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BLM Issues Statement Supporting Cuban Communist Dictatorship and blames the US

And people laughed when we called BLM exactly what they are MARXIST RACISTS

https://www.dailymail.co....egime.html

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Reply #1 posted 07/15/21 9:14am

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Somebody breakout the violins… more whining about BLM, because once again no one is suppose to question or blame the U.S. for anything it may have had its hand in, even if it’s its own history or its involvement in another country’s affairs. Even when its own citizens attacked the Capitol and threatened to harm American, elected officials. Just verbally attack anyone, especially BLM, if one chooses to question America of such or any possible acts of wrongdoing/injustices here or anywhere else.

As long as righties attack anyone bold enough to call out this country for its wrongs, here or elsewhere, then righties will always make those people or organizations their ‘enemies’ and go out of their way to degrade them. Nothing new here.
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Reply #2 posted 07/15/21 1:32pm

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What's happening here is that Cubans are calling out the Cuban (Marxist) gouvernement out for its wrongs and that BLM (self described "trained Marxists") say no, no, it's all the fault of the big bad USofA!
So yeah, nothing new here, the righties will always find a way to attack the lefties and vice versa.
For the record: I think that Obama was right to lift the sanctions on Cuba and Trump was wrong for bringing them back. Which once again goes to show that all of this is more about American politics than it is about Cuba. Let the people of Cuba be free! So down with sanctions and down with the communists!
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Reply #3 posted 07/15/21 1:48pm

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I read the article again and I see that BLM also supports the actions of Cuban troops in civil wars in Angola and other African countries. I guess black lives didn't matter very much there?
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Reply #4 posted 07/16/21 7:51am

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SantanaMaitreya said:

I read the article again and I see that BLM also supports the actions of Cuban troops in civil wars in Angola and other African countries. I guess black lives didn't matter very much there?

Wouldn’t you have to research what those civil wars were/are about, because that last part of your comment doesn’t seem to have anything to do with how they feel about what those civil wars are about.
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Reply #5 posted 07/16/21 8:14am

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I'm no expert, but I do know a few things about it. South Africa was also involved. Can you imagine someone praising them? What's happening in Cuba is that people are protesting against a dictatorship. Not much different from protesting against racism if you ask me. But instead, BLM praises the regime. We used to have a poster here called Hausofmoi who always blamed everything that went wrong in Venezuela on American sanctions. I vote for the left, but why some lefties are so fond of communist dictators is beyond me. In the 1930s we had intellectuals like George Bernard Shaw praising Stalin and the Sovjet Union. It's true that the US played a very dirty role in Latin America, but that doesn't mean that the other side is without faults. It's this black and white thinking of this side is always right and that side is always wrong that I don't like.
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Reply #6 posted 07/16/21 9:33am

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Liebomb! lol

Hands off Cuba...end the embargo. Most Cubans love it. A majority of people in Miami are against the embargo.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #7 posted 07/17/21 8:04am

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AOC calls out Biden for defending 'absurdly cruel' embargo on Cuba while expressing support for Cuban protestors

insider@insider.com (John Haltiwanger) 23 hrs ago

a person standing in front of a crowd: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) speaks during an event outside Union Station June 16, 2021 in Washington, DC. Ocasio-Cortez, joined by Rep. Seth Moulton (D-NY) and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), called for increased federal funding for high-speed rail in the infrastructure package being discussed on Capitol Hill. Win McNamee/Getty Images© Win McNamee/Getty Images Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) speaks during an event outside Union Station June 16, 2021 in Washington, DC. Ocasio-Cortez, joined by Rep. Seth Moulton (D-NY) and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), called for increased federal funding for high-speed rail in the infrastructure package being discussed on Capitol Hill. Win McNamee/Getty Images

Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Thursday expressed solidarity with anti-government, pro-democracy protestors in Cuba while also ripping into the decades-old US embargo on Cuba and the Biden administration's ongoing support for it.

"The embargo is absurdly cruel and, like too many other U.S. policies targeting Latin Americans, the cruelty is the point. I outright reject the Biden administration's defense of the embargo," Ocasio-Cortez said.

The New York Democrat also condemned the "anti-democratic actions" of the government of Cuban President Miguel Díaz-Canel, saying, "The suppression of media, speech and protest are all gross violations of civil rights."

