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Two Catholic Friers take down George Carlin bit defaming God. But in love.

This is how you deal with a hateful atheist, with love and depth:

https://www.youtube.com/w...UpeMKfehe8

Good gentleman.

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Reply #1 posted 10/11/21 3:32pm

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George Carlin was right

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Reply #2 posted 10/12/21 9:12pm

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First - monks still dress like that? Ok, that's out.


I only watched the first part because as someone who has a deep interest in cosmology and is a panentheist, debating how God should behave is a pointless exercise. The universe doesn't function in ways based on what humans think makes sense but it exist just the same, then why would one think God has to. I don't understand that.
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Reply #3 posted 10/13/21 7:03am

JorisE73

2freaky4church1 said:

This is how you deal with a hateful atheist, with love and depth:

https://www.youtube.com/w...UpeMKfehe8

Good gentleman.


Sure, two potential pedophiles who don't understand comedy or humor.

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Reply #4 posted 10/13/21 10:56am

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So ignorant

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Reply #5 posted 10/13/21 1:06pm

IanRG

JorisE73 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

This is how you deal with a hateful atheist, with love and depth:

https://www.youtube.com/w...UpeMKfehe8

Good gentleman.


Sure, two potential pedophiles who don't understand comedy or humor.

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Because there has never been any history of sexual abuse by famous and powerful white male actors and producers like George Carlin?

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Why the personal attack with such an accusation against two people you know nothing about just because they analysed what is behind Carlin's jokes?

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Just as things that are said as part of comedy act should be taken as part of the act, those things said are not free from reasonable, civil analysis after the event. We are not talking about boycotts, bombings and bombastic blasts, just a calm, careful and caring analysis.

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So many comedians use their acts to push their opinion - which is good. When they do it well it is funny and thought provoking, even if you don't agree with their opinion. So many religious people use their religion to push their opinion - which is good. And when they do it well, it is probably not funny but at least thought provoking, even if you don't agree with their opinion. Part of understanding Carlin's style of satire is that once your thought is provoked he wanted you to think on this and act on it, not just laugh and move on or simply agree with him because he said it.

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I will end with two Carlin quotes:

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"Don't just teach your children to read; Teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." This includes what Carlin says.

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"Be excellent to each other" - technically he is quoting Bill and Ted but he went back in time and said it to them before they made it popular.

[Edited 10/13/21 14:08pm]

[Edited 10/13/21 15:37pm]

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Reply #6 posted 10/14/21 12:26am

JorisE73

2freaky4church1 said:

So ignorant


Like you and all those other religious creeps

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Reply #7 posted 10/14/21 12:39am

JorisE73

IanRG said:

JorisE73 said:


Sure, two potential pedophiles who don't understand comedy or humor.

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Because there has never been any history of sexual abuse by famous and powerful white male actors and producers like George Carlin?

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Irellevant question beacuse I don't see any powerful white male actors or producers in this dumb analyis.

Why the personal attack with such an accusation against two people you know nothing about just because they analysed what is behind Carlin's jokes?

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because religious creeps creep me out and the history with religious creeps says enough (just my opinion that I'm allowed to spew just like the creeps in this video, but I shouldn'\t have to point this out because I typed this myself)

Just as things that are said as part of comedy act should be taken as part of the act, those things said are not free from reasonable, civil analysis after the event. We are not talking about boycotts, bombings and bombastic blasts, just a calm, careful and caring analysis.

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And i just gave my opinion on them.

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Reply #8 posted 10/14/21 4:37am

IanRG

JorisE73 said:

Sure, two potential pedophiles who don't understand comedy or humor.

IanRG said:

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(1) Because there has never been any history of sexual abuse by famous and powerful white male actors and producers like George Carlin?

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(2) Why the personal attack with such an accusation against two people you know nothing about just because they analysed what is behind Carlin's jokes?

