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2freaky4church
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Joe Biden says most Americans are not racist.

JJ, 2Elijah, you off the train now? lol

I don't even agree with Biden. Lotsa racism.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #1 posted 05/01/21 12:08pm

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I never said “most”
Just ENOUGH of them are...

And it’s not even an issue of individual prejudices that matter as much as systemic racism in housing, employment, law enforcement, and one that I truly believe is fundamental, and that is education
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Admit you are in a bubble. You see race in everything. Read Racecraft.

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2freaky4church1 said:

Admit you are in a bubble. You see race in everything. Read Racecraft.



I only “see race” because this country has forced me to. I wish I didn’t have to. I just want to go about my life and not be fucked with

But God , you sound more like Hannity and O’Reilly and Coulter every day
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it is not just the racist but race baiters and bigots off all sorts...

'No amendment is absolute' ~ Joe Biden... even the 13th?
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"you sound more like Hannity and O’Reilly and Coulter every day"

Loopy. wow.

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2freaky4church1 said:

"you sound more like Hannity and O’Reilly and Coulter every day"



Loopy. wow.



Well, they are the ones who complain that minorities always “see race in everything “.... and you’re now joining them
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You cannot see race in everything because there is no such beast. Race, the idea of it was invented by...Racists! You buy into race you buy into what racists have said. You legitimize the idea that there are special differences in humans based on skin color. They are not. Every human came from the original ancestor in Africa. Skin color is a chemical. What we are is something in us--DNA, when it comes to genes we are all much different. I have more in common with Denzel Washington possibly than with Only--lol. Africa has huge Gene differences. They also have tribes. They see themselves as tribal, not black. A person from Kenya is Kenyan, not black. A Zimbobwayan is not black either, per se.

Racism is an action, not a feeling. A racist acts on his or her racism. A thought can be attributed to ignorance or lack of knowledge on where Race came from. You cannot be racist by thought alone. Racism is about action. If you live in a community because you do not want to live near blacks, you are racist. If you think blacks take excess welfare, that is ignorance more than racism, but it could lead to racism. Forget that free blacks coined the term Red Neck for poor whites. A bad idea is a bad idea, not always racism. Why I now reject the loaded Tim Wise stupidity. A bad take is racism--bullshit. Did you refuse to rent to someone because of their color? That is racism. Do you vote GOP because they are the party for whites? You know what that is. Trump won because he spoke to people who felt that they were being ignored. It was not racism, but classism. Trump made them feel comfortable about their working class status. Sure, they blame blacks for bad behavior, but that is bad politics, not racism, unless they also do racist acts.

Toure Reed made a great point about Oprah. When she went to Paris to buy a 36 thousand dollar handbag. She said that the shop keeper refused to sell her the hand bag. Reed makes the point that we cared more about the supposed racism than the fact that Oprah spent that much on a damned hand bag! Amen.

Black Nationalists find a magic construct to skin color. That black skin makes you holy, while white skin makes you inferior or worse, evil. We lived in caves and cold weather made us racist. No real evidence to this bs. What is real loopy is that a white guy wrote the book they use on weather related inferiority. How do you describe all the tribal violence in Africa? According to scientist Brian Ferguson, the Neanderthals were actually not war like. Living in "caves" did not make whites evil. Civilization made us war like. We used violence to fight for land and stuff like gold, diamonds.

Never forget that Africans sold slaves to europeans. They have open slave markets now in Libya. Most Americans see racism is a bad thing. Trump even denied it. If he was racist why wasn't he proud of it? Trump did do racism, but I believe he may have thought he wasn't racist.

Racism was created so that poor people would blame something else besides what rich folk are doing to them. The real enemy is the one percent. Ten Percent of both black and white wealth are over the heads of the 90 percent of both! How strange?

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jjhunsecker said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Admit you are in a bubble. You see race in everything. Read Racecraft.



