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Reply #30 posted 10/06/21 3:40pm

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The L.A. City Council voted to require proof of vaccination starting Nov. 4. for all indoor concerts, bars, restaurants, gyms, shopping centers and more.

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Reply #31 posted 10/07/21 5:48am

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PennyPurple said:

The L.A. City Council voted to require proof of vaccination starting Nov. 4. for all indoor concerts, bars, restaurants, gyms, shopping centers and more.



We’ve had this in NYC for about a month. Starting this month, the City will enforce this policy by fining businesses that do not comply in checking the vaccination status of their patrons
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Reply #32 posted 10/07/21 7:00am

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Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna COVID-19 vaccine

By Essi Lehto 5 hrs ago

By Essi Lehto

HELSINKI, Oct 7 (Reuters) - Finland on Thursday paused the use of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine for younger males due to reports of a rare cardiovascular side effect, joining Sweden and Denmark in limiting its use.

Mika Salminen, director of the Finnish health institute, said Finland would instead give Pfizer's vaccine to men born in 1991 and later. Finland offers shots to people aged 12 and over.

"A Nordic study involving Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark found that men under the age of 30 who received Moderna Spikevax had a slightly higher risk than others of developing myocarditis," he said.

Swedish and Danish health officials had announced on Wednesday they would pause the use of the Moderna vaccine for all young adults and children, citing the same unpublished study.

Norwegian health officials reiterated on Wednesday that they recommended men under the age of 30 opt for Pfizer's vaccine...

Finland joins Sweden and ... (msn.com)

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Reply #33 posted 10/07/21 10:30am

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Vaccinated Anthony Anderson isn't interested in policing your vax status

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"Black-ish" star Anthony Anderson is vaccinated against COVID-19. But don't expect him to police others about their vaccination status, because that's their business, not his.

"I'm not here to judge anyone on what they should do with their body," actor Anthony Anderson says, talking about COVID-19 vaccinations. (Chris Pizzello / Associated Press)

“Each individual has his or her own rights," the 11-time Emmy nominee said in a new Hollywood Reporter article about how the industry is handling vaccine mandates. "We aren’t in control of anyone’s body, only that person is.”

Anderson said he got the jab because he has Type 2 diabetes and wanted to take every measure to protect himself amid the pandemic.

"But I’m not here to judge anyone on what they should do with their body," he added. "I can only govern what I’m doing with mine. As long as they respect me, I respect them. And as long as we keep our 6-foot distance and wear a mask, then we can interact and do what we want to do."

Also mentioned in the article were George Clooney, who thinks anyone skipping vaccination is "stupid"; Sean Penn, who walked off the set of "Gaslit" in July and wouldn't return until everyone on the production was had been vaccinated; and Rob Schneider and Letitia Wright, who have posted their anti-vax beliefs on social media — and are both currently filming movies.

The name of Wright's "Black Panther: Wakanda Forever" character was trending Wednesday on Twitter as people tweeted that Shuri should be recast with somebody who has been vaccinated. The actor deleted her social media accounts in December amid blowback after she shared an anti-vax video.

Meanwhile, the Los Angeles City Council approved an ordinance Wednesday requiring proof of vaccination starting Nov. 4 from those who wish to enter indoor restaurants, shopping centers, movie theaters, hair and nail salons and many other indoor venues.

This story originally appeared in Los Angeles Times.

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Reply #34 posted 10/07/21 12:45pm

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Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna COVID-19 vaccine

By Essi Lehto 5 hrs ago

By Essi Lehto

HELSINKI, Oct 7 (Reuters) - Finland on Thursday paused the use of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine for younger males due to reports of a rare cardiovascular side effect, joining Sweden and Denmark in limiting its use.

Mika Salminen, director of the Finnish health institute, said Finland would instead give Pfizer's vaccine to men born in 1991 and later. Finland offers shots to people aged 12 and over.

"A Nordic study involving Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark found that men under the age of 30 who received Moderna Spikevax had a slightly higher risk than others of developing myocarditis," he said.

Swedish and Danish health officials had announced on Wednesday they would pause the use of the Moderna vaccine for all young adults and children, citing the same unpublished study.

Norwegian health officials reiterated on Wednesday that they recommended men under the age of 30 opt for Pfizer's vaccine...

