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Reply #30 posted 07/06/21 4:25pm

2elijah

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IanRG said:




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Negative again.



The Christian ideal is to not hate them. Even thought they are doing Satan's work and trying to destroy and enslave us, we shouldn't hate them.



I am not giving up that ideal even as I call a spade a spade.



You are evil. You work for Satan. It's pointless to talk to you. I pray you repent but I doubt you will.



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I pray that you see the hate you show to anyone who disagrees with you by calling them evil and working for Satan and pointless to talk them for what it is.


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This reminds me of those who had reduced what they were taught by God to simple rules and, therefore, criticised Jesus for healing the sick on the Sabbath. Those seeking to tell others that they are evil for seeking to do good.


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If the Christian ideal is just not hating others, then I am no Christian. That I know being a Christian is so much more than that is why I am a Christian. We are at our best when we seek to raise everyone up equally and equitably - when we love all of our neighbours as ourselves - not just the white ones, not just the far right ones, not just the GoP ones, not just the Christian ones - all of God's Creation.


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What is that about? I don’t see anyone trying to have power over anyone in this thread.
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Reply #31 posted 07/12/21 2:21pm

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Catholic Church will deny, obfuscate, and try and stop this every step along the way. Eventually if they are forced into a corner they will do everything they can to spread the guilt and not pay a penny in reperations. All of this happened here in Ireland over the past 30 years and will happen again with this story.

Strive's posts, including his weird twist into making it about fighting communism, are versions of the arguments you will hear.

To put it in terms he would like, the Catholic Church will never, ever take personal responsibility for its own actions.

I say don't fall for their lies, they know what they did, they have records, and its in their interests to keep them private and locked away.


And i say all this having only ever had very positive personal experiences with our churches and the clergy here.
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Reply #32 posted 07/12/21 2:26pm

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Here, I posted this in another thread a few weeks back, if anyone wants a well written piece on a very, very, similar situation, give it a read (it's quite long)

Architectures of Containment
Clair Wills

The London Review of Books

https://lrb.co.uk/the-pap...ontainment
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Reply #33 posted 07/12/21 3:21pm

IanRG

jaawwnn said:

Catholic Church will deny, obfuscate, and try and stop this every step along the way. Eventually if they are forced into a corner they will do everything they can to spread the guilt and not pay a penny in reperations. All of this happened here in Ireland over the past 30 years and will happen again with this story. Strive's posts, including his weird twist into making it about fighting communism, are versions of the arguments you will hear. To put it in terms he would like, the Catholic Church will never, ever take personal responsibility for its own actions. I say don't fall for their lies, they know what they did, they have records, and its in their interests to keep them private and locked away. And i say all this having only ever had very positive personal experiences with our churches and the clergy here.

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As will the Canadian government - Indeed they already did. The program of forced separation and assimllation was a Canadian Government program, not a Catholic one.

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Sometimes spreading the guilt is recognising shared blame. Sometimes seeking to switch the focus so it is on one group's involvement with your policy is just Trudeau covering his own arse.

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Reply #34 posted 07/13/21 6:29am

jaawwnn

IanRG said:

jaawwnn said:

Catholic Church will deny, obfuscate, and try and stop this every step along the way. Eventually if they are forced into a corner they will do everything they can to spread the guilt and not pay a penny in reperations. All of this happened here in Ireland over the past 30 years and will happen again with this story. Strive's posts, including his weird twist into making it about fighting communism, are versions of the arguments you will hear. To put it in terms he would like, the Catholic Church will never, ever take personal responsibility for its own actions. I say don't fall for their lies, they know what they did, they have records, and its in their interests to keep them private and locked away. And i say all this having only ever had very positive personal experiences with our churches and the clergy here.

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As will the Canadian government - Indeed they already did. The program of forced separation and assimllation was a Canadian Government program, not a Catholic one.

