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Antifa attacks Christians

Those brave fascism fighters were out in full force in Portland protecting us all from the fascism of Christian music.

https://www.infowars.com/...-portland/


Antifa is authoritarian. I call it fascism you can can call it Stalinism, don't care. Same evil, same scumbags.

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Reply #1 posted 08/09/21 1:21pm

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razz razz

God just came down and told me this is fascism, but not to worry, she's working on shaving it off:

President Donald Trump stands on stage wearing a red MAGA hat as he speaks to supporters

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Reply #2 posted 08/09/21 2:53pm

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djThunderfunk said:

Those brave fascism fighters were out in full force in Portland protecting us all from the fascism of Christian music.

https://www.infowars.com/...-portland/


Antifa is authoritarian. I call it fascism you can can call it Stalinism, don't care. Same evil, same scumbags.

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So you are back to knowingly misusing a word despite telling Only that you know using fascism to describe anything but a form of far-right authoritarianism is factually wrong. A key problem with being an instrument of authoritiarians is that you must follow their propaganda.

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Funny how you missed that this was gangs of left-wing activists none of whom said they were Antifa clashing with gangs of right-wing activists dressed in Proud Boy colours with Andy Ngo there to push the antifa lie again. Sure someone in the Proud Boys said it was not them.

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The police say that the gathering was near the battleship memorial but the clashes between the far-right and far-left nutjobs started elsewhere. Some of the left-wing nutjobs engaged in shouting matches with right-wing nut jobs who were seperate from the 50 or so people gathered for the Christian event. As the Christian event broke up, there were clashes between the two gangs.

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Where is your indignation against the Proud Boys, one of who shot paintballs at a person in a wheelchair trying to stop their violence? Why are you only against one type of authoritarianism?

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Reply #3 posted 08/09/21 4:31pm

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IanRG said:

So you are back to knowingly misusing a word despite telling Only that you know using fascism to describe anything but a form of far-right authoritarianism is factually wrong.


What I said to Only exactly was:

djThunderfunk said:

Although I've been saying antifa are fascists for years, and still believe it, I'm willing to concede that they are merely Stalinists if that's the type of authoritarians they prefer to be labeled as.

Same difference, authoritarians by any name are the same type of people.


Didn't read the rest of your bullshit but I assume you refuse to acknowledge the Christians attacked by antifa were not at all fascists.

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Reply #4 posted 08/09/21 5:56pm

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djThunderfunk said:

IanRG said:

So you are back to knowingly misusing a word despite telling Only that you know using fascism to describe anything but a form of far-right authoritarianism is factually wrong.


What I said to Only exactly was:

djThunderfunk said:

Although I've been saying antifa are fascists for years, and still believe it, I'm willing to concede that they are merely Stalinists if that's the type of authoritarians they prefer to be labeled as.

Same difference, authoritarians by any name are the same type of people.


Didn't read the rest of your bullshit but I assume you refuse to acknowledge the Christians attacked by antifa were not at all fascists.

Sure, the Christians were fascists!

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Reply #5 posted 08/09/21 6:17pm

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So glad we have antifa to save us from singing Christains. What heroes.

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Reply #6 posted 08/09/21 6:42pm

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djThunderfunk said:

IanRG said:

So you are back to knowingly misusing a word despite telling Only that you know using fascism to describe anything but a form of far-right authoritarianism is factually wrong.


What I said to Only exactly was:

djThunderfunk said:

Although I've been saying antifa are fascists for years, and still believe it, I'm willing to concede that they are merely Stalinists if that's the type of authoritarians they prefer to be labeled as.

Same difference, authoritarians by any name are the same type of people.


Didn't read the rest of your bullshit but I assume you refuse to acknowledge the Christians attacked by antifa were not at all fascists.

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I know what you said to Only, and now you are backtracking from it - Pathetic

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There is not indication that Antifa was there - It was just a fight between a gang of far left nutjobs and far right nutjobs and you use Infowars and Andy Ngo to just make it up as being Antifa attacking church people for singing.

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I do not acknowledge that any far-left nut job is fascit because fascism is far-right authoritarianism - You know this but you have push the party line.

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Reply #7 posted 08/09/21 6:44pm

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So glad we have antifa to save us from singing Christains. What heroes.

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And people in wheelchairs defending people from attacks by far-right gangs. He was the hero, not the Proud Boys and their mouth piece Andy Ngo.

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Reply #8 posted 08/09/21 6:45pm

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IanRG said:

djThunderfunk said:


Didn't read the rest of your bullshit but I assume you refuse to acknowledge the Christians attacked by antifa were not at all fascists.

