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TweetyV6

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Covid-Pass the ultimate instrument to divide your population

Here's a nice story for all the pro-covid-pass people.

Covid Pass in Lithuania and throughout Europe:

How recent vaccine mandate laws have upended my family's life

18-Sep-21
[Time to read: 16 min]

It's a long but very interresting read where, amongst others, these topics pass by:


* Coercion to vaccinate
* Social Stigmatization
* Self-censorship
* Restrictions: what do they mean in practice?
* Medical exemptions
* Work
* Enforcement
* Restaurants, cafes, bars
* A word of warning


Now all you pro-Corona-pass peeps.... think about this when you support a Covid pass and imagine what could happen once this has been instrumentalized and gradually accepted.

Think what might become possible if a different government then your current one comes to power. What other restirictions could they impose on you?

No matter what your oppinion about Covid-19 is, we all should not want a tool like this in the hands of our governments.

The man of science has learned to believe in justification, not by faith, but by verification - Thomas Henry Huxley
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Reply #1 posted 09/22/21 12:49pm

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Yea, it divides the stupid from the smart.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #2 posted 09/22/21 4:47pm

PennyPurple

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TweetyV6 said:

Here's a nice story for all the pro-covid-pass people.

Covid Pass in Lithuania and throughout Europe:

How recent vaccine mandate laws have upended my family's life

18-Sep-21
[Time to read: 16 min]

It's a long but very interresting read where, amongst others, these topics pass by:


* Coercion to vaccinate
* Social Stigmatization
* Self-censorship
* Restrictions: what do they mean in practice?
* Medical exemptions
* Work
* Enforcement
* Restaurants, cafes, bars
* A word of warning


Now all you pro-Corona-pass peeps.... think about this when you support a Covid pass and imagine what could happen once this has been instrumentalized and gradually accepted.

Think what might become possible if a different government then your current one comes to power. What other restirictions could they impose on you?

No matter what your oppinion about Covid-19 is, we all should not want a tool like this in the hands of our governments.

I call BS. Why ya'll acting like this crap is brand new and has never been done before? Stop acting Cray, Cray.

There are all kinds of mandates already in place.


You have to be vaccinated (and I'm NOT talking about the covid vax) to get into day-cares, school, college, certain jobs.

There are bans on smoking, drinking.


Rules about operating a motor vehicle, banning those under the age of 16 from driving. There are rules for the roads.


Everyone has lost their minds over the covid deal. Oh dear...our rights are being taken away because we have to wear a mask.


Our rights are being taken away because nobody would get the vax which in turn is making the governments demand they get the vax. Yet, people will stand in line for the Flu vax, they will demand they get the shingles vax, cut your hand or foot deep, and need stitched up, chances are you'll get the tetanus booster.



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Reply #3 posted 09/23/21 12:05am

TweetyV6

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PennyPurple said:

TweetyV6 said:

Here's a nice story for all the pro-covid-pass people.

Covid Pass in Lithuania and throughout Europe:

How recent vaccine mandate laws have upended my family's life

18-Sep-21
[Time to read: 16 min]

It's a long but very interresting read where, amongst others, these topics pass by:


* Coercion to vaccinate
* Social Stigmatization
* Self-censorship
* Restrictions: what do they mean in practice?
* Medical exemptions
* Work
* Enforcement
* Restaurants, cafes, bars
* A word of warning


Now all you pro-Corona-pass peeps.... think about this when you support a Covid pass and imagine what could happen once this has been instrumentalized and gradually accepted.

Think what might become possible if a different government then your current one comes to power. What other restirictions could they impose on you?

No matter what your oppinion about Covid-19 is, we all should not want a tool like this in the hands of our governments.

I call BS. Why ya'll acting like this crap is brand new and has never been done before? Stop acting Cray, Cray.

There are all kinds of mandates already in place.


You have to be vaccinated (and I'm NOT talking about the covid vax) to get into day-cares, school, college, certain jobs.

There are bans on smoking, drinking.


Rules about operating a motor vehicle, banning those under the age of 16 from driving. There are rules for the roads.


Everyone has lost their minds over the covid deal. Oh dear...our rights are being taken away because we have to wear a mask.


