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cANCEl Culture 'The truth doesn’t seem to matter'

my first 'realization' of it happening in a different way came after the increase of reality shows

And people watching celebrities or people who are socialites.

The sad thing is that on average people watch about 5-7hrs of TV a day.

Whoopi Goldberg criticizes cancel culture: 'The truth doesn’t seem to matter'

Jessica Napoli - Yesterday 9:30 AM

"Because there is cancel culture, people will call or text and say, ‘I’m not buying your product. This is who you have talking about your product, me and my 5 million followers, if you keep her, we’re not going to buy your car, or we’re not going to buy your shampoo or we’re not going to buy your toothbrush or we’re not going to buy your Pampers," Goldberg mused.

She was out of work for five years until Barbara Walters offered Goldberg a spot on "The View."

Whoopi Goldberg criticize... (msn.com)

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Reply #1 posted 08/28/21 1:14pm

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Same thing happened to the Dixie Chicks. Whoopi is 100% correct.

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Same thing happened to The Beatles.

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Same thing happened to The Beatles.

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Exactly. There is nothing new and nothing onesided about cancel culture. Before the Beatles, it was McCarthyism. Before that there were various boycotts on against slavery, absentee farm owners especially Captain Boycott. There have been many boycotts over time: Of Ford for an anti-semitic article. The salt boycott in India, The bus boycotts following Rosa Parks and in South Africa. The grape growers boycott. Taco Bell, NFL, NRA, against the North Carolina Bathroom Bill. etc etc etc.

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Before this there was a boycott of British goods because there was a new Stamp Act where people felt that this was taxation without representation.

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Same thing happened to the Bee Gee's.

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NBA news: Shaquille O'Nea...oints.com)

Shaquille O’Neal gets brutally honest on being afraid of cancel culture

Shaq is one of the most beloved NBA players ever. The Los Angeles Lakers icon has endeared himself to fans because of his outgoing personality, childish humor, and constantly giving back to the community. So it would seem implausible that he would get bashed. But with the way cancel culture has become pervasive on social media when someone messes up, even a guy like Shaq isn’t safe (via Reddit).

“I try to tell people I’m a real model, not a role model. Everybody makes mistakes. When I make a mistake, I want you to learn from my mistake. I probably won’t make a purposeful mistake, I may make an accidental mistake, but I try to be as respectful and righteous as I can. Times are different. You can’t say things like you used to could say.”

With the 24/7 nature of news in the digital age, celebrities are always under the microscope. One slip-up and it would be all over the headlines and online platforms. Shaq himself has been embroiled in several issues because of his controversial statements regarding the current crop of NBA players. So he knows how hard it is to stay on the right lane.

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Half of them need to find something to do. Now they getting rid of one of my favorite Office episodes and more. Might as well get rid of all the 90s shows and especially Married With Children if its like that. SMH

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When has the truth mattered in the U.S.?

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The thing about 'cancel culture' is much different from before is social media and social media 'interactions' did not exist back in the day, like today.

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What I started to see happening was the result of FB twitter + Reality TV where people more 'intimately' followed peoples lives, many of these people not even being celebrities. So you have people who almost invest their time in following peoples lives and feeling they have the right to critique and judge them, nit pick, tell them how they don't like how they styled their childs hair etc

Which of course can become very detached and vicious

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It's easy for people who are not 'popular' to do the very same things they accuse 'famous' people of doing, yet we don't readily have access to 'regular' peoples conversations and actions.

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Monica Lewinksy Tells Trevor Noah that Cancel Culture Has Become ‘Too Broad’

Monica Lewinksy Tells Tre... (msn.com)

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She went on to point to tabloids and argued that they “bled into every area of our culture,” noting that Princess Diana’s death — which is often blamed on paparazzi — occurred just months before news broke of her affair with former President Bill Clinton.

“But I think what we’re seeing now, too, is that this is very much about power,” she continued. “Are there people in power who should face consequences? Absolutely. But there are people not in positions of power who are facing the same consequence and it’s ruining their lives in a way that is very different.”

