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PrintableI would not blindly defend Prince if I really felt he did something wrong. However, it is beyond clear who should be trusted here.
The post refers to a disabled girl, yet there is NO disabled girl in the story. That's the first tip off to me that what I am reading is over-heightened, exaggerated drama. Someone didn't get what they wanted or expected -- so they lash out and blame the other person instead of looking at how their behavior could have brought about a different reaction. I believe those who were at the concert and explained an opposing viewpoint to this story. Their interpretation of what Prince said totally jives with the kind, friendly man I saw in Indianapolis. I'd like to know why some of you, who constantly want to see the worst in Prince, are fans. Wouldn't it be more positive to pay attention to an artist who doesn't cause you constant disappointment and angst? What a waste of time and energy! Paul | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: Essence said: "So, she's done her homework, has the skills -
not only scary, it's an eyesore. it makes the npgmc website a lot betta 2 look at. it would truly be a travesty for her not to be known. Where would music be without Prince or Stevie Wonder? Althought that question can never truly be answered, wouldn't you like to know what music could be with Divinity?" Hahaha, that is one scary trip of a website.   Anyone whose written a song called "Purple Paisley Pumps" has issues. No Candy 4 Me | |
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 no ammunition for the haters  [This message was edited Sat Apr 13 21:51:53 PDT 2002 by Divinity6] | |
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Regardless, Divinity...
you still have some major issues...i'd advise you to seek professional help... Peace Out, Trout!! | |
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whatever's clever.  | |
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Divinity6 said: The only other things I wanted to say is that my costume was made from clothes I had at home & modified on my sewing maching.
Can you describe your outfit... I want to make sure I'm remembering you. Wasn't it a black outfit with leather stockings and some garters, kind of like on your webpage? Divinity6 said: Also, I wouldn't have given Prince a CD if I didn't assume he knew who I was from my past dealings with Paisley Park. Considering you've never had a conversation with Prince before, why would you expect he would know who you are? I'm sure "Sunny" put a billion demos on his desk. Divinity6 said: It was a gift and I totally didn't expect that reaction. I give away all my CD's so it's absurd for any of you to think I was trying to capitalize on an opportunity - I was simply there to have a great time. One thing typing doesn't convey is one's tone of voice; and come on people, Prince was definitely pissed. Maybe you didn't feel the humiliation because he wasn't being condescending to you, but in all honesty he definitely was playing the "I'm the star" role. What happened to his humility?
He wasn't pissed, although I'd say he was somewhat annoyed. Divinity6 said: I just don't see how any of you can say I was a problem. We weren't given a list of rules when we entered the venue, & from your perspective I should've known not to put a CD on-stage. Do you still feel the same way knowing Paisley Park was my direct driving force from '97-'98? Any dialogue was started by Prince. He was doing his usual routine of trying to shut me up with his one-liners, but I hung in there tit for tat. The wit was matched. Maybe you guys didn't know what was really going on, but the above is why there was more to it than the obvious for me. First off, you should have known better than to take advantage of a soundcheck. Second, you should have shut up once he said he didn't want it. You didn't need to sit there and monopolize the soundcheck. I'd like to personally thank you for wasting 5 minutes that he could have been teaching Najee how to f'ing play "Extraordinary" so we might have heard it. Instead, we had to listen to you, and for that, you owe us an apology, and Prince owes you nothing. No Candy 4 Me | |
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Divinity6 said: ...& the second he saw my name on that CD he thought of Sunny & decided to be an ass to me because he was unsure of my intentions and chose to think the worst.
Perhaps it had nothing to do with that and he simply wanted you to come and take the cd back, and when you didn't he got irritated. It was a soundcheck, afterall...not an audition, or a place for attempting to talk him into taking a gift that he clearly couldn't or didn't want to take. From your original post and the posts of others here, he had a very simple request "come get it". Best of luck with your career. [This message was edited Mon Apr 1 15:44:56 PST 2002 by Maxar] | |
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One other thing Divinity6... I really don't see where it was Prince that brought you to tears...but yourself. Had you gotten up and taken your cd back, as he requested, there would have been no further discussion on the subject, that would have, in turn, brought you to tears.
I can understand why security was "hovering" over you...based on your description alone of what took place. Even though you know exactly what your intentions were, Prince and Co. did not. After all, he wasn't there to argue back and forth, he was there for a soundcheck. I'm not trying to say you were wrong, because I truly feel that, in your mind, he did do you wrong...I'm only trying to maybe let you see things from another point of view. Peace. | |
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Divinity: I think part of the problem is that you were expecting Prince to treat you like an old friend because of your previous dealings with this "Sunny" person at Paisley.