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Sometimes spreading the guilt is recognising shared blame. Sometimes seeking to switch the focus so it is on one group's involvement with your policy is just Trudeau covering his own arse.

Sure, I probably went too hard on the catholic church alone there, these things require collusion from the state to happen effectively. Got it a bit carried away with how angry what happened here makes me, seems to be a very similar situation (with a different group), i.e. Government funded, government mandated, and church-run.

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Reply #35 posted 07/20/21 7:42am

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Another church was burned down last night. This time a Coptic Orthodox church.

Making it the 18th arson attack since June 21st and the fifth time an immigrant community church was burned.

#1 & #2 June 21, 2021... lands, BC

#3 & #4 June 26, 2021...soyoos, BC

#5 June 28, 2021 - Siksik...Church, AB

#6 June 28, 2021 - Abando... attempts)

#7 June 30, 2021 - St. Je...nville, AB

#8 June 30, 2021 - St. Ka...Nation, NS

#9 July 1, 2021 - St. Pat...knife, NWT

#10 July 1, 2021 - St. Pa...n land, BC

#11 July 2, 2021 - St. Co...Tofino, BC

#12 July 4, 2021 - The Ho...algary, AB

#13 July 6, 2021 - Johnsf...River, ONT

#14 July 4, 2021 - Trinit...George, BC

#15 July 8, 2021 - Unknow...katoon, SK

#16 July 10, 2021 - Grace...elowna, BC

#17 July 10, 2021 - Our L...Nation, AB

#18 July 19, 2021 - St. G...Surrey, BC

Other Burnings of note, recent, but unrelated to Kamloops:

September 28, 2020 - Wesl...ation, ONT

April 23, 2021 - St. Fran...iskat, ONT

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Reply #36 posted 07/20/21 7:50am

jaawwnn

You're going to reap just what you sow.


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Reply #37 posted 07/20/21 2:27pm

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You're going to reap just what you sow.


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And just what are the arsonists sowing?

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This is not a protest against symbols such as statues, burning down churches is more akin to far right violence like the Oklahoma bombing or Jan 6th.

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Reply #38 posted 07/20/21 6:23pm

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Interesting….I knew sooner or later the U.S.’s hands in those boarding schools would be questioned, after what has been exposed in Canada.

https://www.buzzfeednews....tal-health

The US Is Now Investigating Its Deadly Indian Boarding School System, And Native Americans Are In Dire Need Of Mental Health Support

“People are getting retriggered with each new calamity in a way that’s paralyzing. The level of grieving is almost electric.”

By Brianna Sacks
Last updated on July 19, 2021, at 4:31 p.m. ET
Posted on July 16, 2021, at 2:00 p.m. ET

Since the remains of more than 1,000 Indigenous children were found buried at former boarding schools in Canada, survivors and their descendants on the US side of the border expressed their own share of outrage and heartbreak, filling Facebook and other social media platforms with personal stories of brutal treatment and even more death.

“Sheldon Jackson [College in Alaska] was run by Presbyterians. They abused my mother and her sisters and killed her twin sister,” a survivor wrote in a Facebook group.

Another survivor commented that he went to this “hell school from the 60s to the 70s and [he] remember[ed] the mean nuns, all of there names.”

“I hated that school Dzilthnaodithhle community school [in New Mexico] I was one of the kids who was abused,” another shared.

As the communal, intergenerational trauma continues to build, advocates and leaders in the US are gearing up for a reckoning that’s just beginning and could create an unprecedented need for culturally informed mental health services. After First Nation officials announced the first set of hundreds of unmarked graves in May, the Canadian government’s dedicated helpline saw more than triple its typical calls from Indigenous people seeking counseling or other crisis-related services, a spokesperson told BuzzFeed News. But in the US, Native Americans continue to carry the grief they’ve held for generations largely without official recognition or support — even though the scale of abuse and death is likely much worse.