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Monica Lewinksy Tells Trevor Noah that Cancel Culture Has Become ‘Too Broad’

Monica Lewinksy Tells Tre... (msn.com)

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She went on to point to tabloids and argued that they “bled into every area of our culture,” noting that Princess Diana’s death — which is often blamed on paparazzi — occurred just months before news broke of her affair with former President Bill Clinton.

“But I think what we’re seeing now, too, is that this is very much about power,” she continued. “Are there people in power who should face consequences? Absolutely. But there are people not in positions of power who are facing the same consequence and it’s ruining their lives in a way that is very different.”

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“One of the factors – and we do take people through this in the film – is around the idea of how shame had been used since the beginning of time as a social tool,” she said. “When the printing press was invented, it all of the sudden leap-frogged into being something that could not be commoditized.”

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Lewinsky later highlighted the concept of “shaming for change,” praising organizations such as Black Lives Matter and the #MeToo movement for holding those in power accountable and giving a voice to those who “haven’t had a voice for a long time. Noah agreed with Lewinsky’s argument that there is a “beauty and a beast to the internet,” adding that people in power should face consequences.

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This is the problem with people that use the term "cancel culture" as a foil to cancel criticism. As I said before, cancel culture is nothing new and, as ever, it is only when it is misused that it is a problem. The cancel culture of the society pages, Macarthyism etc. shows it previously existed. All throughout time it has been used for good and bad.

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IanRG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Monica Lewinksy Tells Trevor Noah that Cancel Culture Has Become ‘Too Broad’

Monica Lewinksy Tells Tre... (msn.com)

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She went on to point to tabloids and argued that they “bled into every area of our culture,” noting that Princess Diana’s death — which is often blamed on paparazzi — occurred just months before news broke of her affair with former President Bill Clinton.

“But I think what we’re seeing now, too, is that this is very much about power,” she continued. “Are there people in power who should face consequences? Absolutely. But there are people not in positions of power who are facing the same consequence and it’s ruining their lives in a way that is very different.”

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“One of the factors – and we do take people through this in the film – is around the idea of how shame had been used since the beginning of time as a social tool,” she said. “When the printing press was invented, it all of the sudden leap-frogged into being something that could not be commoditized.”

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Lewinsky later highlighted the concept of “shaming for change,” praising organizations such as Black Lives Matter and the #MeToo movement for holding those in power accountable and giving a voice to those who “haven’t had a voice for a long time. Noah agreed with Lewinsky’s argument that there is a “beauty and a beast to the internet,” adding that people in power should face consequences.

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This is the problem with people that use the term "cancel culture" as a foil to cancel criticism. As I said before, cancel culture is nothing new and, as ever, it is only when it is misused that it is a problem. The cancel culture of the society pages, Macarthyism etc. shows it previously existed. All throughout time it has been used for good and bad.

I agree that this type of thing overall has always existed, I do believe 'cancel culture' is different. As all other forms of whatever it was, was different. Shaming might be something very different and for different reasons. In trying to stay in the know of culture, having watched the rise of 'reality' tv/shows and people gaining popularity just because they are on a show (no actual talent etc) as well as 'socialites' gaining a level of fame (no actual talent) has cause a hightened level of 'envy' in the human population. So 'regular' people who sit at home watching a reality show or something on Twitter for example become evenmoreso judgmental and critical of others. And with increased levels of social media communication people begin finding fault and trying to bring up something the person(s) did in the past, that they didn't like. The only difference between the target and the person(s) targeting them is that the targeters life is not known and might not have available records of them doing or saying something 'worth cancelling for'. Because we all do in our pasts we all do.

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So someone like Supermodel business woman Tyra Banks was targeted last year. So remember last year a lot of people had more down time and began watching a lot of tv and past tv shows.
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So a youtube blogger decided to do a channel where she 'reviews' America's Next Top Models which I believe started in 2003 like 24 season now and she branched it out across the world S America Australia Germany Toronto etc So this youtube blogger(not actual talent) rides of of Tyra Banks success and talent to gain a following, critiquing her choices. As a result a female rapper, who I never heard of makes an accusatory statement about Tyra when she asked for and paid one of the model contestants to have her gap closed. This female rapper who I've never heard of has a gap. And she ranted about Tyra shaming the model with a gap(this is also the model who Won the competition) saying things about beauty etc etc The female rapper would not be considered a beauty or model material. So Tyra feels somehow she has to apologize. Which she didn't have to. Tyra Banks is very sharp and successful in many aspects of the modelling world.