Finland joins Sweden and ... (msn.com)

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"These are typically mild cases and individuals tend to recover within a short time following standard treatment and rest. The risk of myocarditis is substantially increased for those who contract COVID-19, and vaccination is the best way to protect against this."

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This is not the first pause and it probalby will not be the last. Note these are only pauses in use for specific gender and age groups pending analysis of an unpublished report. It is good that regulatory authorities use an abundance of caution by properly monitoring the vaccines and they seriously consider even the very rare outcomes. It is bad that these pauses are misused by anti-vaxxers to push their beliefs.

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Reply #35 posted 10/07/21 5:18pm

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jjhunsecker said:

PennyPurple said:

The L.A. City Council voted to require proof of vaccination starting Nov. 4. for all indoor concerts, bars, restaurants, gyms, shopping centers and more.

We’ve had this in NYC for about a month. Starting this month, the City will enforce this policy by fining businesses that do not comply in checking the vaccination status of their patrons

Sorry, not sorry to those who don't have the vax can't go to a movie, dinner inside, etc. smile

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Reply #36 posted 10/08/21 10:29am

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jjhunsecker said:

PennyPurple said:

The L.A. City Council voted to require proof of vaccination starting Nov. 4. for all indoor concerts, bars, restaurants, gyms, shopping centers and more.



We’ve had this in NYC for about a month. Starting this month, the City will enforce this policy by fining businesses that do not comply in checking the vaccination status of their patrons

Good. I’m all for it.
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Reply #37 posted 10/08/21 10:42am

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This is going overboard….smh.


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Reply #38 posted 10/08/21 11:42am

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More NBA players speak out

https://youtu.be/c-4KM9-xdjA

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Reply #39 posted 10/08/21 12:52pm

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But it is for the greater good.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #40 posted 10/08/21 1:08pm

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Joy Behar: Black people shouldn't be hesitant of vaccine because white people were the ‘experiment’

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The View cohost Joy Bewhar said Thursday that black people don't need to be afraid of the COVID-19 vaccine anymore because white people did it as an "experiment."

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Co-host Sunny Hostin said she was struck by the number of Americans who remain unvaccinated and that the solution may be "fear" — 56% of Americans are fully vaccinated, while 65% have received one dose. Only 46% of black Americans have received at least one shot of the coronavirus vaccine as of Oct. 4, according to CDC data.

“I also remember the ad campaign, this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs, with the egg on the street frying. That works. Fear works, unfortunately,” Hostin explained.

Behar said she didn't blame the black community's hesitancy to receive the vaccine, citing the Tuskegee experiments in which the U.S. government conducted syphilis experiments on black Americans without their knowing consent.

“How do they get through to people like the black audience, for instance, the African American community, who has been burnt in the past by these Tuskegee experiments and things coming out that have harmed them," Behar said. "I don’t blame that community for being skittish about it, but I say that so many white people have gotten it now, you know, the experiment has been done on white people now."

Co-host Whoopi Goldberg chimed in, agreeing with Behar.

“I’ve said to more people, 'Do you see another head at the back of my head? Is there a tail back there?'" she said.

She said that she was proof the vaccines were safe, despite examples in history of experimentation like the Tuskegee experiment.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE F...N EXAMINER

“The Tuskegee experiment, there are countless things we can point to. But this is not one of them,” Goldberg continued. “This isn’t one of them. And did you just say, Joy, white people? This is what I said at the beginning: White people are getting it. If you don’t see them with double heads it’s OK. You know, if you don’t see a tail, it’s OK.”

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Reply #41 posted 10/09/21 12:29pm

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Joy Behar: Black people shouldn't be hesitant of vaccine because white people were the ‘experiment’




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The View cohost Joy Bewhar said Thursday that black people don't need to be afraid of the COVID-19 vaccine anymore because white people did it as an "experiment."





© Provided by Washington Examiner


Co-host Sunny Hostin said she was struck by the number of Americans who remain unvaccinated and that the solution may be "fear" — 56% of Americans are fully vaccinated, while 65% have received one dose. Only 46% of black Americans have received at least one shot of the coronavirus vaccine as of Oct. 4, according to CDC data.


“I also remember the ad campaign, this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs, with the egg on the street frying. That works. Fear works, unfortunately,” Hostin explained.



Behar said she didn't blame the black community's hesitancy to receive the vaccine, citing the Tuskegee experiments in which the U.S. government conducted syphilis experiments on black Americans without their knowing consent.


