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Help me understand the Black Lives Matter movement

I am making this thread with all due respect.Not here to offend
I was wondering if anyone here can help me understand the black lives matter movement.I understand that black lives do matter,but I have always thought that ALL lives matter.
Shouldn't that be the message and what we should be saying??
Because even though bad things are happening to black people,bad things are still happening to all other races as well
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Reply #1 posted 06/16/21 6:12am

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there is a lot of info here

BLM founder bought a $1.4 million house in a rich, white area of LA.

https://prince.org/msg/105/466455


Patrisse Cullors & The $90M BLM Scandal

https://youtu.be/vMgr1QYSg4o
We're diving into the recent BLM scandal where people are asking what happened
to the $90M BLM Global Network Foundation received during the George Floyd protests.

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BLM issues and more...

https://prince.org/msg/105/463621

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Black Lives Matter give list of demands

https://prince.org/msg/105/418306

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Reply #2 posted 06/16/21 8:37am

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Phase3 said:

I am making this thread with all due respect.Not here to offend
I was wondering if anyone here can help me understand the black lives matter movement.I understand that black lives do matter,but I have always thought that ALL lives matter.
Shouldn't that be the message and what we should be saying??
Because even though bad things are happening to black people,bad things are still happening to all other races as well
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Reply #3 posted 06/16/21 9:39am

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I found this information about its mission statement. However there are various, individual, BLM groups nationally and internationally. So it’s up to the individual to choose whether to research the info with an open mind.

I think a lot of the critics fail to comprehend BLM isn’t saying other lives doesn’t matter. I believe the focus is moreso/specifically on the concerns of racial ills that have affected/affects many in the Black community as a whole, with shared/similar/or individual experiences such as, racial profiling, unnecessary harassment by police/and unfortunately some ending in deaths of many unarmed Black citizens. Not to mention the systemic racism that continues within various aspects of American society/and within its institutions.

It’s not surprising that just the term ‘Black’ within the ‘BLM’ phrase seems to trigger some folks, because those folks probably already held some biases within anyway against the Black community or they wouldn’t be so triggered over the slogan, and then immediately believe it means other lives don’t matter.

There is a lot of hateful attacks/racist criticism on many social media sites about BLM that I’ve seen(which many of those BLM local groups include non-Black members and supporters not just African-American members) which seem to come from those who already have racial bias against the Black community, especially with the kind of extreme hatred I’ve seen some people post about BLM. There are even some who get so triggered just seeing the slogan on a street or wall, and have attempted to/or deliberately damage it.

https://www.google.com/am...r-blm/amp/

https://library.law.howar...istory/BLM
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Reply #4 posted 06/16/21 11:28am

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There are many BLMs. There is the official org, which is basically activism by press conference. You have grifters like Deray McKesson, who used to work for Teach For America, a neo-liberal eduction org. You have protests that were done by mostly young people. Some were there for police killings only, some for other issues. I didn't like some of the silly comments made by people, like respect black bodies? Which black bodies, all? Liberals tend not to mean poor blacks. No protests on gentrification. None on foreign policy. None on Africa or Haiti. There was a cookie cutter context to some of it, but I have a rule where I tend to support legit protests. I agree more with Ice-T that No Lives Matter.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #5 posted 06/16/21 11:44am

Phase3

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Phase3 said:

I am making this thread with all due respect.Not here to offend
I was wondering if anyone here can help me understand the black lives matter movement.I understand that black lives do matter,but I have always thought that ALL lives matter.
Shouldn't that be the message and what we should be saying??
Because even though bad things are happening to black people,bad things are still happening to all other races as well
[Edited 6/16/21 1:16am]


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Reply #6 posted 06/16/21 1:58pm

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As you can see, the first port of call is the political response to your question where people opposed to the movement focus on criticism and other focus on the need.

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I will focus on the question and the need for focusing on issues not generalities.

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The key premise behind the term is that all lives should matter:

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If you look at suicide prevention, the starting point is to reduce all suicides. To do this the prime focus will be on the prime areas eg Veteran suicide, suicides by people in their teens and early twenties, male farmers etc. This does not mean you are not concerned about other people who commit suicide.