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So this kind of stuff is what cancel culture really is about. It's not about some politician who did something criminal and now paying the price.

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There is a lot of 'envy' involved' microscope view of peoples lives and one of the darker sides of social media and reality tv

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According to a report in The Hollywood Reporter, Chappelle returned to the stage at a show in LA for the first time since "The Closer" aired on Netflix. The publication reports that in response to a standing ovation, Chappelle said: ""If this is what being canceled is like, I love it."

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OldFriends4Sale said:



IanRG said:




OldFriends4Sale said:



Monica Lewinksy Tells Trevor Noah that Cancel Culture Has Become ‘Too Broad’


Monica Lewinksy Tells Tre... (msn.com)

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She went on to point to tabloids and argued that they “bled into every area of our culture,” noting that Princess Diana’s death — which is often blamed on paparazzi — occurred just months before news broke of her affair with former President Bill Clinton.


“But I think what we’re seeing now, too, is that this is very much about power,” she continued. “Are there people in power who should face consequences? Absolutely. But there are people not in positions of power who are facing the same consequence and it’s ruining their lives in a way that is very different.”




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“One of the factors – and we do take people through this in the film – is around the idea of how shame had been used since the beginning of time as a social tool,” she said. “When the printing press was invented, it all of the sudden leap-frogged into being something that could not be commoditized.”


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Lewinsky later highlighted the concept of “shaming for change,” praising organizations such as Black Lives Matter and the #MeToo movement for holding those in power accountable and giving a voice to those who “haven’t had a voice for a long time. Noah agreed with Lewinsky’s argument that there is a “beauty and a beast to the internet,” adding that people in power should face consequences.


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This is the problem with people that use the term "cancel culture" as a foil to cancel criticism. As I said before, cancel culture is nothing new and, as ever, it is only when it is misused that it is a problem. The cancel culture of the society pages, Macarthyism etc. shows it previously existed. All throughout time it has been used for good and bad.





I agree that this type of thing overall has always existed, I do believe 'cancel culture' is different. As all other forms of whatever it was, was different. Shaming might be something very different and for different reasons. In trying to stay in the know of culture, having watched the rise of 'reality' tv/shows and people gaining popularity just because they are on a show (no actual talent etc) as well as 'socialites' gaining a level of fame (no actual talent) has cause a hightened level of 'envy' in the human population. So 'regular' people who sit at home watching a reality show or something on Twitter for example become evenmoreso judgmental and critical of others. And with increased levels of social media communication people begin finding fault and trying to bring up something the person(s) did in the past, that they didn't like. The only difference between the target and the person(s) targeting them is that the targeters life is not known and might not have available records of them doing or saying something 'worth cancelling for'. Because we all do in our pasts we all do.


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So someone like Supermodel business woman Tyra Banks was targeted last year. So remember last year a lot of people had more down time and began watching a lot of tv and past tv shows.
.
So a youtube blogger decided to do a channel where she 'reviews' America's Next Top Models which I believe started in 2003 like 24 season now and she branched it out across the world S America Australia Germany Toronto etc So this youtube blogger(not actual talent) rides of of Tyra Banks success and talent to gain a following, critiquing her choices. As a result a female rapper, who I never heard of makes an accusatory statement about Tyra when she asked for and paid one of the model contestants to have her gap closed. This female rapper who I've never heard of has a gap. And she ranted about Tyra shaming the model with a gap(this is also the model who Won the competition) saying things about beauty etc etc The female rapper would not be considered a beauty or model material. So Tyra feels somehow she has to apologize. Which she didn't have to. Tyra Banks is very sharp and successful in many aspects of the modelling world.



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So this kind of stuff is what cancel culture really is about. It's not about some politician who did something criminal and now paying the price.


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There is a lot of 'envy' involved' microscope view of peoples lives and one of the darker sides of social media and reality tv





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OldFriends4Sale said:

IanRG said:

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“One of the factors – and we do take people through this in the film – is around the idea of how shame had been used since the beginning of time as a social tool,” she said. “When the printing press was invented, it all of the sudden leap-frogged into being something that could not be commoditized.”

