been discussed. All I know is I met some wonderful funny people in line who happened to be black, and Prince had to remind us that according to him we are still "seperate." His "joke" about "If your'e a giver then give up your seat" to the girl in the front row who had obviously been outside in line since 9am wasn't funny. She should receive nothing but respect from Prince not some sarcastic joke. Prince did his speech during Purple Rain how no New Yorkers had read the Scripture before 9/11 and now they do, he was sort of saying "I told ya so." Yea blame the victims. Real nice.

Here's the clincher that really did it for me that I thought was just WRONG- He started playing Anna Stesia and said it was a song we needed to hear during the turbulent times. I totally agreed and I love the song. About half way through Prince tells all the club members to raise their hands. He says to "put our hands out" and says that from no on all the good seats will be given to club members only and told everyone if they wanted good seats they had to join the club. This really pissed me off. During such an emotional and spriritual song Prince is trying to make money and using us. I felt like he was Pat Robertson on the 700 club. "Dig deep into your pockets and give me your money!" The NPG club web site was also on the screen. Very tacky.

After waiting in the rain in line for another 2 1/2 hours the club members were let in. What we heard was yet another playing of Alphabet Street, Joy In Repetition, Extraordinary- all which were played at soundcheck hours before. Then he went into a half hour jam with Pass the Peas (again!) and a lame Doug E fresh lame rap and more jamming with Larry and Geroge Clinton who was as high as a kite and couldn't get the braids out of his face. He did end strong with Musiq doing SLy's "If You Want Me to Stay" and Alicia I guess was OK, although I'm sick of the song I've heard it since it came out around 1983 and he also played this at the show that night and many tours prior.

After this experience my "Prince habit" is kicked. He doesn't dance anymore,whcih I didn't think I would miss, but I really do, he has lost most of his sex appeal much like Al Green did when he became a preacher. I thought I would like this, but I guess that a lot of what I liked about Prince was Dance, Music, Sex and Romance. All we got was lots of guitar solos and too much horn playing. He's forgotten about his many other performing talents. He also insists on preaching his way or the highway and jamming with the oldies of Maceo and Larry. The best songs of the set were from the 80's and early 90's. Think about what the crowd went nuts for- When U Were Mine, How Come U Don't Call Me, Joy In Repetition, Strange Relationship, Anna Stesia, Rasberry Beret, and the entire piano medley were all old songs, nothing from the early 90's on. He's over in my opinion and I won't be spending any more money on the man until he gets his shit together, but I think it's too late.

Wow I'm glad that's off my chest. If someone told me I could get to go see Prince soundcheck and perform from the 10th row and go to an aftershow and be in the second row I could die happy. The reality was that I was actually a little bored. It took me $300 for tickets and $100 for membership and a full 12 hours of hanging with Prince to finally realize that Prince's glory days are over, he's ripping his true fans off and he just ain't that great anymore. Sorry that's just my opinion, like to hear if any of you agree even a little. I'll still be posting on the org as a fan, but my habit is kicked and I am not spending anymore cash on this ungrateful, egotistical little twerp.

A lot of you won't agree with this report, but it's the way I feel. I've been a Prince fan for along time, spending loads of money for flashes of brilliance. I've finally kicked the habit after seeing the NYC soundcheck, the show and the aftershow. He's lost it. I'll try to break this down into what I liked first and what finally caused me to realize he ain't what he used to be and why I feel he's milking his true fans dry of cash.

Here's what I liked-

Soundcheck- had a casual vibe, Power Fantastic and Extraordinary were great.

The show- Great guitar playing, Loved the piano medley, 1+1, Love Rollercoaster and Anna Stesia

Aftershow- Loved Joy in Repetition and 777.

What really pissed me off (in no particular order)

Spent $100 for the club and $150 for the "ticket" and still had to stress about getting in line early, waited for over 3 hours just to get in and scrambling for a seat. There was no chance of getting food because you would lose your place. By the time I got in, the middle seats of the first 20 rows were taken so I had to sit on the side. Some members had to sit way in the corner, sure they were in the 3rd row, but behind the speaker with obstructed views.

