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China denials over hypersonic missile

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Hypersonic speed

In aerodynamics, a hypersonic speed is one that exceeds 5 times the speed of sound, often stated as starting at speeds of Mach 5 and above.

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Zhao Lijian, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesman, said the launch was ‘a routine spacecraft test’. Photograph: Greg Baker/AFP/Getty Images
Vincent Ni, Julian Borger in Washington and agencies
Mon 18 Oct 2021 12.08 EDT

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The United States is “very concerned” about China’s development of hypersonic technology, the US disarmament ambassador, Robert Wood, has said, after reports that Beijing had recently launched a hypersonic missile with a nuclear capacity.

“We are very concerned by what China has been doing on the hypersonic front,” Robert Wood told reporters in Geneva.

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The Financial Times reported on Saturday that Beijing had launched a nuclear-capable missile in August that circled the Earth at low orbit before narrowly missing its target. Citing multiple sources, the FT claimed the hypersonic missile was carried by a Long March rocket and that the test had been kept under wraps.

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“We just don’t know how we can defend against that type of technology. Neither does China or Russia,” Wood told reporters.
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But Beijing said the report was inaccurate, and the exercise was a test of reusable technology that could reduce the cost of launching spacecraft.

“According to my understanding, this test is a routine spacecraft test, used to test a reusable spacecraft technology,” the Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian told reporters in a regular press briefing. “This could provide a convenient and cheap way for humans to use space for peaceful purposes.”
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Zhao’s comments came days after China launched a second three-person crew to staff its space station on a six-month mission. The FT report came at a sensitive time, as China’s relationship with the US continues to deteriorate, with some commentators saying recent developments were reminiscent of those during the cold war between the Soviet Union and the west in the 20th century.
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The reported launch of a hypersonic missile puzzled some observers in Washington. One US official told the FT: “We have no idea how they did this.” The FT report said Beijing’s progress in the field had “caught US intelligence by surprise”.

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Reply #1 posted 10/20/21 11:00am

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What does that even mean? So they are using a technology that they can´t even defend themselves against? I don´t get it. Is that something like a one way street ? That China has hypersonic technology but would not know how to defend its country against it if that technology was used against them?

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“We just don’t know how we can defend against that type of technology. Neither does China or Russia,” Wood told reporters.
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Reply #2 posted 10/20/21 1:20pm

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What does that even mean? So they are using a technology that they can´t even defend themselves against? I don´t get it. Is that something like a one way street ? That China has hypersonic technology but would not know how to defend its country against it if that technology was used against them?

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“We just don’t know how we can defend against that type of technology. Neither does China or Russia,” Wood told reporters.
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This is no different from the principle behind nuclear deterrence known as MAD - mutual assured destruction. All the owners of ballistic missiles have them knowing that they have little ability to defend themselves if the other country uses them. The Chinese space launched hypersonic glider failed - it missed the target by a long way, longer than existing targeting capabilities of their long range ballistic missiles. However, it succeeded in its objective of warning its enemies that it can attack in ways that cannot be defended.

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It makes sense if you are interested in first strike capability (hit them with what you cannot defend yourself from before they hit you) or warning others that you are prepared to be one to make the first strike. It is all for show because the existing nuclear re-entry warheads on the Chinese ballistic missiles are more accurate and always have been hypersonic. It is just piggy backing on the hypersonic buzz word as Russia, China and the USA develop new low level hypersonic missiles.

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IanRG said:

KoolEaze said:

What does that even mean? So they are using a technology that they can´t even defend themselves against? I don´t get it. Is that something like a one way street ? That China has hypersonic technology but would not know how to defend its country against it if that technology was used against them?

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This is no different from the principle behind nuclear deterrence known as MAD - mutual assured destruction. All the owners of ballistic missiles have them knowing that they have little ability to defend themselves if the other country uses them. The Chinese space launched hypersonic glider failed - it missed the target by a long way, longer than existing targeting capabilities of their long range ballistic missiles. However, it succeeded in its objective of warning its enemies that it can attack in ways that cannot be defended.