Our rights are being taken away because nobody would get the vax which in turn is making the governments demand they get the vax. Yet, people will stand in line for the Flu vax, they will demand they get the shingles vax, cut your hand or foot deep, and need stitched up, chances are you'll get the tetanus booster.




You just made it very apparent that you didn't read the article.

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Reply #4 posted 09/23/21 8:48am

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I did and one thing stood out, the part about transportation: all forms of public transport may require a pass if political leaders can figure out a way how to make it workable.
[Edited 9/23/21 8:49am]
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger tool than I am.
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Reply #5 posted 09/23/21 2:43pm

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Yeah the virulant disease for now warrants control because half the poeple are just not smart enough to keep the boat afloat.

BUT the good news is that projections show the virus losing power over time, so all this might soon be moot until the next pandemic of a new thing.

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Reply #6 posted 09/23/21 7:58pm

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SantanaMaitreya said:

I did and one thing stood out, the part about transportation: all forms of public transport may require a pass if political leaders can figure out a way how to make it workable. [Edited 9/23/21 8:49am]

I told everyone this months ago.

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Reply #7 posted 09/23/21 11:38pm

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ufoclub said:

Yeah the virulant disease for now warrants control because half the poeple are just not smart enough to keep the boat afloat.


That's the most stupid comment I've read.


BUT the good news is that projections show the virus losing power over time, so all this might soon be moot until the next pandemic of a new thing.


That has been known for ages now.
Comprehensively described in Edgar Hope-Simpsons book "The Transmission of Epidemic Influenza" from 1992.

In order to survive (hello evolution!), aerogeneous viruses become more virtulent and less deadly when the mutate.

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Reply #8 posted 09/24/21 1:15am

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TweetyV6 said:


BUT the good news is that projections show the virus losing power over time, so all this might soon be moot until the next pandemic of a new thing.


That has been known for ages now.
Comprehensively described in Edgar Hope-Simpsons book "The Transmission of Epidemic Influenza" from 1992.

In order to survive (hello evolution!), aerogeneous viruses become more virtulent and less deadly when the mutate.


In theory, yes. But the polybasic furin cleavage site (insert) in SARS-CoV-2 is a bitch to shift. Its ability to clip/cleave has only increased with the PRRA amino acid sequence becoming a RRRA.

That's how we got the Delta variant and the super transmissiblity. So if the virus doesn't seem like it's going anywhere, then we've got to hope it becomes less virulent, deadly over time. (in context of viruses virulent means the same as deadly). The contagion of the virus means it will never vanish into the ether. Hopefully it will just become another common cold corona virus, of which there are already four.


[Edited 9/24/21 1:21am]

The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - this is where all religions fall down.
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Reply #9 posted 09/24/21 7:15am

ufoclub

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TweetyV6 said:

ufoclub said:

Yeah the virulant disease for now warrants control because half the poeple are just not smart enough to keep the boat afloat.


That's the most stupid comment I've read.


BUT the good news is that projections show the virus losing power over time, so all this might soon be moot until the next pandemic of a new thing.


That has been known for ages now.
Comprehensively described in Edgar Hope-Simpsons book "The Transmission of Epidemic Influenza" from 1992.

In order to survive (hello evolution!), aerogeneous viruses become more virtulent and less deadly when the mutate.


Finding the truth stupid is suspect.

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Reply #10 posted 09/29/21 5:57am

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"As the Biden administration pushes to mandate vaccines for every worker, vaccine ID cards will become an integral part of the rest of the pandemic, however long it lasts. Workers will need one to remain employed or allowed to work. Yet previously, Democrats argued asking for IDs was racist because many minorities were somehow unable to obtain a government-issued ID.



But all these hurdles seem to vanish miraculously when it comes to getting vaccination IDs.


Keep in mind, the notion that somehow people were not able to obtain a government-issued ID was always complete hogwash. Moreover, it was even more ridiculous to assume that it was much harder for people of color to get valid IDs. The only people who do not have IDs are those who choose not to get them, just as those who have not been vaccinated are those who have chosen not to be.