The US had a far more extensive boarding school system than Canada, which has acknowledged the family separations, abuse, and killings as cultural genocide in a report by its Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Meanwhile, in the US, the history of stolen children has been hidden, and a government investigation into the unknown number of deaths was only recently announced. From the 1800s to the 1970s, the US forced tens of thousands of children into hundreds of government-sponsored schools, many of whom never came home, their families never being told what had happened. Nearly every Native American has a parent, grandparent, or other relative who survived the abusive system, and the recent headlines have triggered horrific memories and resurfaced traumatic family histories.”
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Reply #39 posted 07/20/21 6:56pm

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Another link about Native Americans who were forced to attend boarding schools in America. I can’t believe this continued through the 1970s.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...hools.html
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Reply #40 posted 07/20/21 7:50pm

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2elijah said:

Interesting….I knew sooner or later the U.S.’s hands in those boarding schools would be questioned, after what has been exposed in Canada.


jaawwnn...my strange twist into turning this into a fight against communism making sense yet? lol

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Reply #41 posted 07/20/21 11:40pm

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Strive said:

2elijah said:

Interesting….I knew sooner or later the U.S.’s hands in those boarding schools would be questioned, after what has been exposed in Canada.


jaawwnn...my strange twist into turning this into a fight against communism making sense yet? lol

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No, that is just an excuse to hide responsibility, an excuse so as to not have to admit to acts of evil on your side.

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Reply #42 posted 07/20/21 11:46pm

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2elijah said:

Another link about Native Americans who were forced to attend boarding schools in America. I c as not believe this continued through the 1970s. https://www.nytimes.com/2...hools.html [Edited 7/20/21 19:18pm]

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Physical, sexual and/or mental abuse in boarding schools and orphanages is not going to be uncommon in so many countries.

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Reply #43 posted 07/21/21 7:53am

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Strive said:



2elijah said:


Interesting….I knew sooner or later the U.S.’s hands in those boarding schools would be questioned, after what has been exposed in Canada.



jaawwnn...my strange twist into turning this into a fight against communism making sense yet? lol


I believe you meant to send this to Jaawnn.
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Reply #44 posted 07/21/21 7:53am

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IanRG said:



2elijah said:


Another link about Native Americans who were forced to attend boarding schools in America. I c as not believe this continued through the 1970s. https://www.nytimes.com/2...hools.html [Edited 7/20/21 19:18pm]

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Physical, sexual and/or mental abuse in boarding schools and orphanages is not going to be uncommon in so many countries.


It’s unfortunate though.
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Reply #45 posted 07/21/21 7:57am

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—double post error.
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Reply #46 posted 07/21/21 8:25am

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Strive said:



2elijah said:


Interesting….I knew sooner or later the U.S.’s hands in those boarding schools would be questioned, after what has been exposed in Canada.



jaawwnn...my strange twist into turning this into a fight against communism making sense yet? lol




I think you meant to send that response to ‘Jawann.’

On the other hand, no one is saying violence is the answer as a way to respond to the discovery of the graves of First Nations’ chiLdren, found in or near the boarding schools.

However, the First Nations have a right to express how they feel about the graves of the children found near those schools, and survivors today who are exposing the abuse they experienced.

Not to mention, how many were prevented from embracing their cultures, even denied speaking their native tongue, when they attended those schools. They have a right to expose those experiences and tell their stories. They can speak for those who didn’t survive in their young age. What happened has nothing to do with whether the harsh and ugly details of those experiences, makes your conscience uncomfortable or angry that they’re exposing truths you don’t want to accept, but rather it’s about their communities/including survivors having the right to express their emotions about the graves of the children discovered, and survivors sharing/telling the truths about what happened in many of those boarding schools, that affected their lives and cultures. At least give them that respect.
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Reply #47 posted 07/21/21 9:52am

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2elijah said:

Strive said:

jaawwnn...my strange twist into turning this into a fight against communism making sense yet? lol