Also, you annoyed him by trying to "match wits" and go toe to toe with a man whom you know is very controlling. When he told you in no uncertain terms to come and get your CD, he expected you to obey him. When you did not, he dealt with you by using zingers and one liners, which in turn would have led the other fams at the soundcheck to laugh at you. The bottom line is that when Prince told you to come and get your CD, you left yourself open to getting a taste of him clowning you when you declined to do as he told you to do. | |
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Regardless of your past relations with Prince [Paisley Park], you should still follow protocal. When he refused it (ur cd) and asked for you to retreve it, you should have...period.
I imagine had you done so, the results to follow would have been different. Secondly, I think posting this out here is unwise. As you can tell by the support you are getting. I'm sure you meant well, however, you should have thought it through... | |
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funkydoo said: I left a ball of used toilet paper on the other side of the stage and for some reason he didn't want that either...
ROFLMOA!!!!! That's hilarious!!!! 
Divinity, you STILL have not explained to us what your handicap is, even in your second post. When I read the caption to your story, I thought Prince had acknowledged you during the soundcheck or concert in some special way, and I was like, "Ooh, I gotta read this. What did Prince do?" Then when I started reading your story, I felt the same way that some other people did, that you used the excuse of being "handicapped" to get attention and sympathy from people. That was very poor taste, and until you explain to us just what your "handicap" is, I'm not buying your story.  RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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um, i was there 2....he was NOT pissed, never yelled, nor "damanded" u come and get the cd...he was just firm in getting his point accross 2 u that he couldn't accept it, 4 WHATEVER reason...u just kept saying " but but but but"...so he kept saying "u better come get this, i can't take it"...he gave it 2 security, cause u sure weren't going up 2 the stage 2 get it...which, by the way was a prefect opportunity 4 u 2 interact w/ him...who knows what could've happened, yanno?? and speaking 2 prince's "people" is one thing, but by the look on his face, he obviously knew nothing about it...he was actually being gracious, if u ask me...
as far as the cat suit stuff-u got that twisted...alicia keys "stealing" his song-u got THAT twisted as well... i really don't mean 2 b harsh but sweetheart, u have 2 c things 4 what they r...instead of what u THINK they r... by the way...i was like 10th in line 2 get in the sound check, and i'm a healthy chick...now-if u're disabled, how in the hell did u beat me down 2 the stage, lay that cd down, and make it back 2 a seat and i didn't even c ya? lol  | |
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I think Divinity should quit trying to be a songwriter, and maybe become a fictional storywriter. She sure knew how to grab my attention with that "disabled girl" claim.
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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The "disabled" part is what's killing me. This an OBVIOUS attempt to garner some sympathy for yourself and create some kind of backlash against Prince's popularity with his fans. | |
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divo02 said: Hopefully Prince realizes that one crazy soundcheck out of all the ones he's had so far ain't worth cancelling the rest.
Actually the soundcheck was real good, for the most part Prince laughed off the cd incident. I thought the cd ordeal was funny. So what if he did not want your cd - you put it there - go get it! A lotta these fans prolly thought you were an ass, at least you tried and I give you props for that. I can see why Prince does not want to hear fan cds etc. Still chill out people. Just cause I'm a member in the club and can get into soundchecks and Prince may answer a question, does not make me some sorta friend to him, not like we are having tea at his place. I think Prince is more afraid of taking the cd and then having more fans give cds at the next soundcheck etc.. you know sometimes you really have to draw a line and say don't f with me like that, life is like that! Just cause Prince does not want fans to give him a cdr or he does not sign autographs does not make him the devil! It's still a two way street. | |
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MrHappy404 said: Since everybody seems to be in here for the time being, I just wanted to ask, how many people were actually at the soundcheck, meaning how intimate of a setting was it? Is it a few rows of peeps or a lot of rows? and were they all just hollering at the top of their lungs to try to get Prince's attention. Im goin to the Atlanta show on Thursday and wanna know what to expect as far as turnouts.
There might have been about 80 people, give or take. So that is a couple of rows of folks from one end of the stage to the other. The Warner is fairly small. And with the exception of this crazy woman no one was really hollering out and being an ass. As a matter of fact Prince made a joke that we were really quiet and that was probably because we were secretly taping and didn't want to ruin the recordings ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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BanishedBrian said: I'd like to personally thank you for wasting 5 minutes that he could have been teaching Najee how to f'ing play "Extraordinary" so we might have heard it. Instead, we had to listen to you, and for that, you owe us an apology, and Prince owes you nothing. Thank you very much.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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pkidwell said: I was there and the fact that you even put a cd on stage shows that you are clearly disabled....mentally! Sorry but what were you thinking? By the way, that was the best show I've ever seen in my life. I also got called on stage to dance...perhaps that was one of the reasons....Santana...another reason....the list goes on....catch this tour if you get the chance!! Seriously!