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(3) Just as things that are said as part of comedy act should be taken as part of the act, those things said are not free from reasonable, civil analysis after the event. We are not talking about boycotts, bombings and bombastic blasts, just a calm, careful and caring analysis.

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So many comedians use their acts to push their opinion - which is good. When they do it well it is funny and thought provoking, even if you don't agree with their opinion. So many religious people use their religion to push their opinion - which is good. And when they do it well, it is probably not funny but at least thought provoking, even if you don't agree with their opinion. Part of understanding Carlin's style of satire is that once your thought is provoked he wanted you to think on this and act on it, not just laugh and move on or simply agree with him because he said it.

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I will end with two Carlin quotes:

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"Don't just teach your children to read; Teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." This includes what Carlin says.

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"Be excellent to each other" - technically he is quoting Bill and Ted but he went back in time and said it to them before they made it popular.

JorisE73 said:

(1) Irellevant question beacuse I don't see any powerful white male actors or producers in this dumb analyis.

(2) because religious creeps creep me out and the history with religious creeps says enough (just my opinion that I'm allowed to spew just like the creeps in this video, but I shouldn'\t have to point this out because I typed this myself)

(3) And i just gave my opinion on them.

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(1) It is completely relevant. Carlin was a powerful white male actor and producer. Just like these two people, his occupation is one where others have miss used their position to commit the vile evil acts you accuse these people of.

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(2) if you can only accuse people of being potential pedophiles based on their job, then your opinion is just a baseless accusation. Between points 1 and 2 you have just demostrated that you place more on the person's occupation than whether they actually are sexual abusers.

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(3) All opinions are able to be challenged and where they are baseless bigotry rejected as such.

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Reply #9 posted 10/14/21 7:27am

JorisE73

IanRG said:

JorisE73 said:

(1) Irellevant question beacuse I don't see any powerful white male actors or producers in this dumb analyis.

(2) because religious creeps creep me out and the history with religious creeps says enough (just my opinion that I'm allowed to spew just like the creeps in this video, but I shouldn'\t have to point this out because I typed this myself)

(3) And i just gave my opinion on them.

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(1) It is completely relevant. Carlin was a powerful white male actor and producer. Just like these two people, his occupation is one where others have miss used their position to commit the vile evil acts you accuse these people of.

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(2) if you can only accuse people of being potential pedophiles based on their job, then your opinion is just a baseless accusation. Between points 1 and 2 you have just demostrated that you place more on the person's occupation than whether they actually are sexual abusers.

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(3) All opinions are able to be challenged and where they are baseless bigotry rejected as such.

1) what a joke, Carlin wasn't close to being a 'powerful' actor or producer, he just acted in some small movies and did some small parts. And he mostly produced his own standups. Nothing powerful about this.

2) Only when it comes to creepy church people.

3) OK

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Reply #10 posted 10/14/21 7:34am

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Religious creeps? MLK for one right?

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Reply #11 posted 10/14/21 7:34am

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Joris, you are mad at God. Tell me what is wrong? He loves you.

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Reply #12 posted 10/14/21 7:40am

JorisE73

2freaky4church1 said:

Joris, you are mad at God. Tell me what is wrong? He loves you.


I can't be mad at something there's no proof of existing of. Plus I find it creepy and startling that proud black people in America are so indoctrinated by there white oppressors that they were even made to believe in there made up white 'god' and are even willing to fight for that instead of there own ancestors beliefs.

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You are messed up.

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Reply #14 posted 10/14/21 7:50am

JorisE73

2freaky4church1 said:

You are messed up.


OK. thanks for your professional opinion on my psyche based solely on letters on a screen.

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Reply #15 posted 10/14/21 7:52am

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All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #16 posted 10/14/21 7:53am

JorisE73

2freaky4church1 said:

Joris, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/w...tcjNCrGyT8


Why, youtube is a cesspool of bullshit like all thos antivax movies on there.