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It makes sense if you are interested in first strike capability (hit them with what you cannot defend yourself from before they hit you) or warning others that you are prepared to be one to make the first strike. It is all for show because the existing nuclear re-entry warheads on the Chinese ballistic missiles are more accurate and always have been hypersonic. It is just piggy backing on the hypersonic buzz word as Russia, China and the USA develop new low level hypersonic missiles.

Wow, thanks for the in-depth, yet easy to understand info. Now I understand the situation much better.

Very much appreciated!

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I really hope to live long enough to see humans land on Mars. I really hope all this is in preparation for this next great space race. I really hope this is just hype to get Americans focused on achieving something impossibly masterful. We already know the big 5, 6 or 7 countries have the fire power to destroy the world several times over. What's the point of flexing with fire power at this point?
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Reply #5 posted 10/20/21 7:42pm

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I really hope to live long enough to see humans land on Mars. I really hope all this is in preparation for this next great space race. I really hope this is just hype to get Americans focused on achieving something impossibly masterful. We already know the big 5, 6 or 7 countries have the fire power to destroy the world several times over. What's the point of flexing with fire power at this point?

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No point - So often making external threats is just to cover up internal problems and this is a key driver in China with the fall out from Covid, the financial problems in the building industry, the economic growth in China coming off its highs and Xi Jinping needing to drive a nationalist policy to deflect from his, his government's and his family's actions.

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So much for my hopes.


The United States and China are stepping up their war of words over Taiwan in a long-simmering dispute that has significant implications for the power dynamic in the Indo-Pacific and beyond.

Amid a surge in Chinese military activity near the island that China regards as a renegade province and has vowed to reclaim by force if necessary, Washington and Beijing have launched new campaigns for global support for their respective positions, each using the stern and lofty language of sovereignty and international precedent. And neither is backing down.
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Hong Kong — President Joe Biden said on Thursday that the United States would defend Taiwan if China ever attacked the democratically governed island. The White House quickly walked back his remark as analysts tried to discern whether Mr. Biden might have been signalling a change in Washington's long-held policy of "strategic ambiguity" over the role the U.S. would play in the event of a military conflict between China and Taiwan.
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The US communications regulator has voted to revoke China Telecom’s licence in America over national security concerns in the latest pushback by Washington against what it deems possible infiltration of key networks by Chinese companies.



Taiwan, which China regards as a province, is being courted for its capacity to make leading-edge computer chips. That’s mostly down to Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., the world’s largest foundry and go-to producer of chips for Apple Inc. smartphones, artificial intelligence and high-performance computing.
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Chinese tech stocks slumped as the U.S. added to its moves to restrict the nation’s companies with a ban on China Telecom (Americas) Corp.

Though the firm doesn’t do a lot of business in the U.S., being barred from the market is significant coming on the heels of the moves against other giants of China’s burgeoning tech industry, including Huawei Technologies Co.

Huawei’s smartphone sales have collapsed outside of China, hurt by a U.S. export ban that prevents new Huawei phones from carrying the Google Play store or popular Android apps.

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China says Taiwan ‘has no right’ to join UN, after US nod
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken had previously called for Taiwan’s ‘meaningful participation’ at the organisation.

In recent months, Beijing has regularly set records for the number of fighter jets it has flown near Taiwan, which it has called a warning to the government in Taipei.
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China hypersonic test 'very concerning' says US general Mark Milley

By Oren Liebermann and Ellie Kaufman, CNN 5 hrs ago
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The top US general said China's test of a hypersonic weapon over the summer was "very concerning" and that "it has all of our attention."

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Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, speaking to Bloomberg Television, stopped short of calling the test a "Sputnik moment" but he did acknowledge "it's very close to that." He called the test of the weapon "a very significant technological event" that is just one element of China's military capabilities.

