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Reply #1410 posted 09/20/21 4:29pm

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IanRG said:

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More pissing from you, more epic fails because your motive is just to attack.

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I know that you stuggle with nuance, but I am NOT using old mid 2020 metastudies as replacements for proper clinical trials to spriuk things like hydroxy-chhloroquine after it failed several proper clinical trials - this is NOT OK.

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Metastudies have their place and it is NOT to support the failed coup leader's wonder drug. The metastudy for the WHO was not a replaceement for a drug trial - it was on the analysisi of real world results that show that smokers are much more likely to be hospitalised or die as a result of Covid compared to non-smokers.

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Are you now saying smoking is not a lifestyle choice that increases the risks of death from Covid?

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As you said "Every single one of the 4 paragraphs in your post to which I responded with a GIF contained complete nonsense."

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One of these four paragraphs included me saying "Having said that, if you smoke, this will have a direct and immediate impact on how well you cope with covid."

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I take it, given your refusal to answer with anything but personal attacks, that you believe smoking is NOT a lifestyle choice that increases the risks of dieing if you get covid.

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Reply #1411 posted 09/20/21 4:32pm

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Bullshit - I am not the one continually seeking to discredit everyone.

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Double bullshit - You cannot answer these questions because you know you have no answer.

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More lies and inventions.


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It is simple, instead of seeking to discredit people and refusing to answer simple questions, you could just answer the questions:

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If the northern winter flu spike is because of the correlation between winter and the festive season, why is there no correlation between the flu season in the northern winter and Chinese New Year, when is the greatest winter festive migration on Earth?

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How is it complete nonsense to say smoking can be a key factor in higher death rates from people with Covid?

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Reply #1412 posted 09/20/21 5:37pm

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IanRG said:

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It is simple, instead of seeking to discredit people and refusing to answer simple questions, you could just answer the questions:

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If the northern winter flu spike is because of the correlation between winter and the festive season, why is there no correlation between the flu season in the northern winter and Chinese New Year, when is the greatest winter festive migration on Earth?

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How is it complete nonsense to say smoking can be a key factor in higher death rates from people with Covid?

Ian, don't feed the trolls. trolls

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Reply #1413 posted 09/21/21 6:12am

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The demonstrators also rallied against COVID-19 vaccine passports, which they claimed will disproportionately affect Black people.


"This vaccination card mandate to create more Sandra Blands, and more Breonna Taylors, it ends here," said organizer Kimberly Bernard during a speech.



Hawk Newsome, the founder of BLM Greater New York Chapter, said, "Listen, vaccine is a choice, it's a choice. You shouldn't exclude people from everyday activities because they choose not to engage in something they have every reason to doubt."



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Black Lives Matter holds ... (msn.com)

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Reply #1414 posted 09/21/21 6:17am

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3 reasons why the FDA rejected Pfizer's booster shot for general population

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Though the FDA rejected the booster for the general public by a large margin (16-2), the shot was endorsed unanimously for the elderly and immunocom...in the U.S.

Three reasons were behind the decisions, FitzGerald said. “One, the evidence just wasn’t there. A lot of the evidence was in that elderly population which guided them,” she said. Data on the effectiveness and necessity of booster shots is not yet complete, she noted, and could take several more months before they may be recommended for the general public.

A general lack of data on the subject prompted the FDA to conclude that more research needs to be done with a broader range of subjects before the booster shots are to be administered beyond the most vulnerable populations.

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3 reasons why the FDA rej... (msn.com)

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Reply #1415 posted 09/21/21 6:24am

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San Francisco’s mayor blasted for dancing maskless at a crowded club. She called her critics the ‘fun police.’

Julian Mark 1 hr ago

At San Francisco’s Black Cat club last Wednesday, Mayor London Breed (D) rose from her seat and started getting down to the music.

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But after a San Francisco Chr...ed a video of the mayor busting moves at the nightclub, critics noted that Breed may have been violating a city health order: She wasn’t wearing a mask, a requirement for patrons who are not eating or drinking indoors.



“Elected officials have a greater responsibility to model the behavior that’s necessary to control the pandemic,” John Swartzberg, an infectious-disease expert at the University of California at Berkeley, told the Chronicle. “Any time the elected officials behave like this, it undermines public confidence in them and that translates to people saying, ‘Well, if the mayor can do this, I can.’ ”

The mayor deflected criticism at a Friday news conference, insisting that she was nursing a drink when she started feeling the music. “I got up and started dancing because I was feeling the spirit and I wasn’t thinking about a mask.”


