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The Making of the Modern Male 2001 and OTHER Male/Female discussion pt 2

Is this what Asian women want? Korean Chinese Japanese Laotian woman?

Is this what women want from men?

Or was Time mag trying to push men to be less men? Was this around the time of the now defunct 'Metrosexual' term?

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Reply #1 posted 09/03/21 11:27am

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Prince did this for decades.

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Empress said:

Prince did this for decades.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong for the individual, but is this what women want from men/or the modern male

and for any Asian women on the board, is this what Asian women want from men?

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I can't speak for all women but I'm not personally into it. And I'm bisexual. But I prefer "manly" men and "feminine" women. I don't personally like any blurring of the lines. But that's just my opinion.


This magazine story seems to be specifically about Asia though. And I do have to point out that when I went to Tokyo on my honeymoon there were billboards up all over with male models (they could have been popstars or whatever, I couldn't read what it said) who wore heavy make-up and looked very feminine.
We also went into a place called a "Host Club" (I think it was called Cruise) where they have a bunch of young male model types there that you talk to. And pretty much all of them looked exactly like the guys on the billboards. Make-up, hairspray, the works.

So I guess that it's more of a cultural thing. Asian women must like it otherwise the men wouldn't be doing it.
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Reply #4 posted 09/03/21 12:40pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Is this what Asian women want? Korean Chinese Japanese Laotian woman?

Is this what women want from men?

Or was Time mag trying to push men to be less men? Was this around the time of the now defunct 'Metrosexual' term?


That logic is flawed and stupid.

To say a man is "less of a man" because he wears makeup, or dresses nice or whatever is draconian at best. Are men just expected to be schlubs and slouches for the course of their life, only to have women or anyone else bark at them for being a slob, a slouch, a Shrek? Or are men supposed to be desexualized and in a blue shirt and khakis for the rest of their lives? It's hypocritical.

Being a man is doing what you want, not hurting anyone in the process, and not giving a fat shit about what anyone thinks about you. (Same goes for women, of course.) You take care of your shit, you help those who need it, you stick up and step in for those who need it, you become a leader and a follower, knowing when to help and when to just support.

It's some macho bullshit to think doing something else is "less manly." According to whose standards?

Prince fucked how many women, and wore how much makeup during all of it?! And heels. And lace. And women's clothes. And challenged what we thought about gender and sexuality? Was he less of a man? Probably not.

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U'd take any one boy or girl?"


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Reply #5 posted 09/03/21 3:14pm

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I can't speak for all women but I'm not personally into it. And I'm bisexual. But I prefer "manly" men and "feminine" women. I don't personally like any blurring of the lines. But that's just my opinion. This magazine story seems to be specifically about Asia though. And I do have to point out that when I went to Tokyo on my honeymoon there were billboards up all over with male models (they could have been popstars or whatever, I couldn't read what it said) who wore heavy make-up and looked very feminine. We also went into a place called a "Host Club" (I think it was called Cruise) where they have a bunch of young male model types there that you talk to. And pretty much all of them looked exactly like the guys on the billboards. Make-up, hairspray, the works. So I guess that it's more of a cultural thing. Asian women must like it otherwise the men wouldn't be doing it.

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And a place and time thing - Pink was a colour for men till fairly recently and rich enough men in the Rennaissance used far more makeup, frills and dresses than your young Asian man going out for the night in 2000.

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OldFriends4Sale said:



Is this what Asian women want? Korean Chinese Japanese Laotian woman?

Is this what women want from men?



Or was Time mag trying to push men to be less men? Was this around the time of the now defunct 'Metrosexual' term?





That logic is flawed and stupid.

To say a man is "less of a man" because he wears makeup, or dresses nice or whatever is draconian at best. Are men just expected to be schlubs and slouches for the course of their life, only to have women or anyone else bark at them for being a slob, a slouch, a Shrek? Or are men supposed to be desexualized and in a blue shirt and khakis for the rest of their lives? It's hypocritical.

Being a man is doing what you want, not hurting anyone in the process, and not giving a fat shit about what anyone thinks about you. (Same goes for women, of course.) You take care of your shit, you help those who need it, you stick up and step in for those who need it, you become a leader and a follower, knowing when to help and when to just support.

It's some macho bullshit to think doing something else is "less manly." According to whose standards?

Prince fucked how many women, and wore how much makeup during all of it?! And heels. And lace. And women's clothes. And challenged what we thought about gender and sexuality? Was he less of a man? Probably not.