.

Lewinsky later highlighted the concept of “shaming for change,” praising organizations such as Black Lives Matter and the #MeToo movement for holding those in power accountable and giving a voice to those who “haven’t had a voice for a long time. Noah agreed with Lewinsky’s argument that there is a “beauty and a beast to the internet,” adding that people in power should face consequences.

.

This is the problem with people that use the term "cancel culture" as a foil to cancel criticism. As I said before, cancel culture is nothing new and, as ever, it is only when it is misused that it is a problem. The cancel culture of the society pages, Macarthyism etc. shows it previously existed. All throughout time it has been used for good and bad.

I agree that this type of thing overall has always existed, I do believe 'cancel culture' is different. As all other forms of whatever it was, was different. Shaming might be something very different and for different reasons. In trying to stay in the know of culture, having watched the rise of 'reality' tv/shows and people gaining popularity just because they are on a show (no actual talent etc) as well as 'socialites' gaining a level of fame (no actual talent) has cause a hightened level of 'envy' in the human population. So 'regular' people who sit at home watching a reality show or something on Twitter for example become evenmoreso judgmental and critical of others. And with increased levels of social media communication people begin finding fault and trying to bring up something the person(s) did in the past, that they didn't like. The only difference between the target and the person(s) targeting them is that the targeters life is not known and might not have available records of them doing or saying something 'worth cancelling for'. Because we all do in our pasts we all do.

.

So someone like Supermodel business woman Tyra Banks was targeted last year. So remember last year a lot of people had more down time and began watching a lot of tv and past tv shows.
.
So a youtube blogger decided to do a channel where she 'reviews' America's Next Top Models which I believe started in 2003 like 24 season now and she branched it out across the world S America Australia Germany Toronto etc So this youtube blogger(not actual talent) rides of of Tyra Banks success and talent to gain a following, critiquing her choices. As a result a female rapper, who I never heard of makes an accusatory statement about Tyra when she asked for and paid one of the model contestants to have her gap closed. This female rapper who I've never heard of has a gap. And she ranted about Tyra shaming the model with a gap(this is also the model who Won the competition) saying things about beauty etc etc The female rapper would not be considered a beauty or model material. So Tyra feels somehow she has to apologize. Which she didn't have to. Tyra Banks is very sharp and successful in many aspects of the modelling world.

.

So this kind of stuff is what cancel culture really is about. It's not about some politician who did something criminal and now paying the price.

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There is a lot of 'envy' involved' microscope view of peoples lives and one of the darker sides of social media and reality tv

.

A society where a powerful person in two exploitative industries like media and modelling can be encouraged to apologise for their destructive comments in pushing physical attributes down to the size of a gap between a model's front teeth decades after people like Lauren Hutton. If this is what cancel culture is really about - Fantastic.

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That this allows people who are not considered attractive enough to criticise the powerful and those pointing out the bad things do not need to be powerful enough to be considered worthy of being listen to, I am struggling to find an issue with.

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Has Banks been cancelled? No, she signed up for a new TV deal in 2020. The reason is new technology and ways of social interaction will always be positive and negative - For every wider voice that seeks to damage with less than the most grievous, there will be others that will weigh the evidence, assess the response, forgive and move on. The society pages and gossip mags become social media influencers and people take what they will from these, just as they always have. In this, there always has and always will be a range of degrees of truth and lies in the reports and a range of positive and negative responses by the person reported on and the people reading or watching. There will always be those who want to believe the worst about a person or side of politics and those who think first.

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IanRG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agree that this type of thing overall has always existed, I do believe 'cancel culture' is different. As all other forms of whatever it was, was different. Shaming might be something very different and for different reasons. In trying to stay in the know of culture, having watched the rise of 'reality' tv/shows and people gaining popularity just because they are on a show (no actual talent etc) as well as 'socialites' gaining a level of fame (no actual talent) has cause a hightened level of 'envy' in the human population. So 'regular' people who sit at home watching a reality show or something on Twitter for example become evenmoreso judgmental and critical of others. And with increased levels of social media communication people begin finding fault and trying to bring up something the person(s) did in the past, that they didn't like. The only difference between the target and the person(s) targeting them is that the targeters life is not known and might not have available records of them doing or saying something 'worth cancelling for'. Because we all do in our pasts we all do.

