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Seattle school cancels Halloween parade...

because it 'marginalizes students of color'

Jessica Chasmar



LOL DAMN, really? I thought it might be more from 'religious' reasons. I knew a lot of white kids who did not participate in Halloween. Seattle lol the CHOP

Seattle school cancels Ha... (msn.com)

Instead, students this year will partake in inclusive fall events, like "thematic units of study about the fall" and reviewing "autumnal artwork," according to the newsletter obtained by Rantz.



David Malkin, whose 7-year-old son attends B.F. Day, called the decision an "exercise in affluent White vanity that is wokeism."



"I don't see any way in which this actually addresses any inequities to the extent that there are any inequities," Malkin told Rantz on his show Monday. "You know, this just seems like grandstanding on behalf of the principal and the staff who are predominantly White."



Malkin, who is Asian, said parents weren't involved in the decision.

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May be an image of 2 people and text that says 'Kids dressed for Halloween on a school bus, 1980s. ၁0 00'

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EVIL LIBERALS RUIN EVERYTHING!
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This is nothing new.

The halloween parties turned into fall parties.

Christmas parties turned into winter parties.

Easter parties turned into spring parties.

It's been that way here in KC for 20+ years.

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PennyPurple said:

This is nothing new.


The halloween parties turned into fall parties.


Christmas parties turned into winter parties.


Easter parties turned into spring parties.


It's been that way here in KC for 20+ years.


True. Our whole Christmas on the Prado was changed to December Lights years ago. This stuff been going on for a long while now.
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onlyforaminute said:

PennyPurple said:

This is nothing new.

The halloween parties turned into fall parties.

Christmas parties turned into winter parties.

Easter parties turned into spring parties.

It's been that way here in KC for 20+ years.

True. Our whole Christmas on the Prado was changed to December Lights years ago. This stuff been going on for a long while now.

of course this stuff happens, but is this really

because it 'marginalizes students of color'?

hmmm what colors

[Edited 10/18/21 12:09pm]

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Reply #6 posted 10/18/21 11:33am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

onlyforaminute said:

PennyPurple said: True. Our whole Christmas on the Prado was changed to December Lights years ago. This stuff been going on for a long while now.

of course this stuff happens, but is this really

because it 'marginalizes students of color'?

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From te article:

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School principal Stanley Jaskot confirmed that the parade was cancelled.

"Halloween is a very complex issue for schools. Yes, I agree this event marginalized our students of color. Several of our students historically opted for an alternate activity in the library while the pumpkin parade took place. This was an isolating situation and not consistent with our values of being an inclusive and safe place for all our students – especially students of color and those with a sensitivity to all the noise and excitement of the parade,"

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IanRG said:



OldFriends4Sale said:




onlyforaminute said:


PennyPurple said: True. Our whole Christmas on the Prado was changed to December Lights years ago. This stuff been going on for a long while now.


of course this stuff happens, but is this really


because it 'marginalizes students of color'?



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From te article:


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School principal Stanley Jaskot confirmed that the parade was cancelled.


"Halloween is a very complex issue for schools. Yes, I agree this event marginalized our students of color. Several of our students historically opted for an alternate activity in the library while the pumpkin parade took place. This was an isolating situation and not consistent with our values of being an inclusive and safe place for all our students – especially students of color and those with a sensitivity to all the noise and excitement of the parade,"




Surely it's just a little fun for the kids, dress up and enjoy themselves. But its nice the kids who didn't want to take part can do another activity in the library, hopefully a really fun one. Loved the school bus photo cool
[Edited 10/19/21 6:11am]
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IanRG said:



OldFriends4Sale said:




onlyforaminute said:


PennyPurple said: True. Our whole Christmas on the Prado was changed to December Lights years ago. This stuff been going on for a long while now.


of course this stuff happens, but is this really


because it 'marginalizes students of color'?



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From te article:


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School principal Stanley Jaskot confirmed that the parade was cancelled.


