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Reply #60 posted 06/09/21 5:02pm

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https://www.youtube.com/w...b8nHYCdUVc Another mention of Fauci's emails from a reputably unbiased source. The BBC sound pretty convinced by the argument virus came from a lab


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Reply #61 posted 06/09/21 6:08pm

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I have no such partisan slant against science.

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There is no false narrative in regard to the election - No sitting president has ever had as many people vote against them as the coup leader did. This a fact. This was largely due to his failure to manage Covid 19 because he would likely have been elected for a second term if all he did was ordinary job.

The answer to my question is Donald J Trump. Donald Trump recieved more votes than Barack Obama in 2008/2012, Hillary Clinton in 2016 and any Republican ever. He recieved the second most votes in US history. You have been told this multiple times but you never change what you say. You say the same thing every time.

If your narrative was true, Trump's turnout would have been flat or down. Instead it was up 17.83% total and he made gained ground in every demographic except white maies (who he was down in)

Maybe if you approached debate as a way to find the weak points in your argument and bolster your beliefs, it would be alot more fun for everybody involved.


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Reply #62 posted 06/09/21 7:12pm

IanRG

Strive said:

IanRG said:

I have no such partisan slant against science.

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There is no false narrative in regard to the election - No sitting president has ever had as many people vote against them as the coup leader did. This a fact. This was largely due to his failure to manage Covid 19 because he would likely have been elected for a second term if all he did was ordinary job.

The answer to my question is Donald J Trump. Donald Trump recieved more votes than Barack Obama in 2008/2012, Hillary Clinton in 2016 and any Republican ever. He recieved the second most votes in US history. You have been told this multiple times but you never change what you say. You say the same thing every time.

If your narrative was true, Trump's turnout would have been flat or down. Instead it was up 17.83% total and he made gained ground in every demographic except white maies (who he was down in)

Maybe if you approached debate as a way to find the weak points in your argument and bolster your beliefs, it would be alot more fun for everybody involved.


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The coup leader lost with more people voting against him than anyone else ever before - This is not spin to pretend the loss was something other than a resounding loss.

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The only reason so many out ot vote for him is all the reports on how many people (mostly Dems) who had submitted early mail in votes. This scared the GoP and the far right media so they encouraged people to get out and vote. It failed - despite the GoP vote holding up elsewhere so the blue wave did not occur in other votes, many GoP people did not carry this through to the failed businessman turned reality TV personality so he still lost with the biggest vote against a sitting president ever.

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Your weak points provide more than enough fun. Maybe if you did not have so many partisan weakpoints in all your posts and your saw this as a learning experience you would not need to spin so much in favour your loser.

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Reply #63 posted 06/10/21 11:25am

Strive

IanRG said:

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The coup leader lost with more people voting against him than anyone else ever before - This is not spin to pretend the loss was something other than a resounding loss.

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The only reason so many out ot vote for him is all the reports on how many people (mostly Dems) who had submitted early mail in votes. This scared the GoP and the far right media so they encouraged people to get out and vote. It failed - despite the GoP vote holding up elsewhere so the blue wave did not occur in other votes, many GoP people did not carry this through to the failed businessman turned reality TV personality so he still lost with the biggest vote against a sitting president ever.

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Your weak points provide more than enough fun. Maybe if you did not have so many partisan weakpoints in all your posts and your saw this as a learning experience you would not need to spin so much in favour your loser.

This is a good example of what I was talking about. Instead of just ignoring me or tweaking your argument even slightly, you just repeat what you originally said.

Why do you feel that urge to have to get the last word when you have no desire to debate? It's so tedious to read.

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Reply #64 posted 06/10/21 2:00pm

IanRG

Strive said:

IanRG said:

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The coup leader lost with more people voting against him than anyone else ever before - This is not spin to pretend the loss was something other than a resounding loss.

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The only reason so many out ot vote for him is all the reports on how many people (mostly Dems) who had submitted early mail in votes. This scared the GoP and the far right media so they encouraged people to get out and vote. It failed - despite the GoP vote holding up elsewhere so the blue wave did not occur in other votes, many GoP people did not carry this through to the failed businessman turned reality TV personality so he still lost with the biggest vote against a sitting president ever.