“How do they get through to people like the black audience, for instance, the African American community, who has been burnt in the past by these Tuskegee experiments and things coming out that have harmed them," Behar said. "I don’t blame that community for being skittish about it, but I say that so many white people have gotten it now, you know, the experiment has been done on white people now."


Co-host Whoopi Goldberg chimed in, agreeing with Behar.


“I’ve said to more people, 'Do you see another head at the back of my head? Is there a tail back there?'" she said.


She said that she was proof the vaccines were safe, despite examples in history of experimentation like the Tuskegee experiment.


CLICK HERE TO READ MORE F...N EXAMINER


“The Tuskegee experiment, there are countless things we can point to. But this is not one of them,” Goldberg continued. “This isn’t one of them. And did you just say, Joy, white people? This is what I said at the beginning: White people are getting it. If you don’t see them with double heads it’s OK. You know, if you don’t see a tail, it’s OK.”



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Joy has a very good point. It was wealthy White people who were the first in line to get the shots . Rupert Murdoch was vaccinated before the Queen of England and the President of the United States. And nobody would give anyone that rich and powerful anything that would harm them. If it’s good enough for the wealthy Whites, it’s good enough for me.,,

People need to get over their paranoia and move forward
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Reply #42 posted 10/09/21 2:29pm

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jjhunsecker said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Joy Behar: Black people shouldn't be hesitant of vaccine because white people were the ‘experiment’

Matthew Miller 19 hrs ago
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The View cohost Joy Bewhar said Thursday that black people don't need to be afraid of the COVID-19 vaccine anymore because white people did it as an "experiment."

© Provided by Washington Examiner

Co-host Sunny Hostin said she was struck by the number of Americans who remain unvaccinated and that the solution may be "fear" — 56% of Americans are fully vaccinated, while 65% have received one dose. Only 46% of black Americans have received at least one shot of the coronavirus vaccine as of Oct. 4, according to CDC data.

“I also remember the ad campaign, this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs, with the egg on the street frying. That works. Fear works, unfortunately,” Hostin explained.

Behar said she didn't blame the black community's hesitancy to receive the vaccine, citing the Tuskegee experiments in which the U.S. government conducted syphilis experiments on black Americans without their knowing consent.

“How do they get through to people like the black audience, for instance, the African American community, who has been burnt in the past by these Tuskegee experiments and things coming out that have harmed them," Behar said. "I don’t blame that community for being skittish about it, but I say that so many white people have gotten it now, you know, the experiment has been done on white people now."

Co-host Whoopi Goldberg chimed in, agreeing with Behar.

“I’ve said to more people, 'Do you see another head at the back of my head? Is there a tail back there?'" she said.

She said that she was proof the vaccines were safe, despite examples in history of experimentation like the Tuskegee experiment.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE F...N EXAMINER

“The Tuskegee experiment, there are countless things we can point to. But this is not one of them,” Goldberg continued. “This isn’t one of them. And did you just say, Joy, white people? This is what I said at the beginning: White people are getting it. If you don’t see them with double heads it’s OK. You know, if you don’t see a tail, it’s OK.”

Washington Examiner Videos

Video player from: YouTube (Privacy Policy, Terms)

Tags: News, Joy Behar, The View, Vaccination, Coronavirus

Original Author: Matthew Miller

Original Location: Joy Behar: Black people s...eriment’

Joy Behar: Black people s... (msn.com)

Joy has a very good point. It was wealthy White people who were the first in line to get the shots . Rupert Murdoch was vaccinated before the Queen of England and the President of the United States. And nobody would give anyone that rich and powerful anything that would harm them. If it’s good enough for the wealthy Whites, it’s good enough for me.,, People need to get over their paranoia and move forward

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After a combination of vaccine hesitancy and limited access to vaccines in regional areas the indigenous community in Australia is suffering disproportionately from the current outbreaks.

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Reply #43 posted 10/13/21 1:10am

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Vannormal said:

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If people feel divided, it means they're not willing to cooperate for a better life/future together.

The pass is for those who want to feel safe, together!

Those who were willing and able to act resposible for a simple matter tbh.

Within a few years, this deadly Covid-19 will turn into just a flu.

Like all these type of virusses eventually do.

But only thanks to those who were ready to cooperate, and killed the bitch slowly.