"Halloween is a very complex issue for schools. Yes, I agree this event marginalized our students of color. Several of our students historically opted for an alternate activity in the library while the pumpkin parade took place. This was an isolating situation and not consistent with our values of being an inclusive and safe place for all our students – especially students of color and those with a sensitivity to all the noise and excitement of the parade,"



An inclusive and safe space... barf So even a pumpkin is scary now?
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger tool than I am.
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OldFriends4Sale said:



onlyforaminute said:


PennyPurple said:

This is nothing new.


The halloween parties turned into fall parties.


Christmas parties turned into winter parties.


Easter parties turned into spring parties.


It's been that way here in KC for 20+ years.



True. Our whole Christmas on the Prado was changed to December Lights years ago. This stuff been going on for a long while now.


of course this stuff happens, but is this really


because it 'marginalizes students of color'?



hmmm what colors

[Edited 10/18/21 12:09pm]



It's still about inclusion and the fact that not everyone is into the same things, is it not?
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


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Reply #10 posted 10/19/21 1:09pm

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coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

IanRG said:

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From te article:

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School principal Stanley Jaskot confirmed that the parade was cancelled.

"Halloween is a very complex issue for schools. Yes, I agree this event marginalized our students of color. Several of our students historically opted for an alternate activity in the library while the pumpkin parade took place. This was an isolating situation and not consistent with our values of being an inclusive and safe place for all our students – especially students of color and those with a sensitivity to all the noise and excitement of the parade,"

Surely it's just a little fun for the kids, dress up and enjoy themselves. But its nice the kids who didn't want to take part can do another activity in the library, hopefully a really fun one. Loved the school bus photo cool [Edited 10/19/21 6:11am]

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The article does not go into details as why it is not a school event that all the kids participate in or why there has historically been a group of people that have opted for an alternative event - Addressing this by creating a fun school event for all is surely a better solution?

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onlyforaminute said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

of course this stuff happens, but is this really

because it 'marginalizes students of color'?

hmmm what colors

[Edited 10/18/21 12:09pm]

It's still about inclusion and the fact that not everyone is into the same things, is it not?

well that can be said about ALOT of things

A lot of students aren't into Homecoming parades and events or prom

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OldFriends4Sale said:

onlyforaminute said:

OldFriends4Sale said: It's still about inclusion and the fact that not everyone is into the same things, is it not?

well that can be said about ALOT of things

A lot of students aren't into Homecoming parades and events or prom

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But clear difference here is that homecoming and prom are specifically school based events. Halloween is not. The article addresses this: "There are numerous community and neighborhood events where students and families who wish to can celebrate Halloween."

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What is missing from this article is any analysis of why there is a history of needing to provide an alternate event for "students of color".

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OldFriends4Sale said:



onlyforaminute said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



of course this stuff happens, but is this really


because it 'marginalizes students of color'?



hmmm what colors


[Edited 10/18/21 12:09pm]



It's still about inclusion and the fact that not everyone is into the same things, is it not?


well that can be said about ALOT of things



A lot of students aren't into Homecoming parades and events or prom


That'll be next.
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


This moment is all there is...
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onlyforaminute said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

well that can be said about ALOT of things

A lot of students aren't into Homecoming parades and events or prom

That'll be next.

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And if it is replaced by something better, who cares?

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IanRG said:



onlyforaminute said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



well that can be said about ALOT of things



A lot of students aren't into Homecoming parades and events or prom



That'll be next.

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And if it is replaced by something better, who cares?


Life is change.
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


This moment is all there is...
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onlyforaminute said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

well that can be said about ALOT of things

A lot of students aren't into Homecoming parades and events or prom

That'll be next.

there are things I never took part in and I never felt 'excluded'. You just did something else. And didn't care. As I asked earlier I would think that it would be more for 'religious' reasons, not racial. 40+ yrs on this earth and I have never heard a Black person take issue with Halloween.

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Like David Malkin(Asian), said whose 7-year-old son attends B.F. Day, called the decision an "exercise in affluent White vanity that is wokeism." "I'm sure they don't want to hear from anyone of any race or ethnicity that doesn't really want to go along with them in lockstep," he said.