But she underscored that the US embargo on Cuba, which has been the centerpiece of Washington's policy toward the island nation for six decades, is also contributing to the suffering of Cubans.

Ocasio-Cortez's rebuke of the embargo came after Cuba this week saw the largest anti-government demonstrations in decades, ignited by a desire for more freedoms and an escalating economic crisis.


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Reply #8 posted 07/17/21 8:27am

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Miami Democrats, progressives and Black Lives Matter torn on Cuba protests response

Alex Daugherty, Miami Herald 21 hrs ago

MIAMI – For four days, the Democratic Progressive Caucus of Florida deliberated and drafted a statement in response to historic anti-regime protests in Cuba.

Karen Bass et al. wearing costumes: Hundreds of people participate in a community-wide rally in support of freedom in Cuba at the Cuban Memorial at Miami's Tamiami Park, Tuesday, July 13, 2021.© Michael Laughlin/TNS Hundreds of people participate in a community-wide rally in support of freedom in Cuba at the Cuban Memorial at Miami's Tamiami Park, Tuesday, July 13, 2021.

On Thursday, the organization made its position public. The statement didn’t include support for the protests or call out violence from the Cuban military and police. Instead, it focused on a call to end the U.S. embargo.

“The DPCF demands the one thing that the United States has within its power to do right now that we know will immediately and measurably improve the lives of the Cuban people suffering on the island: President Biden, lift the Cuban embargo now!” the organization said.

Michael Calderin, a Cuban-American who serves as president of the Florida Progressive Caucus, said support for the protests and condemning police brutality weren’t included in the statement “because we didn’t feel it was necessary.”

“I would like to think the statement is very focused on what we can do to help the people in Cuba,” Calderin said. “That’s got to be number one. I understand our approach there is a bit different than most.”

Manny Diaz, a Cuban-American who is chairman of the Florida Democratic Party, said the state party was not consulted or made aware of the Progressive Caucus statement.

“It’s completely, factually incorrect and it plays into the communist playbook that the U.S. is always a bogeyman,” Diaz said, emphasizing that the Progressive Caucus’ position is not the position of the state party.

Dems divided three ways

The divide between Democrats on Cuba in the last week cuts three ways. South Florida Democrats in elected office have urged President Joe Biden to do more and use the protests to show Cubans the United States’ commitment to human rights and democracy. Progressives have called for an end to the embargo and criticized longtime U.S. opposition to Havana — while largely ignoring the protests on the streets and violent crackdowns in response. And the White House occupies a middle ground, condemning violence against protesters but continuing to say that policy changes are under review.

“It’s a missed opportunity by this group of Democrats to convey that while they oppose the U.S. embargo against Cuba that they also condemn the abhorrent treatment of Cuba’s communist leadership against the multiracial coalition of Cubans, young and old, who have never done this before,” said Mike Hernandez, a Democratic strategist and analyst at Miami’s Spanish-language Telemundo 51 TV station.

The Florida Progressive Caucus statement came a day after the national Black Lives Matter organization released a statement that did not voice support for protesters, many who are are Afro-Cuban, facing brutal crackdowns from military and police forces.

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Reply #9 posted 07/19/21 4:39am

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Still waiting for truthbomb to actually drop a truthbomb.

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Reply #10 posted 07/19/21 11:58am

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Truthbomb must hate Prince since P was left wing.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #11 posted 07/19/21 5:42pm

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Since I am Cuban and I live in Cuba, I feel a certain way which may differ from how others may feel depending on your vantage point. I remember that my grandma used to say 'I don't care who's in power as long as I have something to put on the table and clothes to put on my back'. I think what we saw happening in the streets of Cuba speaks to that more than left or right. And you may think well socialism brings about poverty. How could you want to live under such a system. A lot of Cubans who have benefitted from the Revolution feel torn. We want it gone but at the same time we accord it a little bit of good will because it is undeniable that there have been good things.

The embargo is real but at times you feel as if the government is only using it as a scapegoat to deflect attention from their inefficiency. But its real and it affects the people not the government who it supposedly targets. So if Congress lifted it, then maybe we could answer once and for all the question of who's to blame.

