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Reply #60 posted 07/19/21 12:29pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman had nothing to do with Police

that was a resident/civilian, being hyper vigilant in neighborhood watch

IanRG said:

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That is systemic racism in policing AND the criminal justice system including different treatment by the police and courts in how they use inequitable processes depending on race.

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I don't know how you missed this.

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It is an important reason as to why various movements across the world coalesced to focus on systemic racism in policing and criminal justice in their area or country using the three letter acronym of BLM. Many of these groups existed beforehand, and many were inspired by systemic racism in handling the deaths of people like Trayvon Martin and George Floyd. Most are independent of the founders of BLM.com. Therefore, the killing of Trayvon Martin and how this was treated by the police and courts was a good inspiration for this focus.

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Indigenous Australians are very grateful that BLM has given new focus to the inaction following the Black Deaths in Custody Royal Commission Report in 1991. Similar groups in and outside of the USA are equally grateful to the chagrin of people who don't like the systemic racism focus. So we see an never ending stream of youtubes and articles to discredit BLM knowing they can only do this by distractions to other things.

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Systemic racism is not restricted to just being done by the police. BLM is not restricted to just systemic racism by the police. It includes the justice system.

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I don't know how you can keep on missing this. I even highlighted it for you.

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The systemic racism apparent in the treatment of Trayvon Martin's death and his killer by the police and the criminal justice system not was a just a good inspiration for the focus on systemic racism in policing and the criminal justice system, it is an undeniable historical fact that it was a key inspiration for this focus.

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Reply #61 posted 07/19/21 12:29pm

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And I can only imagine what pleasure they get from watching this stuff...

I think anti-blmers will always have something negative to say about BLM. It’s basically the same attitude/generationalizations many had about civil rights activists, even about MLK, jr. They got it from all sides.


Exactly....There will NEVER be ANY movement that is dedicated to the interests of Black people that some won't find fault with. There is no organization or individual above legitimate criticism, but you also have to be aware of the agendas, and more importantly, the biases, of some of the critics as well


@ bolded part. This is true.
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Reply #62 posted 07/19/21 12:53pm

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I am making this thread with all due respect.Not here to offend I was wondering if anyone here can help me understand the black lives matter movement.I understand that black lives do matter,but I have always thought that ALL lives matter. Shouldn't that be the message and what we should be saying?? Because even though bad things are happening to black people,bad things are still happening to all other races as well [Edited 6/16/21 1:16am]


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#BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin's murderer. ....

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In 2013, three radical Black organizers — Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi — created a Black-centered political will and movement building project called #BlackLivesMatter. It was in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin's murderer, George Zimmerman.
Herstory - Black Lives Matter
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As #BlackLivesMatter developed throughout 2013 and 2014, we utilized it as a platform and organizing tool. Other groups, organizations, and individuals used it to amplify anti-Black racism across the country, in all the ways it showed up.

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It started out as a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission was to build local power and to intervene when violence was inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.

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Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

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Enraged by the death of Trayvon Martin and the subsequent acquittal of his killer, George Zimmerman, and inspired by the 31-day takeover of the Florida State Capitol by POWER U and the Dream Defenders, we took to the streets. A year later, we set out together on the Black Lives Matter Freedom Ride to Ferguson, in search of justice for Mike Brown and all of those who have been torn apart by state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism.

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It was never just about police and it started because of systemic racism in the policing and the criminal justice system.

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As your post shows, it was never about elevating Black Lives over everyone else's lives. It was always about elevating Black lives so that they were treated as mattering only as much as everyone else's life. This was inspired by the favourable treatment of Trayvon Martin's killer by the police and the criminal justice system. It continues to be inspired by the ongoing systemic racism in the treatment of people by certain government organisations around the world, especially within policing and criminal justice systems.

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Reply #63 posted 07/19/21 2:30pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman had nothing to do with Police

that was a resident/civilian, being hyper vigilant in neighborhood watch

IanRG said:

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That is systemic racism in policing AND the criminal justice system including different treatment by the police and courts in how they use inequitable processes depending on race.

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I don't know how you missed this.

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It is an important reason as to why various movements across the world coalesced to focus on systemic racism in policing and criminal justice in their area or country using the three letter acronym of BLM. Many of these groups existed beforehand, and many were inspired by systemic racism in handling the deaths of people like Trayvon Martin and George Floyd. Most are independent of the founders of BLM.com. Therefore, the killing of Trayvon Martin and how this was treated by the police and courts was a good inspiration for this focus.