Talking about slowly, this shit pandemict will remain as long as those who refuse to take their resposibility and be part of a solution.

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And that is the point.

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As the "ultimate instrument to divide your population", a vaccine certificate is a wimpy failure. It will only temporarily separate those who have acted to be part of the solution from those who are making this a political issue rather than a pandemic. Rather than the system deciding who is in or out, you make your own decision if you want to be in or out (excpet for those with genuine medical reasons to not get vaccinated). Rather than creating a class difference, once the pandemic goes back to normal, so will the need for processes to manage the pandemic.

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Exactly.

Especially those who never vote, but always loudly have an unasked opinion about all things politics and society, and live by the idea of freedom. Always against 'something/whatever', just to be heard.

Poor invisible souls.

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Reply #44 posted 10/13/21 12:03pm

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Covid-19 vaccine boosters are 'immoral' and 'unfair', says WHO chief

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Distributing Covid-19 vaccine booster shots in some countries while inoculations across Africa lag is "immoral," according to the director general of the World Health Organization (WHO).

Director General of the World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus© CNN Director General of the World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus

The increasing use of boosters is "immoral, unfair and unjust and it has to stop," WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told CNN's Becky Anderson on Tuesday.

To start boosters is really the worst we can do as a global community. It is unjust and also unfair because we will not stop the pandemic by ignoring a whole continent, and the continent that doesn't have any manufacturing capacity of other means," he said.

The WHO has recommended an additional vaccine dose f...ed people, but strongly opposes the widespread use of booster shots until more of the world gets vaccinated with a first round of Covid-19 shots.

South America, North America, Europe, Asia, Oceania have all administered a single vaccine dose to more than 50% of their populations, whereas only 7% of the population of Africa has received a dose, Tedros said...

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Reply #45 posted 10/14/21 2:31am

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^ He makes a very good but salient point. He should also be doing more to uncover the real origins of the virus, instead of letting China and Fauci off the hook.


The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.

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Reply #46 posted 10/14/21 3:56am

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fortuneandserendipity said:



You always resort to calling me a troll when on the wrong side of the argument. This is what you actually said from the other thread #1367


You can play your normal semantic games all you like, the comorbidity list you referred to in above table doesn't take into account the overall prevalence rate across the whole population. As such, they are not the most common comorbidities associated with Covid.

By contrast, the table I drew upon in post #21 list the genuine common comorbidies, in which respiratory related illnesses do not play a very significant part.



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I always resort to calling a troll, a troll because they only ever troll.

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You are being deliberately deceptive in what you are quoting - I made it crystal clear that I was ALWAYS AND ONLY talking about comordities listed as a cause of death for people that have died from Covid 19. You lied when you made up things I never said.

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No matter how many time you lie, twist and seek to make up things I never said, it does not change the facts directly from the CDC that respiratory comorbidities ARE listed as the top two comorbidities that, together with Covid 19 killed people - not just the top two reasons, but around two times or more as likely to be listed as cause of death together with covid. It is you who is playing semantics.

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I completely stand by the findings of the CDC and Health care professionals - being obese for younger people is a key way of weakening your ability to fight many diseases and conditions - but for many conditions including covid, this is just a correlation by reduced margins of survivability - Nothing you have posted proves or even postulates anything but this correlation.

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I will not reply to you again. Please have the integrity to not lie and misrepresent what I have said anymore.

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The topic here is about vaccination passports - you are off-topic in your desperation to troll people.

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Wrong with your endless attempts to smear me. I make serious points most of the time. If I ever troll, it's to troll the troll. Which in this case would be you. Like when you accused me on the other thread of being in with the far right or trump. No evidence. Or when you accused me of claiming more should be done in hospitals concerning repurposing of hospital drugs than what Drs Kory and Marik are advocating. Their approach is just fine and I said so throughout the thread. So no evidence for what you're saying. Wrong accusation from you, again.


I wasn't being deceptive in quoting you. To iterate once again, the list you provided is not the most common comorbidities (your words even if you misspelt them) in respect of all-encompassing co-morbidities, because the all-encompassing ones include all risk factors, not relative risks because you're severely ill in the hospital. For instance, my chances of dying from being obese and succumbing to Covid are much higher than if I'm run down from the flu and then catch Covid. Because catching both the flu and Covid is a very unlikely event. One set of data refers to relative risk, the other refers to absolute risk. The data dealing with absolute risk is more relevant because it tells us so much more about the disease and the various cofactors.

