BanishedBrian.... who THE FUCK are you and what THE FUCK are you talking about???!!

Sorry, I'm with Wellbeyond on this one. Don't post BS here and expect people not to comment on it; especially people who were there and witnessed the incident. If no one had spoken up about what really happened it would have gone down as fact.

just the fact that she mislead everyone with the title of her thread leads me to say...NO apologies...if you're going to post bullshit onto a public forum, well, then expect the consequences...good and bad...


Brian, at least stick to your guns...you were there and witnessed the whole incident... and others concurred...if she was in the wrong then she was in the wrong...don't make apologies...

or did she orgnote you into submission...

Nep2nes said:

It disgusts ME that you would use a thread intended to serve as apology to some one who has real problems to furthur your self-importance and attempted martyrdom.
I called you a fat whiney sasquatch mostly because you insulted several people and entire GROUPS of people on several threads. People should not be expected to care about your feelings when you show no consideration for theirs.
The opening paragraph of your post here just shows what a spoiled baby you are. The truth is you're pissed because Divinity got an apology and you did not!
Now go bitch on one of your threads about the trials and tribulations of plus size spoiled babies and stop trying to get the attention away from Divinity.
No one apologized to you because you never deserved an apology, you bring all your shit on your self!

I don't think an apology is justified. But I do wish Divinity a more gracious musical carreer.

I'm pretty sure she misused the word 'disability' to get our attention, because she hinted to it in her title, without wanting to say more about it (as she tells us in a later post).

Combining that with all the reports from others who visited the concert, which differ enormously from hers and where she appears not to have been very interested in how Prince and the other people were feeling, I think she was really attacking Prince because he didn't give her the attention she wanted.

This kind of playing with reality is really dangerous. It's how the worst kinds of gossip break down good reputations. It's the way bad politicians become powerful.

Let's all be glad she played the game such a stupid way and hope we opened her eyes.

And let's hope she'll become famous in a less cheap way.

Notoriousbill and Harley...

U 2 are the rudest people, not to mention mean.

We almost made it through a thread positively...

Trying to take something bad and make it better.

Ur no better than the crap u talk.

By the way...how r people to grow if we don't give them what they need to grow, such as nurturing, support, honesty...

I feel the heavens crying due to earth's mistakes,
The rain it pours on me from up above,
I fall upon my knees & cry a tearful prayer,
& fly away in peace & full of love.

Wandering around I find a perfect world,
No one's there as strange as it may seem,
I read the sign, renew myself & then return,
For I must find my Father's stolen key.

Something says it wasn't meant to be this way,
Wisdom tells me choices caused the fall,
Given strict directions we choose vanity,
For riches we ignore our true soul call.

If only we could understand religion's place,
We wouldn't let such evil raise its' head,
Born in sin we must recapture holiness,
& trust in Him that death does not mean dead.

Our body He gave to us for to house our spirit,
Life He breathed into our precious shell,
Blesses us with love, released us to experience,
His gift we turned into a living hell.

Question not, we must now try to right our wrongs,
Rearrange our thinking and re-learn,
Excercise the good & recognize & stop the bad,
Heaven was intended to be earned.

written by:
Divinity

Ok look...I usually try to stay out of these kinds of threads..i try to stick to the strictly music stuff...but i was there at the soundcheck and I want to throw my humble opinion out.

First, although I am a BIG fan of Prince's music, I definitely do NOT fall under the 'blind follower he & NPG can do no wrong' crowd. When I think he screws up, musically or otherwise, I don't hesitate to give my opinin as such. At the same time, I'm definitely not a 'basher for the sake of bashing' types either...one of those folks who will never be satisfied with ANYTHING P does and looks for reasons to criticize him.

I like to think I'm pretty much down the middle as far as my opinion goes...so here's a VERY IMPORTANT DETAIL that i have ye to see posted (although I must say I havent read all of the posts about 'The Incedent' so I may hav missed it. Anyway...here's what I recall happening at the soundcheck...(quotes are not exact, but as close as I can remember)

Prince picks up cd & says something like "What's this?"

Girl says something about it being her cd, explains she's a musician and stuff.

***Prince says something like "I can't take this. I'm not suppsed to take cds from folks. We can get in all sorts of trouble. Here you can come get it"

At this point the girl goes into the Crazy You thing and how she talked to Princes lawyer and stuff. I neve saw her go up to get the cd.

I think Prince asked her again to come get it but she didn't, so I believe he gave it to his assistant to give back to her. I couldn't see her so maybe she was somehow unable to get up herself, i don't know.

