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Thread started 05/02/21 6:03pm

IanRG

Canadian proud boys dissolve

The fall out from the failed coup and attempts to steal the election continues.

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Reply #1 posted 05/02/21 11:09pm

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But now it leaves the door wide open for a bigger threat: Canadian Boogaloo Boys! disbelief

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Reply #2 posted 05/03/21 7:00am

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Oh no, what will the alt-right do without the homosexual men's club founded by the co-creator of Vice. lol

"When you deny people the option to not pick a side, you may not like the side they'll pick."
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Reply #3 posted 05/03/21 8:47am

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Strive said:

Oh no, what will the alt-right do without the homosexual men's club founded by the co-creator of Vice. lol



You tell us
What are your plans?
#SOCIETYDEFINESU
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Reply #4 posted 05/03/21 12:55pm

Strive

jjhunsecker said:

Strive said:

Oh no, what will the alt-right do without the homosexual men's club founded by the co-creator of Vice. lol

You tell us What are your plans?

Well I'm not alt-right or a homosexual in the hipster from Vice's men's club. So I guess I'll just keep loving my country for being the best country on earth and serving my church razz

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Reply #5 posted 05/03/21 1:09pm

IanRG

Strive said:

Oh no, what will the alt-right do without the homosexual men's club founded by the co-creator of Vice. lol

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Ah now the alternative in alternative right now makes sense. Don't worry, I heard Palor is coming back so the Alt right will still find dates.

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Reply #6 posted 05/03/21 6:14pm

IanRG

Strive said:



jjhunsecker said:


Strive said:

Oh no, what will the alt-right do without the homosexual men's club founded by the co-creator of Vice. lol



You tell us What are your plans?


Well I'm not alt-right or a homosexual in the hipster from Vice's men's club. So I guess I'll just keep loving my country for being the best country on earth and serving my church razz

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So you oppose the racist violence perpetrated by the proud boys after they were called to action by the coup leader in his last desperate act in failing to steal the election?
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Reply #7 posted 05/03/21 7:02pm

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LOL Proud Boys - the biggest red herring today fart

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Reply #8 posted 05/03/21 7:24pm

Strive

IanRG said:

. So you oppose the racist violence perpetrated by the proud boys after they were called to action by the coup leader in his last desperate act in failing to steal the election?

Racist violence like...getting beat up by antifa any time they tried to do a public demonstration?

Coup leader by...telling people to go to the Captial to demonstration and telling them to go home when they went inside?

Steal an election by...wanting an audit done?

You're making George Orwell very proud.

So no, I oppose and reject your silly game.

"When you deny people the option to not pick a side, you may not like the side they'll pick."
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Reply #9 posted 05/03/21 9:04pm

IanRG

Strive said:

IanRG said:

. So you oppose the racist violence perpetrated by the proud boys after they were called to action by the coup leader in his last desperate act in failing to steal the election?

Racist violence like...getting beat up by antifa any time they tried to do a public demonstration?

Coup leader by...telling people to go to the Captial to demonstration and telling them to go home when they went inside?

Steal an election by...wanting an audit done?

You're making George Orwell very proud.

So no, I oppose and reject your silly game.

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So you are Alt-Right and far from Christian. Jesus would NOT have been on the side of those attacking people for seeking an end to systemic racism.

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The Canadian Government, US Government and all the Governments of the Western World focusing on the terrorist threat of the Alt-Right (ie fascists, white supremacists and other far right extremist) are correct and all your friends in prison following 6 Jan 2021 are there because of their attack on the foundations of the country you said was so great.

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As to Orwellian: Dismissing the very group your coup leader asked to stand down and stand as just homosexuals and hipsters is just because one group of them dissolved rather than be seen as part of your terrorist cults.

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Reply #10 posted 05/03/21 9:22pm

Strive

IanRG said:

So you are Alt-Right and far from Christian. Jesus would NOT have been on the side of those attacking people for seeking an end to systemic racism.