That said, even if this were a legitimate barrier, the methodology used to distribute vaccine IDs could be replicated for voter IDs. As with vaccines, there are already existing places where one can go to get a government-issued ID. Government officials organized people to go door-to-door to help register people for vaccines. No such initiative exists for IDs, but it could.


And the fact that it was done for vaccines shows that it could be done for voter IDs. The reason it hasn't is because government officials choose not to do it."

Vaccine IDs expose Democr... (msn.com)

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"As the Biden administration pushes to mandate vaccines for every worker, vaccine ID cards will become an integral part of the rest of the pandemic, however long it lasts. Workers will need one to remain employed or allowed to work. Yet previously, Democrats argued asking for IDs was racist because many minorities were somehow unable to obtain a government-issued ID.




But all these hurdles seem to vanish miraculously when it comes to getting vaccination IDs.



Keep in mind, the notion that somehow people were not able to obtain a government-issued ID was always complete hogwash. Moreover, it was even more ridiculous to assume that it was much harder for people of color to get valid IDs. The only people who do not have IDs are those who choose not to get them, just as those who have not been vaccinated are those who have chosen not to be.


That said, even if this were a legitimate barrier, the methodology used to distribute vaccine IDs could be replicated for voter IDs. As with vaccines, there are already existing places where one can go to get a government-issued ID. Government officials organized people to go door-to-door to help register people for vaccines. No such initiative exists for IDs, but it could.



And the fact that it was done for vaccines shows that it could be done for voter IDs. The reason it hasn't is because government officials choose not to do it."




Vaccine IDs expose Democr... (msn.com)



Here’s the difference between an ID for voting and those for vaccinations:

In many locations, to obtain the acceptable form of ID for voting often requires a fee. Therefore, if the only acceptable ID has a price, that means that an individual essentially has to pay to vote. Which then is fundamentally a Poll Tax, which (supposedly) was eliminated by the Voting Rights Act. Every American citizen should have the right to cast a ballot, free of charge.

On the other hand, vaccinations are free (In fact, many places, including New York, are PAYING people to take the shots !) Therefore, a Vaccine ID costs absolutely nothing, and in some cases, those getting the vaccine made a profit.
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Reply #12 posted 09/29/21 4:40pm

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jjhunsecker said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

"As the Biden administration pushes to mandate vaccines for every worker, vaccine ID cards will become an integral part of the rest of the pandemic, however long it lasts. Workers will need one to remain employed or allowed to work. Yet previously, Democrats argued asking for IDs was racist because many minorities were somehow unable to obtain a government-issued ID.



But all these hurdles seem to vanish miraculously when it comes to getting vaccination IDs.


Keep in mind, the notion that somehow people were not able to obtain a government-issued ID was always complete hogwash. Moreover, it was even more ridiculous to assume that it was much harder for people of color to get valid IDs. The only people who do not have IDs are those who choose not to get them, just as those who have not been vaccinated are those who have chosen not to be.

That said, even if this were a legitimate barrier, the methodology used to distribute vaccine IDs could be replicated for voter IDs. As with vaccines, there are already existing places where one can go to get a government-issued ID. Government officials organized people to go door-to-door to help register people for vaccines. No such initiative exists for IDs, but it could.


And the fact that it was done for vaccines shows that it could be done for voter IDs. The reason it hasn't is because government officials choose not to do it."

Vaccine IDs expose Democr... (msn.com)

Here’s the difference between an ID for voting and those for vaccinations: In many locations, to obtain the acceptable form of ID for voting often requires a fee. Therefore, if the only acceptable ID has a price, that means that an individual essentially has to pay to vote. Which then is fundamentally a Poll Tax, which (supposedly) was eliminated by the Voting Rights Act. Every American citizen should have the right to cast a ballot, free of charge. On the other hand, vaccinations are free (In fact, many places, including New York, are PAYING people to take the shots !) Therefore, a Vaccine ID costs absolutely nothing, and in some cases, those getting the vaccine made a profit.

Very true! I have to pay for my ID, and if it gets lost or stolen, I have to pay for it again.

Not once have I heard anyone saying they were charged for the vax, their Insurance isn't even charged for the vax.