She also implied that adhering to the city’s mask mandate might not be necessary. “Make sure you are vaccinated because of the requirements, but don’t feel as though you have to be micromanaged about mask-wearing,” the mayor told reporters. “Like, we don’t need the fun police to come in and try and micromanage and tell us what we should or shouldn’t be doing.”


San Francisco’s mayor b... (msn.com)

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Reply #1416 posted 09/21/21 6:51am

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Law Firm Seeks to Take COVID Misinformation Spreaders to Court
By Alexis Rivas • Published September 20, 2021 • Updated on September 20, 2021 at 8:55 pm

Challenging vaccine misinformation – not online – but in a courtroom. An attorney based out of Salt Lake City is gearing up to file mass action lawsuits across the country.

Lowe and her late husband Mikel, a San Diego County native and federal firefighter, both believed - and even shared - vaccine misinformation. That is, until he got COVID, and died at just 38-years-old.

“We honestly thought that COVID was mostly political," said Lowe. "That the vaccine mandates were mostly political. We did not think that it would impact our family. And here we are today, and it’s completely devastated my family.”

A recent Center for Countering Digital Hate study identified 12 people responsible for generating more than 65 percent of vaccine misinformation online, the so-called “Disinformation Dozen.”

“They really are a very small and tight group of people who are responsible for a tremendous amount of damage," says Rothschild. "Those are the people who should be held accountable for this.”
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Reply #1417 posted 09/21/21 7:34am

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sounds like she should just be responsible and accountable for herself.

lol Lawyers are like the half note of spreading misinformation as a job

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Reply #1418 posted 09/21/21 7:54am

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Law Firm Seeks to Take COVID Misinformation Spreaders to Court By Alexis Rivas • Published September 20, 2021 • Updated on September 20, 2021 at 8:55 pm Challenging vaccine misinformation – not online – but in a courtroom. An attorney based out of Salt Lake City is gearing up to file mass action lawsuits across the country. Lowe and her late husband Mikel, a San Diego County native and federal firefighter, both believed - and even shared - vaccine misinformation. That is, until he got COVID, and died at just 38-years-old. “We honestly thought that COVID was mostly political," said Lowe. "That the vaccine mandates were mostly political. We did not think that it would impact our family. And here we are today, and it’s completely devastated my family.” A recent Center for Countering Digital Hate study identified 12 people responsible for generating more than 65 percent of vaccine misinformation online, the so-called “Disinformation Dozen.” “They really are a very small and tight group of people who are responsible for a tremendous amount of damage," says Rothschild. "Those are the people who should be held accountable for this.”

Yes, accountability for spreading misinformation that leads to suffering and harm is a good thing. I have a feeling a lot of people are goong to go after these sources as reality snks in.

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Reply #1419 posted 09/21/21 8:00am

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IanRG said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


So you went to university?


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This is not a pissing competition.

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I note you still cannot answer the two questions I asked:

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1) If the northern winter flu spike is because of the correlation between winter and the festive season, why is there no correlation between the flu season in the northern winter and Chinese New Year, when is the greatest winter festive migration on Earth?

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2) How is it complete nonsense to say smoking can be a key factor in higher death rates from people with Covid?

So on a blue monday I did something w. Chemistry and Physiscs and my sister has a PhD in Bio-Chemistry (@RWTH in Aachen, Germany). Recently we chat a lot about SARS CoV 2 and Covid. Especially the PCR test (which she has worked with A LOT) and the behaviour of the virus; how it spreads and why & how it mutates.

The SARS-C0V-2 virus has a (protective)lipid envelope which is sensitive to relative humidity. When it get's too humid, the lipid envelope will 'dissolve' and the virus will die.

SO:

1) It's not so much the festive season, but the season with little UV (daylight) and low relative humidity. Climate. Especially to be found in northern/central europe and north eastern US during the autum/winter on the northern hemisphere

The SARS-CoV-2 virus 'docks' on to the ACE-2 receptors of human cells. If you block these receptors, then the virus cannot dock and thus cannot reproduce/cause harm


2) polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in cigarette smoke can bind to and activate aryl hydrocarbon receptors (AHRs). A receptor is a structure on the surface of a cell or inside it that is shaped to receive and bind to a particular substance.

Scientists at Japan’s Hiroshima University have identified two drugs that imitate the effect of chemicals in cigarette smoke to bind to receptor cells that some ...nter cells, inhibiting the virus’s ability to infect humans.



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Loooong edit with some more explanation.




