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OnlyNDaUsa

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Looks like justice will prevail in Ahmaud Arbery case

A hearing over the charges was held... And it seems the defence of self defence during a citizens arrest is out as there was no citizens arrest (the defence agreed it was not a citizens arrest) then they can not claim self defence and thus is is guilty.

So it sounded like the judge issued a summery verdict of guilty.

It seems they want to negotiate a deal for sentencing.



Sorry the man's name is Ahmaud Arbery.


And I was a little off. The judge's charge instructions effectively removed any
claims of self defense as the they had no legal basis to effect a citizens arrest so their attempt to be arrest him is not valid so they can not use that as a reason use self defence.

So now it is as if they just randomly picked him out and ran up to him armed and attempted to abduct him. So then Ahmaud Arbery rightfully defended himself.

So for at least 2 of them it looks like murder. The 3rd may have some room.
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Reply #1 posted 11/19/21 5:02pm

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Rest in peace Amad Aubry, overshadowed by the media circus over at the KR trial.
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Reply #2 posted 11/19/21 5:54pm

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They have no defense. They can follow, they can film, they can get the cops... they can't hunt someone down and shoot them.

Guilty!

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Reply #3 posted 11/19/21 11:32pm

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Let's get his name right: Ahmaud Arbery.

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Reply #4 posted 11/20/21 7:08am

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TrivialPursuit said:

Let's get his name right: Ahmaud Arbery.



Thanks... Corrected.
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Reply #5 posted 11/20/21 7:23am

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Only God believes in justice. poo

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #6 posted 11/20/21 7:24am

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DJ, we know what you and Only are doing.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #7 posted 11/20/21 8:49am

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2freaky4church1 said:

DJ, we know what you and Only are doing.




No you don't. I am as always going by facts, the law, and the evidence.


The two cases are very different. Maybe you are mad that I am constant and others are not. Some go by emotional reaction. Some want to hang the wrongs of the past... And that leads them to have an inaccurate opinion.




EDIT: above I said I "always [go] by fact, the law, and the evidence" I should not have use the word "always" I do try to do so, I try to not allow emotions to get in the way, I try to not like immaterial issues get in the way.
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Reply #8 posted 11/20/21 9:40am

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2freaky4church1 said:

DJ, we know what you and Only are doing.


Really? You know that we are proving that we are consistent in our values and that we go with the facts while others are hypocrites that defend their "side" by any means necessary?

Guess we're busted. lol

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Reply #9 posted 11/20/21 10:39am

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What is odd is when the system gets it right (this case) some still are mad.

Some people talking about this (soon to be conviction) as if it is a bad thing as if it is still racist?

I can totally ignore the facts that could help the defence as the ones that hurt it are so vastly overwhelmeing that the only verdict is guilty. (For what I am not sure but it will be something.)
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Reply #10 posted 11/20/21 10:56am

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It's also odd that they think this case is at all similar to the Rittenhouse case. The situations are totally different. Arbery was not the aggressor. The three people shot in Kenosha were the aggressors.

Facts matter.

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Reply #11 posted 11/20/21 4:08pm

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djThunderfunk said:

It's also odd that they think this case is at all similar to the Rittenhouse case. The situations are totally different. Arbery was not the aggressor. The three people shot in Kenosha were the aggressors.

Facts matter.



They're similar in the fact..that hey both took it upon themselves to become judge,jury and executioner..

Kyle is 17...what the hell is even doin there..let alone with a rifle???..
These guys chased Ahmaud down..like they were the cops..what the hell were they doin???.

They weren't asked nor told to do what they did..

They willingly put themselves in harm's way
Then claim self defense
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Reply #12 posted 11/21/21 5:50am

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djThunderfunk said:

It's also odd that they think this case is at all similar to the Rittenhouse case. The situations are totally different. Arbery was not the aggressor. The three people shot in Kenosha were the aggressors.

Facts matter.