.

So someone like Supermodel business woman Tyra Banks was targeted last year. So remember last year a lot of people had more down time and began watching a lot of tv and past tv shows.
.
So a youtube blogger decided to do a channel where she 'reviews' America's Next Top Models which I believe started in 2003 like 24 season now and she branched it out across the world S America Australia Germany Toronto etc So this youtube blogger(not actual talent) rides of of Tyra Banks success and talent to gain a following, critiquing her choices. As a result a female rapper, who I never heard of makes an accusatory statement about Tyra when she asked for and paid one of the model contestants to have her gap closed. This female rapper who I've never heard of has a gap. And she ranted about Tyra shaming the model with a gap(this is also the model who Won the competition) saying things about beauty etc etc The female rapper would not be considered a beauty or model material. So Tyra feels somehow she has to apologize. Which she didn't have to. Tyra Banks is very sharp and successful in many aspects of the modelling world.

.

So this kind of stuff is what cancel culture really is about. It's not about some politician who did something criminal and now paying the price.

.

There is a lot of 'envy' involved' microscope view of peoples lives and one of the darker sides of social media and reality tv

.

A society where a powerful person in two exploitative industries like media and modelling can be encouraged to apologise for their destructive comments in pushing physical attributes down to the size of a gap between a model's front teeth decades after people like Lauren Hutton. If this is what cancel culture is really about - Fantastic.

.

That this allows people who are not considered attractive enough to criticise the powerful and those pointing out the bad things do not need to be powerful enough to be considered worthy of being listen to, I am struggling to find an issue with.

.

Has Banks been cancelled? No, she signed up for a new TV deal in 2020. The reason is new technology and ways of social interaction will always be positive and negative - For every wider voice that seeks to damage with less than the most grievous, there will be others that will weigh the evidence, assess the response, forgive and move on. The society pages and gossip mags become social media influencers and people take what they will from these, just as they always have. In this, there always has and always will be a range of degrees of truth and lies in the reports and a range of positive and negative responses by the person reported on and the people reading or watching. There will always be those who want to believe the worst about a person or side of politics and those who think first.

She just apologized because it's expected. The model who won, the one who (partially)closed her gap, who was also encouraged by her mother to close the gap, replied to what the rapper said. It wasn't that serious for all of this to happen. Rememeber these people willingly go onto the show and generally get paid to live and experience things, that if they went on their own would be more difficult. They can win prizes money get paid trips to other countries etc All on Tyra

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The rapper is a rapper. Being a model is not the same as being an entertainer. It's just a different world. Madonna has a gap. The rapper has a gap. That is just a different genre. Tyra is giving these ladies a leg up, that they might not have on their own. She knows what the industry is about world wide. So Tyra apologizing doesn't change the the industry world wide. But that model who was sitting in her little Arkansas town, did not have the get up to do anything on her own, until Tyra.
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The issues is the attempt at cancelling. At the same time as this her ex-director and friend tried to attack her after their friendship split when he had to leave the show. Another person we would have never known of except for Tyra Banks presenting him to the world, tried to right a book to discredit her.

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But that is the thing about this kind of microscoping envy and passive aggressive c culture

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Cancel culture backfires ... (msn.com)

Cancel culture backfires when banned lecture by Princeton professor at MIT draws thousands

Danielle Wallace 18 hrs ago

Cancel culture seemed to have backfired in one instance, as thousands have registered to attend a guest lecture at Princeton University by a geophysics professor whose initial speech at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) was canceled amid pressure from campus activists.

"I'm delighted to report that we've expanded the Zoom quota for Dr. Dorian Abbot's Princeton lecture – the one shockingly and shamefully canceled by MIT – and literally thousands of people have registered," Princeton professor Robert P. George tweeted on Monday.

The lecture, titled "Climate and the Potential for Life on Other Planets," is scheduled to take place via Zoom at 4:30 p.m. ET on Oct. 21 – the same day it had been scheduled to take place at MIT.