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Your weak points provide more than enough fun. Maybe if you did not have so many partisan weakpoints in all your posts and your saw this as a learning experience you would not need to spin so much in favour your loser.

This is a good example of what I was talking about. Instead of just ignoring me or tweaking your argument even slightly, you just repeat what you originally said.

Why do you feel that urge to have to get the last word when you have no desire to debate? It's so tedious to read.

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I understand words are hard for you. The post to which you are replying is significantly tweaked from my previous post to you. It develops the argument by adding more details - details you chose not to address because they don't fit with your propaganda.

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Note, not one single part of your reply is debating the topic or anything I said. It shows absolutely no desire from you to debate anything. Ironically, it is to argue for others to not post so you have the last word instead. (Don't worry, others will understand what I mean here and they can explain it to you.)

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The role of an election in a first past the post system is to determine who got the most votes in that election, not the second most. No matter how blinded you are by your politics and the far right nut-job corporate media you follow, the people who did not receive the most votes lost. The coup leader lost by so many measures - he lost the electoral college votes by a margin he previously called a landslide. He lost the national popular vote, he lost all his pride and dignity, and most importantly, he lost the support of the people primarily as a result of all his lies and his covid stuff ups.

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Your obsession with him and refusal to move on, as demonstrated by your often repeated spin, is why you get responses that you do.

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Reply #65 posted 06/10/21 7:52pm

Strive

IanRG said:

I understand words are hard for you. The post to which you are replying is significantly tweaked from my previous post to you. It develops the argument by adding more details - details you chose not to address because they don't fit with your propaganda.

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Note, not one single part of your reply is debating the topic or anything I said. It shows absolutely no desire from you to debate anything. Ironically, it is to argue for others to not post so you have the last word instead. (Don't worry, others will understand what I mean here and they can explain it to you.)

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The role of an election in a first past the post system is to determine who got the most votes in that election, not the second most. No matter how blinded you are by your politics and the far right nut-job corporate media you follow, the people who did not receive the most votes lost. The coup leader lost by so many measures - he lost the electoral college votes by a margin he previously called a landslide. He lost the national popular vote, he lost all his pride and dignity, and most importantly, he lost the support of the people primarily as a result of all his lies and his covid stuff ups.

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Your obsession with him and refusal to move on, as demonstrated by your often repeated spin, is why you get responses that you do.

I didn't address your post because it didn't make any sense.

1) You attribute Trump's loss to his response & handling of covid. Which is something that can't be quantified. You don't know why people voted the way they did. So that is something that is forever your opinion and can't be proven. Ever.

2) You keep saying that Trump was thrown out of office with the largest amounts of votes against him in history, a humiliating loss, a landslide...ignoring that he was up 17.83%. He got the second most votes in US history. If 2020 was a repudiation of Trump, his numbers would have been down or flat. If your new theory was right about right wing media scaring people to the polls with reports of record mail-in turnout, he would have only been up with those demographics. Instead he was up in every demographic except white men. Why didn't the right wing media's scare tactics work on white males? Isn't that their main demographic?

Debating is fun. Debating you isn't. Because you think that anybody who disagrees with you must be a morally wrong conservative. And you say the same thing over and over and over again. It doesn't matter what anybody posts. Your posts are the same always.

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Reply #66 posted 06/10/21 10:05pm

IanRG

Strive said:

IanRG said:

I understand words are hard for you. The post to which you are replying is significantly tweaked from my previous post to you. It develops the argument by adding more details - details you chose not to address because they don't fit with your propaganda.

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Note, not one single part of your reply is debating the topic or anything I said. It shows absolutely no desire from you to debate anything. Ironically, it is to argue for others to not post so you have the last word instead. (Don't worry, others will understand what I mean here and they can explain it to you.)