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It just comes across another 'pity' the minorities, let's think for them and make their lives better, move. I mean I don't take part in Halloween events and I don't need a replacement. I know of churches that did this. Hallelujah Night. I told this one lady. Why are you doing a replacement for something you don't agree with? It's basically the same thing. And most of those parents that don't care about what any of it means will come to your 'Hallelujah Night' get the goods and still go to the Halloween party or trick or treating.

I assume a Halloween Parade is supposed to be a fun, 'let your hair down' event. What kids want to suppliment it with 'educational opportunities'?

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"In alliance with SPS’s unwavering commitment to students of color, specifically African American males, the staff is committed to supplanting the Pumpkin Parade with more inclusive and educational opportunities during the school day,"

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OldFriends4Sale said:

onlyforaminute said:

OldFriends4Sale said: That'll be next.

there are things I never took part in and I never felt 'excluded'. You just did something else. And didn't care. As I asked earlier I would think that it would be more for 'religious' reasons, not racial. 40+ yrs on this earth and I have never heard a Black person take issue with Halloween.

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Like David Malkin(Asian), said whose 7-year-old son attends B.F. Day, called the decision an "exercise in affluent White vanity that is wokeism." "I'm sure they don't want to hear from anyone of any race or ethnicity that doesn't really want to go along with them in lockstep," he said.

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It just comes across another 'pity' the minorities, let's think for them and make their lives better, move. I mean I don't take part in Halloween events and I don't need a replacement. I know of churches that did this. Hallelujah Night. I told this one lady. Why are you doing a replacement for something you don't agree with? It's basically the same thing. And most of those parents that don't care about what any of it means will come to your 'Hallelujah Night' get the goods and still go to the Halloween party or trick or treating.

I assume a Halloween Parade is supposed to be a fun, 'let your hair down' event. What kids want to suppliment it with 'educational opportunities'?

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"In alliance with SPS’s unwavering commitment to students of color, specifically African American males, the staff is committed to supplanting the Pumpkin Parade with more inclusive and educational opportunities during the school day,"

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How does it come across of as 'pity' the minorities move if people from that minority have been asking for this for 5 years through the school's racail equity team. and they have had an alternative "event" that was nothing more than free time in the library for longer than this?

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The article that your article links to makes it clear that it is the minority group that was asking for this change: “At B.F. Day Elementary, there have been discussions about the school’s Pumpkin Parade every year for at least the past five years. The school Racial Equity Team brought the topic up again in September and the members (with staff input) made the recommendation listed in the newsletter post,” the spokesperson told the Jason Rantz Show on KTTH."

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OldFriends4Sale said:



onlyforaminute said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



well that can be said about ALOT of things



A lot of students aren't into Homecoming parades and events or prom



That'll be next.


there are things I never took part in and I never felt 'excluded'. You just did something else. And didn't care. As I asked earlier I would think that it would be more for 'religious' reasons, not racial. 40+ yrs on this earth and I have never heard a Black person take issue with Halloween.



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Like David Malkin(Asian), said whose 7-year-old son attends B.F. Day, called the decision an "exercise in affluent White vanity that is wokeism." "I'm sure they don't want to hear from anyone of any race or ethnicity that doesn't really want to go along with them in lockstep," he said.


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It just comes across another 'pity' the minorities, let's think for them and make their lives better, move. I mean I don't take part in Halloween events and I don't need a replacement. I know of churches that did this. Hallelujah Night. I told this one lady. Why are you doing a replacement for something you don't agree with? It's basically the same thing. And most of those parents that don't care about what any of it means will come to your 'Hallelujah Night' get the goods and still go to the Halloween party or trick or treating.

I assume a Halloween Parade is supposed to be a fun, 'let your hair down' event. What kids want to suppliment it with 'educational opportunities'?


.