George, who is McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence and Director of the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions at Princeton University, wrote in a follow-up tweet Tuesday, "I extend a special invitation to those MIT students, faculty, and alumni who believe in truth-seeking and understand that its indispensable conditions include freedom of thought, inquiry, and discussion, to Zoom into Dr. Dorian Abbot's Princeton lecture. #solidarityintruthseeking."

Dr. Dorian Abbot, a geophysical sciences associate professor at the University of Chicago, was slated to deliver the John Carlson Lecture, which is billed by MIT as an annual lecture meant to communicate "exciting new results in climate science to the general public," in light of his research on climate change. But MIT retracted his invitation, not because of the content of his planned lecture, but instead after activists and MIT academics took issue with Abbot's past comments arguing academic evaluations should be based on merit, not on race or ethnic identity.

Abbot, and his colleague, Ivan Marinovic, had criticized diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives by universities and some employers in an August opinion piece for Newsweek titled "The Diversity Problem on Campus."

After MIT announced it had canceled Abbot’s participation in the lecture, the geophysicist wrote a piece on the "Common Sense with Bari Weiss" substack noting that, "a small group of ideologues mounted a Twitter campaign to cancel a distinguished science lecture at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology because they disagreed with some of the political positions the speaker had taken."

"I am a professor who just had a prestigious public science lecture at MIT cancelled because of an outrage mob on Twitter," Abbot wrote. "This is not a partisan issue. Anyone who is interested in the pursuit of truth and in promoting a healthy and functioning society has a stake in this debate. Speaking out now may seem risky. But the cost of remaining silent is far steeper."

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Collins says she has also had enough of reading about Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.

“I think they’ve had enough oxygen in the press,” she added.

One person Collins wishes she could see more of is Piers Morgan, who stormed off the set of Good Morning Britain earlier this year after criticizing the royal couple's interview with Oprah Winfrey.

“He’s more interesting than any of them,” she said. “People can’t say what they think, because they’ll get canceled. Dredging up tweets from 15 years ago, about what somebody might have said when they were 14, I think that’s sick.”

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"I'm delighted to report that we've expanded the Zoom quota for Dr. Dorian Abbot's Princeton lecture – the one shockingly and shamefully canceled by MIT – and literally thousands of people have registered," Princeton professor Robert P. George tweeted on Monday.


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Cancel culture backfires when banned lecture by Princeton professor at MIT draws thousands

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Cancel culture seemed to have backfired in one instance, as thousands have registered to attend a guest lecture at Princeton University by a geophysics professor whose initial speech at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) was canceled amid pressure from campus activists.

"I'm delighted to report that we've expanded the Zoom quota for Dr. Dorian Abbot's Princeton lecture – the one shockingly and shamefully canceled by MIT – and literally thousands of people have registered," Princeton professor Robert P. George tweeted on Monday.

The lecture, titled "Climate and the Potential for Life on Other Planets," is scheduled to take place via Zoom at 4:30 p.m. ET on Oct. 21 – the same day it had been scheduled to take place at MIT.

George, who is McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence and Director of the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions at Princeton University, wrote in a follow-up tweet Tuesday, "I extend a special invitation to those MIT students, faculty, and alumni who believe in truth-seeking and understand that its indispensable conditions include freedom of thought, inquiry, and discussion, to Zoom into Dr. Dorian Abbot's Princeton lecture. #solidarityintruthseeking."

Dr. Dorian Abbot, a geophysical sciences associate professor at the University of Chicago, was slated to deliver the John Carlson Lecture, which is billed by MIT as an annual lecture meant to communicate "exciting new results in climate science to the general public," in light of his research on climate change. But MIT retracted his invitation, not because of the content of his planned lecture, but instead after activists and MIT academics took issue with Abbot's past comments arguing academic evaluations should be based on merit, not on race or ethnic identity.

Abbot, and his colleague, Ivan Marinovic, had criticized diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives by universities and some employers in an August opinion piece for Newsweek titled "The Diversity Problem on Campus."

After MIT announced it had canceled Abbot’s participation in the lecture, the geophysicist wrote a piece on the "Common Sense with Bari Weiss" substack noting that, "a small group of ideologues mounted a Twitter campaign to cancel a distinguished science lecture at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology because they disagreed with some of the political positions the speaker had taken."