"Have U ever wanted 2 play with someone so much
U'd take any one boy or girl?"




And how many women did Jagger fuck ? Or Bowie? Or Marc Bolan ?
Even Freddie Mercury banged a good deal of ladies before he went strictly for the laddies
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IanRG said:



EmmaMcG said:


I can't speak for all women but I'm not personally into it. And I'm bisexual. But I prefer "manly" men and "feminine" women. I don't personally like any blurring of the lines. But that's just my opinion. This magazine story seems to be specifically about Asia though. And I do have to point out that when I went to Tokyo on my honeymoon there were billboards up all over with male models (they could have been popstars or whatever, I couldn't read what it said) who wore heavy make-up and looked very feminine. We also went into a place called a "Host Club" (I think it was called Cruise) where they have a bunch of young male model types there that you talk to. And pretty much all of them looked exactly like the guys on the billboards. Make-up, hairspray, the works. So I guess that it's more of a cultural thing. Asian women must like it otherwise the men wouldn't be doing it.

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And a place and time thing - Pink was a colour for men till fairly recently and rich enough men in the Rennaissance used far more makeup, frills and dresses than your young Asian man going out for the night in 2000.



Pink was Elvis’s favorite color. And who’s going to question Elvis????
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And how many women did Jagger fuck ? Or Bowie? Or Marc Bolan ? Even Freddie Mercury banged a good deal of ladies before he went strictly for the laddies


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jjhunsecker said:

IanRG said:



EmmaMcG said:


I can't speak for all women but I'm not personally into it. And I'm bisexual. But I prefer "manly" men and "feminine" women. I don't personally like any blurring of the lines. But that's just my opinion. This magazine story seems to be specifically about Asia though. And I do have to point out that when I went to Tokyo on my honeymoon there were billboards up all over with male models (they could have been popstars or whatever, I couldn't read what it said) who wore heavy make-up and looked very feminine. We also went into a place called a "Host Club" (I think it was called Cruise) where they have a bunch of young male model types there that you talk to. And pretty much all of them looked exactly like the guys on the billboards. Make-up, hairspray, the works. So I guess that it's more of a cultural thing. Asian women must like it otherwise the men wouldn't be doing it.

.


And a place and time thing - Pink was a colour for men till fairly recently and rich enough men in the Rennaissance used far more makeup, frills and dresses than your young Asian man going out for the night in 2000.



Pink was Elvis’s favorite color. And who’s going to question Elvis????


Don't mind Elvis! If pink is good enough for Bret Hart then it should be good enough for any other man. And NOBODY is going to argue with "The Hitman".
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EmmaMcG said:

jjhunsecker said:
Pink was Elvis’s favorite color. And who’s going to question Elvis????
Don't mind Elvis! If pink is good enough for Bret Hart then it should be good enough for any other man. And NOBODY is going to argue with "The Hitman".

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And don't forgot about Jesse Johnson! wink

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EmmaMcG said:


jjhunsecker said:
Pink was Elvis’s favorite color. And who’s going to question Elvis????

Don't mind Elvis! If pink is good enough for Bret Hart then it should be good enough for any other man. And NOBODY is going to argue with "The Hitman".

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And don't forgot about Jesse Johnson! wink



Jesse Johnson is good. But he's not The Best There Is, The Best There Was And The Best There Ever Will Be, is he?


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Reply #12 posted 09/07/21 11:46am

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As Prince said

When the lines blur every boy and girl
How we gonna make it in this brave new world?
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TruthBomb said:

As Prince said

When the lines blur every boy and girl
How we gonna make it in this brave new world?



As Prince said

Now where I come from
We don't let society tell us how it's supposed to be
Our clothes, our hair, we don't care
It's all about being there
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As Prince said When the lines blur every boy and girl How we gonna make it in this brave new world?

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That is a reference to Brave New World and enforced standardisation. it is the complete opposite of allowing people the freedom to choose how they look and to breakdown stereotypes. It is about forced changes that could get to the point where we loose our own identities - not choose our own identities.

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TrivialPursuit said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Is this what Asian women want? Korean Chinese Japanese Laotian woman?

Is this what women want from men?

Or was Time mag trying to push men to be less men? Was this around the time of the now defunct 'Metrosexual' term?


That logic is flawed and stupid.