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Reply #13 posted 09/30/21 5:03am

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PennyPurple said:

jjhunsecker said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Here’s the difference between an ID for voting and those for vaccinations: In many locations, to obtain the acceptable form of ID for voting often requires a fee. Therefore, if the only acceptable ID has a price, that means that an individual essentially has to pay to vote. Which then is fundamentally a Poll Tax, which (supposedly) was eliminated by the Voting Rights Act. Every American citizen should have the right to cast a ballot, free of charge. On the other hand, vaccinations are free (In fact, many places, including New York, are PAYING people to take the shots !) Therefore, a Vaccine ID costs absolutely nothing, and in some cases, those getting the vaccine made a profit.

Very true! I have to pay for my ID, and if it gets lost or stolen, I have to pay for it again.

Not once have I heard anyone saying they were charged for the vax, their Insurance isn't even charged for the vax.

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The author of the article in their need to make it against the party they don't support is also making a false equivalence - The issuing of the vax certicate is the easiest part of the process - the reason it is so easy is that they will have already identified the person and vaccinated them twice (for most vaccines) with the right spacing between the vaccinations and added this properly to the patient's records.

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It is simply not an equivalent process to a voter id process that is part of a set of methods to make it difficult or inconvenient to vote, especially in the city in the hopes that it will discourage people from voting.

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Reply #14 posted 09/30/21 1:47pm

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I WANT to be divided from those who have Covid, especially those who have chosen to be unvaccinated and even unmasked
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Reply #15 posted 09/30/21 3:32pm

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jjhunsecker said:

I WANT to be divided from those who have Covid, especially those who have chosen to be unvaccinated and even unmasked


Right on! And, they can see stay away from the hospitals too.
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Reply #16 posted 09/30/21 5:03pm

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Empress said:

jjhunsecker said:
I WANT to be divided from those who have Covid, especially those who have chosen to be unvaccinated and even unmasked
Right on! And, they can see stay away from the hospitals too.

Oh no, they are the ones who are filling the hospitals up and hogging the vents.

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Reply #17 posted 10/01/21 5:19am

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PennyPurple said:

Empress said:

jjhunsecker said: Right on! And, they can see stay away from the hospitals too.

Oh no, they are the ones who are filling the hospitals up and hogging the vents.

Yes, that's what I meant. I'm so tired of hearing about these folks and how they cry, pray and repent before they're hooked up to the ventilator. Not much at that point will save them, so just get the damn vaccine and let us all get back to our lives.

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Reply #18 posted 10/01/21 9:30am

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Covid is going down, wonder how that is happening, hmm? lol

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #19 posted 10/01/21 12:07pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Covid is going down, wonder how that is happening, hmm? lol



In New York and Los Angeles cases have dropped dramatically...
Can we all say “MANDATES “ ???
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Reply #20 posted 10/01/21 10:00pm

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Big development in Covid world today...



The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - this is where all religions fall down.
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Reply #21 posted 10/03/21 10:02am

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Obesity is a big risk factor for Covid mortality. Three big causes of obesity. Excess sugar consumption. Excess fat consumption. Lack of exercise/sedantary lifestyle.
Of those, sugar is increasingly pinpointed as the single biggest cause. Lower your sugar intake over time, lower your fat, exercise more, and the evidence says you will have a easier time of it, should you get infected.
This probably also applies to everyone, not just the obese, as excess sugar is known to weaken the body's immune system.
Notice also, only COPD conditions in the area of respiratory illnesses confer higher risk of severe illness and death.
It should be noted as well, these are the most common comorbidies, something Ian confused with relative risk factors on the 'Big Covid Spike. Come on asshats get vaccinated' thread. The table here is dealing with absolute risk.
Clearly you don't want to be ill with Covid and Flu at the same time - the mortality rates are high - but this is a relative risk factor and very unlikely to happen.