I think you meant to send that response to ‘Jawann.’ On the other hand, no one is saying violence is the answer as a way to respond to the discovery of the graves of First Nations’ chiLdren, found in or near the boarding schools. However, the First Nations have a right to express how they feel about the graves of the children found near those schools, and survivors today who are exposing the abuse they experienced. Not to mention, how many were prevented from embracing their cultures, even denied speaking their native tongue, when they attended those schools. They have a right to expose those experiences and tell their stories. They can speak for those who didn’t survive in their young age. What happened has nothing to do with whether the harsh and ugly details of those experiences, makes your conscience uncomfortable or angry that they’re exposing truths you don’t want to accept, but rather it’s about their communities/including survivors having the right to express their emotions about the graves of the children discovered, and survivors sharing/telling the truths about what happened in many of those boarding schools, that affected their lives and cultures. At least give them that respect. [Edited 7/21/21 8:31am]

I was quoting you because you were proving my point to jaawwnn. It's nothing about the victims, despite what you say. They're a tool. It's all about spreading anti-western/anti-christianity sentiment so a collective of individuals can seize power for themselves.

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Try to pull my heartstrings as much as you want. It doesn't hide what you're doing.

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And given half a chance, they (you) will put their (your) boot on our (my) neck the same way they thought it was done to them a hundred+ years ago. Because it's not about justice or doing what's right. This is a power struggle.

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They're going to continue burning down churches and trying to silence those that speak up against their current actions because, in their mind, those churches are symbols of colonization/white supremacy and the people inside them are subhumans that need re-education. Past sins make current sins just in their mind.

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Ironic, sure, but that's humanity.

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Reply #48 posted 07/21/21 10:35am

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Strive said:



2elijah said:


Strive said:

jaawwnn...my strange twist into turning this into a fight against communism making sense yet? lol



I think you meant to send that response to ‘Jawann.’ On the other hand, no one is saying violence is the answer as a way to respond to the discovery of the graves of First Nations’ chiLdren, found in or near the boarding schools. However, the First Nations have a right to express how they feel about the graves of the children found near those schools, and survivors today who are exposing the abuse they experienced. Not to mention, how many were prevented from embracing their cultures, even denied speaking their native tongue, when they attended those schools. They have a right to expose those experiences and tell their stories. They can speak for those who didn’t survive in their young age. What happened has nothing to do with whether the harsh and ugly details of those experiences, makes your conscience uncomfortable or angry that they’re exposing truths you don’t want to accept, but rather it’s about their communities/including survivors having the right to express their emotions about the graves of the children discovered, and survivors sharing/telling the truths about what happened in many of those boarding schools, that affected their lives and cultures. At least give them that respect. [Edited 7/21/21 8:31am]


I was quoting you because you were proving my point to jaawwnn. It's nothing about the victims, despite what you say. They're a tool. It's all about spreading anti-western/anti-christianity sentiment so a collective of individuals can seize power for themselves.


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Try to pull my heartstrings as much as you want. It doesn't hide what you're doing.


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And given half a chance, they (you) will put their (your) boot on our (my) neck the same way they thought it was done to them a hundred+ years ago. Because it's not about justice or doing what's right. This is a power struggle.


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They're going to continue burning down churches and trying to silence those that speak up against their current actions because, in their mind, those churches are symbols of colonization/white supremacy and the people inside them are subhumans that need re-education. Past sins make current sins just in their mind.


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Ironic, sure, but that's humanity.




Cry me a river. Dude, you’re just uncomfortable that the history of what happened to them is too much truth for your conscience to handle. It’s not a lie that colonization affected their people. It’s not a lie that white supremacy bs was forced fed to them, and used to force them to denounce their own cultures/language. It’s not a lie that many were torn from their families, and forced to attend those boarding schools. Again, no one is saying violence is the answer, but it is ironic that violence, was exactly what was used against them. That’s is the ugly truth.

