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Taliban Prepare to March on Kabul

It is sad how after all this time, the Afghan soldiers just basically surrender.

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Taliban Prepare to March ... (msn.com)

“Kabul will fall sooner or later because the morale of security forces is so weak. The government doesn’t really support them,” said Staff. Sgt. Khaluddin, one of the Afghan soldiers defending Kabul. He was on leave in his hometown of Kunduz when it was overrun by insurgents this past week. He managed to escape with family members to Kabul on a moto-rickshaw and resumed service in his Kabul-based unit.

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For the Taliban, the biggest triumph in the war so far was Friday’s seizure of Kandahar, which is where Taliban founder Mullah Omar donned the cloak of Prophet Muhammad and proclaimed himself the commander of the faithful in 1996, conquering most of the country soon after.

Pashtana Durrani, a female university student who runs an education organization, said she had to leave all her possessions behind as she escaped Kandahar on Friday.

“The city was taken with no resistance. There was celebratory fire, and people are also so scared,” she said. “We’ve left behind all the books that my father and grandfather had given me, every memory, and we’ve had to burn all our pictures.”

Many other Kandaharis, however, reacted with joy. Hundreds of locals took their motorbikes to the streets now that the Afghan government’s ban on them, imposed to deter the Taliban, no longer applied. Shops and markets were opened, residents said.

“Now the situation is totally normal,” said Syed Mohammad, a Kandahar shopkeeper. “On each square there are 10 to 15 Taliban standing with guns, flags and walkie talkies. But everyone can go to any part of the city without constraint.”


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Reply #1 posted 08/14/21 5:35am

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Feminists don't seem to care about the women of Afghanistan. Sad, but by now not surprising.

child-bride-afghanistan_9674_10675.jpg?itok=_CpmDyq5

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The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.

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Reply #2 posted 08/14/21 2:39pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:

Feminists don't seem to care about the women of Afghanistan. Sad, but by now not surprising.

The Consequence and Solution for Child Marriage - The Daily Outlook  Afghanistan

So now it's the feminists fault? rolleyes

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Reply #3 posted 08/14/21 2:41pm

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Statement by President Jo...hite House



For the full statement see the link.



Over our country’s 20 years at war in Afghanistan, America has sent its finest young men and women, invested nearly $1 trillion dollars, trained over 300,000 Afghan soldiers and police, equipped them with state-of-the-art military equipment, and maintained their air force as part of the longest war in U.S. history. One more year, or five more years, of U.S. military presence would not have made a difference if the Afghan military cannot or will not hold its own country. And an endless American presence in the middle of another country’s civil conflict was not acceptable to me.



When I came to office, I inherited a deal cut by my predecessor—which he invited the Taliban to discuss at Camp David on the eve of 9/11 of 2019—that left the Taliban in the strongest position militarily since 2001 and imposed a May 1, 2021 deadline on U.S. Forces. Shortly before he left office, he also drew U.S. Forces down to a bare minimum of 2,500. Therefore, when I became President, I faced a choice—follow through on the deal, with a brief extension to get our Forces and our allies’ Forces out safely, or ramp up our presence and send more American troops to fight once again in another country’s civil conflict. I was the fourth President to preside over an American troop presence in Afghanistan—two Republicans, two Democrats. I would not, and will not, pass this war onto a fifth.

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Reply #4 posted 08/14/21 6:39pm

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No matter how long America stayed there- another 5, 10, 20, 50 years- this was the inevitable outcome the second we stepped away

You’re dealing with religious fanatics here who think in terms of millenniums, not weeks or months or years. This is their cause, and they were going to wait it out until hell froze over

Heaven help the poor bastards left there
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Reply #5 posted 08/15/21 4:23am

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Unbelievable. Nightmarish stuff. Biden just flipped his middle finger to the people of Afghanistan.

This is even worse than Vietnam in 1975, because there's no way the US could have defeated North Vietnam with the antiwar pressure at home and the USSR/China menace. The Talibans SHOULD have been OBLITERATED a long time ago; instead, their new generation of rats are back in full force with stolen American pickup trucks and assault rifles.

This is worst than Nam'75, IMO.

Full citizenship should be given immediately to the Afghanis who fought with the NATO forces and the members of the government. The Talibans will kill them and mutilate their bodies.