"In alliance with SPS’s unwavering commitment to students of color, specifically African American males, the staff is committed to supplanting the Pumpkin Parade with more inclusive and educational opportunities during the school day,"




🐣 25+ Best Memes About Hallelujah Night | Hallelujah Night Memes





It funny. I guess it depends on the home. We went trick or treating, in full costume, to the houses of the people we went to church with. Lots of candy. Never had a Hallelujah Night. Then things started getting more complicated and politicized. The list is literally endless with things to be pissed off about. Like all I care about are the school's testing scores, that what the school is for.
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IanRG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

there are things I never took part in and I never felt 'excluded'. You just did something else. And didn't care. As I asked earlier I would think that it would be more for 'religious' reasons, not racial. 40+ yrs on this earth and I have never heard a Black person take issue with Halloween.

.

Like David Malkin(Asian), said whose 7-year-old son attends B.F. Day, called the decision an "exercise in affluent White vanity that is wokeism." "I'm sure they don't want to hear from anyone of any race or ethnicity that doesn't really want to go along with them in lockstep," he said.

.

It just comes across another 'pity' the minorities, let's think for them and make their lives better, move. I mean I don't take part in Halloween events and I don't need a replacement. I know of churches that did this. Hallelujah Night. I told this one lady. Why are you doing a replacement for something you don't agree with? It's basically the same thing. And most of those parents that don't care about what any of it means will come to your 'Hallelujah Night' get the goods and still go to the Halloween party or trick or treating.

I assume a Halloween Parade is supposed to be a fun, 'let your hair down' event. What kids want to suppliment it with 'educational opportunities'?

.

"In alliance with SPS’s unwavering commitment to students of color, specifically African American males, the staff is committed to supplanting the Pumpkin Parade with more inclusive and educational opportunities during the school day,"

.

How does it come across of as 'pity' the minorities move if people from that minority have been asking for this for 5 years through the school's racail equity team. and they have had an alternative "event" that was nothing more than free time in the library for longer than this?

.

The article that your article links to makes it clear that it is the minority group that was asking for this change: “At B.F. Day Elementary, there have been discussions about the school’s Pumpkin Parade every year for at least the past five years. The school Racial Equity Team brought the topic up again in September and the members (with staff input) made the recommendation listed in the newsletter post,” the spokesperson told the Jason Rantz Show on KTTH."

being a mixed race man, it is something that you hear(or I should say I've heard) my whole life to varying degrees. From people who don't know you but assume they have to pity you, because of all the things they've been told. But have no weight on my reality.

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I've always known people who did not take part in Halloween events, it was usually religious and the ethnicity included people of European ancestry

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It's is a 'pity'. Just like with comments about the voter ID concerning black folk. Oh they don't have them, it's harder for them to get them, they don't have enough minutes on their phones, they cannot get to a place to get an id, many have criminal records etc etc.

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It's a pity based on a stereotype or assumption, because most of them don't know black people, therefore let's 'help' them.

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1998 out n about I run into a DJ aquaintence 'white' we are talking, somehow we get to a subject where he says 'concerning black people' When I see them, sometimes I just want to help them...' eek while he is homeless because his girlfriend put him out. He ends up finding a place to stay, with another DJ who is Black and owns his own club...

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The man who spoke against it, was Asian, and it seems parents were not included in the discussion


"I'm sure they don't want to hear from anyone of any race or ethnicity that doesn't really want to go along with them in lockstep," he said.

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1 question : why specifically African American Males? why would AA males be singled out as having an issue.

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2 what other ethnic groups, where included in this 'Historic'

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3 I still suspect it is more 'religious' than racial

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4 having gone to school with a wide variety of ethnicities and knowing lots of African Americans, I've never heard this issue before outside of more recent 'religious' cases

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5 This statement just reads suspect. So this area that they say has a 'minority' population that has historicaly marginalized students of color with the Pumpkin Parade. And they, historically, have requested to be isolated on campus while it too place...