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Reply #17 posted 10/14/21 9:42am

uPtoWnNY

JorisE73 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Joris, you are mad at God. Tell me what is wrong? He loves you.


I can't be mad at something there's no proof of existing of. Plus I find it creepy and startling that proud black people in America are so indoctrinated by there white oppressors that they were even made to believe in there made up white 'god' and are even willing to fight for that instead of there own ancestors beliefs.

nod ....and there it is

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Reply #18 posted 10/14/21 9:50am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Religious creeps? MLK for one right?


Malcolm X


God of Abraham.
[Edited 10/14/21 10:01am]
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Reply #19 posted 10/14/21 1:17pm

IanRG

JorisE73 said:

IanRG said:

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(1) It is completely relevant. Carlin was a powerful white male actor and producer. Just like these two people, his occupation is one where others have miss used their position to commit the vile evil acts you accuse these people of.

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(2) if you can only accuse people of being potential pedophiles based on their job, then your opinion is just a baseless accusation. Between points 1 and 2 you have just demostrated that you place more on the person's occupation than whether they actually are sexual abusers.

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(3) All opinions are able to be challenged and where they are baseless bigotry rejected as such.

1) what a joke, Carlin wasn't close to being a 'powerful' actor or producer, he just acted in some small movies and did some small parts. And he mostly produced his own standups. Nothing powerful about this.

2) Only when it comes to creepy church people.

3) OK

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1) Not a joke - the proof is we are talking about him now. Carlin has MUCH more power than the two people you accused of being potential pedophiles rather than address what they said.

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2) Sexual abuse and pedophilia exists both inside the church and outside of it. If you only want to target "creepy church people", then you are enabling the sexual abusers in the home and in all other organisations and industries that are not religions. It is the abuse that is important, not your personal opinion that excuses the abuse if it was within other organisations - that is creepy.

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Reply #20 posted 10/15/21 12:11am

JorisE73

IanRG said:

JorisE73 said:

1) what a joke, Carlin wasn't close to being a 'powerful' actor or producer, he just acted in some small movies and did some small parts. And he mostly produced his own standups. Nothing powerful about this.

2) Only when it comes to creepy church people.

3) OK

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1) Not a joke - the proof is we are talking about him now. Carlin has MUCH more power than the two people you accused of being potential pedophiles rather than address what they said.

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2) Sexual abuse and pedophilia exists both inside the church and outside of it. If you only want to target "creepy church people", then you are enabling the sexual abusers in the home and in all other organisations and industries that are not religions. It is the abuse that is important, not your personal opinion that excuses the abuse if it was within other organisations - that is creepy.


lol Stop making up things just to pretend to be right. I'm not enabling anything and I didn't say they were pedohiles (notice the word potential.)
You're teh religious guy so you support pedophiles.

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Reply #21 posted 10/15/21 3:58am

IanRG

JorisE73 said:

IanRG said:

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1) Not a joke - the proof is we are talking about him now. Carlin has MUCH more power than the two people you accused of being potential pedophiles rather than address what they said.

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2) Sexual abuse and pedophilia exists both inside the church and outside of it. If you only want to target "creepy church people", then you are enabling the sexual abusers in the home and in all other organisations and industries that are not religions. It is the abuse that is important, not your personal opinion that excuses the abuse if it was within other organisations - that is creepy.


lol Stop making up things just to pretend to be right. I'm not enabling anything and I didn't say they were pedohiles (notice the word potential.)
You're teh religious guy so you support pedophiles.

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You absolutely ARE enabling sexual abuse. You literally said "Only when it comes to creepy church people." to confirm that I was right when I said "you can only accuse people of being potential pedophiles based on their job, then your opinion is just a baseless accusation. Between points 1 and 2 you have just demostrated that you place more on the person's occupation than whether they actually are sexual abusers."

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And then you follow this with an offensive and entirely false repulsive accusation.