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If you look at domestic violence and sexual assault the starting point is to reduce all instances of sexual assault and domestic violence. To do this prime focus will be in prime areas eg abuse of children and women by primarily men or on institutional abuse within religious, business, social, sporting and educational organisations. This does not mean you are not concerned about domestic violence and sexual assault against men or in different settings.

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If you look at injuries and deaths in transportation the starting point is making travel safe. The prime focus will be on road transport and primarily cars especially where the drivers are younger or under the influence of drugs or alcohol. This does not mean you are not concerned about safety on planes, trains and buses etc.

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I could go on about causes of death, different medical conditions, gender and sexuality etc. With BLM, the starting point is all lives matter. To achieve this, the focus is on the lives that apparently matter less. In Australia this means the group that has a life expectancy that is 20 years shorter than the rest of the population. The group with an incarceration rate of more than 10 times the rate of rest of the population where most of those imprisoned are imprisoned for crimes that that most in the wider population will only get a warning, fine or bond for if they do that same crime or for more serious crimes they will only get a shorter sentence. So the focus of the BLM movement here is on Indigenous Australians because of this disadvantage and its impact on health, economic wellbeing, justice etc. It does not mean that there is no focus on the health of the general population or general wellbeing or justice etc. It is that society should have equality and equity for all and it shows it by lifting up those most disadvantaged.

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^ You're predicating all these issues at the wrong starting point. The reason it has to be Black Lives Matter first is because institutionally and socio-economically blacks continue to be discriminated against today. Yes, it may have been worse before, much worse if we're looking at the mid 20th century. But sociologists know that what policies get enacted today have profound effects on later generations as well. It's not something that changes overnight. By way of example, if black kids are sent to poorly funded schools in the 1960s, their poorer education has long term effects on their careers, and consequently, their poorer socio-economic status leads to worsening crime rates and mental health. It then becomes a self-pepetuating cycle, as the problems are passed on to their children, so on and so forth, until such time as institutions are reformed and big government programmes are deployed to correct the inequities.


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fortuneandserendipity said:

^ You're predicating all these issues at the wrong starting point. The reason it has to be Black Lives Matter first is because institutionally and socio-economically blacks continue to be discriminated against today. Yes, it may have been worse before, much worse if we're looking at the mid 20th century. But sociologists know that what policies get enacted today have profound effects on later generations as well. It's not something that changes overnight. By way of example, if black kids are sent to poorly funded schools in the 1960s, their poorer education has long term effects on their careers, and consequently, their poorer socio-economic status leads to worsening crime rates and mental health. It then becomes a self-pepetuating cycle, as the problems are passed on to their children, so on and so forth, until such time as institutions are reformed and big government programmes are deployed to correct the inequities.


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I don't disagree with anything you have said except I cannot see how it is a reply to anything I have said.

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We are agreeing that the larger focus needs to be on the largest concerns. I used suicide, domestic violence, sexual assault, health (which includes mental health), economic wellbeing, justice outcomes, etc as examples of where we focus more on the areas of largest concern. You added areas. I did not discuss any solutions but I agree that your solutiuons absolutely need to be part of the total response to create equality and equity. All so no one can say one group's lives don't matter as much as everyone else's.

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To you all saying there are MANY blm movements, they are connected to the blm founded by Patrice Khan Cullors Opal and the other lady in 2013/14. You cannot seperate them. this is how they intended for it to go. This is why all the many blm local chapters have been reaching out to the founders and getting ghosted. This is why they started questioning Patrice Khan Cullors and her Canadian wife an their $90 million, this is why Patrice Khan Cullors put out a ceace and disist order to the MANY blm chapters telling them they never had a right to even use the slogan.

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Reply #10 posted 06/17/21 10:16am

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Its easy...

BLM = BURNING, LOOTING, MURDERERS

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IanRG said:

As you can see, the first port of call is the political response to your question where people opposed to the movement focus on criticism and other focus on the need.


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I will focus on the question and the need for focusing on issues not generalities.


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The key premise behind the term is that all lives should matter:


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If you look at suicide prevention, the starting point is to reduce all suicides. To do this the prime focus will be on the prime areas eg Veteran suicide, suicides by people in their teens and early twenties, male farmers etc. This does not mean you are not concerned about other people who commit suicide.