Thanks for assigning me to a group and condescendingly telling me what my religion really means.

I'm sure you'll tell me next that Jesus would have really punched fascists and would totally be a woke globalist. Love is love right. He would want everybody to do what they want.

IanRG said:

As to Orwellian: Dismissing the very group your coup leader asked to stand down and stand as just homosexuals and hipsters is just because one group of them dissolved rather than be seen as part of your terrorist cults.

No. They're homosexuals and hipsters because they do quasi-homosexual acts and have Gavin McInnes as their founder. You know. The godfather of hipsters from Canada that's married to a Native American activist.

Very weird how a white suprmacist group is so diverse. Really makes the noggin go a joggin

IanRG said:

The Canadian Government, US Government and all the Governments of the Western World focusing on the terrorist threat of the Alt-Right (ie fascists, white supremacists and other far right extremist) are correct and all your friends in prison following 6 Jan 2021 are there because of their attack on the foundations of the country you said was so great.

An attack where nobody was injured except the "attackers". Meanwhile a mentally ill Nation Of Islam member drives into a Captial barricade and actually kills an officer and the media (and you) are completely silent. Where's the big reaction to stop extremists?

It's almost like you don't care about anything besides gaining power.

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Reply #11 posted 05/03/21 10:52pm

IanRG

Strive said:

IanRG said:

So you are Alt-Right and far from Christian. Jesus would NOT have been on the side of those attacking people for seeking an end to systemic racism.

Thanks for assigning me to a group and condescendingly telling me what my religion really means.

I'm sure you'll tell me next that Jesus would have really punched fascists and would totally be a woke globalist. Love is love right. He would want everybody to do what they want.

No. They're homosexuals and hipsters because they do quasi-homosexual acts and have Gavin McInnes as their founder. You know. The godfather of hipsters from Canada that's married to a Native American activist.

Very weird how a white suprmacist group is so diverse. Really makes the noggin go a joggin

IanRG said:

The Canadian Government, US Government and all the Governments of the Western World focusing on the terrorist threat of the Alt-Right (ie fascists, white supremacists and other far right extremist) are correct and all your friends in prison following 6 Jan 2021 are there because of their attack on the foundations of the country you said was so great.

An attack where nobody was injured except the "attackers". <Offtoip>Meanwhile a mentally ill Nation Of Islam member drives into a Captial barricade and actually kills an officer and the media (and you) are completely silent. Where's the big reaction to stop extremists?

It's almost like you don't care about anything besides gaining power.

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No, as a practicing Christian I would never say that Jesus would punch you - Please do not resort to making up arguments I never made and then making arguments against your made up assumption - that is a strawman logic error.

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I appreciate it can very hard to answer a whole short reply but when you edit out what I said where I said "Alt-Right (ie fascists, white supremacists and other far right extremist)" and then YOU pretend I only said "white supremacists", this is dishonest. I said the Alt right was made up of fascists and white supremacists and other far right extremists. Some may be more than one of these, some may be just one of these. Not all are white supremacists, just a lot of the Alt-right are.

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So all the Alt-right people, including those from groups like the proud boys and the boogaloo boys in prison today for killing and injuring people protesting against systemic racism and in their own riots and acts of insurrection to steal the election did not kill or injure the people they killed or injured!! That the coup leader's followers were so inept in this says more about them and those seeking to excuse their failed actions than anyone else.

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The accusation that I support the violence by the Nation of Islam and that I do this because I am seeking to gain power is wrong, off topic and is just a distraction. Note I am not from the USA so what ever happens there does not me in or out of power. Please keep to the topic.

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Reply #12 posted 05/04/21 5:52am

Strive

To get back to the topic at hand, the proud boys were never anything more than a very lame fraternal club. They were never a threat. The worse they did was fight in response to violence against them as the police had a "let them fight" mentality when it came to right wing and left wing demonstrations. (At best. At worst, the police directed groups into conflict by marching one group into another)

It's hilarious how you talk about systematic racism as the system parrots the same commie buzzwords and steamrolls anybody who doesn't agree. There's a clear double standard and it isn't whites that are benefiting from it.