[Edited 8/15/21 4:24am]

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Reply #6 posted 08/15/21 4:37am

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PennyPurple said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Feminists don't seem to care about the women of Afghanistan. Sad, but by now not surprising.


So now it's the feminists fault? rolleyes

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The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.

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Reply #7 posted 08/15/21 4:46am

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JoeTyler said:

Unbelievable. Nightmarish stuff. Biden just flipped his middle finger to the people of Afghanistan.

This is even worse than Vietnam in 1975, because there's no way the US could have defeated North Vietnam with the antiwar pressure at home and the USSR/China menace. The Talibans SHOULD have been OBLITERATED a long time ago; instead, their new generation of rats are back in full force with stolen American pickup trucks and assault rifles.

This is worst than Nam'75, IMO.

Full citizenship should be given immediately to the Afghanis who fought with the NATO forces and the members of the government. The Talibans will kill them and mutilate their bodies.

[Edited 8/15/21 4:24am]

[Edited 8/15/21 4:24am]


The problem is, the Taliban were never going away. They hide everywhere, in huts and caves as well as houses. Over the past 20 years they've been frequently moving between Afghanistan and Pakistan - which has really been a safe haven for them. Almost surprising, the history of Afghanistan has known Zoroastrianism (the country where the religion was founded), Hinduism, Buddhism in that order. And now it will know again the subjugation of women where they have to wear beekeeping suits, can't drive and can't leave the house unless accompanied by a male. How progressive.


The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - this is where all religions fall down.
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Reply #8 posted 08/15/21 7:44am

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JoeTyler said:

Unbelievable. Nightmarish stuff. Biden just flipped his middle finger to the people of Afghanistan.

This is even worse than Vietnam in 1975, because there's no way the US could have defeated North Vietnam with the antiwar pressure at home and the USSR/China menace. The Talibans SHOULD have been OBLITERATED a long time ago; instead, their new generation of rats are back in full force with stolen American pickup trucks and assault rifles.

This is worst than Nam'75, IMO.

Full citizenship should be given immediately to the Afghanis who fought with the NATO forces and the members of the government. The Talibans will kill them and mutilate their bodies.

[Edited 8/15/21 4:24am]

[Edited 8/15/21 4:24am]

Nope, Trump started the pull-out, Biden is finishing it. We were there for 20 years, we trained them, we gave them equipment and left it all behind for them to use. Not our fault they are all pussies and won't fight to keep what was theirs.


Where are all the other Countries?


And as I type this, we are getting those people out. Happening right now. But of course trump didn't have a plan to help those people who worked for us.

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Reply #9 posted 08/15/21 7:45am

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fortuneandserendipity said:

PennyPurple said:


So now it's the feminists fault? rolleyes

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Go, do something about it, instead of just complaining on a Prince forum. What are YOU doing to help the cause?

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Reply #10 posted 08/15/21 9:46am

JoeTyler

Kabul has just fallen. It's over.

Terrorists of all colors (especially radical islamists) will have a whole country to hide out and prosper, and to launch massive international attacks. Again. Back to the late 90's.

I can see Irak falling as well in the next few years. ISIS nearly accomplished that.

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Reply #11 posted 08/15/21 6:32pm

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JoeTyler said:

Unbelievable. Nightmarish stuff. Biden just flipped his middle finger to the people of Afghanistan.

This is even worse than Vietnam in 1975, because there's no way the US could have defeated North Vietnam with the antiwar pressure at home and the USSR/China menace. The Talibans SHOULD have been OBLITERATED a long time ago; instead, their new generation of rats are back in full force with stolen American pickup trucks and assault rifles.

This is worst than Nam'75, IMO.

Full citizenship should be given immediately to the Afghanis who fought with the NATO forces and the members of the government. The Talibans will kill them and mutilate their bodies.

[Edited 8/15/21 4:24am]

[Edited 8/15/21 4:24am]

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Even as recently as the 19th April 2021, the failed coup leader was praising the pullout from Afghanistan that he started - he just wanted it meet his deadline of May (after he failed to pull everyone out by Christmas 2020 as he promised in the election campaign). In the eyes of most people, it was always going to end this way.

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Even people like Lindsay Graham criticised the failed ex president in April by saying "I could not disagree more with former President Trump regarding his support for President Biden's withdrawal of all forces from Afghanistan against sound military advice. With all due respect to former President Trump, there is nothing 'wonderful' or 'positive' about allowing safe havens and sanctuary for terrorists to reemerge in Afghanistan or see Afghanistan be drawn back into another civil war."