Divinity6 said: Prince brings a disabled fan to tears.....
Monday, April 01, 2002 Hello. My experience at the Easter Sunday Prince concert was completely humiliating. I have been a fan of Prince's for 24 years, seen many concerts, even danced on-stage with him at the Crown in Cincinnati. He's inspired me to become a songwriter myself - to date, I've written over 600 compositions, close to 50 about Prince. Who would've known I was in for a good cry on Sunday. My husband & I traveled 5 1/2 hours from Pittsburgh in a rainstorm to attend Sunday's concert. We couldn't afford 2 tickets, so my husband stayed in a motel why I attended Sunday's event alone. Little did I know I was hours away from be mistreated by none other than Prince himself. We arrived in Washington D.C. with a couple hours to spare; enough time for me to dye my hair purple underneath and finish sewing the costume I had been working on all week. We proceeded to the venue & my husband kissed me on the cheek & told me "have a good time, honey." Little did he know. So I proceed to the soundcheck. I'm shy, so I sat quietly in the back & saw no harm in placing one of my CD's on the stage. I thought hey, maybe he'll take a listen & see the next generation of what he's inspired. What a mistake. When Prince appeared on-stage he immediately picked up my CD & said "who's is this?" I said "mine, I'm Divinity" to which he rudely demanded "come & get it." I said "that's o.k., it's for you." Prince demanded "come & get it." I told him "no, you've embarrassed me enough already." He said "what's this about?" I proceeded to tell him I traveled 5 hours to get here & would like him to have a copy of my CD. To give him a frame of reference I told him, "I'm the one who wrote a 2nd verse to 'Crazy You.'" (o.k. the history. I was briefly signed at Oar Fin Records in Minneapolis. One of my favorite Prince songs is "Crazy You" an accoustic guitar song off his first album. I've listened to it over & over, & only having one verse I found the song to end too quickly for me. I thought wouldn't it be great if the song had a 2nd verse? So out of love & respect for Prince I chose to write a 2nd verse & I was told I had permission to record the song. I violated my contract at Oar Fin when another producer's original music was copied - so you see, I'm not into stealing intellectual property. In fact I added my own intellectual property to an existing work, thus making it a collaborative effort. Furthermore, when I dissolved the contract with Oar Fin, I called Paisley Park personally to tell them I was the one who wrote the 2nd verse to the song, asked them if they wanted a copy, and called Prince's attorney in N.Y. as directed. I gave Prince's attorney the infomation, he took down my personal info & told me he would call back if things were favorable. That was the end of that.) So, back to the story: To give him a frame of reference I told him, "I'm the one who wrote a 2nd verse to 'Crazy You.'" Prince said "did someone say you could do that?" I proceeded to tell him I had been a fan & why I did it. He repeated his question. I told him I called Paisley Park & his attorney & nothing ever became of it. Prince went on lecturing the crowd about the value of intellectual property & how Alicia Keys stole one of his songs. At one point another fam member yelled out to Prince, "hey man, she brought it to your house, no disrespect." To which he replied "would it have made a difference if Alicia Keys brought me my song in a catsuit?"(referring to my costume) Meanwhile, my addition to "Crazy You" is dead in the water. I never reproduced it, sold it - nada. It wasn't even on the CD I was trying to give him. As I said, I was using that comment to give Prince a frame of reference as to who I was in case he had heard it in the mix that - hey some girl called wanting permission to release a song - I wanted him to know I was her. What a dumb idea. Long story short, Prince assumed I had reproduced a copy of his song & profited off it, not true. But still he went off on me humiliating me publically in front of all the NPGMC members & mistreating me verbally. I yelled out "it's too bad you don't want to hear what you inspired." My CD was returned to me & I was told to be quiet or I would be forcefully removed & my ticket taken for me. Immediately I was hysterical crying which continued for 2 hours in which I was consoled by other fam members & employees at the Warner Theatre - thanks to the kind people in D.C. I stayed motionless in my seat crying & shaking, wimpering & sniffling with the security guard hovering over me waiting for any excuse to throw me out. What a rotten trip. Thanks a lot Prince. As for Prince, I & all the other fams present got to see why people say he's mean & difficult to get along with. The rotten twin was definitely on hand for Easter Sunday making me sorry I ever was a Prince fan, making me sorry I put forth so much effort. All night people were saying, oh, you're the girl Prince yelled at...great! Yeah, that's me - I'm the one Prince yelled at, I'm the one he misunderstood. Add me to the list of broken hearts. Most of all, practice what you preach - "love for one another" was not what I experienced & "one night alone with Prince" was definitely enough for me. www.divinitysse.com - the discography page of my website verifies the Prince collaboration song was never released. I am a songwriter myself; I know the value of intellectual property, I would not disrespect someone I've spent my life respecting...don't get it twisted. So the girl made a mistake, there's no need for Prince to be such a paranoid DICKHEAD. Maybe he needs to realise he gave her inspiration, just like he got inspiration from Larry Graham ( Oh, sorry, he only brought this to light when he started to work with him, what a coincidence, eh ) | |