Prince's attitude at soundcheck was OK, but he had his typical wiseass behavior when he told people "they were late" as they came in. These are his fans that paid $100 to be in his club and just waited outside in the rain for at least 3 hours to get in and he says "they're late?" Then he goes and sits in the seats in the back and sings from there. He says he doesn't cuss anymore and asks us if we do. He said anyone who does cuss has turets. First of all what if I did have turets or someone I knew did. It ain't funny to pick on the handicapped. Second of all, Prince is the one who TAUGHT ME how to cuss and to be free and also LOVE GOD but it was OK TO HAVE SEX. Now he's saying I can't do that anymore? Fuck him.


The show was terribly paced. He would get a groove going with 1+1 and Love Rollercoaster and then lose it. When he did play any old songs they were the most overplayed boring songs of his career- Rasberry beret and Take Me With U? Why!? He attempted to play jazz and ended up really making me appreciate Santana and Herbie Hancock. As usual he featured Maceo way too much and brought out Larry Graham for another way too long Sly song for the oldies crowd. I won't even get into the Lincoln thing or the videos of planes. That's been discussed. All I know is I met some wonderful funny people in line who happened to be black, and Prince had to remind us that according to him we are still "seperate." His "joke" about "If your'e a giver then give up your seat" to the girl in the front row who had obviously been outside in line since 9am wasn't funny. She should receive nothing but respect from Prince not some sarcastic joke. Prince did his speech during Purple Rain how no New Yorkers had read the Scripture before 9/11 and now they do, he was sort of saying "I told ya so." Yea blame the victims. Real nice.

Here's the clincher that really did it for me that I thought was just WRONG- He started playing Anna Stesia and said it was a song we needed to hear during the turbulent times. I totally agreed and I love the song. About half way through Prince tells all the club members to raise their hands. He says to "put our hands out" and says that from no on all the good seats will be given to club members only and told everyone if they wanted good seats they had to join the club. This really pissed me off. During such an emotional and spriritual song Prince is trying to make money and using us. I felt like he was Pat Robertson on the 700 club. "Dig deep into your pockets and give me your money!" The NPG club web site was also on the screen. Very tacky.

After waiting in the rain in line for another 2 1/2 hours the club members were let in. What we heard was yet another playing of Alphabet Street, Joy In Repetition, Extraordinary- all which were played at soundcheck hours before. Then he went into a half hour jam with Pass the Peas (again!) and a lame Doug E fresh lame rap and more jamming with Larry and Geroge Clinton who was as high as a kite and couldn't get the braids out of his face. He did end strong with Musiq doing SLy's "If You Want Me to Stay" and Alicia I guess was OK, although I'm sick of the song I've heard it since it came out around 1983 and he also played this at the show that night and many tours prior.

After this experience my "Prince habit" is kicked. He doesn't dance anymore,whcih I didn't think I would miss, but I really do, he has lost most of his sex appeal much like Al Green did when he became a preacher. I thought I would like this, but I guess that a lot of what I liked about Prince was Dance, Music, Sex and Romance. All we got was lots of guitar solos and too much horn playing. He's forgotten about his many other performing talents. He also insists on preaching his way or the highway and jamming with the oldies of Maceo and Larry. The best songs of the set were from the 80's and early 90's. Think about what the crowd went nuts for- When U Were Mine, How Come U Don't Call Me, Joy In Repetition, Strange Relationship, Anna Stesia, Rasberry Beret, and the entire piano medley were all old songs, nothing from the early 90's on. He's over in my opinion and I won't be spending any more money on the man until he gets his shit together, but I think it's too late.

Wow I'm glad that's off my chest. If someone told me I could get to go see Prince soundcheck and perform from the 10th row and go to an aftershow and be in the second row I could die happy. The reality was that I was actually a little bored. It took me $300 for tickets and $100 for membership and a full 12 hours of hanging with Prince to finally realize that Prince's glory days are over, he's ripping his true fans off and he just ain't that great anymore. Sorry that's just my opinion, like to hear if any of you agree even a little. I'll still be posting on the org as a fan, but my habit is kicked and I am not spending anymore cash on this ungrateful, egotistical little twerp.