Anyway if i remember correctly, the conversations moved on to other things somewhat after that...but then the girl keeps trying to talk about her cd and her intentions and inspirations behind it. This happened a few times and some of the folks in the crowd started getting irritated with her comments ad they started telling her to leave it alone and enough is enough already...stuff likethat.

At ths point Prince said "Now, now. Ya'll be nice to her"

thgs moved o after that. nd for the record the Catsuit comment he made I took to be a refference to Andrew Loyd Webber, not a crack on any outfit she had on (again, i couldn't see her, just hear her)

So, that's what I remember. BUT...I do want to say something...and I don't mean this a a hollier than thou statement at all...but...

The way many folks completely attacked this girl and completely ASSUMED she was making this up amazes me. True her recollection of events didn't match exactly what actually happened IMO, but at the time of her original post many didn't know that...and yet attacked anyway. I'm relatively new to this site but I've noticed that tendancy on occasion. Again, I'm not trying to be all high & mighty...and I'm definitely not trying to defend her interpretation of events...

I'm just saying, I know it's easy to lashout at folks on the web...there are no real consequenses that you can easily see...but there CAN be consequenses. And there ARE people on the other end of those user names.

Now don't get me wrong if someones really being an ass...without a doubt i say call them an asshole...I got n problem with that...be straight up...

uh oh...why do i get the feeling that someoes about to be 'straight up' with ME??

i wasn't there, don't know nothing about this.....but once i tried to give my poetry to chris isaak after one of his concerts, and he turned me down saying i could go after him later on through his attorney, etc...etc....i understand that....but it still hurts your feelings because think about it...you admire someone, and you try to give them your work and they turn you down...it hurts your feelings.....but you get over it...it's not such a huge deal...i'm still a chris isaak fan.

anyways....peace everyone!

justhemusic said:

I think you need to read the entire thread about it. Everything you mentioned was stated multiple times by people who were there, including me.

We didn't attack her for "making" something up, we attacked her for starting a thread with a false and misleading title, that was based on her partial misunderstanding of what happened. At the same time, it's time to let bygones be bygones and just end this b.s.

Welcum2theDawn--I'm not backing down from one moment of my description, as my factual account was 100% true. My apology is for the petty personal attacks against Divinity that were simply not necessary. There's no reason to beat up on somebody when they are already obviously feeling sad, even if we disagree with some of their actions.

Can we just move on...
[This message was edited Tue Apr 2 18:32:16 PST 2002 by BanishedBrian]

justhemusic said:

Actually...no...lol...the very first post after her "story" simply was someone thinking it was an April's Fools joke...and the second post on that thread was from BanishedBrian, who WAS there...he went on to say that she misrepresented what happened...someone else did as well who was there in about the 4th or 5th post....so yes, we all knew enough "facts" about the soundcheck to warrant our responses...don't worry..lol

Divinity, there you go. Lots of love from me to you, from one prince fan to another. Love4oneanother always. Keep going strong:)

Aww hell somebody pass me a tissue ... On the serious tip, DIV I too apologize if I said anything hurtful. I still think your thread title is STANK and misleading and will only lead to rumormongering... (years from now, all that will be remembered by the superficial is: "yo remember when that a$$hole prince dissed that handicapped girl and made her cry?"... so we felt the need to provide alternative soundbites.)

Sorry again. And sorry to hear you were so hurt. Sometimes it's best that we step back and take a deep breath before writing out of hurt and pain, less we cause someone else hurt and pain. That goes for Prince, you, and all of us.

Peace and DO keep bustin .

kimrachell said:

Okay, I am sure some of you will know who I am from back in the day.

Here is my question...If Prince "can't" accept media from fan's then why did he accept that videotape that Mayte's mom gave Kirky back in 1990?

As for the rest of the original post...Divinity, I don't really know you, but if you are proud of the fact that your "Disability" is not obvious, you should NOT use it to gain pity. You remind me of those people who have handicap license plates or hang tags and park in the handicap parking, but can walk just fine...but feel it's your right to park there because you have the tags/plate. You use your disability when it's convenient for you, and that is really messed up.


I think one of my first posts here back in 1995 was that Prince was a jerk. He can be from time to time, that's why I have learned to not expect anything from him, and to enjoy the music.

If you want to persue your music, don't ask Prince to help you, he's having enough trouble helping himself. I am persuing a singing career myself, but I would NEVER ask Prince to help me, not at this stage. Now when I am established, then I will want to work with him, but NOT until then (And even that is iffy, since he has been known to break careers of some well established performers in the past).