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Reply #12 posted 08/16/21 7:13am

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PennyPurple said:

JoeTyler said:

Unbelievable. Nightmarish stuff. Biden just flipped his middle finger to the people of Afghanistan.

This is even worse than Vietnam in 1975, because there's no way the US could have defeated North Vietnam with the antiwar pressure at home and the USSR/China menace. The Talibans SHOULD have been OBLITERATED a long time ago; instead, their new generation of rats are back in full force with stolen American pickup trucks and assault rifles.

This is worst than Nam'75, IMO.

Full citizenship should be given immediately to the Afghanis who fought with the NATO forces and the members of the government. The Talibans will kill them and mutilate their bodies.

[Edited 8/15/21 4:24am]

[Edited 8/15/21 4:24am]

Nope, Trump started the pull-out, Biden is finishing it. We were there for 20 years, we trained them, we gave them equipment and left it all behind for them to use. Not our fault they are all pussies and won't fight to keep what was theirs.


Where are all the other Countries?


And as I type this, we are getting those people out. Happening right now. But of course trump didn't have a plan to help those people who worked for us.

This military dude blames it on the U.S. It's a good read;

How America Failed Afghan...e Atlantic

[Edited 8/16/21 7:14am]

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Reply #13 posted 08/16/21 7:46am

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Reply #14 posted 08/16/21 8:20am

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PennyPurple said:

JoeTyler said:

Unbelievable. Nightmarish stuff. Biden just flipped his middle finger to the people of Afghanistan.

This is even worse than Vietnam in 1975, because there's no way the US could have defeated North Vietnam with the antiwar pressure at home and the USSR/China menace. The Talibans SHOULD have been OBLITERATED a long time ago; instead, their new generation of rats are back in full force with stolen American pickup trucks and assault rifles.

This is worst than Nam'75, IMO.

Full citizenship should be given immediately to the Afghanis who fought with the NATO forces and the members of the government. The Talibans will kill them and mutilate their bodies.

[Edited 8/15/21 4:24am]

[Edited 8/15/21 4:24am]

Nope, Trump started the pull-out, Biden is finishing it. We were there for 20 years, we trained them, we gave them equipment and left it all behind for them to use. Not our fault they are all pussies and won't fight to keep what was theirs.


Where are all the other Countries?


And as I type this, we are getting those people out. Happening right now. But of course trump didn't have a plan to help those people who worked for us.


Trump Derangement Syndrome detected.

Biden IS in control, he COULD have stopped the pull out.
And APPARENTLY 'he' doesn't have a plan either, because he thought this was never going to happen (this quick.) Senile old fart.

There were several other countries present in Afghanistan, you just don't know it.


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Reply #15 posted 08/16/21 8:49am

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TweetyV6 said:



PennyPurple said:




JoeTyler said:


Unbelievable. Nightmarish stuff. Biden just flipped his middle finger to the people of Afghanistan.



This is even worse than Vietnam in 1975, because there's no way the US could have defeated North Vietnam with the antiwar pressure at home and the USSR/China menace. The Talibans SHOULD have been OBLITERATED a long time ago; instead, their new generation of rats are back in full force with stolen American pickup trucks and assault rifles.



This is worst than Nam'75, IMO.



Full citizenship should be given immediately to the Afghanis who fought with the NATO forces and the members of the government. The Talibans will kill them and mutilate their bodies.


[Edited 8/15/21 4:24am]


[Edited 8/15/21 4:24am]



Nope, Trump started the pull-out, Biden is finishing it. We were there for 20 years, we trained them, we gave them equipment and left it all behind for them to use. Not our fault they are all pussies and won't fight to keep what was theirs.



Where are all the other Countries?



And as I type this, we are getting those people out. Happening right now. But of course trump didn't have a plan to help those people who worked for us.




Trump Derangement Syndrome detected.

Biden IS in control, he COULD have stopped the pull out.
And APPARENTLY 'he' doesn't have a plan either, because he thought this was never going to happen (this quick.) Senile old fart.

There were several other countries present in Afghanistan, you just don't know it.