Antifa has been destroying local communities for months now. Nothing. You keep saying coup, coup, coup but the people at the Captial riot didn't hurt anybody and left after a couple hours. Meanwhile a Nation Of Islam member drives into a Captial barrier and kills an officer. Silence.

Anybody with half a brain can see through your rhetoric. Even noted liberal journalists like Glenn Greenwald are starting to wake up https://greenwald.substac...oying-woke

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Reply #13 posted 05/04/21 9:53am

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They are still with us. Incel punks. Full of ignorance. Like those Diet Coup dicks.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #14 posted 05/04/21 2:15pm

IanRG

Strive said:

To get back to the topic at hand...

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The experts in the US and Canadian government agencies disagree with you.

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The statistics of actual far-right terrorism shows who is lying for their alt-right friends here. Your attampt to dismiss the objective and normalise the 6 Jan 2021 shows you up everytime you seek to do this.

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You pretend that you want to get back to the topic but just you repeat your distractions. The topic is the fall out on the organisations that attacked those seeking an end to systemic racism and who worked with the coup leader in their failed attempt to steal the election. As a result of its involvement with terrorism and failed insurrection, the proud boys tagged itself as a terrorist organisation (along with other fascist or white supremacist or other far right groups) and it just dissolved in Canada because of this. The reason that there is silence on anything else is because that is not the topic.

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Your obsession with defending the alt right with all the alt-right spin belies your pathetic attempt to make this an attack on anyone else, be they homosexuals, Nation of Islam, Antifa, commies, hipsters, Christians who follow the teaching of Jesus. All deflection to defend how you have sold out to Alt-right extremism.

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The one way that you are right is that the proud boys were in over their heads. They did just start as bunch of disgruntled boys that got too tied up with actual far-right extremists, They were too easily manipulated by a Putin/Kim/Erdogan wannabe. The name "proud boys" is now forever tainted with being on the wrong side of history in fight for equality and equity for all and in the failure of the previous presidency. As such, the Canadian part of the group dissolved.

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As I said in the OP on the topic: "The fall out from the failed coup and attempts to steal the election continues."

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Reply #15 posted 05/04/21 2:24pm

IanRG

2freaky4church1 said:

They are still with us. Incel punks. Full of ignorance. Like those Diet Coup dicks.

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And all the boys who frock up in their fake camo / paramilitary gear, stylised hunting gear, horned hats and little else etc. to alt right events as one big fraternal club for the cameras.

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Reply #16 posted 05/04/21 4:37pm

Strive

IanRG said:
The experts in the US and Canadian government agencies disagree with you.

The statistics of actual far-right terrorism shows who is lying for their alt-right friends here. Your attampt to dismiss the objective and normalise the 6 Jan 2021 shows you up everytime you seek to do this.

Again and forever.

People walk in the Capital, no real damage, no officials hurt or killed: According to you, democrats and Biden, the worst act of insurrection since the Civil War.

Unite The Right Rally: Less than 1000 "white supremacists" from all across the country gather. Some idiot hits the accelerator when "peaceful" counterprotesters attack his car and one person dies: Still talked about today as an example of how dangerous and endemic white supremacy is. Driver pled guilty to avoid the death penalty and ended up with two life sentences.

Some idiot knowingly slams in a Capital barriade killing an officer before getting shot to death: Story quickly buried once the details were discovered. No mention of his race or extremism in the mainstream media coverage. Facebook deleted his account within the hour. No Biden memorial for the fallen officer.

Tens of thousands of people burn down their communities for months, cause billions of dollars of damage and a number of deaths: Peaceful protests that nearly every major corporation came out in support of. Catch and release arrests. No questioning of the narrative they're pushing allowed.

For a system that has racism built into its very core, a system that must be torn all the way down and rebuilt in the name of equity, it sure seems like one group gets to do whatever they want while the other group gets cracked down on in the most extreme manners.