Table 2. Adjusted Risk Ratios (95% CI) of ICU Admission, IMV, and Death, by Frequent Underlying Medical Conditionsa Among Adults Hospitalized With COVID-19 in Premier Healthcare Database Special COVID-19 Release (PHD-SR), March 2020–March 2021

Underlying Medical Condition (CCSR Category)bDeathIMVICU Admission
Full ModelcRestricted ModeldFull ModelcRestricted ModeldFull ModelcRestricted Modeld
Higher risk of death, IMV, and ICU admissione
Obesity 1.30 (1.27–1.33) 1.37 (1.34–1.41) 1.50 (1.46–1.54) 1.62 (1.58–1.67) 1.16 (1.14–1.18) 1.20 (1.18–1.23)
Anxiety and fear-related disorders 1.28 (1.25–1.31) 1.29 (1.26–1.32) 1.37 (1.34–1.40) 1.38 (1.34–1.41) 1.14 (1.13–1.16) 1.16 (1.14–1.18)
Diabetes with complication 1.26 (1.24–1.28) 1.44 (1.41–1.46) 1.43 (1.40–1.46) 1.63 (1.59–1.66) 1.16 (1.15–1.18) 1.24 (1.21–1.26)
Chronic kidney disease 1.21 (1.19–1.24) 1.52 (1.49–1.55) 1.08 (1.05–1.11) 1.46 (1.43–1.50) 1.03 (1.02–1.04) 1.18 (1.16–1.20)
Neurocognitive disorders 1.18 (1.15–1.21) 1.19 (1.16–1.21) 1.00 (0.97–1.03) 1.01 (0.98–1.04) 1.04 (1.03–1.06) 1.05 (1.03–1.07)
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and bronchiectasis 1.18 (1.16–1.20) 1.27 (1.24–1.29) 1.18 (1.16–1.21) 1.30 (1.27–1.33) 1.09 (1.08–1.10) 1.14 (1.12–1.16)
Aplastic anemia 1.17 (1.14–1.19) 1.46 (1.42–1.49) 1.21 (1.18–1.25) 1.49 (1.45–1.53) 1.11 (1.09–1.12) 1.21 (1.19–1.24)
Coronary atherosclerosis and other heart disease 1.14 (1.12–1.16) 1.28 (1.26–1.30) 1.10 (1.08–1.12) 1.27 (1.25–1.30) 1.08 (1.06–1.09) 1.15 (1.13–1.17)
Thyroid disorders 1.04 (1.02–1.06) 1.10 (1.08–1.12) 1.05 (1.03–1.07) 1.12 (1.09–1.14) 1.04 (1.03–1.05) 1.07 (1.06–1.08)
Lower risk or nonsignificant difference in the risk of death, IMV, and ICU admissione
Diabetes without complication 0.94 (0.91–0.97) 0.88 (0.85–0.90) 0.91 (0.88–0.94) 0.91 (0.87–0.94) 0.98 (0.97–0.998) 0.98 (0.97–0.99)
Essential hypertension 0.92 (0.90–0.93) 0.83 (0.81–0.84) 0.94 (0.92–0.95) 0.90 (0.88–0.91) 0.99 (0.97–0.999) 0.97 (0.96–0.99)
Disorders of lipid metabolism 0.94 (0.92–0.95) 1.07 (1.05–1.09) 0.96 (0.94–0.98) 1.13 (1.11–1.16) 0.99 (0.98–1.00) 1.07 (1.05–1.09)
Sleep–wake disorders 0.94 (0.92–0.96) 1.12 (1.10–1.14) 1.00 (0.98–1.03) 1.27 (1.23–1.30) 0.99 (0.98–1.01) 1.10 (1.08–1.12)
Esophageal disorders 0.96 (0.94–0.97) 1.03 (1.02–1.05) 0.95 (0.93–0.96) 1.05 (1.02–1.07) 0.98 (0.97–0.99) 1.03 (1.01–1.05)
Depressive disorders 0.89 (0.87–0.90) 1.04 (1.02–1.06) 0.86 (0.84–0.88) 1.04 (1.02–1.07) 0.96 (0.94–0.97) 1.05 (1.03–1.07)
Osteoarthritis 0.91 (0.90–0.93) 1.00 (0.98–1.02) 0.88 (0.86–0.90) 1.00 (0.97–1.02) 0.95 (0.93–0.97) 1.01 (0.98–1.03)
Implant device or graft related encounter 0.98 (0.97–1.00) 1.09 (1.08–1.11) 0.91 (0.89–0.93) 1.04 (1.02–1.07) 0.98 (0.96–0.99) 1.04 (1.02–1.06)
Asthma 0.91 (0.89–0.94) 0.95 (0.93–0.97) 0.96 (0.94–0.99) 1.03 (1.01–1.06) 1.01 (0.99–1.02) 1.04 (1.02–1.05)
No. of observations 540,667 540,667 506,288 506,288 523,088 523,088


https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/i...1_0123.htm

The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.

