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I'm a Black Ex-Felon. I'm Glad Kyle Rittenhouse Is Free

| Opinion David Ben Moshe

I've been saying the same thing for the longest. In most of these cases, even in our own lives, it's not always so black in white. Everytime I present the bmlm trumps bmetoo narrative, I get silence

and then people go back to arguing their side points

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He's right. As a Black man who spent two and a half years in federal prison, I have personally experienced the injustice in our criminal justice system. But as the political divide over Kyle Rittenhouse demonstrates, we seem less intent on effectively addressing our problems and more concerned with creating narratives that reinforce our preconceived views.

You can see this in the response to the police shooting that sparked the protests that led to Rittenhouse's trial: the shooting of Jacob Blake. After watching the full video of the police shooting, I was left with more questions than answers about how his story was being portrayed. Jacob Blake was harassing his girlfriend, a Black woman who had previously accused him of sexually assaulting her. She called the police, and when they arrived, Blake physically fought with them. Then he went to his car and reached for a knife before being shot—four times in the back and three times in the side.

The Left saw Jacob Blake as the victim of a racist police force hunting Black men. The Right saw a guiltless officer unworthy of investigation. Both stories lacked the complexity of reality.

Watching the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, I observed the same pattern: Everyone saw injustice, but the two conflicting narratives also lacked nuance.

The Right saw a hero being dragged through an unjust court system, a victim of media demonization. The Left saw a white supremacist who drove "across state lines" to kill peaceful protesters demanding dignity for Black Americans.

The assumptions of both sides were proven false in the courtroom: Rittenhouse certainly made poor decisions, but that doesn't make him a criminal. Criminals are convicted in a court of law by a jury based on the available evidence. That is justice.

Huge amounts of time, energy, and money have been spent on a dysfunctional conversation that is encouraging a violent reality, instead of what we need: a better future. We should be having serious discussions about gun laws, self-defense laws, and the ability of our system to keep law and order on the streets. Because in a reality where civilian teenagers can legally walk the streets with assault rifles while the rioters loot and burn cities, people will die.


Our national conversation shouldn't be limited to high-profile cases such as Rittenhouse and Blake. There are vigilante murders happening every day in America, most occurring in Black communities, with innocents getting hit in the crossfire.

From the facts presented at trial, including video evidence and the eyewitness testimony of a man he shot, it seems clear that Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defense as defined by the law and received a fair trial. One shouldn't be labeled right-wing for affirming the legitimacy of the court's decision....

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Reply #1 posted 11/23/21 9:26am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

| Opinion David Ben Moshe

I've been saying the same thing for the longest. In most of these cases, even in our own lives, it's not always so black in white. Everytime I present the bmlm trumps bmetoo narrative, I get silence

and then people go back to arguing their side points

..

He's right. As a Black man who spent two and a half years in federal prison, I have personally experienced the injustice in our criminal justice system. But as the political divide over Kyle Rittenhouse demonstrates, we seem less intent on effectively addressing our problems and more concerned with creating narratives that reinforce our preconceived views.

You can see this in the response to the police shooting that sparked the protests that led to Rittenhouse's trial: the shooting of Jacob Blake. After watching the full video of the police shooting, I was left with more questions than answers about how his story was being portrayed. Jacob Blake was harassing his girlfriend, a Black woman who had previously accused him of sexually assaulting her. She called the police, and when they arrived, Blake physically fought with them. Then he went to his car and reached for a knife before being shot—four times in the back and three times in the side.

The Left saw Jacob Blake as the victim of a racist police force hunting Black men. The Right saw a guiltless officer unworthy of investigation. Both stories lacked the complexity of reality.

Watching the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, I observed the same pattern: Everyone saw injustice, but the two conflicting narratives also lacked nuance.

The Right saw a hero being dragged through an unjust court system, a victim of media demonization. The Left saw a white supremacist who drove "across state lines" to kill peaceful protesters demanding dignity for Black Americans.

The assumptions of both sides were proven false in the courtroom: Rittenhouse certainly made poor decisions, but that doesn't make him a criminal. Criminals are convicted in a court of law by a jury based on the available evidence. That is justice.

Huge amounts of time, energy, and money have been spent on a dysfunctional conversation that is encouraging a violent reality, instead of what we need: a better future. We should be having serious discussions about gun laws, self-defense laws, and the ability of our system to keep law and order on the streets. Because in a reality where civilian teenagers can legally walk the streets with assault rifles while the rioters loot and burn cities, people will die.


Our national conversation shouldn't be limited to high-profile cases such as Rittenhouse and Blake. There are vigilante murders happening every day in America, most occurring in Black communities, with innocents getting hit in the crossfire.

From the facts presented at trial, including video evidence and the eyewitness testimony of a man he shot, it seems clear that Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defense as defined by the law and received a fair trial. One shouldn't be labeled right-wing for affirming the legitimacy of the court's decision....