It's almost like woke ideology is a shield for government and corporations to snatch more power and suppress those that go against them.

Here's another good Glenn Greenwald article.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-media-lied-repeatedly-about-officer

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Reply #17 posted 05/04/21 5:39pm

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Strive said:

Again and forever.

People walk in the Capital, no real damage, no officials hurt or killed: According to you, democrats and Biden, the worst act of insurrection since the Civil War.

Unite The Right Rally: Less than 1000 "white supremacists" from all across the country gather. Some idiot hits the accelerator when "peaceful" counterprotesters attack his car and one person dies: Still talked about today as an example of how dangerous and endemic white supremacy is. Driver pled guilty to avoid the death penalty and ended up with two life sentences.

Some idiot knowingly slams in a Capital barriade killing an officer before getting shot to death: Story quickly buried once the details were discovered. No mention of his race or extremism in the mainstream media coverage. Facebook deleted his account within the hour. No Biden memorial for the fallen officer.

Tens of thousands of people burn down their communities for months, cause billions of dollars of damage and a number of deaths: Peaceful protests that nearly every major corporation came out in support of. Catch and release arrests. No questioning of the narrative they're pushing allowed.

For a system that has racism built into its very core, a system that must be torn all the way down and rebuilt in the name of equity, it sure seems like one group gets to do whatever they want while the other group gets cracked down on in the most extreme manners.

It's almost like woke ideology is a shield for government and corporations to snatch more power and suppress those that go against them.

Here's another good Glenn Greenwald article.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-media-lied-repeatedly-about-officer

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Huh? There was damage to the Capitol! You might want to check THE facts.


More than a 140 people were injured. 5 dead.


They vandalized the Capitol for HOURS! The pissed all over it, they shit all over it, they broke windows, they stole, they looted, they ransacked.


It was the most violent assault on the Capiton since 1814, when it was burned. (That's a FACT)


They were hunting for Pence and Pelosi BOTH, wanting to hang them. We as a Nation are lucky that those 2 got out alive.


So stop with the BS lies.


Why this forum allows BS conspiracy crap is beyond me. It just allows more false information to spin. Hell even Twitter, FB are banning people like this.

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Reply #18 posted 05/04/21 6:12pm

IanRG

Strive said:

IanRG said:
The experts in the US and Canadian government agencies disagree with you.

The statistics of actual far-right terrorism shows who is lying for their alt-right friends here. Your attampt to dismiss the objective and normalise the 6 Jan 2021 shows you up everytime you seek to do this.

Again and forever.

<Off topic justication of the failed coup coupled with attacks on anyone opposed to far right politics>

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To dismiss the violence by the proud boys and other fascist, white supremacist or far right extremist seeking to steal the election on the basis of how inept these groups were on 6 Jan 2021 as evidenced by their failure and by deflection to other things is dishonest.

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Please do not seek to take over a thread to push your defense of people encouraged by the coup leader to undermine the US government and election processes. The topic is fallout for the failure of these nut-jobs to do so now resulting in the proud boys in Canada dissolving to distance themselves from being considered terrorists along with these failed insurrectionists. In this you came in with an attack LGBTQI+ people with false accusations about the sexual orientation of others as if sexual orientation diminishes rights to protest or be in groups.

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That cop did die of natural causes.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #20 posted 05/05/21 7:50am

Strive

IanRG said:

Please do not seek to take over a thread to push your defense of people encouraged by the coup leader to undermine the US government and election processes. The topic is fallout for the failure of these nut-jobs to do so now resulting in the proud boys in Canada dissolving to distance themselves from being considered terrorists along with these failed insurrectionists. In this you came in with an attack LGBTQI+ people with false accusations about the sexual orientation of others as if sexual orientation diminishes rights to protest or be in groups.

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Yeah, I don't know what the hell you are talking about.

But in your babbling, you bring up a good point. If these people are unable to make amends and are forever marked as tainted, what's the point of renouncing anything?