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The role of an election in a first past the post system is to determine who got the most votes in that election, not the second most. No matter how blinded you are by your politics and the far right nut-job corporate media you follow, the people who did not receive the most votes lost. The coup leader lost by so many measures - he lost the electoral college votes by a margin he previously called a landslide. He lost the national popular vote, he lost all his pride and dignity, and most importantly, he lost the support of the people primarily as a result of all his lies and his covid stuff ups.

.

Your obsession with him and refusal to move on, as demonstrated by your often repeated spin, is why you get responses that you do.

I didn't address your post because it didn't make any sense.

1) You attribute Trump's loss to his response & handling of covid. Which is something that can't be quantified. You don't know why people voted the way they did. So that is something that is forever your opinion and can't be proven. Ever.

2) You keep saying that Trump was thrown out of office with the largest amounts of votes against him in history, a humiliating loss, a landslide...ignoring that he was up 17.83%. He got the second most votes in US history. If 2020 was a repudiation of Trump, his numbers would have been down or flat. If your new theory was right about right wing media scaring people to the polls with reports of record mail-in turnout, he would have only been up with those demographics. Instead he was up in every demographic except white men. Why didn't the right wing media's scare tactics work on white males? Isn't that their main demographic?

Debating is fun. Debating you isn't. Because you think that anybody who disagrees with you must be a morally wrong conservative. And you say the same thing over and over and over again. It doesn't matter what anybody posts. Your posts are the same always.

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Debating you is fun but not intellectually stimulating because it is too easy to see your mistakes. Virtually everyone else provides an opportunity to learn something but you get lost in the simplest of facts and can never move on from the weakest of positions.

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Ironically you say I repeat myself and want to have the last post unanswered. Yet here you are back again with the same silly mistake you have repeated over multiple threads and replying with nothing new.

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The coup leader lost with the biggest ever number of votes against a sitting president ever - even with the gerrymander in the college votes, his loss here was of a scale HE called a landslide loss - all your dancing about with figures ignores these fact.

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He was widely considered as having a reasonable chance of winning as late as January 2020. You are correct - absolutely proving why he then became the biggest loser ever is not possible. However, the biggest single change from the beginning of 2020 to election day was that he was the commander in chief of a process that saw a quarter of million killed by election day (and 450,000 by Inauguration Day) and now more than 600,000. The USA mismanagement meant, that despite having the Pacific Ocean between it and China and the Atlantic Ocean between it and Italy, the USA is still the country with the highest total number of cases and deaths - and in the worst 10 percent of countries on most measures on a per capita basis. He is, more than anyone including Fauci, responsible for people like you making up figures, refusing masks, not social distancing, storming State capital buildings (as a precursor to his own failed coup attempt) and encouraging threats to Democratic Governors of insurrection, kidnapping, kangaroo courts by far right mobs and lynchings - all because they were trying to manage Covid.

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Reply #67 posted 06/11/21 11:49am

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For the more open minded folk here.

https://blog.nomorefakene...snt-exist/

This book is also worth your time.




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Reply #68 posted 06/11/21 12:18pm

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Cloudbuster said:

For the more open minded folk here.

https://blog.nomorefakene...snt-exist/


Word salad nonsense really. All viruses exist, they're real alright. They have to infect a host, like humans. They also love weak immune systems, which enables them to do more damage and reproduce more.

Some are deadly, others barely impact at all. Our so-called junk dna is thought to contain all the viruses accumulated from our ancestors' past. The novel viruses that spring up from time to time, contemporaneously, lack the transmissibility factor that allows them to efficiently infect human cells. This virus is different. Four proteins joined up that would just never happen in nature, because they all have the same electrical charge. Up to a maximum of 3 occasionally happen, not 4. The polybasic furin cleavage site has so much to answer for. Where did this virus likely emerge? From a laboratory performing gain-of-function research. Not from nature.