They're similar in the fact..that hey both took it upon themselves to become judge,jury and executioner.. Kyle is 17...what the hell is even doin there..let alone with a rifle???.. These guys chased Ahmaud down..like they were the cops..what the hell were they doin???. They weren't asked nor told to do what they did.. They willingly put themselves in harm's way Then claim self defense

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Reply #13 posted 11/21/21 7:02am

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funkdoctorrock said:

djThunderfunk said:

It's also odd that they think this case is at all similar to the Rittenhouse case. The situations are totally different. Arbery was not the aggressor. The three people shot in Kenosha were the aggressors.

Facts matter.



They're similar in the fact..that hey both took it upon themselves to become judge,jury and executioner..

Kyle is 17...what the hell is even doin there..let alone with a rifle???..
These guys chased Ahmaud down..like they were the cops..what the hell were they doin???.

They weren't asked nor told to do what they did..

They willingly put themselves in harm's way
Then claim self defense


Not really. Is clear the Kyle was running for his life he was trying to get away he did nothing that provoked the attack and he did not break any laws.

And I think everyone who looks at this case needs to clear their mind and reflect upon the dozens and dozens of lies told by the media about this person and his case. And then consider the ones that have been proven to be absolutely false and then consider that the ones that can't be proven one way or the other and decide you think those are likely true or likely false based on the other lies the same four people in the media told.

In the Arbery case these guys that had nothing to do with the events, the allegations that this person had been seen multiple times entering into a home under construction which is by definition burglary, and he was a person of interest to the police and was on a soft BOLO a was assumed to be armed and or dangerous. Other evidence suggests that he was not a runner it was not out for a jog they was out looking for stuff that loot or. Again these are allegations it did come out in the trial. However all that being said oh, they're totally relevance. As long as the law the persons making a citizen's arrest would have had to witness the individual commit a felony. They had not oh, so the defense of self-defense during a citizen's arrest is not valid and thus the instructions to the jury that essentially there is no basis to rule not guilty.

If the jury rules not guilty then you'll have me on your side 100% that it was a rogue Jerry and he should have been convicted.
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Reply #14 posted 11/21/21 7:32am

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funkdoctorrock said:

djThunderfunk said:

It's also odd that they think this case is at all similar to the Rittenhouse case. The situations are totally different. Arbery was not the aggressor. The three people shot in Kenosha were the aggressors.

Facts matter.

They're similar in the fact..that hey both took it upon themselves to become judge,jury and executioner.. Kyle is 17...what the hell is even doin there..let alone with a rifle???.. These guys chased Ahmaud down..like they were the cops..what the hell were they doin???. They weren't asked nor told to do what they did.. They willingly put themselves in harm's way Then claim self defense


If Arbery had shot the men chasing him down with weapons, that would have been self defense, and then the cases would be the same.

And Arbery would have been justified.

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Reply #15 posted 11/21/21 8:22am

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djThunderfunk said:



funkdoctorrock said:


djThunderfunk said:

It's also odd that they think this case is at all similar to the Rittenhouse case. The situations are totally different. Arbery was not the aggressor. The three people shot in Kenosha were the aggressors.

Facts matter.



They're similar in the fact..that hey both took it upon themselves to become judge,jury and executioner.. Kyle is 17...what the hell is even doin there..let alone with a rifle???.. These guys chased Ahmaud down..like they were the cops..what the hell were they doin???. They weren't asked nor told to do what they did.. They willingly put themselves in harm's way Then claim self defense


If Arbery had shot the men chasing him down with weapons, that would have been self defense, and then the cases would be the same.

And Arbery would have been justified.



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Reply #16 posted 11/21/21 11:15pm

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These cases are very different. Rittenhouse had no business being there, much less armed, but murder isn't a charge they could ever prove. Reckless endangerment would've been a reasonable conviction. There should've been some consequences for killing 2 people and injuring another. Of course when they couldn't bring charges against the dirty cop that sparked the protests in the first place why would we expect this kid to be held accountable. The message is clear. America values an individual's right to bear arms over community safety. It also tells us the right to protest is frowned upon by much of law enforcement whereas vigilante justice is condoned if not applauded.