Not only that, half of these 'cause of death' comorbidies you mentioned are opaque and ambiguous as to their determining whether they were caused directly by covid or were preexisting at the time those critical care patients first became ill with the virus. So I will address each in turn.

Flu/pneumonia 283,983 46.3% - pneumonia can be directly caused by Covid alone
Respiratory Failure 238,371 38.8% - can be directly caused by Covid
Hypertension Disease 119,842 19.5% - as a chronic disease not caused by Covid
Diabetes 97,381 15.9% - not caused by Covid
Cariac Arrest 74,343 12.1% - can be directly caused by Covid
Ischaemic heart disease 66,804 10.9% - not caused by Covid
ARDS 64,313 10.5% - can be directly caused by Covid
Renal failure 62,230 10.1% - can be directly caused by Covid
Sepsis 59,365 9.7% - can be directly caused by Covid
Vascular/unspecified dementia 58,139 9.5% - not caused by Covid

As is obvious here, and to repeat, the list is ambigious as to what extent to which these supposed comorbidities are caused by factors other than Covid. In defence of the list, I could perhaps assert, the only two, maybe not widely known, truths we can ascertain is that A) the Flu appears to be really bad for one's chances of surviving Covid, should both present together; and B) though primarily a respiratory illness, it has bad implications for people with other organ issues, preexisting at the time they got Covid. For example, dementia. Even then, conditions like dementia are far more common in the elderly, and Covid mostly kills elderly people. Correlation doesn't always equal causation.

But we also know from other data, that Covid exclusively can and quite often does cause cardiac arrest, renal failure, sepsis. Did these patients already definitely have a heart issue, a kidney issue, or a likely bacterial in origin sepsis condition when they presented to the hospital with Covid? Or were they already in the hospital being treated for another condition when they then came down with Covid? It's not clear without knowing the absolute context.

It's also important to remember, Covid is a a whole body thrombotic disease as much as it is a respiratory illness. Another reason, I'd argue, why the list above lacks necessary parsing of nuance. Again, it doesn't break down accurately, comprehensively enough, how much the patients' conditions were caused by Covid vs being entirely preexisting.



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Reply #47 posted 10/14/21 4:56am

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Ever wonder why vaccination passports are being introduced in the first place (basically everywhere these days, and i'm happy for it!)?

Not to divide people, but because of those who refuse to cooperate and want to be treated as divided.

Those who want to distinguish themselves as idiosyncratic, on behalf of superstitioun, religious believes etc.

And above all, live on the misuse of the word 'freedom' in order to be marked as the usual victim.

I'm vaccinated and my pass alows me to get the fuck on with my life,

while still being slowed down by those who do not want to get rid of this ulgy pandemic.

Those who also want to get rid of this at the same time apparently, but refuse to do the right thing.

It has become their pandemic of refusal.

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Reply #48 posted 10/14/21 5:27am

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Ever wonder why vaccination passports are being introduced in the first place (basically everywhere these days, and i'm happy for it!)?

Not to divide people, but because of those who refuse to cooperate and want to be treated as divided.

Those who want to distinguish themselves as idiosyncratic, on behalf of superstitioun, religious believes etc.

And above all, live on the misuse of the word 'freedom' in order to be marked as the usual victim.

I'm vaccinated and my pass alows me to get the fuck on with my life,

while still being slowed down by those who do not want to get rid of this ulgy pandemic.

Those who also want to get rid of this at the same time apparently, but refuse to do the right thing.

It has become their pandemic of refusal.

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Previous pandemics and epidemics have not seen such a strong political movement primarily by the far right to fight commonsense and such efforts seek to blame everyone else rather than just handle the outbreak. There were some protests against the moves to manage the Spanish flu, but they were not as silly. I think it is because they are victims of other people's successes - We are less often exposed to outbreaks in the West, whereas people in Asia and Africa are used to managing outbreaks.

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Reply #49 posted 10/15/21 5:48am

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Ever wonder why vaccination passports are being introduced in the first place?

Not to divide people,

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No?

It's not introduced to make a distinction (or division) of people being A and people being B?
It's not introduced to grant people A more privileges than people B?

What is it introduced for then, huh?