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Reply #22 posted 10/03/21 1:21pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:

It should be noted as well, these are the most common comorbidies, something Ian confused with relative risk factors on the 'Big Covid Spike. Come on asshats get vaccinated' thread. The table here is dealing with absolute risk.

Clearly you don't want to be ill with Covid and Flu at the same time - the mortality rates are high - but this is a relative risk factor and very unlikely to happen.

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trolls

It should be noted that this is a troll to resurrect an old thread from a person that just cannot let anything go. It is a deliberate mischaracterisation of what I said to troll for more

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What I said in the that closed thread was about cause of death, not common comorbities or relative risk factors - listed actual, official causes of death as assessed by medical professionals. In this the CDC stated that listed comorbidities for covid deaths were:

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Flu/pneumonia 283,983 46.3%
Respiratory Failure 238,371 38.8%
Hypertension Disease 119,842 19.5%
Diabetes 97,381 15.9%
Cariac Arrest 74,343 12.1%
Ischaemic heart disease 66,804 10.9%
ARDS 64,313 10.5%
Renal failure 62,230 10.1%
Sepsis 59,365 9.7%
Vascular/unspecified dementia 58,139 9.5%

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IanRG said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

It should be noted as well, these are the most common comorbidies, something Ian confused with relative risk factors on the 'Big Covid Spike. Come on asshats get vaccinated' thread. The table here is dealing with absolute risk.

Clearly you don't want to be ill with Covid and Flu at the same time - the mortality rates are high - but this is a relative risk factor and very unlikely to happen.

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trolls

It should be noted that this is a troll to resurrect an old thread from a person that just cannot let anything go. It is a deliberate mischaracterisation of what I said to troll for more

.

What I said in the that closed thread was about cause of death, not common comorbities or relative risk factors - listed actual, official causes of death as assessed by medical professionals. In this the CDC stated that listed comorbidities for covid deaths were:

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Flu/pneumonia 283,983 46.3%
Respiratory Failure 238,371 38.8%
Hypertension Disease 119,842 19.5%
Diabetes 97,381 15.9%
Cariac Arrest 74,343 12.1%
Ischaemic heart disease 66,804 10.9%
ARDS 64,313 10.5%
Renal failure 62,230 10.1%
Sepsis 59,365 9.7%
Vascular/unspecified dementia 58,139 9.5%

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You always resort to calling me a troll when on the wrong side of the argument. This is what you actually said from the other thread #1367

IanRg said:

Then explain why the most common comordities are respiratory related.

The correlation between covid deaths and obesity is just that the margins of survivability from any serious disease are most often significantly tighter if you are less healthy - Other than this there is no connection between the disease and the condition.


You can play your normal semantic games all you like, the comorbidity list you referred to in above table doesn't take into account the overall prevalence rate across the whole population. As such, they are not the most common comorbidities associated with Covid.

By contrast, the table I drew upon in post #21 list the genuine common comorbidies, in which respiratory related illnesses do not play a very significant part.



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The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - this is where all religions fall down.
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Reply #24 posted 10/03/21 6:32pm

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You always resort to calling me a troll when on the wrong side of the argument. This is what you actually said from the other thread #1367

IanRg said:

Then explain why the most common comordities are respiratory related.

The correlation between covid deaths and obesity is just that the margins of survivability from any serious disease are most often significantly tighter if you are less healthy - Other than this there is no connection between the disease and the condition.


You can play your normal semantic games all you like, the comorbidity list you referred to in above table doesn't take into account the overall prevalence rate across the whole population. As such, they are not the most common comorbidities associated with Covid.

By contrast, the table I drew upon in post #21 list the genuine common comorbidies, in which respiratory related illnesses do not play a very significant part.



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I always resort to calling a troll, a troll because they only ever troll.

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You are being deliberately deceptive in what you are quoting - I made it crystal clear that I was ALWAYS AND ONLY talking about comordities listed as a cause of death for people that have died from Covid 19. You lied when you made up things I never said.