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6. I wish they would have explained more to this, because this just doesn't seem rational, unless it is religious. Pentecostal, Jehovahs Witness, Jewish and a few others I knew to not celebrate that holiday

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"Historically, the Pumpkin Parade marginalizes students of color who do not celebrate the holiday. Specifically, these students have requested to be isolated on campus while the event took place.

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IanRG said:



onlyforaminute said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



well that can be said about ALOT of things



A lot of students aren't into Homecoming parades and events or prom



That'll be next.

.


And if it is replaced by something better, who cares?


Like what? Do you have any ideas? No matter what it is that you come up with, there will always be somebody who doesn't like it. And that's nothing to worry about. If you like the prom or Halloween, you join, if you don't, you don't. It really is as simple as that.
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger tool than I am.
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Reply #22 posted 10/21/21 12:04pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

IanRG said:

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How does it come across of as 'pity' the minorities move if people from that minority have been asking for this for 5 years through the school's racail equity team. and they have had an alternative "event" that was nothing more than free time in the library for longer than this?

.

The article that your article links to makes it clear that it is the minority group that was asking for this change: “At B.F. Day Elementary, there have been discussions about the school’s Pumpkin Parade every year for at least the past five years. The school Racial Equity Team brought the topic up again in September and the members (with staff input) made the recommendation listed in the newsletter post,” the spokesperson told the Jason Rantz Show on KTTH."

being a mixed race man, it is something that you hear(or I should say I've heard) my whole life to varying degrees. From people who don't know you but assume they have to pity you, because of all the things they've been told. But have no weight on my reality.

.

I've always known people who did not take part in Halloween events, it was usually religious and the ethnicity included people of European ancestry

.

It's is a 'pity'. Just like with comments about the voter ID concerning black folk. Oh they don't have them, it's harder for them to get them, they don't have enough minutes on their phones, they cannot get to a place to get an id, many have criminal records etc etc.

.

It's a pity based on a stereotype or assumption, because most of them don't know black people, therefore let's 'help' them.

.

1998 out n about I run into a DJ aquaintence 'white' we are talking, somehow we get to a subject where he says 'concerning black people' When I see them, sometimes I just want to help them...' eek while he is homeless because his girlfriend put him out. He ends up finding a place to stay, with another DJ who is Black and owns his own club...

..

The man who spoke against it, was Asian, and it seems parents were not included in the discussion


"I'm sure they don't want to hear from anyone of any race or ethnicity that doesn't really want to go along with them in lockstep," he said.

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1 question : why specifically African American Males? why would AA males be singled out as having an issue.

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2 what other ethnic groups, where included in this 'Historic'

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3 I still suspect it is more 'religious' than racial

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4 having gone to school with a wide variety of ethnicities and knowing lots of African Americans, I've never heard this issue before outside of more recent 'religious' cases

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5 This statement just reads suspect. So this area that they say has a 'minority' population that has historicaly marginalized students of color with the Pumpkin Parade. And they, historically, have requested to be isolated on campus while it too place...

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6. I wish they would have explained more to this, because this just doesn't seem rational, unless it is religious. Pentecostal, Jehovahs Witness, Jewish and a few others I knew to not celebrate that holiday

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"Historically, the Pumpkin Parade marginalizes students of color who do not celebrate the holiday. Specifically, these students have requested to be isolated on campus while the event took place.

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This does not answer why you think this is other people taking pity on those primarily Black males who have historically chosen to not participate and instead sit in the library. What we know is that the decision was made following at least 5 years of the racial equity team asking for this and has the support of the teachers. This is nothing like voter ID - they knew specifically who has been historically ostracized to the library

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You have no idea who is on the racial equity team - It should include "people of color". This was a Fox news article and it is doing the rounds of the far-right media so if this team was just made up of white liberals pitying the poor Black man, they would have jumped on this - but all they could find was an Asian father prepared to whinge on a radio show. So I assume that the Racial Equity Team includes people of color and it has the support of the people of color in this school because not one has found people of color from that school's community who are complaining about being pitied by this decision. If it is because in the School's catchment area there is a local Black community with a particular religious view or a view based on some prior event in the area, so what? Not all people of the same race are required to think the same way.