"I am a professor who just had a prestigious public science lecture at MIT cancelled because of an outrage mob on Twitter," Abbot wrote. "This is not a partisan issue. Anyone who is interested in the pursuit of truth and in promoting a healthy and functioning society has a stake in this debate. Speaking out now may seem risky. But the cost of remaining silent is far steeper."

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So the technology that enabled the "small group of ideologues" also enabled this group to be put in its place - all without the riots and State violence of the 1960s.

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hmmm I wonder why they are going after Denzel Washington out of the blue

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‘They’re Starting to Target Denzel’: Fans Come to Denzel Washington’s Defense After Podcast Episode of Katie Couric Saying Actor ‘Jumped’ All Over Her In 2004 Interview Resurfaces

In as many weeks, acclaimed actor Denzel Washington reputation is in the spotlight over another person’s less-than-flattering encounter with the actor. Journalist Katie Couric makes for the latest person divulging over a past experience with Washington, provoking outrage among fans.

Couric’s resurfaced comments stem from last year when she made a guest appearance on the “Everything Iconic with Danny Pellegrino” podcast. While reflecting on her career, the veteran on-air talent recalled the “Training Day” star leaving her “shaken” and “uncomfortable” after a 2004 interview. At the time, Washington and castmate Meryl Streep were promoting their political thriller film “The Manchurian Candidate.”

Fans come to Denzel Washington’s (L) defense after Katie Couric (R) “jumped all over” her during a interview. Photo by Jamie McCarthy/Getty Images, Roy Rochlin/Getty Images

While attempting to ask the actor about his stance on Hollywood’s stars and politics merging, Washington’s responses, Couric recounted, were anything but expected.

“I think he totally misconstrued a question I asked and kind of jumped all over me,” said Couric during the April 27, 2020, episode. She recalled the exchange going like this:

Couric: “Denzel, are you — do you feel— you know some people say Hollywood folks should stick to acting?”

Washington: “I don’t know what Hollywood folks are, first of all,” Washington replied. “Hollywood is a town that has some stars on the sidewalk. I don’t know anybody from there. So, I don’t — that’s like saying — calling you a type of folks. I’m not a Hollywood folk. I don’t know who they are.”

Couric: “OK, all right, well, let me rephrase the question. Are you one of those people that —”

Washington: “Ah, there you go. Am I one of those people? Hmmm, isn’t that interesting?”

Couric: “Oh, stop, stop, stop.”

Washington: “No, don’t stop. I heard what you just said. ‘Am I one of those people?’ No, I’m not.”

The veteran continued with her line of questioning, still attempting to get Washington to share his stance when it comes to openly divulging his political views.

“I don’t know what happened,” said Couric during her recollection of the awkward exchange. She then brought up a donation the actor made to her Stand Up to Cancer organization.

“Anyway, I think he must have been having a really bad day ’cause he later wrote a big check to my colon cancer organization, which I thought was super sweet,” she said. “I love him, I admire him so much but I remember walking out and feeling really kind of shaken that he had kind of gone after me in a way that was completely, weirdly uncalled for.”

Washington’s fans unleashed criticism while condeming Couric for her perceived attempt at smudging the star’s reputation.

“They’re starting to target Denzel…He’s a strong intelligent Black man in Hollywood who knows what he wants…And that’s dangerous” tweeted one of Washington’s supporters.

“Katie Couric and Ellen Pompeo expecting Denzel Washington to bow down to them only for Denzel to put them in their place.”

Actress Ellen Pompeo was under fire a week prior to Couric rehashing the details of the 2004 interview, after revealing she and the Oscar winner had an explosive showdown on the set of “Grey’s Anatomy” years ago.

Pompeo, who is the star of the show as Meredith Grey, recalled Washington stepping in to direct an episode, and along with his duties came the responsibility of giving the actors direction and feedback for each scene. The latter did not sit well with Pompeo...

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Comedian takes stab at cancel culture: 'Humor isn't partisan'

Comedian Karith Foster reacts to 'Airplane!' director taking on cancel culture.