To say a man is "less of a man" because he wears makeup, or dresses nice or whatever is draconian at best. Are men just expected to be schlubs and slouches for the course of their life, only to have women or anyone else bark at them for being a slob, a slouch, a Shrek? Or are men supposed to be desexualized and in a blue shirt and khakis for the rest of their lives? It's hypocritical.

Being a man is doing what you want, not hurting anyone in the process, and not giving a fat shit about what anyone thinks about you. (Same goes for women, of course.) You take care of your shit, you help those who need it, you stick up and step in for those who need it, you become a leader and a follower, knowing when to help and when to just support.

It's some macho bullshit to think doing something else is "less manly." According to whose standards?

Prince fucked how many women, and wore how much makeup during all of it?! And heels. And lace. And women's clothes. And challenged what we thought about gender and sexuality? Was he less of a man? Probably not.

"Have U ever wanted 2 play with someone so much
U'd take any one boy or girl?"


Well first of all, it' a question, it's just an opening for discussion, about Asian women/men/culture etc

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My dad never wore makeup and he was never a slob and dressed to the 9s

Also, to direct that at men, when MANY women see/feel things are less manly, what is that called? It isn't 'macho bullshit' what is it feme bullshit? I suspect women define evenmoreso what they think is manly/mascline It was women that defined what METROSEXUAL was/is

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Personally I don't care for much make up on women either. There is a whole thing behind the use of makeup in general. And overall I don't care if a man uses a degree of makeup

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and please I've had enough of the 'Prince' comparisons' There are a lot of women who are fans of Prince who were not attracted to him because of that stuff as well. And it isn't about fucking. finding someone attactive doesn't have to be about SEX
And I know there is a difference between using make up for tv/movies/camera etc

Prince did allude to having a female in him during Oprah's interview, so that might make him less man idk. In 2014 or 2015 he also said he didn't like wearing that stuff anymore... so

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And that song line, has nothing to do with the topic.

And lastly I'm asking about Asian culture(s) read the mag cover heading again

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The question again, was overall asking about the is this what ASIAN women wanted.

But yeah we can open it up.

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A ‘Masculinity Crisis’? China Says the Boys Are Not All Right

The Education Ministry plans to beef up gym classes after a top official said female teachers and pop culture had made boys “weak, inferior and timid.”

Feb. 5, 2021

HONG KONG — Government officials in China believe that boys are getting more effeminate and want to toughen them up.

In the latest attempt to tackle what academics and news outlets call a “masculinity crisis,” the Education Ministry has proposed emphasizing the “spirit of yang,” or male attributes, by hiring more sports instructors and redesigning physical education classes in elementary and secondary schools.

The plan, a response to a top official’s call to “prevent the feminization of male youths,” was released last week. It included no timeline and few other details, but it prompted an outcry online and is still stirring fierce debate on social media. One hashtag has been viewed 1.5 billion times on Weibo, a popular microblogging platform.

Some social media users expressed support for the proposal, with one writing, “It’s hard to imagine such effeminate boys can defend their country when an outside invasion looms.” But others saw evidence of sexual discrimination and the perpetuation of gender stereotypes.

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A ‘Masculinity Crisis...times.com)

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EmmaMcG said:

I can't speak for all women but I'm not personally into it. And I'm bisexual. But I prefer "manly" men and "feminine" women. I don't personally like any blurring of the lines. But that's just my opinion. This magazine story seems to be specifically about Asia though. And I do have to point out that when I went to Tokyo on my honeymoon there were billboards up all over with male models (they could have been popstars or whatever, I couldn't read what it said) who wore heavy make-up and looked very feminine. We also went into a place called a "Host Club" (I think it was called Cruise) where they have a bunch of young male model types there that you talk to. And pretty much all of them looked exactly like the guys on the billboards. Make-up, hairspray, the works. So I guess that it's more of a cultural thing. Asian women must like it otherwise the men wouldn't be doing it.

Right, the question is mostly asking about Asian culture(s)

I've seen a lot of Anime stuff where the men are made to blurr the lines. Not the women so much

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jjhunsecker said:

TrivialPursuit said:


That logic is flawed and stupid.

To say a man is "less of a man" because he wears makeup, or dresses nice or whatever is draconian at best. Are men just expected to be schlubs and slouches for the course of their life, only to have women or anyone else bark at them for being a slob, a slouch, a Shrek? Or are men supposed to be desexualized and in a blue shirt and khakis for the rest of their lives? It's hypocritical.