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Which leaves me with the same comment - it does not prevent anyone from choosing to get involved with halloween, it is a non-curricular fun event with a history of marginalising people by race and it is being replaced by something better.

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Reply #23 posted 10/21/21 12:23pm

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SantanaMaitreya said:

IanRG said:

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And if it is replaced by something better, who cares?

Like what? Do you have any ideas? No matter what it is that you come up with, there will always be somebody who doesn't like it. And that's nothing to worry about. If you like the prom or Halloween, you join, if you don't, you don't. It really is as simple as that.

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It is not me choosing or planning anything. It is in a local school in a place neither you nor I have anything to do with. I have never heard of school parades for halloween being a thing where I live. I do know that schools frequently cycle over different types of fun activities and they try to make them fun for all without excluding a known identifiable group (eg Black males) and they know things change over time. I know that parents do have the opportunity to be involved with schools formally and informally but most choose to not be involved. I suspect the father who complained is not otherwise involved with the school.

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It is not about halloween, it is about a school parade - a fun event. It is up to the school to constantly find the best ways to involve and engage its students. What works in one school, state or country will not necessarily work in another. What worked when you were a kid will not necessarily work for your children. What they choose as a replacement may be found to not be as good, so they may return to the parade, so what? That is up to the school and its community.

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being a mixed race man, it is something that you hear(or I should say I've heard) my whole life to varying degrees. From people who don't know you but assume they have to pity you, because of all the things they've been told. But have no weight on my reality.

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I've always known people who did not take part in Halloween events, it was usually religious and the ethnicity included people of European ancestry

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It's is a 'pity'. Just like with comments about the voter ID concerning black folk. Oh they don't have them, it's harder for them to get them, they don't have enough minutes on their phones, they cannot get to a place to get an id, many have criminal records etc etc.

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It's a pity based on a stereotype or assumption, because most of them don't know black people, therefore let's 'help' them.

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1998 out n about I run into a DJ aquaintence 'white' we are talking, somehow we get to a subject where he says 'concerning black people' When I see them, sometimes I just want to help them...' eek while he is homeless because his girlfriend put him out. He ends up finding a place to stay, with another DJ who is Black and owns his own club...

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The man who spoke against it, was Asian, and it seems parents were not included in the discussion


"I'm sure they don't want to hear from anyone of any race or ethnicity that doesn't really want to go along with them in lockstep," he said.

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1 question : why specifically African American Males? why would AA males be singled out as having an issue.

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2 what other ethnic groups, where included in this 'Historic'

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3 I still suspect it is more 'religious' than racial

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4 having gone to school with a wide variety of ethnicities and knowing lots of African Americans, I've never heard this issue before outside of more recent 'religious' cases

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5 This statement just reads suspect. So this area that they say has a 'minority' population that has historicaly marginalized students of color with the Pumpkin Parade. And they, historically, have requested to be isolated on campus while it too place...

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6. I wish they would have explained more to this, because this just doesn't seem rational, unless it is religious. Pentecostal, Jehovahs Witness, Jewish and a few others I knew to not celebrate that holiday

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"Historically, the Pumpkin Parade marginalizes students of color who do not celebrate the holiday. Specifically, these students have requested to be isolated on campus while the event took place.

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This does not answer why you think this is other people taking pity on those primarily Black males who have historically chosen to not participate and instead sit in the library. What we know is that the decision was made following at least 5 years of the racial equity team asking for this and has the support of the teachers. This is nothing like voter ID - they knew specifically who has been historically ostracized to the library

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You have no idea who is on the racial equity team - It should include "people of color". This was a Fox news article and it is doing the rounds of the far-right media so if this team was just made up of white liberals pitying the poor Black man, they would have jumped on this - but all they could find was an Asian father prepared to whinge on a radio show. So I assume that the Racial Equity Team includes people of color and it has the support of the people of color in this school because not one has found people of color from that school's community who are complaining about being pitied by this decision. If it is because in the School's catchment area there is a local Black community with a particular religious view or a view based on some prior event in the area, so what? Not all people of the same race are required to think the same way.