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I know what you said to Only, and now you are backtracking from it - Pathetic

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There is not indication that Antifa was there - It was just a fight between a gang of far left nutjobs and far right nutjobs and you use Infowars to just make it up as being a Andy Ngo saying it was Antifa attacking church people for singing.

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I do not acknowledge that any far-left nut job is fascsit because fascism is far-right authoritarianism - You know this but you have push the party line.


Deflecting for the authoritarians that attack Christians in the name of fight fascism. Classy!

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Reply #9 posted 08/09/21 6:56pm

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djThunderfunk said:

IanRG said:

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I know what you said to Only, and now you are backtracking from it - Pathetic

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There is not indication that Antifa was there - It was just a fight between a gang of far left nutjobs and far right nutjobs and you use Infowars to just make it up as being a Andy Ngo saying it was Antifa attacking church people for singing.

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I do not acknowledge that any far-left nut job is fascsit because fascism is far-right authoritarianism - You know this but you have push the party line.


Deflecting for the authoritarians that attack Christians in the name of fight fascism. Classy!

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I appreciate that you have trouble with the definitions of words - The far left are not far right, so not fascists and presenting facts that show Infowars and Andy Ngo are political fronts for far right extremists is not a deflection - I presented what the Police were saying, not what the fascist propaganda machine pushes - Your cancel culture tactics will not work.

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The facts are this was a fight between gangs that started on a different street from the Christian event. It later overflowed to park where the Christian event was being held. The Christian event finished but the two gangs continued. Both sides used low impact weapons like paintball guns where a Far-Right nutjob shot a person in a wheelchair because he tried to stop their violence. The police were there but no one was arrested.

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Reply #10 posted 08/11/21 12:34pm

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Infowars, haha. DJ has gone full wacko right wing. There is no Antifa.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #11 posted 08/11/21 4:32pm

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Got to wonder how the line on the new Prince album hits 'em.

Baby dreamin' about...A new world order
Ahh, But it's just a nightmare
If you still got borders, oh

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Reply #12 posted 08/13/21 6:53pm

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when you watch the clips presented(the ones the news in Oakland chose not to show) you see/here Black(and other folk) who are affected by the violence, yelling/crying at these woke white (antifi), anti cops a-holes, who don't give a damn about these peoples lives. They are so soulless they really think they know what is best for the people living in the areas affected by violence. And point blank, they are racist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oET_vLy042Q

Black Families CONFRONT Anti-Cop Antifa Protesters During Rally With Oakland Police To Stop Violence

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Reply #13 posted 08/15/21 9:16am

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2freaky4church1 said:

There is no Antifa.


Saying that makes you look stupid and invalidates everything else you might say.


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Reply #14 posted 08/15/21 9:22am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

when you watch the clips presented(the ones the news in Oakland chose not to show) you see/here Black(and other folk) who are affected by the violence, yelling/crying at these woke white (antifi), anti cops a-holes, who don't give a damn about these peoples lives. They are so soulless they really think they know what is best for the people living in the areas affected by violence. And point blank, they are racist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oET_vLy042Q

Black Families CONFRONT Anti-Cop Antifa Protesters During Rally With Oakland Police To Stop Violence


They like to insist that the definition of fascism is basically political right + authoritarianism, that the left, and therefore antifa itself, cannot be fascist by definition.

Yet antifa are nothing if not authoritarian.

Therefore it is not the authoritarian part of the definition of fascism that they have a problem with, in fact, they embrace authoritarianism.

The only part of the definition of fascism they are against is the "right", which to them is everyone that is not an authoritarian marxist.

Authoritarianism on behalf of the marxist left against ANYONE that is not on the marxist left is a perfectly justified means to an ends for these people.

And yes, they are overtly racist.

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Reply #15 posted 08/15/21 9:25am

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Now the authoritarian "antifa" is going after people protesting forced vaccinations:

https://www.breitbart.com...rotesters/


They need to expand their new definition of fascism to include singing Christians and people that want to make their own decisions about their health and what goes into their own body.


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Reply #16 posted 08/15/21 2:33pm

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djThunderfunk said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

when you watch the clips presented(the ones the news in Oakland chose not to show) you see/here Black(and other folk) who are affected by the violence, yelling/crying at these woke white (antifi), anti cops a-holes, who don't give a damn about these peoples lives. They are so soulless they really think they know what is best for the people living in the areas affected by violence. And point blank, they are racist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oET_vLy042Q

Black Families CONFRONT Anti-Cop Antifa Protesters During Rally With Oakland Police To Stop Violence


They like to insist that the definition of fascism is basically political right + authoritarianism, that the left, and therefore antifa itself, cannot be fascist by definition.