Being a man is doing what you want, not hurting anyone in the process, and not giving a fat shit about what anyone thinks about you. (Same goes for women, of course.) You take care of your shit, you help those who need it, you stick up and step in for those who need it, you become a leader and a follower, knowing when to help and when to just support.

It's some macho bullshit to think doing something else is "less manly." According to whose standards?

Prince fucked how many women, and wore how much makeup during all of it?! And heels. And lace. And women's clothes. And challenged what we thought about gender and sexuality? Was he less of a man? Probably not.

"Have U ever wanted 2 play with someone so much
U'd take any one boy or girl?"


And how many women did Jagger fuck ? Or Bowie? Or Marc Bolan ? Even Freddie Mercury banged a good deal of ladies before he went strictly for the laddies

The topic is about Asian culture and/or ideals of attraction not 'fucking'

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OldFriends4Sale said:

jjhunsecker said:

TrivialPursuit said: And how many women did Jagger fuck ? Or Bowie? Or Marc Bolan ? Even Freddie Mercury banged a good deal of ladies before he went strictly for the laddies

The topic is about Asian culture and/or ideals of attraction not 'fucking'


You think Asian women are attracted to these modern males because they want to exchange sushi recipes?

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TrivialPursuit said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The topic is about Asian culture and/or ideals of attraction not 'fucking'


You think Asian women are attracted to these modern males because they want to exchange sushi recipes?

Bazinga!!! lol

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jjhunsecker said:


TrivialPursuit said:



That logic is flawed and stupid.

To say a man is "less of a man" because he wears makeup, or dresses nice or whatever is draconian at best. Are men just expected to be schlubs and slouches for the course of their life, only to have women or anyone else bark at them for being a slob, a slouch, a Shrek? Or are men supposed to be desexualized and in a blue shirt and khakis for the rest of their lives? It's hypocritical.

Being a man is doing what you want, not hurting anyone in the process, and not giving a fat shit about what anyone thinks about you. (Same goes for women, of course.) You take care of your shit, you help those who need it, you stick up and step in for those who need it, you become a leader and a follower, knowing when to help and when to just support.

It's some macho bullshit to think doing something else is "less manly." According to whose standards?

Prince fucked how many women, and wore how much makeup during all of it?! And heels. And lace. And women's clothes. And challenged what we thought about gender and sexuality? Was he less of a man? Probably not.

"Have U ever wanted 2 play with someone so much
U'd take any one boy or girl?"




And how many women did Jagger fuck ? Or Bowie? Or Marc Bolan ? Even Freddie Mercury banged a good deal of ladies before he went strictly for the laddies


The topic is about Asian culture and/or ideals of attraction not 'fucking'



My point- and I do have one- is that there are obviously some women who are attracted to men like Jagger and Bowie and Mercury who projected an androgynous and even “feminine” style and persona. It’s not “one size fits all”, with everyone attracted to the same type or looks
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TrivialPursuit said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The topic is about Asian culture and/or ideals of attraction not 'fucking'


You think Asian women are attracted to these modern males because they want to exchange sushi recipes?

The topic isn't about FUCKING

everytime I hear about marriage now it's about friendship or a 'best friend'

might be more about fucking for the Male

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Flowerboys and the appeal of 'soft masculinity' in South Korea

Published 5 September 2018

Young man in Seoul wearing make-up

A man wearing make-up on the street may elicit unwelcome glares, questions about his masculinity and even his sexuality. But in South Korea, ideas about how to look good as a man are changing attitudes and influencing the world, as the BBC's Saira Asher reports.

When the BBC posted a video about the make-up routine of a 16-year-old YouTuber in Seoul on Facebook, the reactions ranged from intrigued to downright vitriolic.

Some assumed this meant he was gay, while others admonished him for his choice saying "real men don't wear make-up". There were, of course, those that argued for his freedom to live life however he pleased and against the "fragile masculinities" on show.

But Kim Seung-hwan is used to it. He says he's been called gay by some Koreans online for as long as he's been doing make-up tutorials.

When asked about whether he thought he looked feminine after he put on make-up, he was confused by the question as if he had never even thought about it.

"No I don't. I do not think about this being a girly look," he says. "It's about looking good."

Young man in Seoul wearing make-up

One man is there for his wedding make-up, a common practice for men in South Korea. He chooses to get red lips for his special day.

"We make their complexion cleaner, eyebrows darker, contour their faces and draw out their masculinity in a way they can't do themselves," says Mr Han. He says men come in wanting to look like their favourite K-pop idols.