I'm a Black Ex-Felon. I'm... (msn.com)

"Both stories lacked the complexity of reality" - we seem to get that a lot on here. Perhaps the org is a microcosm of the US.

Another sub-headline for this story, just to balance it out, could be "Black ex-felon confirms injustice in our criminal justice system."

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Reply #2 posted 11/23/21 9:47am

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RichardS said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

| Opinion David Ben Moshe

I've been saying the same thing for the longest. In most of these cases, even in our own lives, it's not always so black in white. Everytime I present the bmlm trumps bmetoo narrative, I get silence

and then people go back to arguing their side points

..

He's right. As a Black man who spent two and a half years in federal prison, I have personally experienced the injustice in our criminal justice system. But as the political divide over Kyle Rittenhouse demonstrates, we seem less intent on effectively addressing our problems and more concerned with creating narratives that reinforce our preconceived views.

You can see this in the response to the police shooting that sparked the protests that led to Rittenhouse's trial: the shooting of Jacob Blake. After watching the full video of the police shooting, I was left with more questions than answers about how his story was being portrayed. Jacob Blake was harassing his girlfriend, a Black woman who had previously accused him of sexually assaulting her. She called the police, and when they arrived, Blake physically fought with them. Then he went to his car and reached for a knife before being shot—four times in the back and three times in the side.

The Left saw Jacob Blake as the victim of a racist police force hunting Black men. The Right saw a guiltless officer unworthy of investigation. Both stories lacked the complexity of reality.

Watching the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, I observed the same pattern: Everyone saw injustice, but the two conflicting narratives also lacked nuance.

The Right saw a hero being dragged through an unjust court system, a victim of media demonization. The Left saw a white supremacist who drove "across state lines" to kill peaceful protesters demanding dignity for Black Americans.

The assumptions of both sides were proven false in the courtroom: Rittenhouse certainly made poor decisions, but that doesn't make him a criminal. Criminals are convicted in a court of law by a jury based on the available evidence. That is justice.

Huge amounts of time, energy, and money have been spent on a dysfunctional conversation that is encouraging a violent reality, instead of what we need: a better future. We should be having serious discussions about gun laws, self-defense laws, and the ability of our system to keep law and order on the streets. Because in a reality where civilian teenagers can legally walk the streets with assault rifles while the rioters loot and burn cities, people will die.


Our national conversation shouldn't be limited to high-profile cases such as Rittenhouse and Blake. There are vigilante murders happening every day in America, most occurring in Black communities, with innocents getting hit in the crossfire.

From the facts presented at trial, including video evidence and the eyewitness testimony of a man he shot, it seems clear that Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defense as defined by the law and received a fair trial. One shouldn't be labeled right-wing for affirming the legitimacy of the court's decision....

I'm a Black Ex-Felon. I'm... (msn.com)

"Both stories lacked the complexity of reality" - we seem to get that a lot on here. Perhaps the org is a microcosm of the US.

Another sub-headline for this story, just to balance it out, could be "Black ex-felon confirms injustice in our criminal justice system."

of course, but the Org is a microcosm of humans(people here are from all over the world)

As a result there are a lot of misunderstandings and miscommunications. Varying ideas laws and beliefs subject to subject.

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I started a discussion a few years ago about how it really is human beings seeing the world through(the left side of the brain or the right side) Too many of us look at the world as either black or white up or down, good or evil. but we don't do well with the middle with the various grays, even the various tones of 'black or white' In America for example we have a hard time seeing 'mixed people with African ancestry' as anything other than 'black' they could look Asian or European but people will see that itty bitty Black and then say 'Black is more dominate'

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Some things are definately black or white up or down right or wrong.

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if he didn't confer that the system was injust I wouldn't sub-headline it. Wouldn't that again be the problem. Instead of the nuances of human behavior? I mean in the earth with the human race since the beginning we have struggled with this from continent to continent ethnic group to ethnic group. My parents made laws as best as they could to help govern the home, that doesn't mean it was perfect, it also doesn't mean it was injust. They are just trying to figure out this thing called life.

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example: I'm about 16/17 I got out shopping, my mother bakes a cake, she leaves to go to the grocery store. She tells my brother 'don't touch the cake until I get back'. I come home, I can smell the freshly baked cake outside the door. I immediately go into the kitchen and cut a small slice. My brother comes yelling 'you're not supposed to eat the cake' I've already cut it and pulled it out, so I eat it. My brother then goes and cuts a piece for himself. Mom comes home and 'Who cut the cake' I admit to cutting a slice, then my brother did. He gets in trouble, because as Mom said "He didn't know, I did not tell him, but I DID tell you and you cut a slice anyway' He thinks mom is unjust/unfair and holds a little grudge.

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Reply #3 posted 11/23/21 10:16am

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RichardS said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

| Opinion David Ben Moshe

I've been saying the same thing for the longest. In most of these cases, even in our own lives, it's not always so black in white. Everytime I present the bmlm trumps bmetoo narrative, I get silence

and then people go back to arguing their side points

..