I can’t speak for them, but I can at least listen and respect their right to express what happened to their ancestors and those who survived the boarding school experience.

I have no desire to pull your heart strings to comprehend how First Nations feel about that historic tragedy, by expressing my opinion about the subject. That’s on you. This thread is free to all opinions, whether you disagree or not. What transpires from this situation will be up to how the First Nation people in Canada and that government, as well as, the Native Americans/Indigenous Americans and the U.S. government handles both situations.

Have a good day.
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Reply #49 posted 07/21/21 10:51am

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2elijah said:

Strive said:



2elijah said:


Strive said:

jaawwnn...my strange twist into turning this into a fight against communism making sense yet? lol



I think you meant to send that response to ‘Jawann.’ On the other hand, no one is saying violence is the answer as a way to respond to the discovery of the graves of First Nations’ chiLdren, found in or near the boarding schools. However, the First Nations have a right to express how they feel about the graves of the children found near those schools, and survivors today who are exposing the abuse they experienced. Not to mention, how many were prevented from embracing their cultures, even denied speaking their native tongue, when they attended those schools. They have a right to expose those experiences and tell their stories. They can speak for those who didn’t survive in their young age. What happened has nothing to do with whether the harsh and ugly details of those experiences, makes your conscience uncomfortable or angry that they’re exposing truths you don’t want to accept, but rather it’s about their communities/including survivors having the right to express their emotions about the graves of the children discovered, and survivors sharing/telling the truths about what happened in many of those boarding schools, that affected their lives and cultures. At least give them that respect. [Edited 7/21/21 8:31am]


I was quoting you because you were proving my point to jaawwnn. It's nothing about the victims, despite what you say. They're a tool. It's all about spreading anti-western/anti-christianity sentiment so a collective of individuals can seize power for themselves.


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Try to pull my heartstrings as much as you want. It doesn't hide what you're doing.


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And given half a chance, they (you) will put their (your) boot on our (my) neck the same way they thought it was done to them a hundred+ years ago. Because it's not about justice or doing what's right. This is a power struggle.


.


They're going to continue burning down churches and trying to silence those that speak up against their current actions because, in their mind, those churches are symbols of colonization/white supremacy and the people inside them are subhumans that need re-education. Past sins make current sins just in their mind.


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Ironic, sure, but that's humanity.




Cry me a river. Dude, you’re just uncomfortable that the history of what happened to them is too much truth for your conscience to handle. It’s not a lie that colonization affected their people. It’s not a lie that white supremacy bs was forced fed to them, and used to force them to denounce their own cultures/language. It’s not a lie that many were torn from their families, and forced to attend those boarding schools. Again, no one is saying violence is the answer, but it is ironic that violence, was exactly what was used against them. That’s is the ugly truth.

I can’t speak for them, but I can at least listen and respect their right to express what happened to their ancestors and those who survived the boarding school experience.

I have no desire to pull your heart strings to comprehend how First Nations feel about that historic tragedy, by expressing my opinion about the subject. That’s on you. This thread is free to all opinions, whether you disagree or not. What transpires from this situation will be up to how the First Nation people in Canada and that government, as well as, the Native Americans/Indigenous Americans and the U.S. government handles both situations.

Have a good day.
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Does he even have a heart with strings to pull ?
All I ever see from that account is vitriol, half truths, anti Semitism, and attempts to paint those seeking accountability and justice for past (and present) wrongs as “anti White racists” rabid for revenge on pale hides
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Reply #50 posted 07/21/21 11:34am

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Does he even have a heart with strings to pull ? All I ever see from that account is vitriol, half truths, anti Semitism, and attempts to paint those seeking accountability and justice for past (and present) wrongs as “anti White racists” rabid for revenge on pale hides

What's your definition of "accountability and justice for past wrongs" and what will be enough for you? I'm sure you'll say it doesn't matter what your personal opinion is but I want to know if you can articulate what the ideal endgame is in your mind.