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Reply #22 posted 10/15/21 6:08am

JorisE73

IanRG said:

JorisE73 said:


lol Stop making up things just to pretend to be right. I'm not enabling anything and I didn't say they were pedohiles (notice the word potential.)
You're teh religious guy so you support pedophiles.

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You absolutely ARE enabling sexual abuse. You literally said "Only when it comes to creepy church people." to confirm that I was right when I said "you can only accuse people of being potential pedophiles based on their job, then your opinion is just a baseless accusation. Between points 1 and 2 you have just demostrated that you place more on the person's occupation than whether they actually are sexual abusers."

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And then you follow this with an offensive and entirely false repulsive accusation.


Really..
You didn't even understand what I wrote, which is quite clear, and you're just making up stuff for whatever reason.
You are the one making up that I "can only accuse people of being potential pedophiles based on their job" (nowhere in my post did I allude to any of that, you're just making up stuff for some reason. Insecurity?)

Your point 2 is just some fabricated fantasy from you. My answer to your point 2 is quite clear that I expect pedophile behaviour from creepy church people hence the assumption, but that doesn't say anything about me basing this on peoples occupation "only", but, like I said, only when it comes to creepy church people.

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Reply #23 posted 10/15/21 12:19pm

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JorisE73 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Joris, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/w...tcjNCrGyT8


Why, youtube is a cesspool of bullshit like all thos antivax movies on there.

Well, you got that right. I don't understand why so many people waste their precious time on the disgusting crap on Youtube. Most if it is just lies and hateful messages. There are so many productive things people could be doing with their time, such as, volunteer work, helping people that truly need help, learning a new skill, getting a job, I could go on and on. And, don't get me started on the fucking church! Just filled with sexual abusers.

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Reply #24 posted 10/15/21 2:00pm

IanRG

JorisE73 said:

IanRG said:

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You absolutely ARE enabling sexual abuse. You literally said "Only when it comes to creepy church people." to confirm that I was right when I said "you can only accuse people of being potential pedophiles based on their job, then your opinion is just a baseless accusation. Between points 1 and 2 you have just demostrated that you place more on the person's occupation than whether they actually are sexual abusers."

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And then you follow this with an offensive and entirely false repulsive accusation.


Really..
You didn't even understand what I wrote, which is quite clear, and you're just making up stuff for whatever reason.
You are the one making up that I "can only accuse people of being potential pedophiles based on their job" (nowhere in my post did I allude to any of that, you're just making up stuff for some reason. Insecurity?)

Your point 2 is just some fabricated fantasy from you. My answer to your point 2 is quite clear that I expect pedophile behaviour from creepy church people hence the assumption, but that doesn't say anything about me basing this on peoples occupation "only", but, like I said, only when it comes to creepy church people.

Yes really, and your response above confirms I understood it perfectly ...

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You confirmed that you "accuse people of being potential pedophiles based on their job" by saying "Only when it comes to creepy church people". You accused two people of being potential pedophiles because of their job as Friars. Hence I have NOT made up a thing. You did not just allude to it, you agreed with me that you do by your answer that you do it only when it comes to creepy church people. In doing so you were activley dismissing the sexual abuse well entrenched in Carlin's industry. By this dismissal you are enabling sexual abuse so long as it is not done by creepy church people - so long as the job of the actor, producer, teacher, politician, trainer, coach, youth group leader, health care worker etc etc etc is not church related.

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You doubled down on this to falsely accuse me of supporting pedophilia just because I am religious. This could not be further from the truth. You may not know it but I was sexually abused as child and I have worked against this occuring through the police, courts and all the way up to the Australian Royal Commission on the institutional responses to sexual abuse of children. I have personally confronted all the Australian Catholic Bishops on their responses (and no, my abuser was not a Catholic).

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This thread is about the video but you took it off topic by personally attacking three people with unsubstantiated accusations. You need to look within yourself as to why you could not address what they said but twice felt the need to lash out with false accusations.