Peace & Love

Connie

ConnieC said:

My guess would be that it's not simply that he doesn't accept "media", but that he doesn't except music...everything else you wrote I completely agree with...

By the way, the Disabilities Act(or whatever it's called) classifies TONS of things as a disability...I mean, things you'd never imagine being classified as such...so just because someone can classify themselves legally as "disabled" doesn't necessarily mean much...hangnails might qualify as a disability...lol

wellbeyond said:

Okay that makes more sense...BUT, what if someone gives him a videotape of them performing original songs? I mean couldn't he get in trouble for that? Just wondering.

Connie

wellbeyond said:

Mayte's mom probably ASKED Prince if she could give him the tape... as I ASKED Prince if I could.... had he said NO that would have been the end of that....

salaciousV said:

It has been said that Mayte's mom never talked to Prince but to Kirky J. Who knows how true that is, since it is Prince, and the stories that come out of his camp are sometimes distorted.

Connie

Mariah Carey was discovered and got a record deal after she gave a tape of herself singing to Tommy Mottola at some kind of industry party. Mariah was unknown but got into the party because she was friends with singer Brenda K. Starr.

eye thought this was an apology thread


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the bigstick, fudgcicle, or doublestick

ConnieC said:

I was wondering that, too...lol...a sneaky way to get around things...lol

Batdance said:

Yeah, but Tommy Mottola isn't a singer/musician...

Batdance said:

Yes, BUT Tommy Mottola was a record company exec. Prince claims to be, but you know he really isn't. It makes more sense for Tommy Mottola to accept demos from unheard of talent, since his job is to sign new talent. Prince has never said he was looking for new talent.

But this opens up another question. As I said I am a singer. I have talked to a few people who were in the industry and their first piece of advice is that when you do a demo, to do cover songs. IF someone is interested in you, then you talk about the idea of doing originals, but not until you get your foot in the door. That way there is no risk of them stealing your music. Which has been known to happen in the industry.

I am sure there are others who work in the music industry, what is your opinion on this?

Connie

Divinity6 said:

sorry these butholes have a.d.d. and can't stick to one subject

Why do I get the feeling that mrfreeze8761 has the hots for Divinity??...

ConnieC said:

I'm not in the industry, but I think it protects both parties to do cover songs. It protects the person trying to get discovered from having their original music stolen, and it protects the established artist/executive from being accused of stealing someone's music.

The easiest way to handle the whole thing is to just submit cover songs so the quality of your singing can be heard.

Batdance said:

As I said that is what I have been told...it all makes sense if you think about it. I had this producer that was set on the idea that the demo should be originals...I thought that was crazy...but I realized later that he had his own agenda.

Connie

You know, I am usually just an observer on this site but I can't sit back and not share my experience here. Maybe I should hold back, but here goes. I only had the opportunity to attend the Sunday sound check and was disappointed that more time was spent listening to Divinity complain about Prince not accepting her CDR instead of playing music. I don't feel like he was rude, he simply asked her to take her music back. Funny, he challenged Divinity about her permission to use, alter, rerecord his music...her response, blah, blah, blah with the lawyer and the other contacts, etc.... He could have been playing!

What about the fact that he actually could have been doing her a favor? If he kept the CDR it would have been really easy for him to pass it to his attorney to followup and for him to sue for her using his music without permission.

Well guess what, I was the lucky person who sat next to Divinity for the rest of the concert. I feel like the universe was testing my patience. First the show started and she arrived at her seat late. Then she wants me to tell her how the seats are numbered (Hello, I'm trying to enjoy the concert). Then she dances next to me with no regard for her hair brushing those people around her. Then I sit down with a drink and the streamers from her costume land in my glass of champagne (Hello, I'm trying to enjoy my drink without your costume in it). Next everyone sits for a ballad and she stands. An usher asks her to sit and she wants to know if he can get her back stage (Excuse me, you're blocking my view). She ends up in the center aisle to observe the concert and argues with another usher about returning to her seat. I feel like Divinity should have paid for my concert seat that night as she really imposed on my experience.

This is how I see it...no name calling, no negative intent, no apologies. Just my truth. Sometimes folks can be oblivious to the consideration that should be shown to others around them. "Its 'her' world for a little while!"

R~

So Divinity was asking an usher to get her backstage even after she claimed Prince dissed her and made her cry at the soundcheck?

I think this woman is just a celebrity chaser. It's not even Prince in particular that she wants to latch onto. She's trying to latch onto ANY famous person. Joe Pesci, DeNiro, Leno, Prince?