He's right. As a Black man who spent two and a half years in federal prison, I have personally experienced the injustice in our criminal justice system. But as the political divide over Kyle Rittenhouse demonstrates, we seem less intent on effectively addressing our problems and more concerned with creating narratives that reinforce our preconceived views.

You can see this in the response to the police shooting that sparked the protests that led to Rittenhouse's trial: the shooting of Jacob Blake. After watching the full video of the police shooting, I was left with more questions than answers about how his story was being portrayed. Jacob Blake was harassing his girlfriend, a Black woman who had previously accused him of sexually assaulting her. She called the police, and when they arrived, Blake physically fought with them. Then he went to his car and reached for a knife before being shot—four times in the back and three times in the side.

The Left saw Jacob Blake as the victim of a racist police force hunting Black men. The Right saw a guiltless officer unworthy of investigation. Both stories lacked the complexity of reality.

Watching the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, I observed the same pattern: Everyone saw injustice, but the two conflicting narratives also lacked nuance.

The Right saw a hero being dragged through an unjust court system, a victim of media demonization. The Left saw a white supremacist who drove "across state lines" to kill peaceful protesters demanding dignity for Black Americans.

The assumptions of both sides were proven false in the courtroom: Rittenhouse certainly made poor decisions, but that doesn't make him a criminal. Criminals are convicted in a court of law by a jury based on the available evidence. That is justice.

Huge amounts of time, energy, and money have been spent on a dysfunctional conversation that is encouraging a violent reality, instead of what we need: a better future. We should be having serious discussions about gun laws, self-defense laws, and the ability of our system to keep law and order on the streets. Because in a reality where civilian teenagers can legally walk the streets with assault rifles while the rioters loot and burn cities, people will die.


Our national conversation shouldn't be limited to high-profile cases such as Rittenhouse and Blake. There are vigilante murders happening every day in America, most occurring in Black communities, with innocents getting hit in the crossfire.

From the facts presented at trial, including video evidence and the eyewitness testimony of a man he shot, it seems clear that Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defense as defined by the law and received a fair trial. One shouldn't be labeled right-wing for affirming the legitimacy of the court's decision....

I'm a Black Ex-Felon. I'm... (msn.com)

"Both stories lacked the complexity of reality" - we seem to get that a lot on here. Perhaps the org is a microcosm of the US.

Another sub-headline for this story, just to balance it out, could be "Black ex-felon confirms injustice in our criminal justice system."

Also all the African-Americans who cheered when OJ got off, did the justice system not do it's job?
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I thought he was guilty of it. And I can remember saying "I want to sit through and watch the case and see how my judgement goes with/against the evidence" I really wanted to sit impartial and let the evidence and the prosecution/defense do their job. When it was over, I said wow the defense AND THE PROSECUTION, proved he was not guilty.
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From there on I always wanted to sit on a Jury, but was never picked. And I love watching Judge Judy. People that holler the loudest against her just picked the wrong side lol

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Reply #4 posted 11/23/21 11:13am

RichardS

Yes I agree that "Too many of us look at the world as either black or white up or down, good or evil" and that "The human race since the beginning we have struggled with this from continent to continent ethnic group to ethnic group."

Is the solution to this, and to the polarisation and antagonism that exists, to continually highlight individual instances where 'my side is right/your side is wrong', whether that's from the media, politicians or org posters?

PS I though it was an org rule that EVIL had to be all caps smile

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Reply #5 posted 11/23/21 11:24am

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RichardS said:

Is the solution to this, and to the polarisation and antagonism that exists, to continually highlight individual instances where 'my side is right/your side is wrong', whether that's from the media, politicians or org posters?

That's par for the org.

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Reply #6 posted 11/23/21 12:02pm

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RichardS said:

Yes I agree that "Too many of us look at the world as either black or white up or down, good or evil" and that "The human race since the beginning we have struggled with this from continent to continent ethnic group to ethnic group."

Is the solution to this, and to the polarisation and antagonism that exists, to continually highlight individual instances where 'my side is right/your side is wrong', whether that's from the media, politicians or org posters?

PS I though it was an org rule that EVIL had to be all caps smile

LOL no just the V it makes evil look like it's looking at you with an eVil frown

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I agree, try to work at seeing the nuances, especially if we can put ourselves in that moment. I remember watching CNN and it was Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon. I forget what it was about but Don was acting out, he was slapping the desk etc and Chris was just sittting there still. Chris made a statement, that shocked me, and was against the grain. And it was a clear opening that I could conclude that I believed Chris wasn't so 'staunchly' just left leaning. But Don want on to crying and slapping the desk.

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I think if we/people can look at all the nuanced gray spaces in their/our lives when we want understanding, and I know anyone who is married/in a relationship, has close friends, family as well as work relationships, we know want want that balanced opinion for us.


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