matt said:

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SensualMelody said:

Every JWs get special treatment? Keep lying about a faith you refer to as "the truth".

Like the fact you avoid, which is how you would disown your son or daughter for having premarital sex and admitting it to and elder. Dodge it again? Oh yeah, I should be more specific. If you admit to an elder you had premarital sex with someone of another faith you would be disavowed from the JW faith and therefore disowned by your parents. I say another faith just to keep it realistic. Even though that is hardly the case for JWs or any religion. Its all about who finds out and the consequences. Prince might call them 'The Rules.'

I guarantee this post will either:

A. Not answered.

B. Will be answered avoiding the fact disowning a family member for that reason is wrong.

There seems 2 b a CONtradiction here. Could U imagine if God disowned and shunned his children when they did something wrong? Then we'd all b exiles imo. Rather, we are all embraced with LOVE and given another chance.

Rockability said:

You have to look at the bigger picture here. The average life span in the western world must be approximately between 65 – 80. (roughly) Compare that with everlasting life. Our life in this present system is a mere blink of the eye. The Scriptures are very clear on this matter; fornicators will not inherit God’s Kingdom and all the benefits that brings, along with everlasting life. God is not one to be mocked and if people refuse to acknowledge his righteous standards you have no future.

If anyone is to be removed from the congregation it will be based on the authoritative word of the Bible. The decision will be based on the scriptures not by mere opinion of any man but by the word of God. How refreshing!

Was Adolph Hitler excommunicated by the Catholic Church? No! Are suicide bombers excommunicated from their religion? No! Etc.

It seems you can belong to most religions and if you choose to live an immoral life whatever that may be, whether drunkenness, drug abuse, violence, sexual immorality, it’s ok you can still claim to be whatever it is you’re claiming to be. There is no room in Jehovah’s organization for such hypocrites. How refreshing!
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Vital said:

If you imagine bringing up a family and one of your (young adult say) children has no respect for the house you live in and no respect for his/her parents authority. You would no doubt give your child chance after chance to straighten him/herself out. Eventually though because of the havoc that he/she has brought to the household you are left with no choice but to ask that child to leave.

That is why God has allowed the evil world to continue so long; "Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance." -2 Peter 3:9.

NewSystem said:

Yeah, its true and sad. Most JWs are actually in fact more Prince-like than you would know. Repressed so much, by the time they hit 18, they are rebelling like they was 2. They are truly the Rainbow Children. God Bless them and all they have to endure.

My wife was a rainbow child, now she is just a happy woman.

p.s. Can you blame her?

jonno said:

Has it really come to this? This is the reason why i don't want to see this man ever live again, no offense to all the jehovah witnesses outhere.

Damn Prince you really are stupid.

PaisleyPark said:

Excuse me?

ZeemanUK said:

My mother is Jehovah's Witness, and she has never heard of some of the stuff he's talking about in these JW songs. Neither have her study partners. I wonder what 'sect' of the JWs he's with. I definitely would not have a problem inviting his wife and him in to discuss Jesus, if they knocked on a door-to-door campaign.

matt said:

LMFAO!!!!!


Prince, yes. Some other random JW? Hmmmmm(mx10^a frickin trillion)

>>It seems to me, that as long as his fortune is building a new wing on the back of a kingdom hall somewhere... I don't think they'll try and stop him from recording and performing his music.


You've got that right!
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Taureau said:

I'd probably do the same if any other Jehovah's Witness offered me a pamphlet or knocked on my door. (The latter is unlikely to happen, as I live in a controlled-access building.) Maybe I'd decline a Kingdom Hall invitation from a random Jehovah's Witness, but otherwise, I'd treat him/her the same as Prince. I've discussed my religion (or lack therof) with various people of different beliefs, and for the most part I enjoy it, even though I rarely seem to change anyone's mind.

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Vital said:

Now I am about to display my TOTAL ignorance on this issue, but how can you be a Christian if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your savior. I thought that is what Christian meant.... Christ bearer.
Now trying to start a virtual riot here... just always wondered. And excuse me for veering off topic.

NewSystem said:

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You would not know anything about Prince giving out JW stuff unless you were at the front of the concert or on this board. He has not said or done anything public about JW religion during this tour.

Kenshin said:

I beg to differ. I'm not a JW but two of my Aunt's and their families are or rather were, one still is. They were baptised almost immediatly it seemed. Maybe because they passed a test or something on Biblical knowledge????

Prince's Momma was a JW, as was he when he was in his youth. He was baptized prior to his marriage to Mani.

HumbleOne said:

I think you've been misinforned. Although Prince attended church as a child, I've never found out the denomination of any church he attended.

If you have access to some 1960's Watchtower roll call sheet, I seriously doubt you will find Prince's mama, or Prince's name on it.

You can tell by the spirituality in his music from 1978 – 1997, that he believed in a Christianity based faith. That all changed after Larry Graham joined the band. His first album to incorporate his current "religion" was New Power Soul. Watch the video for "Come On" and how he re-enacts his transition as Larry hands him a Watchtower pamphlet.

I could've sworn someone on the org posted an interview with the elder who baptized Prince, and if I remember correctly he said Prince was baptized with Mani.