.


If you look at domestic violence and sexual assault the starting point is to reduce all instances of sexual assault and domestic violence. To do this prime focus will be in prime areas eg abuse of children and women by primarily men or on institutional abuse within religious, business, social, sporting and educational organisations. This does not mean you are not concerned about domestic violence and sexual assault against men or in different settings.


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If you look at injuries and deaths in transportation the starting point is making travel safe. The prime focus will be on road transport and primarily cars especially where the drivers are younger or under the influence of drugs or alcohol. This does not mean you are not concerned about safety on planes, trains and buses etc.


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I could go on about causes of death, different medical conditions, gender and sexuality etc. With BLM, the starting point is all lives matter. To achieve this, the focus is on the lives that apparently matter less. In Australia this means the group that has a life expectancy that is 20 years shorter than the rest of the population. The group with an incarceration rate of more than 10 times the rate of rest of the population where most of those imprisoned are imprisoned for crimes that that most in the wider population will only get a warning, fine or bond for if they do that same crime or for more serious crimes they will only get a shorter sentence. So the focus of the BLM movement here is on Indigenous Australians because of this disadvantage and its impact on health, economic wellbeing, justice etc. It does not mean that there is no focus on the health of the general population or general wellbeing or justice etc. It is that society should have equality and equity for all and it shows it by lifting up those most disadvantaged.



Yep, your 1st paragraph was correct on how quick the opposers jumped to
criticize BLM. Nothing new of course and not hard to figure out why. lol
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Phase3 said:

I am making this thread with all due respect.Not here to offend I was wondering if anyone here can help me understand the black lives matter movement.I understand that black lives do matter,but I have always thought that ALL lives matter. Shouldn't that be the message and what we should be saying?? Because even though bad things are happening to black people,bad things are still happening to all other races as well [Edited 6/16/21 1:16am]

If u went 2 the hospital needing surgery or u will die,

should the doctor be concerned about u or the guy that needs a bandaid for cut on his finger?

Use some common damn sense. Blacks are dying the streets by cops and otherwise at numbers higher that "all" lives.

If can't understand this.........there is no point and talking about this subject.

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In this clip, I candidly explain my time leading Black Lives Matter in Indiana, as well as, the Washington D.C. incident where "Allies" intimidated diners to "protest."

https://youtu.be/Dkt34wQgvuQ

Former BLM organizer is asked,

"Did you leave Black Lives Matter altogether?"

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Phase3 said:

I am making this thread with all due respect.Not here to offend I was wondering if anyone here can help me understand the black lives matter movement.I understand that black lives do matter,but I have always thought that ALL lives matter. Shouldn't that be the message and what we should be saying?? Because even though bad things are happening to black people,bad things are still happening to all other races as well [Edited 6/16/21 1:16am]

In the other thread, there is something I've been questioning in what I've seen for a while in the push of 'all black lives matter' in connection to 'black trans lives in particular' and I've seen an increase in the trans aspect of things. Online and in real time.
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This push is interesting, because I would think that that is a 'discussion' that blm should be having directly with various Black communities. Because overall black trans people are coming out of Black homes and neighborhoods and dealing with Black people, not white people, or whatever other community.

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The blm/trans flags I see more than anything.

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I remember around June of last year going to pick up an order(this was during COVID19 lockdown but things were opening up with seating distancing etc in New York State) And I went to the spot and there were people seating outside (and inside) it was kinda quiet, and I looked up and there was a 6'2 trans person, or drag queen, I suspect male in very short shorts and a top and boots with a black lives/trans lives flag. And the person just saunterd down the middle of the seatings.

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they talk about transgendered 'sistahs' @ 30:30min mention of a 'trans sister' being attacked by 4 black men in Minneapolis right in the middle of the protests "they took a break about saving black mens lives to attack a trans black woman..."

https://youtu.be/Yb3kcfIZVi4

#ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
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They matter if you are rich. I always notice right wing whites love them some black police or military people. No way even the most right wing white would call a cop the N-word.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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2freaky4church1 said:

They matter if you are rich. I always notice right wing whites love them some black police or military people. No way even the most right wing white would call a cop the N-word.



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