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Hutchi: That picture of Muhammad Ali and Prince that you have in your profile is one of my all-time favorite Prince pics.There's another one where Ali is petting Prince on the head that's even better | |
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NikkiDarling said: Hutchi: That picture of Muhammad Ali and Prince that you have in your profile is one of my all-time favorite Prince pics.There's another one where Ali is petting Prince on the head that's even better
I did have it, but can't find it anymore, check out housequake.com, there's hundreds of cool pics. | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: As a matter of fact Prince made a joke that we were really quiet and that was probably because we were secretly taping and didn't want to ruin the recordings
lmao! | |
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BanishedBrian said: thouy said: If Prince is so worried about other people covering his work and stealing his intellectual property, maybe HE should quit covering songs himself. I would really like to hear if he's shelling out royalties to Joni Mitchel, Santana, the Ohio Players and so forth.
If the above story is all true, I feel sorry for her. All he had to do is pick up the CD and set it aside, or not even acknowledge it. End of story. For him to go the extra step of humiliating a fan is completely inconsiderate. Thats part of being a superstar Prince, get over it. We shell out plenty of money for these "experiences", go buy yourself some manners. I bet Prince got a license to cover Joni; and you don't need a license to cover a song live. He asked her if she got a license to do it? She had not gotten one. We don't shell out money to sit at the soundcheck IMHO. That's a privilege for which I am grateful. If you sat through the 2 hour and 55 minute show in the NPGMC section, you'd understand why the money we spent was well worth it for the show alone! If Prince lets you into a soundcheck to observe his WORKING, leave him the f' alone! And if he rebuffs you, shut up and leave it at that! [This message was edited Mon Apr 1 12:19:17 PST 2002 by BanishedBrian] _____ Now wait a minute, banished brain and others...everyone seems FRIGHTENED TO DEATH that prince will withdraw the soundcheck privledge if we DARE to cross him or upset him. this MAY be true, but what does that say for us? what good is it if we are afraid to step on his toes? remember he preaches the TRUTH. i think if we got something to say, we say it! he wont respect you if you are always yessing him ppl and afraid to speak up. _____ However, imo, i feel that was not the place or time to give him a cd. PLUS, we do all know, it seems prince gets very upset if he even THINKS someone stole his stuff. his music means the world to him. the fact that u never heard back from paisley staff or anyone else, means u shouldnt have gone ahead with production. no matter if it was for profit or not. even though u thought you were honoring him by these songs because u love him so much, you cant assume he feels the same. u should have contacted prince before going ahead. sometimes the paisley people dont communicate right with him. he probobly dont get half the messages or mail or whatever from his people. u must talk to him. if u couldnt contact him, then u cant do the cd, imo. period. we all also know prince has a side that can be nasty if u push it. i just believe u could have done this at another time, and even though he COULD have been accomodating, and nice, that would have signaled permission to others to pop cds on the stage,as there are lots of budding musicians that would like his help too. i think prince, however, could have been a bit more calm, and just said he wasnt interested, thank you, and he hasnt the time to listen to everyones cd. then if he had issues with if u were stealng his music he might have arranged to talk to u another time? _____i can see where you'd be hurt, but you shouldnt have kept arguing with him and got the cd back when he asked u to. it's really hard to say, and speculate who, if anyone was at fault here, if u werent there, as there are already conflicting reports of how it went down. and, i think also, that as WE need to be upfront with prince, and not intimidated, we have to let him be himself with us, and that means letting him spout off if he needs to, on issues he feels passionately about, and his music is certainly that...we need to understand too. May the BELLS ring 4 U even when ur not in love.   | |
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When Prince appeared on-stage he immediately picked up my CD & said "who's is this?" I said "mine, I'm Divinity" to which he rudely demanded "come & get it." I said "that's o.k., it's for you." Prince demanded "come & get it." I told him "no, you've embarrassed me enough already."