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I am what I am because it's the way you must behave if you're going to survive in this new world. I said earlier, "they're causing people to harden their hearts in defense of their attacks" It's the truth.

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Dealing with people like you for years and years has radicalized me wayyyyyy more than anything else.

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Reply #51 posted 07/21/21 12:44pm

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2elijah said:



Cry me a river. Dude, you’re just uncomfortable that the history of what happened to them is too much truth for your conscience to handle. It’s not a lie that colonization affected their people. It’s not a lie that white supremacy bs was forced fed to them, and used to force them to denounce their own cultures/language. It’s not a lie that many were torn from their families, and forced to attend those boarding schools. Again, no one is saying violence is the answer, but it is ironic that violence, was exactly what was used against them. That’s is the ugly truth.

I can’t speak for them, but I can at least listen and respect their right to express what happened to their ancestors and those who survived the boarding school experience.

I have no desire to pull your heart strings to comprehend how First Nations feel about that historic tragedy, by expressing my opinion about the subject. That’s on you. This thread is free to all opinions, whether you disagree or not. What transpires from this situation will be up to how the First Nation people in Canada and that government, as well as, the Native Americans/Indigenous Americans and the U.S. government handles both situations.

Have a good day.
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Does he even have a heart with strings to pull ?
All I ever see from that account is vitriol, half truths, anti Semitism, and attempts to paint those seeking accountability and justice for past (and present) wrongs as “anti White racists” rabid for revenge on pale hides



Exactly. It seems the way that account comes across, is that he’d rather all the wrongs this or another country did, stay under the rug. Then he assumes those who expose those wrongs, is just an act to ‘take power’.

I find that ironic, because ‘take power’ is exactly what many, early European immigrants did to the original inhabitants of this country, and similar act in Canada.

I’m seeing now, especially in this country, how many on the right, are working overtime to avoid these kinds of historical truths being taught in the classrooms, but they don’t have the power to keep those truths out of citizens’ homes, no matter how some try to hide any wrongs committed by this country, past or present.

Regarding Canada, First Nations’ people have a right to express their views, and speak/expose real life atrocities about what happened to members of their communities, in respect to the value of those lives lost, whether some like it or not.
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Reply #52 posted 07/21/21 1:09pm

IanRG

2elijah said:

IanRG said:

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Physical, sexual and/or mental abuse in boarding schools and orphanages is not going to be uncommon in so many countries.

It’s unfortunate though. [Edited 7/21/21 7:54am]

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To say the least.

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So it is important to recognise this and prevent it happening again by being open and honest about it. Not allow people to hide behind but what about communism or by teaching the ills of the past, you are teaching CRT etc.

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Strive said:



jjhunsecker said:


Does he even have a heart with strings to pull ? All I ever see from that account is vitriol, half truths, anti Semitism, and attempts to paint those seeking accountability and justice for past (and present) wrongs as “anti White racists” rabid for revenge on pale hides


What's your definition of "accountability and justice for past wrongs" and what will be enough for you? I'm sure you'll say it doesn't matter what your personal opinion is but I want to know if you can articulate what the ideal endgame is in your mind.


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I am what I am because it's the way you must behave if you're going to survive in this new world. I said earlier, "they're causing people to harden their hearts in defense of their attacks" It's the truth.


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Dealing with people like you for years and years has radicalized me wayyyyy more than anything else.




Yep, I guess dealing with niggers and spics and kikes and faggots and ragheads and cunts have “hardened your heart “ in this “new world “.., Where those people no longer know their place...

Just be honest and stop dancing around the bush and say how you really feel
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Reply #54 posted 07/21/21 2:28pm

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:



Does he even have a heart with strings to pull ?
All I ever see from that account is vitriol, half truths, anti Semitism, and attempts to paint those seeking accountability and justice for past (and present) wrongs as “anti White racists” rabid for revenge on pale hides



Exactly. It seems the way that account comes across, is that he’d rather all the wrongs this or another country did, stay under the rug. Then he assumes those who expose those wrongs, is just an act to ‘take power’.