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Which leaves me with the same comment - it does not prevent anyone from choosing to get involved with halloween, it is a non-curricular fun event with a history of marginalising people by race and it is being replaced by something better.

I explained why I think this is take pity on them .. Even the Asian man called it "exercise in affluent White vanity that is wokeism."

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It is like the voter ID issues because it too was directed at AA's. And why African American Males in particular. AA Females don't have as much an issue with the Pumpkin Parade.

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"You know, this just seems like grandstanding on behalf of the principal and the staff who are predominantly White."

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Don't do the Ad Hominem thing. This issue is still what it is, and is posted on various social media sites.

Generalizing views of a political party as an insulting argument to an individual who is a member of a different party - "Well, it's pretty obvious that your political party doesn't know how to be fiscally responsible, so I wouldn't expect you to be either."

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and from (this other site[not Fox]) it seems for 5yrs there was just discussion on it, the RET seems more recent : “For at least five years, there has been discussion about the parade, and the school’s Race and Equity Team took on the issue again last month,” the outlet reported.

Seattle school cancels Ha...onews.com)

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and from another site(not Fox) Seattle School Cancels Ha...News | BET

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It would have been better if the school explained what those issues are.

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Again being part Black and knowing and being related to Black folk and talking to other black and mixed folk and latinos about this, not one person has ever had issues with Halloween based on race. Religious reason, yes.

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Malkin, who is Asian, said parents weren't involved in the decision.

"I'm sure they don't want to hear from anyone of any race or ethnicity that doesn't really want to go along with them in lockstep," he said.

Seattle school cancels Ha... (msn.com)

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Seattle school cancels Halloween parade citing equity issues


Seattle school cancels Ha...onews.com)

In an Oct. 8 newsletter, the school reportedly said the following to help explain its reasoning to parents:

Halloween events create a situation where some students must be excluded for their beliefs, financial status, or life experience. Costume parties often become an uncomfortable event for many children, and they distract students and staff from learning. Large events create changes in schedules with loud noise levels and crowds. Some students experience over stimulation, while others must deal with complex feelings of exclusion. It’s uncomfortable and upsetting for kids.

The Times said school district officials indicated they had not received any complaints from parents of B.F. Day students but added in their emailed statement that “Holding Halloween celebrations are becoming less common in schools both within SPS and in surrounding districts.”

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Seattle School Board member Lisa Rivera-Smith also said that she had not received any complaints from her constituents about the event and was unaware of the inclusion issues cited by district officials. But Rivera-Smith did note that she recognized there could be problems for students who can’t afford costumes, something she said that “could be divisive.” Rivera-Smith added that she thought the school was being responsive and not reactionary.

A minority individual whose child goes to B.F. Day reportedly described the school’s move as an “exercise in affluent white vanity that is wokeism,” according to a talk radio station in Seattle.

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why decline to answer questions

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Seattle school cancels Halloween parade over equity issues

School district officials and Principal Stanley Jaskot declined to answer questions from the newspaper about the cancellation.

Seattle school cancels Ha...ws Seattle

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BET (not Fox) Seattle School Cancels Ha...News | BET

School district officials stated that the pandemic did not play a role in their decision, and they received no complaints from parents about the costumed Pumpkin Parade at B.F. Day Elementary School.

...and those with a sensitivity to all the noise and excitement of the parade."

KOMO said this statement in the school’s Oct. 8 newsletter offers insight about what’s behind the decision:

“Halloween events create a situation where some students must be excluded for their beliefs, financial status, or life experience. Costume parties often become an uncomfortable event for many children, and they distract students and staff from learning. Large events create changes in schedules with loud noise levels and crowds. Some students experience over stimulation, while others must deal with complex feelings of exclusion. It’s uncomfortable and upsetting for kids.”