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IanRG said:

Vannormal said:

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Ever wonder why vaccination passports are being introduced in the first place (basically everywhere these days, and i'm happy for it!)?

Not to divide people, but because of those who refuse to cooperate and want to be treated as divided.

Those who want to distinguish themselves as idiosyncratic, on behalf of superstitioun, religious believes etc.

And above all, live on the misuse of the word 'freedom' in order to be marked as the usual victim.

I'm vaccinated and my pass alows me to get the fuck on with my life,

while still being slowed down by those who do not want to get rid of this ulgy pandemic.

Those who also want to get rid of this at the same time apparently, but refuse to do the right thing.

It has become their pandemic of refusal.

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Previous pandemics and epidemics have not seen such a strong political movement primarily by the far right to fight commonsense and such efforts seek to blame everyone else rather than just handle the outbreak. There were some protests against the moves to manage the Spanish flu, but they were not as silly. I think it is because they are victims of other people's successes - We are less often exposed to outbreaks in the West, whereas people in Asia and Africa are used to managing outbreaks.


Vaccination should be voluntary.
It's good it's available and those people who want to take it, by all means, go ahead and take it.
But for people for whom it's not realy necessary, like for me since I've had had Covid-19 in March 2020, they should not be pressured/pushed and discriminated. That's ridiculous.
Especially now it becomes more and more obvious that vaccination does not prevent people from 'catching' the virus.

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Reply #51 posted 10/15/21 2:12pm

IanRG

TweetyV6 said:

IanRG said:

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Previous pandemics and epidemics have not seen such a strong political movement primarily by the far right to fight commonsense and such efforts seek to blame everyone else rather than just handle the outbreak. There were some protests against the moves to manage the Spanish flu, but they were not as silly. I think it is because they are victims of other people's successes - We are less often exposed to outbreaks in the West, whereas people in Asia and Africa are used to managing outbreaks.


Vaccination should be voluntary.
It's good it's available and those people who want to take it, by all means, go ahead and take it.
But for people for whom it's not realy necessary, like for me since I've had had Covid-19 in March 2020, they should not be pressured/pushed and discriminated. That's ridiculous.
Especially now it becomes more and more obvious that vaccination does not prevent people from 'catching' the virus.

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I have never said that vaccines should be mandatory.

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We all know that vaccinations do not prevent you catching the virus and have been over this many times - it reduces the chances of you catching it - it reduces the chances of you spreading it - it reduces the chances of needing to be hospitalised and it reduces the chances of death from it.

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But people that choose to not get vaccinated are choosing between the vaccine and the tougher processes to control the spread. It has just been ruled in the Australian courts as not discrimination, just sensible healthcare processes in managing a pandemic and people that refuse to be sensible.

[Edited 10/15/21 14:12pm]

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Reply #52 posted 10/15/21 2:43pm

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TweetyV6 said:

IanRG said:

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Previous pandemics and epidemics have not seen such a strong political movement primarily by the far right to fight commonsense and such efforts seek to blame everyone else rather than just handle the outbreak. There were some protests against the moves to manage the Spanish flu, but they were not as silly. I think it is because they are victims of other people's successes - We are less often exposed to outbreaks in the West, whereas people in Asia and Africa are used to managing outbreaks.


Vaccination should be voluntary.
It's good it's available and those people who want to take it, by all means, go ahead and take it.
But for people for whom it's not realy necessary, like for me since I've had had Covid-19 in March 2020, they should not be pressured/pushed and discriminated. That's ridiculous.
Especially now it becomes more and more obvious that vaccination does not prevent people from 'catching' the virus.

Just because you had Covid, doesn't mean you can't get it again....

U.S.A.
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Reply #53 posted 10/15/21 5:27pm

IanRG

PennyPurple said:

TweetyV6 said:


Vaccination should be voluntary.
It's good it's available and those people who want to take it, by all means, go ahead and take it.
But for people for whom it's not realy necessary, like for me since I've had had Covid-19 in March 2020, they should not be pressured/pushed and discriminated. That's ridiculous.
Especially now it becomes more and more obvious that vaccination does not prevent people from 'catching' the virus.

Just because you had Covid, doesn't mean you can't get it again....

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Exactly. The vaccines have been shown to further reduce the chance of catching, spreading, being hospitalised by, being killed by covid.