The Arbery case is different because there's no gray area. These yokels just killed a man that posed no threat to them for no reason other than having the audacity to be there. Of course, Zimmerman got off in similar circumstances so we know the courts aren't always reliable. Judges, lawyers and juries come with their own biases like all other human beings so if they share the same or similar values as the perpetrators of the crimes they will create excuses or find "reasonable" doubt where there isn't any. There's nothing to really disparage this victim (no hoodie) though so I don't think they can find a way to let these guys off the hook. If they do Rittenhouse and the boys will be making their way down to Georgia.

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Reply #17 posted 11/22/21 12:16am

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djThunderfunk said:



funkdoctorrock said:


djThunderfunk said:

It's also odd that they think this case is at all similar to the Rittenhouse case. The situations are totally different. Arbery was not the aggressor. The three people shot in Kenosha were the aggressors.

Facts matter.



They're similar in the fact..that hey both took it upon themselves to become judge,jury and executioner.. Kyle is 17...what the hell is even doin there..let alone with a rifle???.. These guys chased Ahmaud down..like they were the cops..what the hell were they doin???. They weren't asked nor told to do what they did.. They willingly put themselves in harm's way Then claim self defense


If Arbery had shot the men chasing him down with weapons, that would have been self defense, and then the cases would be the same.

And Arbery would have been justified.



Nah..they both wanted to be on patrol..
Night guard .day guard or whatever.
Creating a tense situation..
In Kyle's case an already tense hostile situation.

When you bring a gun..you're preparing for action

They were asking for trouble and they got it..

People loss their life in the process...
But they found it..

If it was their property??? I could give them some slack..
But it wasnt..

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These 3 persons are idiots plain in simple

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BUT I cannot stand that these Race Reverands are being paraded to this trial.




Jesse Jackson is half dead. Wasn't he still in the hospital or right out of the hospital before they dragged him down to sit in the trail?




I mean he's probably being affected by his part in the mlk assasination

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Reply #20 posted 11/22/21 6:45am

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Closing arguments are happeing now. I am watching a lawyer's livestream. He said what I said that the claim of self-defence is out as they had seen him comit a crime 11 or so days prior so they had not legal right to arrest him.



Ahmaud Arbery | Closing A... - YouTube

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Reply #21 posted 11/22/21 8:04am

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The prosecution's closing was kind of a mess. All she really needs to do is say they had no grounds to arrest him so they created the situation and can not then use deadly force to defend themselves. Boom mic 🎤 drop case closed.
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Reply #22 posted 11/22/21 10:39am

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I am about an hour and a half behind! But so far the defence is making all kinds of augments and stating some facts and what lead up to Arbery's death....and it is all for nothing.

They did not ever see him steel anything they only think he did. And that is not enough! They may have seen him 11 days before entering into a home under construction but so what? It has to be immediate.


So when they approach Mr. Arbery with no legal grounds they created the situation they committed the first offence so they have no legal claim to self defence.

They will be convicted. If not it will be a travesty.

EDIT the first defence attorney made a good presentation but it offers no legal defence.... Murder seems like the only reasonable verdict.

The McMicheals commited a crime when they cornered him "like a rat." It was not and could not be a legal citizen's arrest. The killer's past in law enforcment makes the case worst not better.


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Reply #23 posted 11/22/21 11:43am

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the 2nd defence lawyer is doing a great job but it means nothing, they have no legal defence... the instructions will say as much.


the dirty defence tried to scar the jury by asking the judge to ask them if they were aware of the people protesting outside one who was said to have a gun....but wait the mcmicheal's had a gun... so now guns are bad?


then they asked to remove a juror who is black they said was sleeping... but no one else saw it and they did not mention it when she was alleged to be asleep...


they are also victim blaming saying that Arbery should have just complied with their orders...