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Indigenous Australians are very grateful that BLM has given new focus to the inaction following the Black Deaths in Custody Royal Commission Report in 1991. Similar groups in and outside of the USA are equally grateful to the chagrin of people who don't like the systemic racism focus. So we see an never ending stream of youtubes and articles to discredit BLM knowing they can only do this by distractions to other things.

But it had EVERYTHING to do with inequities in the Justice System

Do you REALLY believe the outcome of that trial would have been the same if the races of those involved were reversed ? Be honest....


And here's a little history for ya : Go Google the case of John Rice in Long Island, NY, a case a few years before Trayvon Martin. No case will ever be an exact replica of another, but perhaps this will inform of you of what possible outcomes could occur in very similar instances....

[Edited 7/19/21 14:37pm]

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Reply #64 posted 07/19/21 2:32pm

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A black reductionist called Adolph Reed Steppin Fetchit. Sick.

What the fuck is a "Black Reductionist" ?

Who makes up these absurd phrases ?

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Reply #65 posted 07/19/21 2:35pm

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IanRG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

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#BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin's murderer. ....

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Herstory

In 2013, three radical Black organizers — Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi — created a Black-centered political will and movement building project called #BlackLivesMatter. It was in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin's murderer, George Zimmerman.
Herstory - Black Lives Matter
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As #BlackLivesMatter developed throughout 2013 and 2014, we utilized it as a platform and organizing tool. Other groups, organizations, and individuals used it to amplify anti-Black racism across the country, in all the ways it showed up.

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It started out as a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission was to build local power and to intervene when violence was inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.

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Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

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...

Enraged by the death of Trayvon Martin and the subsequent acquittal of his killer, George Zimmerman, and inspired by the 31-day takeover of the Florida State Capitol by POWER U and the Dream Defenders, we took to the streets. A year later, we set out together on the Black Lives Matter Freedom Ride to Ferguson, in search of justice for Mike Brown and all of those who have been torn apart by state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism.

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It was never just about police and it started because of systemic racism in the policing and the criminal justice system.

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As your post shows, it was never about elevating Black Lives over everyone else's lives. It was always about elevating Black lives so that they were treated as mattering only as much as everyone else's life. This was inspired by the favourable treatment of Trayvon Martin's killer by the police and the criminal justice system. It continues to be inspired by the ongoing systemic racism in the treatment of people by certain government organisations around the world, especially within policing and criminal justice systems.

I don't understand how some DON'T GET this...

But I guess there's a lot I don't understand...especially living outside of the bubble

[Edited 7/19/21 14:36pm]

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Reply #66 posted 07/20/21 5:05am

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IanRG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman had nothing to do with Police

that was a resident/civilian, being hyper vigilant in neighborhood watch

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Systemic racism is not restricted to just being done by the police. BLM is not restricted to just systemic racism by the police. It includes the justice system.

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I don't know how you can keep on missing this. I even highlighted it for you.

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The systemic racism apparent in the treatment of Trayvon Martin's death and his killer by the police and the criminal justice system not was a just a good inspiration for the focus on systemic racism in policing and the criminal justice system, it is an undeniable historical fact that it was a key inspiration for this focus.

the Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman was no different from any other altercation between civilians

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the man was mestizo(half indigenous Peruvian-Hispanic identified, so everytime a latino or mexican or native American and a black person have an altercation that leads to death there should be a protest... (black & brown people)

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Had nothing to do with Police, which every issue blm has had was directed @ police
it was a case of quién es más macho

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A year before this, in one of the local suburbs a retired African-American cop shot and killed a 16yr old Italian kid who was suspected of breaking into cars.

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Reply #67 posted 07/20/21 8:37am

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OldFriends4Sale said:



IanRG said:




OldFriends4Sale said:


Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman had nothing to do with Police


that was a resident/civilian, being hyper vigilant in neighborhood watch







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Systemic racism is not restricted to just being done by the police. BLM is not restricted to just systemic racism by the police. It includes the justice system.


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I don't know how you can keep on missing this. I even highlighted it for you.


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The systemic racism apparent in the treatment of Trayvon Martin's death and his killer by the police and the criminal justice system not was a just a good inspiration for the focus on systemic racism in policing and the criminal justice system, it is an undeniable historical fact that it was a key inspiration for this focus.




the Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman was no different from any other altercation between civilians


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the man was mestizo(half indigenous Peruvian-Hispanic identified, so everytime a latino or mexican or native American and a black person have an altercation that leads to death there should be a protest... (black & brown people)


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Had nothing to do with Police, which every issue blm has had was directed @ police
it was a case of quién es más macho


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A year before this, in one of the local suburbs a retired African-American cop shot and killed a 16yr old Italian kid who was suspected of breaking into cars.