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Reply #1420 posted 09/21/21 9:37am

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Chivona Newsome, the other co-founder of BLM NYC, targeted Mayor Bill de Blasio’s vaccine mandate more specifically in her remarks. She implied that the edict has resulted in repeats of historical episodes when blacks were disenfranchised from society.

“Seventy-two percent of black people in this city from ages 18 to 44 are unvaccinated. So what is going to stop the Gestapo, I mean the NYPD, from rounding up black people, from snatching them off the train, off the bus?” she added.

Chivona Newsome suggested that if these incidents continue, Black Lives Matter could revolt to exact justice like it did after George Floyd’s death.

“We’re putting this city on notice, that your mandate will not be another racist social-distance practice. Black people are not going to stand by, or you will see another uprising. And that is not a threat; that is a promise,” she said. “The vaccination passport is not a free passport to racism.”


Kimberly Bernard, the co-founder of the Black Women’s March, echoed the charge that COVID restrictions are being weaponized against minorities.

“We are serving notice on the mayor, on the governor, on the restaurant industry that we will not allow for you to use this pandemic, vaccination cards, and masks as another reason to be racist, to put us in prison. Because there’s enough of us in there,” she said.

A man from Rise and Resist, a direct-action group that formed in resistance to the 2016 election of former president Donald Trump, turned the conversation to the partisan blame game that’s exploded amid the pandemic.

“The Republican Party and elected officials and pundits on Fox News try to blame the entirety of the unvaccinated COVID crisis on black people, even though black people are twelve percent of the population,” he said.

But while the speaker said the political Right is guilty of pinning the pandemic on the unvaccinated, of whom many are blacks, a female African American in the crowd told National Review a different tale.



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Reply #1421 posted 09/21/21 9:39am

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But while the speaker said the political Right is guilty of pinning the pandemic on the unvaccinated, of whom many are blacks, a female African American in the crowd told National Review a different tale.

A college student with experience in the restaurant industry, Maya, who did not provide her last name, said her community is struggling to recognize that Democrats, not Republicans, are spearheading vaccine mandates and therefore resurrecting racial discrimination and conflict.


“Most black people aren’t going to acknowledge that the Democratic Party has disenfranchised us. Malcom X said it’s fox and wolves. The fox pretends to be your friend to your face but passes laws behind your back to harm you. The wolf is not your friend, they don’t like you, and they treat you as such. But who do you respect more? Black people tend to fall for the fox,” Maya said.



She said her job is in jeopardy now because she’s refused the vaccine, another issue of economic equity that she says Democrats are not acknowledging.


“This vaccine mandate is disproportionately affecting people of color. People shouldn’t be forced to do it. It’s ‘for your health,’ but they’re willing to ruin people’s lives to protect against a virus with over a 99 percent survival rate. . . . This is going to be the new Jim Crow, and it’s going to affect mostly people of color,” she said.

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Reply #1422 posted 09/21/21 9:54am

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Are people that stupid they choose to make Covid a political issue? confused


The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.

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Reply #1423 posted 09/21/21 11:41am

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Are people that stupid they choose to make Covid a political issue? confused




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Reply #1424 posted 09/21/21 11:49am

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But while the speaker said the political Right is guilty of pinning the pandemic on the unvaccinated, of whom many are blacks, a female African American in the crowd told National Review a different tale.


A college student with experience in the restaurant industry, Maya, who did not provide her last name, said her community is struggling to recognize that Democrats, not Republicans, are spearheading vaccine mandates and therefore resurrecting racial discrimination and conflict.



“Most black people aren’t going to acknowledge that the Democratic Party has disenfranchised us. Malcom X said it’s fox and wolves. The fox pretends to be your friend to your face but passes laws behind your back to harm you. The wolf is not your friend, they don’t like you, and they treat you as such. But who do you respect more? Black people tend to fall for the fox,” Maya said.





She said her job is in jeopardy now because she’s refused the vaccine, another issue of economic equity that she says Democrats are not acknowledging.



“This vaccine mandate is disproportionately affecting people of color. People shouldn’t be forced to do it. It’s ‘for your health,’ but they’re willing to ruin people’s lives to protect against a virus with over a 99 percent survival rate. . . . This is going to be the new Jim Crow, and it’s going to affect mostly people of color,” she said.




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If she’s working in a restaurant and has contact with the public and has remained unvaccinated, her job SHOULD be in jeopardy! Imagine how many people she could possibly infect?

“Freedom “ is not unlimited- You don’t have the freedom to smoke in public places, you don’t have the freedom to ride a motorcycle without a helmet or drive drunk either. There are times when the good of many overrides individuals concepts of “freedom “
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