In the last few years, K-pop bands and Korean dramas have become the major influence on young people in the country and last year K-pop broke into the mainstream US and UK music scenes.

"I think Korea is a trailblazer in men's beauty culture, definitely in Asia at the moment, if not the world," says Joanna Elfving-Hwang from the University of Western Australia, who has done extensive research on beauty and image in South Korea.

"The way they (K-pop stars) play with masculinity, what it means to be a beautiful man in a heterosexual or non-heterosexual way, it opens up possibilities for men on the street and eventually makes it more acceptable."

K-pop idol features

This doesn't mean every man in Seoul walks around with a full face of make-up.

But in young and fashionable neighbourhoods like Myeong-dong it's common to see men walking around with foundation or BB cream (blemish balm) - a moisturiser and light foundation hybrid.

More importantly it has allowed for a much looser interpretation of what's acceptable for men when it comes to beauty.

And some young Korean men are unapologetic about the drive to enhance their look.

From tough guy to pretty boy

That wasn't always the case. In the 1980s and 90s the salaryman was the prevailing male aesthetic. Suits, luxury watches and a traditional strong male look were the norm. Korea has mandatory national service and that moulded and defined what men thought would look appealing.

"In the 80s and 90s, men in Korean pop content were largely portrayed as tough guys in gangster and detective films, and rebellious young men in some TV dramas," says Sun Jung, the author of Korean Masculinities and Transcultural Consumption.

But all that changed in the mid-1990s when music group Seo Taeji and The Boys came onto the scene, says Prof Elfving-Hwang. They used rap, rock and techno influences and incorporated English language into their music.

They kick-started fan culture which has now become a major force in the music industry, she says.

Then followed the big entertainment companies churning out K-pop girl bands and boy bands, and their influence has been like nothing before it.

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Flowerboys and the appeal...- BBC News

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OldFriends4Sale said:

TrivialPursuit said:


You think Asian women are attracted to these modern males because they want to exchange sushi recipes?

The topic isn't about FUCKING (isn't it, though?)

everytime I hear about marriage now it's about friendship or a 'best friend' (whatcha listening to?)

might be more about fucking for the Male (because women are non-sexual except when men want them to be, I'm guessing)


Feels like it's about men who aren't secure in their own persona and looks. Are we talking about the looks of someone? Has anyone talked about who they are as people? What they accomplish? Their goals? Are we to assume women are stupid enough to think a man is not going to want sex if either pursues a relationship? (See sushi comment.)

It's as much about fucking as it is anything. It's about people just doing what they want. No one's hurting anyone with all this.

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OldFriends4Sale said:




TrivialPursuit said:




You think Asian women are attracted to these modern males because they want to exchange sushi recipes?




The topic isn't about FUCKING (isn't it, though?)



everytime I hear about marriage now it's about friendship or a 'best friend' (whatcha listening to?)



might be more about fucking for the Male (because women are non-sexual except when men want them to be, I'm guessing)




Feels like it's about men who aren't secure in their own persona and looks. Are we talking about the looks of someone? Has anyone talked about who they are as people? What they accomplish? Their goals? Are we to assume women are stupid enough to think a man is not going to want sex if either pursues a relationship? (See sushi comment.)

It's as much about fucking as it is anything. It's about people just doing what they want. No one's hurting anyone with all this.



Exactly.... If these guys are straight (or bi) and they are sleeping with women, then that means that there are at least SOME women who LIKE their look.

And almost everything in life boils down to fucking, in some form or another
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JAYKEEOUT : Asking Girls, Men Wearing Makeup?

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JAYKEEOUT : Asking Girls,... - YouTube

On the streets of Sinchon, I asked the girls "What do you think about men wearing makeup?"

JAYKEEOUT : Asking Girls, Men Wearing Makeup? - YouTube


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Korean men are wearing makeup for that 'chok-chok' look. There's an economic reason why

'Young men are really into their eyebrows, into their hair, and they'll always put on BB cream'

Young June Park, 26, after applying BB cream. He says the goal among most men, including friends who wear makeup or concealer, is to achieve a natural look. (Matt Kwong/CBC)
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It's not about scruffy, or swarthy, or rugged. For men, it's all about that "chok-chok" radiance.