Is the government a dictatorship? Yes. Is there democracy in our country? No. But then I look at the Democratic countries in the region and I see more illiteracy and crime than in my country. So, it's a tough proposition.
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Reply #12 posted 07/20/21 6:17am

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appreciate the insights Wilmer.

I've been following the story with a scepticial eye, it's hard to discern the truth based on the media, whether social or otherwise, at the moment.

From what I can tell, and do correct me here Wilmer, there's serious unrest and unhappiness that's a lot related to the currency change that came at the exact wrong moment as covid killed all tourism money, and the current leader is simply not popular at the best of times? The 50 year-long ever-worsening economic blockade is doing its job as designed, which is hurt the poor to the point that they will say "I don't care, anything is better than this" and overthrow the government, but it's not the precise cause of the current problem.

One broader insight into this that people don't take into consideration is that parliamentary democracy is not an end point, it's not an ideal system, it's a compromise in of itself. Overthrowing a dictator and installing free-trade and free elections, all at US gunpoint, doesn't have a great track record.

As i've said before, being given the world as it stands, i'd rather be poor in Cuba than poor in America but i'd rather be rich in America than rich in Cuba!

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Reply #13 posted 07/20/21 8:03am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Truthbomb must hate Prince since P was left wing.


Uh no Prince had mostly CONSERVATIVE values…good try though
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Reply #14 posted 07/20/21 8:51am

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jaawwnn said:

appreciate the insights Wilmer.

I've been following the story with a scepticial eye, it's hard to discern the truth based on the media, whether social or otherwise, at the moment.

From what I can tell, and do correct me here Wilmer, there's serious unrest and unhappiness that's a lot related to the currency change that came at the exact wrong moment as covid killed all tourism money, and the current leader is simply not popular at the best of times? The 50 year-long ever-worsening economic blockade is doing its job as designed, which is hurt the poor to the point that they will say "I don't care, anything is better than this" and overthrow the government, but it's not the precise cause of the current problem.

One broader insight into this that people don't take into consideration is that parliamentary democracy is not an end point, it's not an ideal system, it's a compromise in of itself. Overthrowing a dictator and installing free-trade and free elections, all at US gunpoint, doesn't have a great track record.

As i've said before, being given the world as it stands, i'd rather be poor in Cuba than poor in America but i'd rather be rich in America than rich in Cuba!





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You are right about everything you are saying here, jaawwn. The government says that changes are necessary but they picked the wrong time to do it. In all honesty, our economy could have been different if we had gone the way of China or Vietnam many years ago, I mean, about 60 years ago. Now they are realizing without admitting it that Fidel screwed up the economy by giving away too much. Now, they're making changes that while necessary come at the wrong moment. The government is in the middle of a liquidity crisis worsened by restrictions imposed by Trump sanctions.

Cuba has always relied on imports and now with food prices going through the roof in the world market, it is a luxury the government can't afford as they're spread way too thin. They're also spending money on buying inputs to produce the vaccine. In a nutshell, they're up shit Creek without a paddle. But honestly, people are just too tired of sticking it out with them, waiting for plans to grow the economy to pan out to be disappointed.
It's been 60 years.

The protests, while unprecedented, will not change anything. The government will try to ease the situation but there will not be any fundamental systemic changes that threaten their hold on power
. Also, it was only thousands of people, there's a multitude of people who are either indifferent or just uncertain of what will be on the other end. There are those who think that we will replace our current headaches with others if we were to become a capitalist country like any of the others in the region. Others wouldn't mind becoming Puerto Rico.

The bottom line is people want to live better. Here's some food for thought: through the years I've known folks who left the country to go live in Florida and wax poetically about living in America and when they get a chance they pop down to Cuba to get health care because they slip a doctor here a 100 and they get preferential treatment. It's actually a sad commentary about both systems.
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"As Fidel ascends to the realm of the ancestors, we summons his guidance, strength and power as we recommit ourselves to the struggle for universal freedom. Fidel Vive!"

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Reply #16 posted 07/21/21 11:17am

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"One of the things that we want to communicate is

our solidarity with the Cuban people

And what's extrodinarily import for us..communicate as well is the action, the US contributes to the sufferings of Cubans on the island as well

And that is directly related to the embargo the US embargo

The cruelty is the point

and I outrightly reject the Biden adm defense of the embargo"

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Reply #17 posted 07/22/21 5:03pm

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The Cuban protests have stopped. There are massive protests in Columbia, nobody cares.