Divinity, you were embarrassed just by Prince asking you to come get the CD you left for him? That doesn't seem logical. Sounds like you got hot under the collar real quick without reason. So out of love & respect for Prince I chose to write a 2nd verse
And you expected Prince to be happy that you were essentially saying you felt one of his songs was unfinished, or not good enough the way it was? In fact I added my own intellectual property to an existing work, thus making it a collaborative effort.
A collaboration is when one artist INVITES another to participate and they work *together* to create something. This was not, and would never be considered a collaboration. I gave Prince's attorney the infomation, he took down my personal info & told me he would call back if things were favorable. That was the end of that.
Obviously, it was not OK then, with either Prince or the lawyers. If it was the lawyers, it would totally explain why Prince wouldn't know exactly who you are. Prince said "did someone say you could do that?" I proceeded to tell him I had been a fan & why I did it. He repeated his question.
He repeated the question because you did not answer it. His question was a "yes" or "no" thing. It was not a question where your life story is the answer. As I said, I was using that comment to give Prince a frame of reference as to who I was in case he had heard it in the mix that - hey some girl called wanting permission to release a song - I wanted him to know I was her. What a dumb idea.
Did it ever occur to you that Prince might not keep a backlog of who sends him stuff in his brain? Long story short, Prince assumed I had reproduced a copy of his song & profited off it, not true.
How is he supposed to know that? Is he supposed to stop the sound check and ask you to tell him exactly what you did, thereby wasting his rehearsal time before the show? I don't think so. I stayed motionless in my seat crying & shaking, wimpering & sniffling with the security guard hovering over me waiting for any excuse to throw me out. What a rotten trip. Thanks a lot Prince.
Hey, it's not his fault you can't get yourself under control. As far as I can see, he gave you no reason to cry. You got yourself all worked up for nothing when all you had to do was take your CD back like he asked. If you'd done that -- he probably would have looked you in the eye and you would have interacted with him directly! The rotten twin was definitely on hand for Easter Sunday making me sorry I ever was a Prince fan,
So you have to further retaliate against him? Most of all, practice what you preach - "love for one another" was not what I experienced.
Only because you decided to be argumentative instead of just taking your CD back like the man asked. What you put out into the world comes back to you, Divinity. Both in your argumentative tone to Prince, and the fact that you are clearly lying about being disabled (I checked your website, and you sure don't look disabled to me), it should come as no surprise to you that so many here are taking you to task for over-exaggerating your story. P. | |
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klhk said: what a lame ass story!
No wheelchairs, artificial legs or colosomy bags? This story could have been hiliarious if she had to reattach her artificail legs to go retrieve the CD from the demanding, embarrased and slightly apolegetic Prince when he saw the absence of lower limbs. You are TOO much! at 1st i thought it was the meathead, as u now have his avatar. LOL. May the BELLS ring 4 U even when ur not in love. | |
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How the hell are you disabled, besides mentally? If your songs are good then why don't you have some samples (lyrics, music) on your site? I'd love to hear that. Btw, get a fucking life, honey. Quit bugging him and let him play - nobody wants to hear witty banter between the two of you. Ok? | |
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That sounds like a sad nightmare Prince fan story. Wonder what else is all behind all of this mess, my goodness!
Whether true or not, don't like people to feel so hurt and humiliated, either way. [This message was edited Mon Apr 1 18:00:22 PST 2002 by purpleleaf7] | |
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   Divy  , huh [This message was edited Sat Apr 13 21:56:04 PDT 2002 by Divinity6] | |
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COUGHbullshitCOUGH | |
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Divinity,
Shut up already!! DAMN!! There are worse things in this world then Prince not wanting to accecpt your CD. Get over it. Why dont you spend more energy focusing on more positive things in your life. Like maybe a therpist? If you cannot handle rejection regardless of the reason behind it then you do not need to be in the entertainment business. And thats probably why you havent made it yet. Get over yourself. Prince or anyone else for that matter doesnt owe you a damn thing. You owe yourself something A SHRINK! | |
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And one other thing.
If you are sworn to silence over your disability then why the hell are you blasting that your disabled all over the ORG. Try to get sympathy somewhere else. Because we can see right through this mess. Not only did you waste precious time for the club members that were trying to enjoy their time that they paid for. You have started this whole thread on false accusations in your own self pitty. | |
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