If the most tame of conservative stances place you on the "wrong side of history" forever...why would anybody want to change? Why would anybody want to be your ally? Why wouldn't they just get more and more extreme as they are pushed out of society?

"When you deny people the option to not pick a side, you may not like the side they'll pick."
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Reply #21 posted 05/05/21 2:32pm

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Strive said:

IanRG said:

Please do not seek to take over a thread to push your defense of people encouraged by the coup leader to undermine the US government and election processes. The topic is fallout for the failure of these nut-jobs to do so now resulting in the proud boys in Canada dissolving to distance themselves from being considered terrorists along with these failed insurrectionists. In this you came in with an attack LGBTQI+ people with false accusations about the sexual orientation of others as if sexual orientation diminishes rights to protest or be in groups.

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Yeah, I don't know what the hell you are talking about.

But in your babbling, you bring up a good point. If these people are unable to make amends and are forever marked as tainted, what's the point of renouncing anything?

If the most tame of conservative stances place you on the "wrong side of history" forever...why would anybody want to change? Why would anybody want to be your ally? Why wouldn't they just get more and more extreme as they are pushed out of society?

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I am not surprised you don't understand what is said to you. You are not even responding to the post where I pointed why the Canadian proud boys dissolved and that you are on wrong side of history - It was they who said they did not want to be associated with terrorists.

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There was nothing "most tame" in the stances of the coup leader and his extremist base. He encouraged violence by the proud boys and other extremists. This took the form of people injured and killed for seeking an end to systemic racism. Also the plans to capture and kill Governors for seeking to protect the health of their citizens. And finally after the failure of GoP Governors, Secretaries of State and Election officials to overturn the vote of the people against him he hoped that the GoP Vice President would misuse the constitution to sieze power for him. When all of this fell apart, he sent the proud boys, together with other extremist, to sieze the capital building and capture Pence and Pelosi and lynch them unless he was returned to power.

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If you think this is tame, then I do not want you as an ally. If you feel than not being able to do this means you have been pushed out of society then you are already out of general society. This is the problem - the cults and manipulators on the far right are now recognised as one of the 3 greatest threats to the US and other western countries - External threats from Islamists or China and far right domestic terrorist groups.

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Fortunately the Canadian proud boys demonstrated the solution: Instead of stand back and stand by, they realised that the solution was stand back and dissolve with the realisation that they are just "electricians, carpenters, financial advisors, mechanics, etc. More than that, [they] are fathers, brothers, uncles and sons."

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But you are right, far right. The threat of far right terrorism in the form you consider to be tame remains. Your dismissal that this terrorism is just a response to them feeling they are being pushed out of society because people protested against a lack of equity and equality for all people and the American people voted out a man known for his racism and use of white supremacist symbols and iconography who called on the terrorists to stand back and stand by for him shows the threat remains.

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Reply #22 posted 05/05/21 2:42pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

That cop did die of natural causes.

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The coroner said in regard to the events of 6 January 2021 that "All that transpired played a role in his condition." This being the two strokes that killed him.

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This impacts on the charges of those who attacked him, not on whether the failed attempt at a coup by forcing Pence to assert powers Pence did not believe he had to allow him to declare the coup leader as the next president. Pence finally having the courage to stand up to the coup leader's extremism and extremist followers put his own life at direct risk from people who thought this was just a tame conservative stance.

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2freaky4church1 said:

That cop did die of natural causes.

Brought on by the bear poison.

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Reply #24 posted 05/05/21 11:56pm

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PennyPurple said:

2freaky4church1 said:

That cop did die of natural causes.

Brought on by the bear poison.

So many excuses being made for the Capitol rioters it's ridiculous but then they don't have a problem bringing up the riots from last summer.....downplaying thousands of white people committing treason but screaming that the media didn't cover the story of the black guy who rammed the barrier at the Capitol a few weeks ago. It made NATIONAL NEWS and got plenty of coverage but alas.....the right has now made it a point to create scenarios to demonize some while excusing the exact same behavior done by those who look like them.