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Reply #54 posted 10/15/21 6:49pm

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PennyPurple said:



TweetyV6 said:




IanRG said:



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Previous pandemics and epidemics have not seen such a strong political movement primarily by the far right to fight commonsense and such efforts seek to blame everyone else rather than just handle the outbreak. There were some protests against the moves to manage the Spanish flu, but they were not as silly. I think it is because they are victims of other people's successes - We are less often exposed to outbreaks in the West, whereas people in Asia and Africa are used to managing outbreaks.




Vaccination should be voluntary.
It's good it's available and those people who want to take it, by all means, go ahead and take it.
But for people for whom it's not realy necessary, like for me since I've had had Covid-19 in March 2020, they should not be pressured/pushed and discriminated. That's ridiculous.
Especially now it becomes more and more obvious that vaccination does not prevent people from 'catching' the virus.



Just because you had Covid, doesn't mean you can't get it again....



Immunological Memory… cool
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Reply #55 posted 10/15/21 6:51pm

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IanRG said:



PennyPurple said:




TweetyV6 said:




Vaccination should be voluntary.
It's good it's available and those people who want to take it, by all means, go ahead and take it.
But for people for whom it's not realy necessary, like for me since I've had had Covid-19 in March 2020, they should not be pressured/pushed and discriminated. That's ridiculous.
Especially now it becomes more and more obvious that vaccination does not prevent people from 'catching' the virus.



Just because you had Covid, doesn't mean you can't get it again....



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Exactly. The vaccines have been shown to further reduce the chance of catching, spreading, being hospitalised by, being killed by covid.



It has been established that having had Covid-19 is a 13x better protection against new infection than the mRNA ‘vaccines’
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Reply #56 posted 10/15/21 7:18pm

IanRG

TweetyV6 said:

IanRG said:

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Exactly. The vaccines have been shown to further reduce the chance of catching, spreading, being hospitalised by, being killed by covid.

It has been established that having had Covid-19 is a 13x better protection against new infection than the mRNA ‘vaccines’ ...

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... in selective studies with many others not showing the same level of protection. It has also been established that just having had covid gives you LESS protection than having had covid AND being vaccinated.

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Reply #57 posted 10/15/21 7:25pm

RichardS

TweetyV6 said:

IanRG said:

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Exactly. The vaccines have been shown to further reduce the chance of catching, spreading, being hospitalised by, being killed by covid.

It has been established that having had Covid-19 is a 13x better protection against new infection than the mRNA ‘vaccines’

I believe that's only for the same variant and for those who were infected in 2021.

And even those who have had Covid get extra protection from vaccines.

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Reply #58 posted 10/17/21 12:55am

Vannormal

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Vannormal said:

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Ever wonder why vaccination passports are being introduced in the first place?

Not to divide people,

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No?

It's not introduced to make a distinction (or division) of people being A and people being B?
It's not introduced to grant people A more privileges than people B?

What is it introduced for then, huh?

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(sigh)

No!!!

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If one refuses to be open to fully understand what a PANDEMIC is all about,

then they obviously never will be in for whatever solutions.

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I don't mind anymore how sour and silly others like to stand out.

I moved on.

I'm vaccinated three times now, and expect my fourth next januari.

And the majority of the world poplution wants to move on too.

All in a positive collaboration to make the best out of all this.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
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Reply #59 posted 10/17/21 1:04am

Vannormal

PennyPurple said:

TweetyV6 said:


Vaccination should be voluntary.
It's good it's available and those people who want to take it, by all means, go ahead and take it.
But for people for whom it's not realy necessary, like for me since I've had had Covid-19 in March 2020, they should not be pressured/pushed and discriminated. That's ridiculous.
Especially now it becomes more and more obvious that vaccination does not prevent people from 'catching' the virus.

Just because you had Covid, doesn't mean you can't get it again....

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Exactly.

And he can still die from it too - even has the risk of having more damage than before if he gets out of a second time.

Yes, he can still spread it, develop it, etc...

But i guess he is not weel enough informed. Whatever.

Vaccination is (by far for now) the only solution.

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We don't know (exactly yet) how long vaccination works, that's why we all propably will get more vaccines on a yearly basis.

Just till this little monster gets weaker and becomes a normal flu or light cold in a few years time.

That IS the only reason why worldwide vaccination can help to reduce this pandemic.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
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