To be accurate, Zimmerman was half White with a German name

Again, I ask : Do you believe that the outcome of that trial would have been the same if the races were reversed? I noticed that you dodged the question before, and feel free to do so again
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Reply #68 posted 07/20/21 9:13am

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Reply #69 posted 07/20/21 10:04am

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Slogans such as Black Lives Matter or Defund the Police pack so much into them that make it easy for different dsides to interpret in a way that suits their agenda.
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Reply #70 posted 07/20/21 12:46pm

IanRG

OldFriends4Sale said:

IanRG said:

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Systemic racism is not restricted to just being done by the police. BLM is not restricted to just systemic racism by the police. It includes the justice system.

.

I don't know how you can keep on missing this. I even highlighted it for you.

.

The systemic racism apparent in the treatment of Trayvon Martin's death and his killer by the police and the criminal justice system not was a just a good inspiration for the focus on systemic racism in policing and the criminal justice system, it is an undeniable historical fact that it was a key inspiration for this focus.

the Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman was no different from any other altercation between civilians

.

the man was mestizo(half indigenous Peruvian-Hispanic identified, so everytime a latino or mexican or native American and a black person have an altercation that leads to death there should be a protest... (black & brown people)

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Had nothing to do with Police, which every issue blm has had was directed @ police
it was a case of quién es más macho

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A year before this, in one of the local suburbs a retired African-American cop shot and killed a 16yr old Italian kid who was suspected of breaking into cars.

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And yet this case inspired a process that has lead to a world-wide focus on systemic racism especially within the criminal justice systems (including but not limited to police). It always has included treatment by the courts and broader societal issues.

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Tryvon Martin's killer is not the criminal justice system. He is not representative of the systemic racism in the police and criminal justice system.

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You posted the following:

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#BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin's murderer. ....

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Herstory

In 2013, three radical Black organizers — Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi — created a Black-centered political will and movement building project called #BlackLivesMatter. It was in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin's murderer, George Zimmerman.
Herstory - Black Lives Matter
...

As #BlackLivesMatter developed throughout 2013 and 2014, we utilized it as a platform and organizing tool. Other groups, organizations, and individuals used it to amplify anti-Black racism across the country, in all the ways it showed up.

.

...

It started out as a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission was to build local power and to intervene when violence was inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.

.

...

Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

.

...

Enraged by the death of Trayvon Martin and the subsequent acquittal of his killer, George Zimmerman, and inspired by the 31-day takeover of the Florida State Capitol by POWER U and the Dream Defenders, we took to the streets. A year later, we set out together on the Black Lives Matter Freedom Ride to Ferguson, in search of justice for Mike Brown and all of those who have been torn apart by state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism.

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Trayvon Martin's killer did not aquit himself, he was not acquitted by the police - the acquittal was through the criminal justice system. In this it showed that racism in the system meant that Trayvon's life was not treated as mattering as much other lives. In this the inspriration of BLM was never limited to being just about the police.

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Trayvon Martin's killer was an vigilante whose violence was excused by the criminal justice system. This became state-sanctioned violence on the back of anti-Black racism - State-sanctioned by the courts and elected governernment representatives who were supported by various media corporations. The police played little part in this.

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It is not true that BLM is only interested in systemic racism by the police. You know this because you keep on posting about things that people in, or related to BLM.com show interest in that is not about police. Systemic racism is not limited to being within the police, the actions against systemic racism by BLM are not limited to just seeking it be removed from policing.

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a few instagram comments from Black Americans

May be an image of one or more people and text that says 'Instagram therealboycewatkins A message from the mother of Tamir Rice- Michael Brown's father is fed up too Samaria Rice 1d I'm tired of you black lives matters (Tamika Mallory and Sonney )bitches that's riding theses family back and yall ambulance chasing Attorneys Ben Crump) (Lee Merrick) too yall have fuck up our fight and yall can kiss my ass too.... Make it make sense.... You can't working with devil is easy too do. Fuck yall 2,340 likes therealboycewatkins #tamirrice #Mic haelBrown #Bla ivesMatter whatdoy'allthink abou what do y'all'

May be an image of text that says 'therealboycewatkins #tamirrice own #Blackl LivesMatter what do y'all think about this? @leemerrittesq @attorneycrump @shaunking pwe045 Been knew was taking advantage of black folks 141likes walton I've been wondering for years why Ben Crump the only attorney who gets get hired these cases. Aren't there other attorneys who can handle these cases? likes mrbrooks722 About time Black People are waking up 212 likes'