Yet antifa are nothing if not authoritarian.

Therefore it is not the authoritarian part of the definition of fascism that they have a problem with, in fact, they embrace authoritarianism.

The only part of the definition of fascism they are against is the "right", which to them is everyone that is not an authoritarian marxist.

Authoritarianism on behalf of the marxist left against ANYONE that is not on the marxist left is a perfectly justified means to an ends for these people.

And yes, they are overtly racist.

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I read your first sentence - That is because the definition of fascism is that it is form of far-right authoritarianism, therefore if you are not far-right, you cannot be fascist and if you are not that form of authoritarian, you cannot be fascist. The reason there are different words is because they generally have different meanings: "authoritarian" is a way of acting to push your political agenda and says nothing about what political alignment this has. "Fascism" is a subset of this because it sets the political agenda as being a form of far-right authoritarianism following the emergence of Mussolini, Hitler and Franco. It is important to understand that "fascism" outside of the far-right propagandist media does not mean "authoritarian".

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I also read the rest: If any non-far right group is authoritarian, it cannot be fascist simply because it fails to meet the definition of fascism. This applies no matter what free-thought the fascist media sources require their followers to give up so they can push their propaganda line at every opportunity.

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Pointing out the obsessive way the followers of the far-right media push a politically motivated false definition does not mean that everyone who understands the mistakes the far-right media is making must therefore embrace authoritarianism. This is a tactic used by the fascists in the Nazi party - If you complain about our propaganda, then you are either a communist or against Aryan superiority or you are Jew or Jew lover.

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It is just plain silly to think that people who understand the defintions of words and the history behind them must be both Marxists and authoritarian and then to think these people think everything else is "right". This would include the all the left wing who are non-authoritarian, all the left wing who are non-marxist even if some of these are a different form of authoritarian (eg Pol Pot), all the centerists etc. etc. etc.

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So all this is argues is if you are not with DJ, you are against DJ and are an authoritarian Marxist, therefore you are against everyone not from your group and must be racist. Sounds exactly like the running orders given to the Brown Shirts.

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The silly thing is all this is because you could not show the far-left nut jobs were from antifa because this is just the go to name by the far right media. Also you failed to read a reliable source that showed the fight between the far-right nut jobs (with Proud Boy embedded propagandist Andy Ngo with them) and far-left nut jobs who started fighting each other in different street from the park where the Christians were and it overflowed into the park. The Christian group broke up when they finshed and the two gangs kept on fighting each other. The police were there, but no arrests were made.

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Reply #17 posted 08/15/21 3:25pm

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djThunderfunk said:

Now the authoritarian "antifa" is going after people protesting forced vaccinations:

https://www.breitbart.com...rotesters/


They need to expand their new definition of fascism to include singing Christians and people that want to make their own decisions about their health and what goes into their own body.


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The only people making up new definitions of fascism are the far-right propanda machine.

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It is a circular logic error - you name the counter-protestors "antifa", so the protestors must "fa". The error is in the far-right media naming anyone who is against them must be "antifa" without appreciating the irony in this. These protestors were there as anti-vaxxers, not as fascists, so the counter-protestors were pro-vaxxers, not anti-fascists.

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Also in regard you believing that the definition of fascism needing to be expanded to cover Christians singing: This perpetuates the myth that the fight was with the Christians, not the Proud Boys, based on a lie as shown by the fact that the fight started elsewhere between two gangs and it overflowed into the park where the Christians were. Your suggestion also further clutters the definition of fascism - Religious groups are not free from sometimes being authoritarian but religious authoritarianism is also NOT fascism. There is a much longer history of authoritarianism in religions than just since Mussolini or Marx.

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I don't know anything about the Christian group in the park, but if they sought Proud Boy help for security rather than the Proud Boys just being there for a gang fight, then this could have been an example of the religious authoritarianism that is rife in fundamentalist churches - Unless you are accusing these Christians of selling out their religion for their politics, this should not be confused with fascism.

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Reply #18 posted 08/18/21 10:45am

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ALL authoritarians are evil fucking fascists. Those that want to justify their authoritarianism by playing semantic games with labels to hide their complicity can censored right off. tonk lol



[Edited 8/18/21 10:46am]

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Reply #19 posted 08/18/21 11:36am

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djThunderfunk said:

ALL authoritarians are evil fucking fascists. Those that want to justify their authoritarianism by playing semantic games with labels to hide their complicity can censored right off. tonk lol



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Are you saying the Communist Party of Cuba are fascists?