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Reply #16 posted 08/16/21 8:51am

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fortuneandserendipity said:

Feminists don't seem to care about the women of Afghanistan. Sad, but by now not surprising.

child-bride-afghanistan_9674_10675.jpg?itok=_CpmDyq5

[Edited 8/15/21 4:25am]


Oh please plenty of Feminists have and still are protesting that backwards "culture"

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Even the evil liberal media is turning on houseplant Biden

Washington Post: the situation 'is on Biden, and it will leave an indelible stain on his presidency

USA Today: this catastrophe is appearing on his watch, and he will have to take his lumps

CNN: the 'debacle of the US defeat and chaotic retreat in Afghanistan' is a 'political disaster' for the US President
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This is one of those situations where both sides of American politics fucked up and are trying to blame it solely on the other.

Both sides are at fault. But Biden has to take more of the blame because he's currently president and he could have prevented this. And for him to say that he has no regrets about it after all we've seen over the last few days is unforgivable. He can say that he was taken by surprise at how it's all turned out and that's fair enough. He didn't have a crystal ball. But to see what's happened and still say he has no regrets is just astonishing. When it comes down to it, the only difference between him and Trump is that Biden is not a racist, adulterer or failed coup leader. But just like Trump he's still a piece of shit and incompetent.
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Reply #21 posted 08/16/21 1:34pm

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EmmaMcG said:

This is one of those situations where both sides of American politics fucked up and are trying to blame it solely on the other. Both sides are at fault. But Biden has to take more of the blame because he's currently president and he could have prevented this. And for him to say that he has no regrets about it after all we've seen over the last few days is unforgivable. He can say that he was taken by surprise at how it's all turned out and that's fair enough. He didn't have a crystal ball. But to see what's happened and still say he has no regrets is just astonishing. When it comes down to it, the only difference between him and Trump is that Biden is not a racist, adulterer or failed coup leader. But just like Trump he's still a piece of shit and incompetent.

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Agreed.

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There are plenty of lumps for boths sides to take from Bush getting involved with no plan, Obama perpetuating it with no resolution, Trump imagining his (doomed to fail) resolution made him special and Biden for mismanaging and not stopping that inevitable failure.

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There really is no current or previous President who can be proud of their involvement. Biden, as the current President, will take the biggest lumps, but it is another opportunity for the GOP to look beyond their previous failures.

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Either way, the people in charge of the processes to choose who will be the Presidential candidate for both parties needs to reflect on its recent choices.

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EmmaMcG said:

This is one of those situations where both sides of American politics fucked up and are trying to blame it solely on the other.

Both sides are at fault. But Biden has to take more of the blame because he's currently president and he could have prevented this. And for him to say that he has no regrets about it after all we've seen over the last few days is unforgivable. He can say that he was taken by surprise at how it's all turned out and that's fair enough. He didn't have a crystal ball. But to see what's happened and still say he has no regrets is just astonishing. When it comes down to it, the only difference between him and Trump is that Biden is not a racist, adulterer or failed coup leader. But just like Trump he's still a piece of shit and incompetent.

You don't need a crystal ball to see that as soon as the Americans left, the Taliban would take over. There never was any real government there.
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger tool than I am.
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PennyPurple said:

JoeTyler said:

Unbelievable. Nightmarish stuff. Biden just flipped his middle finger to the people of Afghanistan.

This is even worse than Vietnam in 1975, because there's no way the US could have defeated North Vietnam with the antiwar pressure at home and the USSR/China menace. The Talibans SHOULD have been OBLITERATED a long time ago; instead, their new generation of rats are back in full force with stolen American pickup trucks and assault rifles.

This is worst than Nam'75, IMO.

Full citizenship should be given immediately to the Afghanis who fought with the NATO forces and the members of the government. The Talibans will kill them and mutilate their bodies.

[Edited 8/15/21 4:24am]

[Edited 8/15/21 4:24am]

Nope, Trump started the pull-out, Biden is finishing it. We were there for 20 years, we trained them, we gave them equipment and left it all behind for them to use. Not our fault they are all pussies and won't fight to keep what was theirs.


Where are all the other Countries?


And as I type this, we are getting those people out. Happening right now. But of course trump didn't have a plan to help those people who worked for us.

president Obama started it,

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Declaring significant progress in disrupting al-Qaeda and combatting the Taliban, Obama said on 16 December 2010 that the United States will start withdrawing U.S. troops from Afghanistan in July 2011.
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and the wall started with Bush, Obama picked it up and continued it, Trump was blamed for it

The Obama-Biden Administr... Coalition

PolitiFact | Fact-check: ...l in 2006?