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The Mathematics of Cancel Culture

To add fractions, you find the least common denominator—a term that has a certain resonance in our age of mass cancellation.

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Most canceling isn’t so drastic or visible. But it goes on all the time, mostly without our noticing—a process revved up by AI. AI-driven hiring software cancels job candidates, disappears applicants from college entrance pools, culls potential mates, bans people from getting credit, insurance, parole. It even limits the options a doctor has (or sees) for prescribing drugs. No one knows exactly what these algorithms “consider” in their decisions, because the software is proprietary. We do know that AI depends on turning everything into yes-or-no questions; it’s either a relevant data point, or it isn’t. That’s digital by definition. It deals in discrete variables, not continuous change. As a geek friend recently put it: “AI murders calculus.” Mathematician Cathy O’Neil calls these systems “weapons of math destruction” (also the title of her—not yet canceled—book).

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Makers of our AI-powered devices spend a lot of time canceling friction, making just about everything a no-brainer. They require less and less of us because they do more and more, whether we want them to or not. One click instead of two. They make it effortless to say things, buy things, even cancel things. We don’t need to think twice. Or think at all.
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But friction is a good thing—and not just because it might slow down your ability to send that text you later wish you hadn’t or make butt dialing more difficult. We need friction to walk across the room.
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Besides, deleting rarely erases things completely (your old texts included). Canceling leaves traces. In college, I received a report card (a real thing back then) with an inked A in physics crossed out, written over with a B—the ghost of the A still clear. I’d recently declined several invitations from my aged professor to meet after class for a drink. Sexual harassment didn’t even have a name at the time. But the experience canceled my interest in physics for quite a few years.

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As we all know, vanquished enemies often return, sometimes in different form. Sometimes they come back to bite you. Our campaign to cancel “germs” has been so successful it’s helped to produce stronger breeds of drug-resistant bacteria.

So what’s the alternative? Bad, dangerous, and dumb things abound. If we don’t cancel them, then what?
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In some obvious cases, addition can eliminate the need for subtraction—though it’s likely slower, more difficult, more expensive. For example, I read that analog clocks are being taken out of school classrooms. Why? The decision to cancel clocks was made because students no longer knew how to use them to tell time. Given that clocks are analogues to the Earth’s rotation, that’s a bigger loss than it may seem. Why not just teach kids to read hands on a clock?

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Most canceling is far less trivial, of course, but options do usually exist—even if they require time and resources (and thought). We can repair, reframe, revisit, refashion, restrain, redirect, repurpose, restructure, rework, retool, reduce, revisit, refocus, retrofit, reboot, rethink, reform, and so on. The reformation of our legal system is something law professor Jody Armour has studied and lived for a lifetime and reimagines in his new book, N*gga Theory: Race, Language, Unequal Justice, and the Law. A truly progressive legal system, Armour argues, values restoration, rehabilitation, and redemption over retribution, retaliation, and revenge.

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Science could not progress if it canceled old ways of understanding in favor of new. Very rarely do scientists entirely abandon even wrong and discarded ideas. Rather, the building blocks remain, but take on new meaning and context with the discovery of new knowledge, more complete theories, clearer explanations. Science is essentially additive.
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I personally find it strange that most people seem to see aging as mostly a matter of cancellation. True, getting old pares away mobility of our limbs, shaves range and acuity from our senses, severs ties, shrinks stature, chisels away at memory. For me, however, what’s gained easily equals what’s lost. Sure, I’d rather do without the aches and pains, but they force me to jury-rig my way around obstacles—which is a fun challenge (sometimes). If my joints are less flexible, my outlook is more so. I remember less but know more. I have lower energy but more interests. I laugh more. Sometimes it’s the only thing you can do. Nothing wrong with that.
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The biggest thing we’ve lost to cancel culture is conversation itself. We’re afraid we’ll say the wrong thing. We’re afraid we’ll get canceled. Sometimes we don’t bother even to cancel and simply “ghost”—the passive-aggressive version.
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Probably needless to say, the specter of being ghosted, canceled, has haunted me all the while I’ve been writing this piece. But as I’m closer to my expiration date than most, it wouldn’t matter much. Nature will cancel me permanently, soon enough.

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