I find that ironic, because ‘take power’ is exactly what many, early European immigrants did to the original inhabitants of this country, and similar act in Canada.

I’m seeing now, especially in this country, how many on the right, are working overtime to avoid these kinds of historical truths being taught in the classrooms, but they don’t have the power to keep those truths out of citizens’ homes, no matter how some try to hide any wrongs committed by this country, past or present.

Regarding Canada, First Nations’ people have a right to express their views, and speak/expose real life atrocities about what happened to members of their communities, in respect to the value of those lives lost, whether some like it or not.
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And that account has had numerous names and personas, but always the same message (and writing style).

But you clearly can see the mentality we’re dealing with here
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Reply #55 posted 07/21/21 2:47pm

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jjhunsecker said:

And that account has had numerous names and personas, but always the same message (and writing style). But you clearly can see the mentality we’re dealing with here

Provide proof of your accusation. There's no other account that makes posts like I make. And what's the point of me having multiple accounts? No one agrees with me here. When I feel like it's pointless to have a conversation with somebody, like Ian - a person who won't respond to orgnotes because he's only interested in a public spectacle, I just stop responding to them.

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Reply #56 posted 07/21/21 5:45pm

PennyPurple

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Strive said:

jjhunsecker said:

And that account has had numerous names and personas, but always the same message (and writing style). But you clearly can see the mentality we’re dealing with here

Provide proof of your accusation. There's no other account that makes posts like I make. And what's the point of me having multiple accounts? No one agrees with me here. When I feel like it's pointless to have a conversation with somebody, like Ian - a person who won't respond to orgnotes because he's only interested in a public spectacle, I just stop responding to them.

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Oh sheesh, don't tell me you are harassing Ian in orgnotes now... pc

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Reply #57 posted 07/21/21 6:38pm

2elijah

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IanRG said:



2elijah said:


IanRG said:


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Physical, sexual and/or mental abuse in boarding schools and orphanages is not going to be uncommon in so many countries.



It’s unfortunate though. [Edited 7/21/21 7:54am]

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To say the least.


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So it is important to recognise this and prevent it happening again by being open and honest about it. Not allow people to hide behind but what about communism or by teaching the ills of the past, you are teaching CRT etc.


nod Absolutely agree.
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Reply #58 posted 07/21/21 7:17pm

IanRG

Strive said:

jjhunsecker said:

And that account has had numerous names and personas, but always the same message (and writing style). But you clearly can see the mentality we’re dealing with here

Provide proof of your accusation. There's no other account that makes posts like I make. And what's the point of me having multiple accounts? No one agrees with me here. When I feel like it's pointless to have a conversation with somebody, like Ian - a person who won't respond to orgnotes because he's only interested in a public spectacle, I just stop responding to them.

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I am very happy for you to not respond to me because you made a public spectacle in the form of an offensive personal attack by saying about me: "You are evil. You work for Satan. It's pointless to talk to you. I pray you repent but I doubt you will."

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This was publicly said about me by you just because I disagreed with your attempts to hide behind excuses rather than seek to admit the Church clearly did wrong in its treatment of these people in these schools and the best way to handle is to admit this, correct for this where it can, and above all, seek to ensure it never happens again.

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You made a public spectacle by making a clearly false personal attack and nothing in your orgnote addressed that or admitted to it. There was nothing worth responding to in your orgnote and there is no requirement that I need to respond to orgnotes after such an attack.

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Reply #59 posted 07/21/21 9:07pm

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PennyPurple said:

Oh sheesh, don't tell me you are harassing Ian in orgnotes now... pc

I sent him a book recommendation. A Church in Crisis: Pathways Forward By Ralph Martin. Is book recommendations harassment now? lol

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