Reiterating what I have believed was the demise of their marraige to begin with... Mayté would not convert to being a witness.

innappropriate.....


funny, i was just discussing this issue with my aunts and uncle who are witnesses.....i was telling them about he used to hand out pamphlets during his paisly park shows.....they all agreed that there was a time and place for discussing jehovah and a concert wasnt one of them.....hey said that the elders probably talked to him about and thats why he stopped...it has been awhile since something like this occured....

prince, knock it off.....brotha always gotta be breaken rules..

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SensualMelody said:

It's very honest of you to admit your lack of knowledge. You are absoulty right regarding faith in Christ but Jehovah's Witnesses endorse completely the apostle Peter's testimony regarding Jesus Christ: "There is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."-Acts 4:12.

yasetshego said:

which sect? there arent different sects like orthodox JWand reform JW its all the same. I think he just hasn't realized yet that he needs to watch out because unfortunatley people are judging all JW based on what he does. Which is sad because what if i judged all muslims based on what a small group of terrorist did. That would be sad. And another thing He couldn't be baptized with Mani (As in the same pool holding hands to gether or something) because tat is an individual and personal choice that i'm sure he made for himself and not fpr anyone elsenot even his wife.

HumbleOne said:

U should REALLY stop reading tabloids....b/c your statements arent even correct....

New System, why do you keep talking about Prince in the same sentence as your religion. I mean the man is all about FUCKING.

Oh yeah, I stand corrected, he is about spirituality and FUCKING.

Remember Erotic City, Jack U Off, Sexy M'Fucker, Little Red Corvette, Superfunkacalifragasexy, Get Off, Head, Dirty Mind, Let's Pretent We're Married (hmm, not married?), Lady Cab Driver, Darling Nikki (damn, talk bout the best ho song ever!), It, etc.

Really, either you are seeing the light New System and understand artistic expression, or you are just waisting your time preaching crap you don't even believe in.

Why else would you be here defending the greatest RUDE man ever to strum a guitar?

Rockability said:

It looks to me like NewSystem is politely pointing out inaccuracies and trying to set matters straight so there are no misunderstandings. You on the other hand, appear to be attacking a faith of which you don't even have an accurate understanding.

I think Rockability has an excellent point, and it is one that I want to ask to everyone who comes on these boards and talks more about their religion and Prince's religion than anything to do with music.

This is a man who has built his career on innuendo and sex appeal - and although he has toned down the most blatantly salacious tunes, a good portion of the songs played at his recent concerts are about sex.

If you're oh-so-religious, then why the fuck are you wasting your time on a website devoted to a hypersexual rock star?

theblueangel said:

Well, I won't take your comments personally, because I post in all the forums. If you wanna look at Prince as a hypersexual rock star, that's your choice. I look at him as a person.
Does it matter what he "built his career on"? This is exactly what Prince doesn't want. So many people here complain about Prince condemning his past. The man has already said he has no regrets. He simply doesn't want to be shackled by his past. People change. It sounds to me like folks are upset about Prince's changes and want to take their frustration out on JWs.
A lot of us have been supporters of P for many years, long before he was a JW. I don't think I'm wasting my time any more than you think you're wasting yours. I'm a music lover and a musician. I spend the majority of my time here discussing music, but when someone makes an incorrect statement or generalization about my faith, I, NewSystem, SensualMelody and others have to speak up, just like anyone else would. I'm not here to preach, but discussions normally get started when a non-JW starts a thread about us.

OdysseyMiles said:

"but when someone makes an incorrect statement or generalization about my faith, I, NewSystem, SensualMelody and others have to speak up, just like anyone else would. I'm not here to preach, but discussions normally get started when a non-JW starts a thread about us."



And what incorrect statement was that?

Prince still makes rude music and yet it's beautiful isn't it? That's why your here. Admit it, you got around to buying his old stuff and love it.

I wouldn't blame you.

Just quit with the preaching, this is a Prince site. You have plenty of time for reading your stuff with your "friends" three times a week. Its all about the rock-funk-soul here.

Rockability said:

How's about this glaring generalization here?

Rockability sad:

Uh, I would know, since I was born and raised in the faith. There are plenty of (repressed) people like you mentioned, but they don't represent the majority of JWs. You're in no position to make such an assumption. There are "repressed" people everywhere. In my experience, the blame for that falls squarely on the parents, regardless of the faith.

Rockability said:

A lot of Prince's old stuff is quite good, some not so good. I'm not as caught up in his old stuff as you seem to be.

Rockability said:

Like I said before, the threads discussing JWs and their beliefs are almost always started by non-JWs. If nobody brings it up, it won't get discussed.
Nobody's preaching here, unless someone asks us a question. I don't come here to try and "convert" folks. My time spent is my business.You've got plenty of time to whine about religion and faith on all the anti-Witness sites out there. We'd all be better off applying the counsel at 1 Thessalonians 4:11 -...live quietly and mind your own business.

U know alot of this mess is gonna send some folks straight 2 hell for spreading the wrong info about God....

I'm truly getting sick of all this....

T"here are "repressed" people everywhere. In my experience, the blame for that falls squarely on the parents, regardless of the faith. "


Hey, we agree!

And its not that I am only generalizing JWs, cause all extreme sides of religion are repressive. JWs just happen to be on the extreme all the way around. That's because it is a new religion. All new religions try to make a name for themselves, mostly due to the inventor carving out a niche to seperate it from the others.

MAN MADE.

God doesn't represent any religion.
[Edited 9/24/04 1:23am]

SensualMelody said:[quote]

Vital said:

How about anal sex?