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Thread started 10/09/21 12:07am

TrivialPursuit

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I don't know who needs to hear this but...

...stop explaining yourself to your enemies.

You have zero obligation to answer someone else's false narrative about you; someone who doesn't give a shit about you anyway.

RuPaul said it well, too...


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"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #1 posted 10/09/21 8:56am

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This reminds me of a discussion I had with a young man from China. He said that Chinese social media was upset that the two leads of Shang Chi were not up to Chinese standards of beauty.

I was confused, because Simu Liu is very attractive, I thought. He explained that because of the way people make fun of Asian looks, by pulling their eyes until they're just slits, that Asians are self conscious when they don't have a fold in their upper lid. Mr. Liu doesn't have this fold, so he is considered unattractive.

My friend actually thought it was some kind of conspiracy. Hollywood sees Asians as slant-eyed, so they cast a stereotypical Asian, someone without a fold in their eyes.

I tried to explain to him that the fold is not something that anyone besides Asians even sees. You're either Asian or not. The fold is completely irrelevant.

It's just insane that they recognize that it's racist to make fun of Asian looks, while at the same time completely buying into the idea that many Asian eyes are unattractive. They're letting the racists dictate how they view themselves. And it's about something that racists never even think about.

My mother was Asian, but fortunately she never taught me about this insanity.
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Reply #2 posted 10/09/21 9:03am

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My friend did recognize that it's probably partly fueled by anti-American sentiment (thanks, Trump!). The Chinese government doesn't want American films to succeed in China, so the anti-Shang Chi stuff is at least partially propaganda. Many young Chinese people are fans of Liu, he said.
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Reply #3 posted 10/09/21 12:05pm

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PJMcGee said:

My friend did recognize that it's probably partly fueled by anti-American sentiment (thanks, Trump!). The Chinese government doesn't want American films to succeed in China, so the anti-Shang Chi stuff is at least partially propaganda. Many young Chinese people are fans of Liu, he said.


I think Liu also criticised the Chinese government or something. I remember reading something about that.
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Reply #4 posted 10/09/21 9:27pm

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PJMcGee said:

My friend did recognize that it's probably partly fueled by anti-American sentiment (thanks, Trump!). The Chinese government doesn't want American films to succeed in China, so the anti-Shang Chi stuff is at least partially propaganda. Many young Chinese people are fans of Liu, he said.


While I don't wish to dismiss the pumpkin contribution to this, the anti-Asian sentiment goes much further back than that. It was only less than a decade ago I learned about Asian concentration camps in the United States during World War II, because Japan attacked America. Even before that, people scoffed at anyone Asian.

As far as the fold in the eye, I've heard a lot of Asian people talk about that. Even Julie Chen Moonves talked about getting her eyes done, because her regular eyes looked "tired," as if she was "sleepy," just because of the way the lid hit the eye in general. The viewing public thought she (and those like her) were uninterested in the news they were reporting. Her eyes are more "open" now.

It's pure white supremacy that white people's opinions and stereotypes bled into Chinese culture and they try to assimilate their appearance to meet Western standards, which are still a stereotype meant to degrade and demean a whole group of people.

By the way, here's Moonves before and after her eye surgery. People have said she had a nose job, but she says no. I agree. She has way better makeup now and she can contour the shit out of it to narrow it on camera, if necessary. Contouring is putting a darker shade on the sides of the nose, on either side of the bridge, to create the illusion of a shadow. It also puts a lighter shade, sometimes a highlighter blended in, on the bridge to draw attention to it, while the dark contouring moves the viewer's eye away from the width of the nose.

The pic on the left is a clear example of no contouring in the cheeks or on the nose, and on the right, it's very well done. Her makeup feels more natural and real now. Not that she looks like she has no makeup on, but it works with what she has, rather than against it.


"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #5 posted 10/10/21 5:12am

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I'm well aware of the history of anti-Asian racism in America. My Chinese friend was referring to the recent increase in tensions because of Trump.

Chen's makeup does look good I guess, but I hate when you see women who look like their nose, or at least the bridge of it, has literally been drawn on. Makeup shouldn't make you look like a painting of a person.
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