Umm....I KNOW you're not trying to say that I dislike a whole genre of music just because our tastes differ on ONE SONG! That's a tad dramatic. You think it's amazing. And hey, I don't, for reasons previously explained. I didn't say it wasn't funky or that I didn't like it. I do like it. And yes, we've both heard the same close-to-15 minute version. I like the main theme but I think it get's monotonous. It's more of a show off piece for the band than some AMAZINGLY WRITTEN song, INO. So, put that in your pipe and smoke it!

SchlomoThaHomo said:

First of all, I don't smoke...

Secondly, the reason I made the comment about you not liking funk is because the very things you complained about in the song are almost the essence of funk...people who love funk RARELY complain about something like "repetitiveness"...it's the groove that sucks you in and keeps you there...

To quote the All Music Guide's definition of funk: "It was also the least structured, often stretching out into extended jams, and the most Africanized, built on dynamic, highly syncopated polyrhythms. As such, it originally appealed only to hardcore R&B audiences. The groove was the most important musical element of funk — all the instruments of the ensemble played off of one another to create it, and worked it over and over...

Unlike nearly every form of R&B that had come before it, funk didn't confine itself to the 45-rpm single format and the classic verse/chorus song structure. Funk bands were just as likely to repeat a catchy chant or hook out of the blue, and to give different song sections equal weight, so as not to disrupt the groove by building to a chorus-type climax. In essence, funk allowed for more freedom and improvisation"

That right there is what "Xenophobia" does...and it's what you said you didn't like about it...lol...so yeah, I came back with the "you must not like funk then" comment...it's a bit like saying "I like hard rock, but I don't like that one song...too much guitar in it..."...

I never listened to Prince untill two years ago... So all of his music is more or less new to me.... I felt like he was bashing anyone who was into his 80's music....

OMG! Um...thanks for the remedial Funk course but I think I've listened to enough of it to determine what it is! LOL! Because the groove (of Xenophobia) DOESN'T pull me in (enough), I find the jam monotonous. It's not something that I care to hear for 15 minutes. It has NOTHING to do with me not knowing the "essence of funk." HAH! There are plenty of funk jams that are monotonous that I can listen to over and over because I really feel the groove. "Days Of Wild" and "Six", for example. "Xenophobia" is not one of those songs for me, at this point.

And there are also funk jams that are NOT monotonous, as well. "Housequake", "LeGrind" and even, "The Everlasting Now", for example. There are plenty of things (changes, solos, breakdowns, etc...) to keep them interesting, aside from the already-funky grooves. Just because the dictionary wants to make an attempt to define funk doesn't mean everyone has a taste for the same kind or same SONG, for that matter. It seems ridiculous to even have to explain that to you. Do you REALLY think your opinions are so on point that to disagree with you automatically means I don't know what I'm talking about? HAH! You must be in a mood or something, today.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Once again...you wanted to know why I said "I guess you don't like funk then"...I 'splained it to ya...how the very elements you complained about are almost the essence of funk...take that or leave it...but don't wonder aloud why I said something, then act surprised when I answer...lol

Second, whatever credibility you may have been shooting for gets flushed right down the crapper when you say "There are plenty of things (changes, solos, breakdowns, etc...) to keep them interesting, aside from the already-funky grooves", which indirectly says you feel "Xenophobia" does NOT have any "changes", "solos", "breakdowns", and "etc"..lol...it would be next to impossible to listen to that song, and--love it or hate it--say that NONE of that occurs in the song...if you're not saying that, then I'm lost as to why you brought up "changes, solos, etc" as an example of how funk can keep from being "monotonous" in your eyes...try instead telling me what Xeno lacks, cuz what it most definitely does NOT lack is tempo changes, breakdowns, furious solos, or a deep, funky groove...I don't give a shit if you like it or not..I just really question the reasons you give for why it's not very impressive in your eyes...cuz the shit don't make sense.