May be an image of 1 person and text that says 'underestimat_ed They've made millions off of the deaths of these individuals and never put that money back into the community. But they did fund another community. Look at the habitsof the movements leadership. 138 likes abounasamuel25 BL M was always primarily about the GBT movement. They used these families and their trauma to push an agenda far from their cause. 80likes freedomfightrr2 knew Tamika Mallory was suspect when she revealed her affiliation Sharpton likes'

May be an image of text that says 'freedomfightrr2 knew Tamika Mallory was suspect when she revealed her affiliation AI Shar pton 53likes dr.concious dr.concious@freedomfightrr2 @freedomfightrr2 She a democratic puppet. She getting paid by these white liberal elites dr.concious @fatboyfreshl she an ac tivist on payroll! Ofcourse she put "work' devils.advocate.forever @freedomfightrr2 NAN's2018 IRS IRFm 990 listed Shar pton's compensation at about $1.05 million. Not shabby. like'

May be an image of 2 people and text that says 'prayrunpreach was never about Black Lives Mat confess that road the band wagon for aminute but once read up on the leaders and looked into other info that ed regarding their agendal quickly jumped off. young_o.gzus 3likes too_humbled_to_stress_ 'sab time the is going off for our people likes iamdualvictory nic.echic Our people! No unified front. This is why we don't win as a group likes'

May be an image of 1 person and text that says 'Comments lucrative_mind This is how look at it. Idon't donate money unless seeit being used for it's purpose. Don't give money to someone to give to someone else then be surprised that they never gotit especially when both parties have social media and cashapp. likes amberbentlee Damn Tamika Mallory too??? τοσυα 4likes soulfull_dharma Absolutely right. Unapologetically direct and str8 to the point. Al that marching for dollars and we still at the same yard line in the war against Black. 6likes'

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Parents of Murdered Children Deserve Answers from BLM Leaders | Opinion

My daughter, Krystal Joy, was killed in 2004, caught in the crossfire of two gunmen while she was sitting in her car after pulling up to a gas pump. She was only 19. I've spent the past 17 years helping Black mothers deal with the grief of losing a child to senseless violence.

This is why I am outraged that leaders of the Black Lives Matter movement—who have built personal platforms on the deaths of victims like 12-year-old Tamir Rice and 16-year-old Ma'Khia Bryant—are stepping away from activism to enjoy their financial gains instead of helping support the families whose grief catapulted their movement into the national spotlight.

Patrisse Cullors, co-founder of BLM, is leaving the organization to pursue a multi-year TV development deal with Warner Bros. She owns at least four homes totaling more than $3 million. Meanwhile, Lisa Simpson, the mother of 18-year-old victim Richard Risher, said in March she is facing homelessness and says she has never received any financial assistance from the BLM organization; instead, she says BLM leaders called her "a liar and crazy." Breonna Taylor's mother has called BLM a "fraud" for claiming to raise money on behalf of her daughter but never giving back to the families they purported to help.

...Parents of Murdered Child...sweek.com)

The movement to hold BLM accountable is growing. A new initiative involving the original 10 BLM chapters—the BLM 10 Plus movement—is now seeking transparency and accountability from the organization about how and where donated funds have been used. The father of Michael Brown Jr, the black teen shot by police in Ferguson in 2014, has joined the movement.

In January, I helped launch a new initiative called Voices of Black Mothers United to honor the lives of our murdered children by creating communities that are safe for everyone. We are bringing together mothers of fallen children and community partners to heal and strengthen communities by supporting intervention and sensible police reform.

We join a growing chorus of parents and community activists demanding accountability and transparency from BLM.

BLM and its affiliates should be very clear about their priorities so that people understand what they are supporting when they send a check. If BLM doesn't intend to operate as a charity, it should be up front about that. But more than anything, its leaders need to be willing to answer for the rise in neighborhood violence that occurred in the wake of their call to defund the police. Crime is skyrocketing and police officers are quitting in droves.

...Parents of Murdered Child...sweek.com)

The deaths of Black Americans shouldn't be buying luxury homes for BLM leaders. The movement's first priority should be to support the families of victims and to foster community-based approaches to ending violence and discrimination against innocent Black victims. I'm sick of Black Lives Matter leaders profiting off our murdered children. It needs to stop.
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Sylvia Bennett-Stone is the Director of Voices of Black Mothers United, a project of The Woodson Center in Washington, DC. She lives in Birmingham, Alabama.

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