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No matter how many time you lie, twist and seek to make up things I never said, it does not change the facts directly from the CDC that respiratory comorbidities ARE listed as the top two comorbidities that, together with Covid 19 killed people - not just the top two reasons, but around two times or more as likely to be listed as cause of death together with covid. It is you who is playing semantics.

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I completely stand by the findings of the CDC and Health care professionals - being obese for younger people is a key way of weakening your ability to fight many diseases and conditions - but for many conditions including covid, this is just a correlation by reduced margins of survivability - Nothing you have posted proves or even postulates anything but this correlation.

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I will not reply to you again. Please have the integrity to not lie and misrepresent what I have said anymore.

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The topic here is about vaccination passports - you are off-topic in your desperation to troll people.

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That's why Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and several activists showed their disappointment in James' silence regarding vaccination. According to them, The King had an obligation to speak up and encourage vaccination, being one of the faces of the NBA.

James faced some backlash regarding his decision not to engage in controversial debates, especially considering how vocal he had been on several issues in the past

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That's a conversation my family and I will have," he said in March. "I'll keep that to a private thing. My recommendation, my strong recommendation, not just to our players, but based on all the information I have, is that people should get vaccinated. But I recognize that these are individual decisions. I haven't been vaccinated yet, but I will, as soon as it is my turn."

But after Kareem and some people called him out, it seems like James felt like he had to clear the air on his status and let the world know that he had, in fact, taken the COVID-19 vaccine at some point:

“After doing my research and things of that nature, I felt like it was best suited not only for me, but for my family and for my friends, and that’s why I decided to do it,” said James, as quoted by the New York Post.

Enes Kanter Says He's Disappointed In LeBron James

Even so, that wasn't enough to silence his critics. Boston Celtics big man Enes Kanter recently criticized him, saying that he was disappointed in his "ridiculous" comments about the vaccine being a personal choice:

NBA player blasts LeBron ... (msn.com)

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I WANT to be divided from those who have Covid, especially those who have chosen to be unvaccinated and even unmasked

They just don’t ‘get it’ until they end up in the hospital with covid-19. You just have to shake your heads at the ‘unvaccinated’ experts who are the ones promoting the fear.

I wonder how many of them had childhood immunization shots.
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jjhunsecker said:

I WANT to be divided from those who have Covid, especially those who have chosen to be unvaccinated and even unmasked

They just don’t ‘get it’ until they end up in the hospital with covid-19. You just have to shake your heads at the ‘unvaccinated’ experts who are the ones promoting the fear.

I wonder how many of them had childhood immunization shots.
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I would say about 98%. But that was never political
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Reply #28 posted 10/06/21 7:41am

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If people feel divided, it means they're not willing to cooperate for a better life/future together.

The pass is for those who want to feel safe, together!

Those who were willing and able to act resposible for a simple matter tbh.

Within a few years, this deadly Covid-19 will turn into just a flu.

Like all these type of virusses eventually do.

But only thanks to those who were ready to cooperate, and killed the bitch slowly.

Talking about slowly, this shit pandemict will remain as long as those who refuse to take their resposibility and be part of a solution.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
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Reply #29 posted 10/06/21 12:51pm

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Vannormal said:

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If people feel divided, it means they're not willing to cooperate for a better life/future together.

The pass is for those who want to feel safe, together!

Those who were willing and able to act resposible for a simple matter tbh.

Within a few years, this deadly Covid-19 will turn into just a flu.

Like all these type of virusses eventually do.

But only thanks to those who were ready to cooperate, and killed the bitch slowly.

Talking about slowly, this shit pandemict will remain as long as those who refuse to take their resposibility and be part of a solution.

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And that is the point.

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As the "ultimate instrument to divide your population", a vaccine certificate is a wimpy failure. It will only temporarily separate those who have acted to be part of the solution from those who are making this a political issue rather than a pandemic. Rather than the system deciding who is in or out, you make your own decision if you want to be in or out (excpet for those with genuine medical reasons to not get vaccinated). Rather than creating a class difference, once the pandemic goes back to normal, so will the need for processes to manage the pandemic.

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