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Reply #69 posted 06/12/21 1:08am

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Reply #70 posted 06/14/21 9:53am

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"...if you are try to get at me, you're really not only are you attacking Dr Anthony Fauci you're also attacking science"

-Dr Fauci

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Reply #71 posted 06/14/21 11:29am

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Saager Enjeti goes off on Fauci:

https://www.youtube.com/w...9eHvRXozk8

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #72 posted 06/14/21 11:48am

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https://youtu.be/841Maa7ugSw

‘Worst cover up in history’: CNN jump on lab leak theory bandwagon

Texas lawmaker Michael McCaul says the origins of COVID-19 is the “worst coverup in human history," as mainstream media are backing an investigation into the theory after a year of dismissing it.
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“Let me say this is the worst cover up in human history,” Mr McCaul told CNN.
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“Resulting in 3.5 million deaths, creating economic devastation around the globe.
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“It was just declassified that three of the researchers were actually hospitalised in November 2019 with flu like symptoms consistent with COVID.”
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Last week President Biden issued a 90 day directive for intelligence agencies to investigate two origin theories including that the virus could have come from a Chinese lab.
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Mr McCaul said the move was "long overdue" because China had "destroyed everything at the lab".
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Mainstream media hesitated from reporting the theory, one that President Trump had backed, and frequently slammed outlets that did.
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CNN’s Chris Cuomo falsely claimed the theory was a “newer” notion and something the US government hadn’t pursed yet. However, the anchor reported the theory back in April 2020 and called it a “story to watch”.

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Reply #73 posted 06/14/21 11:51am

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I'd suspect it was an American lab.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #74 posted 06/14/21 11:54am

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WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Footage proves bats were kept in Wuhan lab

The Wuhan Institute of Virology kept live bats in cages, new footage from inside the facility has revealed, disproving denials from World Health Organisation investigators who claimed the suggestion was a “conspiracy”. An official Chinese Academy of Sciences video to mark the launch of the new biosafety level 4 laboratory in May 2017 speaks about the security precautions that are in place if “an accident” occurs and reveals there had been “intense clashes” with the French Government during the construction of the laboratory. The video shows bats being held in a cage at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, along with vision of a scientist feeding a bat with a worm. The 10 minute video is titled “The construction and research team of Wuhan P4 laboratory of Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences” and features interviews with its leading scientists. The World Health Organisation report investigating the origin of the pandemic failed to mention that any bats had been kept at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and only its annex referred to animals being housed there. “The animal room in the P4 facility can handle a variety of species, including primate work with SARS-CoV-2,” it states. A member of the World Health Organisation team investigating the origin of the pandemic in Wuhan, zoologist Peter Daszak said it was a conspiracy to suggest bats were held at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. In one tweet dated December, 2020 he said: “No BATS were sent to Wuhan lab for genetic analysis of viruses collected in the field. That’s now how this science works. We collect bat samples, send them to the lab. We RELEASE bats where we catch them!” In another tweet, dated December 11, 2020, he said: “This is a widely circulated conspiracy theory. This piece describes work I’m the lead on and labs I’ve collaborated with for 15 years. They DO NOT have live or dead bats in them. There is no evidence anywhere that this happened. It’s an error I hope will be corrected.” This month, Daszak appeared to retract his earlier denials and admitted the Wuhan Institute of Virology may have housed bats but admitted he had not asked them. The Chinese Academy of Sciences video was discovered by researchers investigating the origin of the pandemic who call themselves DRASTIC. Digital archivist “Jesse” found the Chinese Academy of Sciences Video while the group's co-ordinator, who goes by a pseudonym of “Billy Bostickson” for safety reasons, has long complained evidence bats were housed in the Wuhan laboratories. The video forms part of the investigation for the book “What Really Happened in Wuhan” which is available for pre-order at Amazon and Booktopia. Mr Daszak has not responded to requests for comment.

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Reply #75 posted 06/14/21 12:36pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

I'd suspect it was an American lab.


We, or rather Fauci, moved it from America to Wuhan when Obama shut it down. Then he continued funding it in Wuhan. So, there's that.

If you believed that the possibility of a lab leak was a debunked conspiracy theory, you're getting your news from the wrong source. Just sayin'...
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Reply #76 posted 06/14/21 12:37pm

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Battie.

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