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According to the Times, B.F. Day Elementary School, located in the city’s Fremont neighborhood, is majority White, with a student population that is 63 percent White, 16 percent mixed race, 8 percent Latino, 7 percent Asian, and 6 percent Black.

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Sounds like there's a variety of issues happening that cover a wider range of student outside of pitying the poor underprivlegded black kids. We tend to react faster than listening.
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This does not answer why you think this is other people taking pity on those primarily Black males who have historically chosen to not participate and instead sit in the library. What we know is that the decision was made following at least 5 years of the racial equity team asking for this and has the support of the teachers. This is nothing like voter ID - they knew specifically who has been historically ostracized to the library

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You have no idea who is on the racial equity team - It should include "people of color". This was a Fox news article and it is doing the rounds of the far-right media so if this team was just made up of white liberals pitying the poor Black man, they would have jumped on this - but all they could find was an Asian father prepared to whinge on a radio show. So I assume that the Racial Equity Team includes people of color and it has the support of the people of color in this school because not one has found people of color from that school's community who are complaining about being pitied by this decision. If it is because in the School's catchment area there is a local Black community with a particular religious view or a view based on some prior event in the area, so what? Not all people of the same race are required to think the same way.

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Which leaves me with the same comment - it does not prevent anyone from choosing to get involved with halloween, it is a non-curricular fun event with a history of marginalising people by race and it is being replaced by something better.

I explained why I think this is take pity on them .. Even the Asian man called it "exercise in affluent White vanity that is wokeism."

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It is like the voter ID issues because it too was directed at AA's. And why African American Males in particular. AA Females don't have as much an issue with the Pumpkin Parade.

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"You know, this just seems like grandstanding on behalf of the principal and the staff who are predominantly White."

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Don't do the Ad Hominem thing. This issue is still what it is, and is posted on various social media sites.

Generalizing views of a political party as an insulting argument to an individual who is a member of a different party - "Well, it's pretty obvious that your political party doesn't know how to be fiscally responsible, so I wouldn't expect you to be either."

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and from (this other site[not Fox]) it seems for 5yrs there was just discussion on it, the RET seems more recent : “For at least five years, there has been discussion about the parade, and the school’s Race and Equity Team took on the issue again last month,” the outlet reported.

Seattle school cancels Ha...onews.com)

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and from another site(not Fox) Seattle School Cancels Ha...News | BET

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It would have been better if the school explained what those issues are.

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Again being part Black and knowing and being related to Black folk and talking to other black and mixed folk and latinos about this, not one person has ever had issues with Halloween based on race. Religious reason, yes.

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Malkin, who is Asian, said parents weren't involved in the decision.

"I'm sure they don't want to hear from anyone of any race or ethnicity that doesn't really want to go along with them in lockstep," he said.

Seattle school cancels Ha... (msn.com)

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And I explained why you don't know it is white or woke people taking pity on the Black males who have historically chosen to not participate. You still don't know what the make up of the Racial Equity Team is. We still don't know why there is a group of people in the school who are mainly Black males that have historical have always chosen to exclude themselves from this parade.

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You biggest argument is based on comments of one person, David Malkin and his race.

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There is absolutely no ad hominem thing by mentioning that this is doing the rounds of far right media and socials - it is, this is a fact. That is has also been picked up by BET, Komonews and the Seattle Times as well shows crucial differences - The BET article (and its source, the Seattle Times) make no mention of Malkin's claims of wokism or grandstanding by white people. The Komonews article had just 3 lines on Malkin's radio rant at the very end of the article.

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It is interesting that the Seattle Times said that these parades are becoming less common in the area anyway. As I said Schools are constantly looking for better ways to engage children and events come and go. The school made it clear that this is not about Halloween, it is about a school activity and a school activity that is becoming less common in the area.

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“It’s one thing to be responsive and another thing to be reactionary,” [Seattle School Board member Lisa] Rivera-Smith said. “It sounds like the school is being responsive. I appreciate the [Race and Equity Team] took it on and took steps to do what they thought was best.”

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