The de rigueur look in South Korea, literally translated as a "dewy" glow, has long been associated with femininity. But a pretty-boy esthetic popularized by K-pop idols is helping to fuel the $7-billion Korean cosmetics industry. Not only is makeup pour homme already mainstream, industry experts say it's only trending upwards.

After parking his car in an alley in Seoul's Songpa district, 26-year-old Young June Park demonstrated his regimen.

He started with a 10,000 won ($12 Cdn) tube of limited-edition Tony Moly tinted BB cream, or "blemish balm." He squirted a dollop onto a pink applicator sponge: "Just a puff," he said. Then he blended with a practiced efficiency using his rear-view mirror.

It's not about scruffy, or swarthy, or rugged. For men, it's all about that "chok-chok" radiance.

The de rigueur look in South Korea, literally translated as a "dewy" glow, has long been associated with femininity. But a pretty-boy esthetic popularized by K-pop idols is helping to fuel the $7-billion Korean cosmetics industry. Not only is makeup pour homme already mainstream, industry experts say it's only trending upwards.

After parking his car in an alley in Seoul's Songpa district, 26-year-old Young June Park demonstrated his regimen.

He started with a 10,000 won ($12 Cdn) tube of limited-edition Tony Moly tinted BB cream, or "blemish balm." He squirted a dollop onto a pink applicator sponge: "Just a puff," he said. Then he blended with a practiced efficiency using his rear-view mirror.

The actor, model and restaurateur said he wears BB cream for job interviews, when hitting the clubs, and definitely on a date. It smoothes his complexion, fills in his pores and protects his face from ultra-violet rays.

Young applies BB cream with a blending sponge in his car. South Korean men are believed to spend the most per capita on cosmetics products of all men in the world. (Matt Kwong/CBC)

Skin care is big business in South Korea, where the K-beauty industry is estimated to be valued at around $7.2 billion, built largely on pricey formulations such as "snail mucin," or purified snail slime.

Millennial men are helping to drive sales and reportedly spending more per capita on skin care than men anywhere else in the world. South Korea accounts for about one-fifth of the global market for male cosmetics.

David Cho, who co-founded the Soko Glam Korean beauty website with his wife Charlotte, said male cosmetics has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Just as "metrosexual" now sounds like an antiquated term for a man who appreciates grooming and fashion, Cho said, it could be a matter of time before the male makeup movement goes outside Asia.

"I do believe men in North America are just behind on this," he said.

The trends in Korea are defying heteronormative expectations in a society sometimes viewed as socially conservative and where traditional gender roles often prevail.

Military service is mandatory for men, and K-beauty is so much a part of the culture that designer camouflage is available to servicemen seeking a gentler product, possibly with skin-tightening properties.

Actor Song Joong-ki, left, shown in a 2016 file photo with actor Song Hye-kyo, is a idol in South Korea and is known for his smooth complexion. (The Associated Press)

Park, scrolling through his phone, recited the names of some popular brands of Army camouflage: "Dandy Guy Perfect Camo Cream," he said. "And this one has some SPF: Extreme Power Camo Cream."

At cosmetics shops around Seoul, men's sections feature posters of male models with alabaster skin, shaped eyebrows, and what looks like more than just a dab of lipstick.

Male idols include the 40-year-old actor Won Bin, described by the news culture website Korean Exposé as "boyishly handsome," and the 32-year-old actor Song Joong-ki, who reportedly attributes his fair complexion to washing his face with milk every night. As well, the four 20-something singers in the boy band SHINee are known for wearing eye makeup.

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K-pop idol group SHINee performs in Seoul in this 2011 file photo. Group members are often seen wearing eye makeup. (Jo Yong-Hak/Reuters)

The YouTube star's co-host and business partner, Xander, who was also at the clinic, quoted a line from the film American Beauty to explain the trend: "In order to be successful, one must project an image of success."

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Matt Kwong was the Washington-based correspondent for CBC News. He previously reported for CBC News as an online journalist in New York and Toronto. You can follow him on Twitter at: @matt_kwong

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Is this what Asian women want? Korean Chinese Japanese Laotian woman?

Is this what women want from men?

Or was Time mag trying to push men to be less men? Was this around the time of the now defunct 'Metrosexual' term?

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As a woman, I find the man on the cover of this mag very unattractive, regardless of whether he is asian or wearing make up. With relationships, people tend to look beyond artifice. If a person looks attractive to another it is often because of something intrinsic to that person. Opinions may therefore differ, but to me, the above man looks too dainty.

I prefer him:

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