Trolls be gone!
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Note Trump got away.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #26 posted 05/06/21 9:04am

Strive

PennyPurple said:

2freaky4church1 said:

That cop did die of natural causes.

Brought on by the bear poison.

Somebody didn't read the article I posted. Please delete your org account for spreading fake conspiracy theories. razz

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"Because the truth usually prevails, at least ultimately, their lies, yet again, all came crashing down on their heads on Monday. The District of Columbia’s chief medical examiner earlier this morning issued his official ruling in the Sicknick case, and it was so definitive that The Washington Post — one of the media outlets that had pushed the multiple falsehoods — did not even bother to try to mask or mitigate the stark conclusion it revealed:

The first line tells much of the story: “Capitol Police officer Brian D. Sicknick suffered two strokes and died of natural causes a day after he confronted rioters at the Jan. 6 insurrection, the District’s chief medical examiner has ruled.” Using understatement, the paper added: “The ruling, released Monday, likely will make it difficult for prosecutors to pursue homicide charges in the officer’s death.”

This definitive finding from the medical examiner not only rids us of the Fire Extinguisher lie but also the second theory to which these media outlets resorted once they had to face the reality that they spent weeks spreading an outright lie (needless to say, they provided no real accountability or even acknowledgement for the fact that they did spread that Fire Extinguisher tale, instead just seamlessly moving to their next evidence-free claim). They changed their story to claim that pro-Trump protesters still murdered Sicknick, not with a fire extinguisher but with bear spray, which video shows at least one protester using in his vicinity.


The problem with that theory is that bear spray is not usually fatal, and the medical examiner's findings ruled out the possibility that this is what caused his death:

In an interview with The Washington Post, Francisco J. Diaz, the medical examiner, said the autopsy found no evidence the 42-year-old officer suffered an allergic reaction to chemical irritants, which Diaz said would have caused Sicknick’s throat to quickly seize. Diaz also said there was no evidence of internal or external injuries….

Diaz said Sicknick suffered two strokes at the base of the brain stem caused by a clot in an artery that supplies blood to that area of the body. Diaz said he could not comment on whether Sicknick had a preexisting medical condition, citing privacy laws.

So there goes that second fairy tale. The Post did note the medical examiner's observation regarding Sicknick's participation in defending the Capitol that day that “all that transpired played a role in his condition.” That of course is true: just as it is true for the two pro-Trump supporters who had heart attacks that day and the other pro-Trump supporter who died from too much amphetamine in her system, having a stressful encounter as a police officer likely played a role in why someone would have two strokes the following day. But police officers are trained for stressful encounters, and that obviously is a far cry from being able to claim that any pro-Trump supporter murdered Sicknick."

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-media-lied-repeatedly-about-officer

Glenn Greenwald is the journalist that broke the Snowden story in case you never heard of him and think he's some untrustworthy right wing nut.

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Reply #27 posted 05/06/21 2:51pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Note Trump got away.

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He never even fronted - He sent his boys to do his dirty work. Watched it on TV and did nothing. Complained about his people looking low class and did nothing. 47 minutes after it was confirmed to him that he had failed to get Pence, he started the backtrack by tweeting a call for peace. More than an hour after this he posted a video calling off the insurrectionists with words of love and understanding and continued the lie that the election was stolen from him. Nearly 2 hours after this he was still calling the insurrectionists "great patriots".

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It was not until the next day when he finally realised that he could be in trouble for this that he threw his insurrectionists under a bus. Now suddenly the love, understanding, thankfulness and recognition of these terrorists as great patriots fighting like hell all disappeared. Never forget, the coup leader is narcissist who alway protects his own ass first. There is a long list of people that have done his dirty work only to be thrown under many buses to protect this monsterous ass.

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Whether the Canadian proud boys dissolving rather than continue to be associated with this terrorism is a beginning of the end or others will strive for more alt right extremism remains to be seen. Based on the org microcosm, the chances of a sane future is not looking great.

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