It was the first official acknowledgment of the test from the Pentagon, which has so far declined to comment.

"The Chinese military capabilities are much greater than that" single test, Milley said. "They're expanding rapidly in space, in cyber and then in the traditional domains of land, sea and air."

"China is very significant on our horizon," Milley added.

Earlier this month, the Financial Times reported about a Chinese test of a hypersonic glide vehicle launched from a rocket in low-Earth orbit that could theoretically be capable of evading US missile defense systems. The speed with which the Chinese developed the system surprised US national security officials.

When asked about the Financial Times report, China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson Zhao Lijian said the August test was "a spacecraft, not a missile." ...

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I don't know if I didn't tie the 2.

https://www.usnews.com/ne...ssile-test
China Sets Sights on Taiwan With New Hypersonic Missile Test

The game-changing technology that reportedly caught the U.S. by surprise is not designed to spark a global arms race, Chinese insiders say, rather to retake what Beijing considers its own.

China is signaling that a stunning new missile test that reportedly surprised U.S. intelligence officials was not designed to accelerate an arms race with the West but rather to grant Beijing a strategic advantage to seize control of the Taiwan Straits and other hotly contested territory in its region.


Here I am hoping for a new space race. Silly me.
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National pride is at stake.' Russia, China, United States race to build hypersonic weapons
Despite hype and technological hurdles, a hypersonic arms race is accelerating
8 JAN 2020BYRICHARD STONE

Since the dawn of the Cold War, the Pentagon has periodically thrown its weight behind the development of maneuverable hypersonic weapons, only to shy away when technological hurdles such as propulsion, control, and heat resistance proved daunting. "You see a flurry of activity, a lot of investment, and then we conclude it's a bridge too far,"


Now, DOD is leading a new charge, pouring more than $1 billion annually into hypersonic research. Competition from ambitious programs in China and Russia is a key motivator.

The United States, meanwhile, is testing several hypersonic weapons. "It's a race to the Moon sort of thing," says Iain Boyd, an aerospace engineer at the University of Colorado, Boulder.


China's military, in contrast, sees hypersonic weapons (as well as cyberwarfare and electromagnetic pulse strikes) as an "assassin's mace": a folklore term for a weapon that gives an advantage against a better-armed foe,


The United States has not yet fielded either. After decades of fits and starts, any advantage that U.S. hypersonic R&D once held has largely eroded away. Its wind tunnels and other testing infrastructure are aging. And challenges such as tweaking designs to ensure engine walls don't melt have slowed progress on scramjets, Lewis says. "Today we are further away from routine scramjet flight than we were 10 years


Russian boasts along with Chinese advances have sounded the alarm in the United States. Congress will pour more than $1 billion into military hypersonic research this year and has created a new university consortium to do basic studies.


Arms control treaties, however, are hardly in vogue these days. And with China, Russia, and the United States egging each other on with one high-profile test after another, the hypersonic arms race seems likely to accelerate.

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Noam Chomsky: if we have a war with China we are done.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #14 posted 10/28/21 1:36pm

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Noam Chomsky: if we have a war with China we are done.

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as is China.

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So much is going on.


Taiwan has purchased 66 new F-16Vs from the U.S., and delivery is expected to start in 2023. However, due to the increasingly urgent security situation, Taiwan has asked the U.S. to deliver the F-16Vs earlier, starting in 2022, according to the CNN.

Aside from the brand-new 66 new F-16Vs Taiwan bought from the U.S., Taiwan's Air Force also launched a program in 2016 to retrofit all of its 141 F-16 A/Bs into F-16Vs with more advanced avionics including APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar, a Helmet Mounted Cueing System, and other flight management and electronic warfare systems.

A military source familiar with the matter told CNA last month that the Air Force has already successfully upgraded at least 42 of the 141 F-16 A/B jet fighters to the new F-16V standards.