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Reply #25 posted 10/15/21 2:05pm

IanRG

Empress said:

JorisE73 said:


Why, youtube is a cesspool of bullshit like all thos antivax movies on there.

Well, you got that right. I don't understand why so many people waste their precious time on the disgusting crap on Youtube. Most if it is just lies and hateful messages. There are so many productive things people could be doing with their time, such as, volunteer work, helping people that truly need help, learning a new skill, getting a job, I could go on and on. And, don't get me started on the fucking church! Just filled with sexual abusers.

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And every single one of those abusers and the people who enabled them to do this need to answer for these sins and crimes here and in the afterlife. All I am saying is this applies to EVERY person, not just when it happens within churches.

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In regard to youtubes posted here, I agree, and almost never watch the youtubes posted here.

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Reply #26 posted 10/15/21 2:23pm

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IanRG said:



Empress said:




JorisE73 said:




Why, youtube is a cesspool of bullshit like all thos antivax movies on there.



Well, you got that right. I don't understand why so many people waste their precious time on the disgusting crap on Youtube. Most if it is just lies and hateful messages. There are so many productive things people could be doing with their time, such as, volunteer work, helping people that truly need help, learning a new skill, getting a job, I could go on and on. And, don't get me started on the fucking church! Just filled with sexual abusers.



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And every single one of those abusers and the people who enabled them to do this need to answer for these sins and crimes here and in the afterlife. All I am saying is this applies to EVERY person, not just when it happens within churches.


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In regard to youtubes posted here, I agree, and almost never watch the youtubes posted here.


What kind of youtube are you all watching? There's so much more going on than the moronic stuff. Books, science, education, music, art etc. is on youtube. I'd go out on a limb and say anything, and I mean anything, (outside of absolute depravity) anyone finds interesting has a community on there. It literally has endless possibilities. And it's a damned good side hustle for many who know how to connect with people.
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


This moment is all there is...
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Reply #27 posted 10/15/21 2:25pm

IanRG

onlyforaminute said:

IanRG said:

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And every single one of those abusers and the people who enabled them to do this need to answer for these sins and crimes here and in the afterlife. All I am saying is this applies to EVERY person, not just when it happens within churches.

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In regard to youtubes posted here, I agree, and almost never watch the youtubes posted here.

What kind of youtube are you all watching? There's so much more going on than the moronic stuff. Books, science, education, music, art etc. is on youtube. I'd go out on a limb and say anything, and I mean anything, (outside of absolute depravity) anyone finds interesting has a community on there. It literally has endless possibilities. And it's a damned good side hustle for many who know how to connect with people.

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Most of the youtubes posted here are not the ones you are talking about.

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Reply #28 posted 10/15/21 2:41pm

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IanRG said:



onlyforaminute said:


IanRG said:


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And every single one of those abusers and the people who enabled them to do this need to answer for these sins and crimes here and in the afterlife. All I am saying is this applies to EVERY person, not just when it happens within churches.


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In regard to youtubes posted here, I agree, and almost never watch the youtubes posted here.



What kind of youtube are you all watching? There's so much more going on than the moronic stuff. Books, science, education, music, art etc. is on youtube. I'd go out on a limb and say anything, and I mean anything, (outside of absolute depravity) anyone finds interesting has a community on there. It literally has endless possibilities. And it's a damned good side hustle for many who know how to connect with people.

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Most of the youtubes posted here are not the ones you are talking about.


Most are trailers or informational based on a point the individual is making. Still doesn't represent the whole of youtube.
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


This moment is all there is...
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Reply #29 posted 10/15/21 5:40pm

IanRG

onlyforaminute said:

IanRG said:

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Most of the youtubes posted here are not the ones you are talking about.

Most are trailers or informational based on a point the individual is making. Still doesn't represent the whole of youtube.

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And I use youtube for reasons other than pushing a political opinion - The few times I do look at the youtubes pushed in P&R, I have to block these so it does not taint my suggested feeds

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