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Reply #20 posted 08/18/21 2:22pm

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djThunderfunk said:

ALL authoritarians are evil fucking fascists. Those that want to justify their authoritarianism by playing semantic games with labels to hide their complicity can censored right off. tonk lol



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No one except you is justifying authoritarianism.

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No one except those who have justified far-right authoritarianism and extremism by the failed coup leader, his proud boys and their embedded propagandist, Andy Ngo, are fooled by the silly attempt at the sematic change being pushed by the far-right propaganda and media machine.

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There is no sematic game with recognising the simple fact that fascism is a specific type of authoritarianism being the type of far-right authoritarianism that started with Mussolini, Hitler and Franco.

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There is no sematic game with recognising the simple fact that other forms of authoritarianism exist because authoritarianism is a method not a political alignment.

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There IS a sematic game being played on you by your leaders when they seek to change the meaning of words. They are manipulating you so you can feel comfortable that your support for the coup and those who attacked the BLM protests by pretending this is continuing the fight against fascists like Mussolini, Hitler and Franco. But really it is continuing the fight started by Mussolini, Hitler and Franco.

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I note that you still cannot admit that the fight between the two gangs started elsewhere and you misrepresented this by believing the proud boys embedded propagandist. Nor could you address that the protests between anti-vaxxers and pro-vaxxers was a protest between anti-vaxxers and pro-vaxxers.

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Reply #21 posted 08/18/21 2:30pm

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Whichever side it is coming from, violence is still violence.

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Reply #22 posted 08/18/21 3:42pm

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Whichever side it is coming from, violence is still violence.

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Exactly

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Reply #23 posted 08/21/21 5:46pm

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RichardS said:

djThunderfunk said:

ALL authoritarians are evil fucking fascists. Those that want to justify their authoritarianism by playing semantic games with labels to hide their complicity can censored right off. tonk lol



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Are you saying the Communist Party of Cuba are fascists?

Exactly. They do not understand the word "fascist".

All authoritarians are not fascists.

"Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation."

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Oops wrong thread.

[Edited 8/22/21 2:55am]

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Qanon is bad, right DJ?

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #26 posted 09/01/21 7:12am

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mixed race woman and kids blasts and Antifa blsm conference in shithole Portland Oregon

thee is video of the antifi assault on a group of people that she is talking about

Woman Crashes Portland Pr... - YouTube

https://youtu.be/jQMd9YWpUUw

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ufoclub said:

RichardS said:

Are you saying the Communist Party of Cuba are fascists?

Exactly. They do not understand the word "fascist".

All authoritarians are not fascists.

"Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation."


If this is the definition you like...

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.


"authoritarian" and "forcible suppression of opposition" are the qualities that matter to me.

Antifa embraces those qualities. As do ALL communists. Those that accept these qualities as long as they are not coming from the "far-right" are just as bad as those they claim to oppose.

Fuck ALL authoritarians and all those that support them and deflect for them.

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Reply #28 posted 09/09/21 12:09pm

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Something that flat out floors me is people's apparent ignorance to the similarities between communism and fascism. Both systems are frequently alluded to in terms of diametrically opposed ideology. But in reality, there's far more they have in common.

And although Communism may start out virtuously, with its more noble aims, it always ends up in the same, horrific place, with unnecessary millions dead. Just like fascism.

Cuba isn't really communist, economically, truth be told. So anyone pointing to its apparent success as a beacon of light for communism is clearly ignoring the fact it has private markets, that make up about a quarter of its output. Last I checked, it wasn't doing too well.

If Antifia self-identifies as a political movement, however loosely tied or decentralized, then it is a movement. And if they use violence, even if only in retaliation, they're still wrong. Which means, they still suck. https://g.co/kgs/Wkcn9N


The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - this is where all religions fall down.
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Reply #29 posted 09/09/21 12:54pm

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djThunderfunk said:

ufoclub said:

Exactly. They do not understand the word "fascist".

All authoritarians are not fascists.

"Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation."


If this is the definition you like...

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.


"authoritarian" and "forcible suppression of opposition" are the qualities that matter to me.

Antifa embraces those qualities. As do ALL communists. Those that accept these qualities as long as they are not coming from the "far-right" are just as bad as those they claim to oppose.

Fuck ALL authoritarians and all those that support them and deflect for them.

That argument is in essence saying the one homogenous group that make up the antifa movement are all (or nearly all, or mostly) as individuals far-right, authoritarian ultranationalists.

Which as a gross generalization is simply not true.

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