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Reply #18 posted 07/22/21 6:24pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

The Cuban protests have stopped. There are massive protests in Columbia, nobody cares.



Touche. That's the double standard.
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Reply #19 posted 07/25/21 5:07pm

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I think we, the U.S., should take in everyone in Cuba (and everyone in Hong Kong) that protests their oppressive communist government while carrying the American flag. These are the immigrants we want, they understand the value of freedom and the oppression of communism.

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Reply #20 posted 07/26/21 6:45am

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Well it's certainly a better policy than funding fascist death squads and overthrowing any leader who is a little to the left of Mussolini but i'd be surprised if "these are patriots" will win in an argument against "these are foreigners" in 2021 USA.

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Reply #21 posted 07/26/21 7:19am

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djThunderfunk said:

I think we, the U.S., should take in everyone in Cuba (and everyone in Hong Kong) that protests their oppressive communist government while carrying the American flag. These are the immigrants we want, they understand the value of freedom and the oppression of communism.

Agreed but that will never happen because they don't vote the "correct" way. Same with the Vietnamese.

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See the endless articles from the 2020 election saying that Vietnamese were uneducated victims of fake news because they voted for Trump and Cubans gaining honorary white status in Florida from outraged liberals.

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Reply #22 posted 07/27/21 10:23am

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djThunderfunk said:

I think we, the U.S., should take in everyone in Cuba (and everyone in Hong Kong) that protests their oppressive communist government while carrying the American flag. These are the immigrants we want, they understand the value of freedom and the oppression of communism.


I think it would be better to support those movements. These protestors don't want to move to the US, they want that same democracy in their country.
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Strive said:



djThunderfunk said:


I think we, the U.S., should take in everyone in Cuba (and everyone in Hong Kong) that protests their oppressive communist government while carrying the American flag. These are the immigrants we want, they understand the value of freedom and the oppression of communism.




Agreed but that will never happen because they don't vote the "correct" way. Same with the Vietnamese.


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See the endless articles from the 2020 election saying that Vietnamese were uneducated victims of fake news because they voted for Trump and Cubans gaining honorary white status in Florida from outraged liberals.


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I didn't know Trump ran for president in Vietnam?! confuse
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OldFriends4Sale said:



"As Fidel ascends to the realm of the ancestors, we summons his guidance, strength and power as we recommit ourselves to the struggle for universal freedom. Fidel Vive!"



black lives matter global network November 27, 2016



If anyone ever needed proof that BLM stands for Big Looney Morons, than this is it.
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Reply #25 posted 07/27/21 12:59pm

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I didn't know Trump ran for president in Vietnam?! confuse

If he did, he would have won. That little communist nation loved Trump. Haha.

But I'm talking about articles like this.

Misled and misinformed: Why Vietnamese voters make up the largest Asian demographic in favor of Trump



https://www.stanforddaily.com/2020/11/10/misled-and-misinformed-why-vietnamese-voters-make-up-the-largest-asian-demographic-in-favor-of-trump/

Vietnamese community reacts after South Vietnam flag flies at violent Capitol riot



https://www.sunherald.com/news/local/counties/harrison-county/article248496455.html


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Reply #26 posted 07/27/21 1:30pm

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TruthBomb said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Truthbomb must hate Prince since P was left wing.

Uh no Prince had mostly CONSERVATIVE values…good try though


Wasn't he pro BLM? And didn't he to wake people up to systemic racism, as well as rail against corporate captialism? Seems that all these things are documented.

The new album says what?

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Reply #27 posted 07/27/21 2:23pm

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ufoclub said:

TruthBomb said:

2freaky4church1 said: Uh no Prince had mostly CONSERVATIVE values…good try though


Wasn't he pro BLM? And didn't he to wake people up to systemic racism, as well as rail against corporate captialism? Seems that all these things are documented.

The new album says what?

what's that great Paul Simon lyric; "A man believes what he wants to believes, and disregards the rest"

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Reply #28 posted 07/27/21 4:25pm

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Biden and crew support a right wing rapper pushing anti Cuba propaganda pushed by the deep state. You cannot script this.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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