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In 2019, Gen. Paul Selva, then vice chief of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, described the problem thus:

“If you’re going Mach 13 at the very northern edge of Hudson Bay, you have enough residual velocity to hit all 48 of the continental United States and all of Alaska. You can choose [to] point it left or right, and hit Maine or Alaska, or you can hit San Diego or Key West. That’s a monstrous problem.”

Rep. Jason Crow, D-Colo., said that the test “underscored the important decision President Biden made to end our combat operations in Afghanistan, because we can’t do everything. We have limited resources. We have extraordinary threats, and it’s our job to decide how we’re going to allocate those very limited resources to the biggest and the growing and the most evolving threats. That’s what we’re working to do.”
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October 30,2021
ROME — Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi warned the U.S. and its allies not to “interfere” in Taiwan affairs, according to a press release issued hours before he joined the G20 leaders’ summit in Rome.

“Recently, the U.S. and other countries attempted to achieve breakthroughs on the issue of Taiwan, which is in contravention of the political guarantees they made when they established diplomatic relations with [the People’s Republic of] China,” Wang said.

“If they couldn’t stop the One China principle 50 years ago, it’s even more impossible in today’s world in the 21st century,” Wang added. “If they forge ahead regardless, they will definitely pay a price accordingly.”


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In an article earlier this month, Massimo quoted a Vatican diplomat as saying that China had demanded the Holy See cut diplomatic ties with Taiwan but the Vatican instead requested an embassy be set up in Beijing before it would begin reviewing its ties with Taipei.

Historically, the Vatican has always been ready to switch diplomatic ties from Taipei to Beijing. If anything, the latest gesture only suggested a toughened stance,” Lam said.
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Missile tests by Russia and China should be 'wake-up call' for Biden, experts say

Mike Brest

Both China and Russia have launched missile tests that had previously been believed to be beyond their capabilities, leaving the Biden administration to figure out how to respond.

China tested “a nuclear-capable hypersonic missile” that “circled the globe before speeding toward its target” over the summer, according to reports, while just days ago Russia launched a missile that intentionally destroyed a satellite scattering more than a thousand pieces of debris across space.

Both tests were the first of their kind for each country, though neither was exactly new technology altogether. In China's case, hypersonic missile technology dates back decades, but the new developments make tracing and intercepting them much more difficult, while Russia's test, which was a repeat of a Chinese operation in 2007, was the first time the country had demonstrated the ability to strike a satellite using an Earth-based missile, according to the Washington Post.

“The abandonment of a credible deterrent in the United States is itself expanding the realm of possibility,” national security and foreign policy expert Jason Killmeyer told the Washington Examiner in an interview.

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China's space weapons could be used to launch a SURPRISE attack on US

Shannon Thaler For Dailymail.Com

China's hypersonic space weapons could be used to launch a surprise attack on the US, said vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General John Hyten, who also admitted that Beijing has more advanced hypersonic technology.

Hyten, the second-highest ranking military officer in the US, revealed that during last summer's hypersonic weapons test, China sent a missile around the world at more than five times the speed of sound, as reported by CBS News.

Hyten told the news station: 'They launched a long-range missile. It went around the world, dropped off a hypersonic glide vehicle that glided all the way back to China, that impacted a target in China'.

He added that also got 'close enough' to hitting its intended target, a feat he likened to 'a Sputnik moment,' when Russia launched the first manmade satellite into orbit in 1957, catching America by surprise and putting them at the forefront of the space race.

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China Sends Bomber Planes to Indian Border in 'Warning' to Country

Thomas Kika

The Chinese military has deployed long-range bomber planes to its border with India in a move to deter conflict between the two nations.

During the celebration of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force's 72nd anniversary last Thursday, state-run news channel China Central Television (CCTV) reportedly aired footage of H-6K bombers flying near the Himalayas. While typically based closer to Beijing, the jets were moved to Xinjiang province sometime last year, close to a region contested by China and India, the South China Morning Post reported.

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