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SantanaMaitreya said:

EmmaMcG said:
This is one of those situations where both sides of American politics fucked up and are trying to blame it solely on the other. Both sides are at fault. But Biden has to take more of the blame because he's currently president and he could have prevented this. And for him to say that he has no regrets about it after all we've seen over the last few days is unforgivable. He can say that he was taken by surprise at how it's all turned out and that's fair enough. He didn't have a crystal ball. But to see what's happened and still say he has no regrets is just astonishing. When it comes down to it, the only difference between him and Trump is that Biden is not a racist, adulterer or failed coup leader. But just like Trump he's still a piece of shit and incompetent.
You don't need a crystal ball to see that as soon as the Americans left, the Taliban would take over. There never was any real government there.

what is sadly interesting is how these MEN of Afghan just dropped everything without even an attempt at a fight. This is what happens when people go soft and hope other take care of them.

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Reply #25 posted 08/16/21 2:53pm

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PennyPurple said:

Nope, Trump started the pull-out, Biden is finishing it. We were there for 20 years, we trained them, we gave them equipment and left it all behind for them to use. Not our fault they are all pussies and won't fight to keep what was theirs.


Where are all the other Countries?


And as I type this, we are getting those people out. Happening right now. But of course trump didn't have a plan to help those people who worked for us.

president Obama started it, as well as the Wall

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Declaring significant progress in disrupting al-Qaeda and combatting the Taliban, Obama said on 16 December 2010 that the United States will start withdrawing U.S. troops from Afghanistan in July 2011.

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There is a huge difference between starting to withdraw troops when the objectives changed in 2010 but ultimately NOT fully withdrawing due to the circumstances in 2011 and the Trump/Biden pull out where what everyone was saying would happen did happen (but without a civil war so far).

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The issue becomes at what point do you abandon ship when the sinking is inevitable? The US and Allies could never just stay forever. The Taliban succeeded so quickly because they could cast the US and Allied forces as an occupying force propping up a corrupt and failing government. All the support, training and preparation for the Afghani government to take over fell apart virtually instantly.

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It is still President Obama that started(yes they began pulling them out) the withdraw of US troops

I'm not making more of it than what it is, but the fact of the timeline is that the withdraw that happened under pres Biden started with pres Obama vice pres Biden

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I've always said "when do the countries man up and fight and/or other countries assist" it shouldn't be on the US. But they way they men just dropped their weapons and surrendered is sad.

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Some of ya'll must've forgot what Trumpy said.


“I started the process, all the troops are coming home,” he told supporters at a rally in Wellington, Ohio in late June. “What are we going to say? We’ll stay for another 21 years, then we’ll stay for another 50. The whole thing is ridiculous.” And few months before that, in April of this year, Trump was clear about where he stood: “We can and should get out earlier…Getting out of Afghanistan is a wonderful and positive thing to do. I planned to withdraw on May 1st.”

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TweetyV6 said:

PennyPurple said:

Nope, Trump started the pull-out, Biden is finishing it. We were there for 20 years, we trained them, we gave them equipment and left it all behind for them to use. Not our fault they are all pussies and won't fight to keep what was theirs.


Where are all the other Countries?


And as I type this, we are getting those people out. Happening right now. But of course trump didn't have a plan to help those people who worked for us.


Trump Derangement Syndrome detected.

Biden IS in control, he COULD have stopped the pull out.
And APPARENTLY 'he' doesn't have a plan either, because he thought this was never going to happen (this quick.) Senile old fart.

There were several other countries present in Afghanistan, you just don't know it.


Where are they?

There used to be several countries present, but where are they now?

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Reply #29 posted 08/16/21 3:58pm

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EmmaMcG said:

This is one of those situations where both sides of American politics fucked up and are trying to blame it solely on the other. Both sides are at fault. But Biden has to take more of the blame because he's currently president and he could have prevented this. And for him to say that he has no regrets about it after all we've seen over the last few days is unforgivable. He can say that he was taken by surprise at how it's all turned out and that's fair enough. He didn't have a crystal ball. But to see what's happened and still say he has no regrets is just astonishing. When it comes down to it, the only difference between him and Trump is that Biden is not a racist, adulterer or failed coup leader. But just like Trump he's still a piece of shit and incompetent.

Where's Ireland?

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