I agree there was no malace proven so that charge is out

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Reply #24 posted 11/23/21 8:31am

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Now I am getting worried. They did not drive home well enough that because they had no immidate direct knowlage that Ahmaud had commited a felony then they had no legal grounds to chase and arrest him.



That is key to the correct verdict. The defense has already admited they had no immidate direct knowlage that Ahmaud had commited a felony. That means the attempted arrest was unlawful and thus a felony. Meaning the defedants can not use self defese to justify the use of force--just like a robber can not kill a victim because they fight back.


If anyone had the legal basis to preform a citizen's arrest it was Mr. Arbury.

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Reply #25 posted 11/23/21 10:18am

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Why Are the McMichaels So Scared?

Nicole Lewis - 58m ago
When the defense for the three white men accused of murdering 25-year-old Ahmaud Arbery while he was out on a jog last year rested its case on Friday, the jury had heard remarkably little about the way race may have informed or motivated Arbery’s killing. The defense team went to great lengths to depoliticize the trial and to minimize any suggestion that Gregory and Travis McMichael or William Bryan acted on racial animus against Arbery, who was Black. The prosecution, for its part, has shied away from suggesting that bigotry may have played a role in the shooting too, possibly because such an argument would not be favorable with the nearly white jury pool...

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VERDICT: WHITE SUPREMACISTS FOUND GUILTY!

Travis McMichael

Malice murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felonly murder: GUILTY

Aggrivated assault: GUILTY

Aggrevated assault: GUILTY

False imprisonment: GUILTY

Criminal intent to commit felony: GUILTY

Gregory McMichael

Malice murder: NOT-GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Aggravated assault: GUILTY

Aggravated assault: GUILTY

False imprisonment: GUILTY

Criminal intent to commit felony: GUILTY


William "Roddie" Bryan

Malice murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: NOT-GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Aggravated assault: NOT-GUILTY

Aggravated assaultA: GUILTY

False Imprisonment: GUILTY

Criminal intent to commit felony: GUILTY



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TrivialPursuit said:

VERDICT: WHITE SUPREMACISTS FOUND GUILTY!

Travis McMichael

Malice murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felonly murder: GUILTY

Aggrivated assault: GUILTY

Aggrevated assault: GUILTY

False imprisonment: GUILTY

Criminal intent to commit felony: GUILTY

Gregory McMichael

Malice murder: NOT-GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Aggravated assault: GUILTY

Aggravated assault: GUILTY

False imprisonment: GUILTY

Criminal intent to commit felony: GUILTY


William "Roddie" Bryan

Malice murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: NOT-GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Aggravated assault: NOT-GUILTY

Aggravated assaultA: GUILTY

False Imprisonment: GUILTY

Criminal intent to commit felony: GUILTY




Guilty. Yes. And good.

Are they white supremacist because they are white and Arbery was black? Or are they actually some kinda klansmen?

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Reply #28 posted 11/24/21 11:27am

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Guilty as charged. This was flatout murder. Had him trapped like a rat. It didn't have to end this way, but when they saw it was a black man, they did whatever they felt like doing and it was definitely murder.

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Reply #29 posted 11/24/21 12:06pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

VERDICT: WHITE SUPREMACISTS FOUND GUILTY!

Travis McMichael

Malice murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felonly murder: GUILTY

Aggrivated assault: GUILTY

Aggrevated assault: GUILTY

False imprisonment: GUILTY

Criminal intent to commit felony: GUILTY

Gregory McMichael

Malice murder: NOT-GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Aggravated assault: GUILTY

Aggravated assault: GUILTY

False imprisonment: GUILTY

Criminal intent to commit felony: GUILTY


William "Roddie" Bryan

Malice murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: NOT-GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Felony murder: GUILTY

Aggravated assault: NOT-GUILTY

Aggravated assaultA: GUILTY

False Imprisonment: GUILTY

Criminal intent to commit felony: GUILTY



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