I only “see race” because this country has forced me to. I wish I didn’t have to. I just want to go about my life and not be fucked with

But God , you sound more like Hannity and O’Reilly and Coulter every day
[Edited 5/1/21 13:09pm]

100% They don’t walk in your shoes/or are not part of your culture, but have this ‘slave mentality’ in which they think they have some authority to tell you ‘what’s’ good for you. falloff
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2freaky4church1 said:

You cannot see race in everything because there is no such beast. Race, the idea of it was invented by...Racists! You buy into race you buy into what racists have said. You legitimize the idea that there are special differences in humans based on skin color. They are not. Every human came from the original ancestor in Africa. Skin color is a chemical. What we are is something in us--DNA, when it comes to genes we are all much different. I have more in common with Denzel Washington possibly than with Only--lol. Africa has huge Gene differences. They also have tribes. They see themselves as tribal, not black. A person from Kenya is Kenyan, not black. A Zimbobwayan is not black either, per se.



Racism is an action, not a feeling. A racist acts on his or her racism. A thought can be attributed to ignorance or lack of knowledge on where Race came from. You cannot be racist by thought alone. Racism is about action. If you live in a community because you do not want to live near blacks, you are racist. If you think blacks take excess welfare, that is ignorance more than racism, but it could lead to racism. Forget that free blacks coined the term Red Neck for poor whites. A bad idea is a bad idea, not always racism. Why I now reject the loaded Tim Wise stupidity. A bad take is racism--bullshit. Did you refuse to rent to someone because of their color? That is racism. Do you vote GOP because they are the party for whites? You know what that is. Trump won because he spoke to people who felt that they were being ignored. It was not racism, but classism. Trump made them feel comfortable about their working class status. Sure, they blame blacks for bad behavior, but that is bad politics, not racism, unless they also do racist acts.



Toure Reed made a great point about Oprah. When she went to Paris to buy a 36 thousand dollar handbag. She said that the shop keeper refused to sell her the hand bag. Reed makes the point that we cared more about the supposed racism than the fact that Oprah spent that much on a damned hand bag! Amen.



Black Nationalists find a magic construct to skin color. That black skin makes you holy, while white skin makes you inferior or worse, evil. We lived in caves and cold weather made us racist. No real evidence to this bs. What is real loopy is that a white guy wrote the book they use on weather related inferiority. How do you describe all the tribal violence in Africa? According to scientist Brian Ferguson, the Neanderthals were actually not war like. Living in "caves" did not make whites evil. Civilization made us war like. We used violence to fight for land and stuff like gold, diamonds.



Never forget that Africans sold slaves to europeans. They have open slave markets now in Libya. Most Americans see racism is a bad thing. Trump even denied it. If he was racist why wasn't he proud of it? Trump did do racism, but I believe he may have thought he wasn't racist.



Racism was created so that poor people would blame something else besides what rich folk are doing to them. The real enemy is the one percent. Ten Percent of both black and white wealth are over the heads of the 90 percent of both! How strange?



Where did you cut and paste this nonsense from?
Because this is more than you’ve written in the past 3 years combined
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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:



I only “see race” because this country has forced me to. I wish I didn’t have to. I just want to go about my life and not be fucked with

But God , you sound more like Hannity and O’Reilly and Coulter every day
[Edited 5/1/21 13:09pm]

100% They don’t walk in your shoes/or are not part of your culture, but have this ‘slave mentality’ in which they think they have some authority to tell you ‘what’s’ good for you. falloff


Exactly! What I have been stressing is that EVERYONE should be seen and judged as individuals...
But it’s both bigots and self appointed “helpers “ who, ironically, both trying to deny Black and other minority people their individuality and try to force them into a box
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Reply #11 posted 05/01/21 3:08pm

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Joe Biden's living in fantasy land.

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Reply #12 posted 05/01/21 3:59pm

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Freaky, make up your mind.

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Is Biden wrong because he is underestimating the amount of racism or is racism nothing but a creation of the 1%?

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If the 1% are the true enemies, why are you obsessed with attacking the middle class and the moderates whilst seeking to find ways to justify your intentional ignorance?

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When everyone else has been talking about acts of racism, who has been dismissing racism as just a feeling that hides another cause of inequality and inequity?

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2freaky4church1 said:

JJ, 2Elijah, you off the train now? lol



I don't even agree with Biden. Lotsa racism.


Here you go again. When are you going to get off that slave mentality train, generalizing every Black person that disagrees with you?

Biden is not our father. He happens to be the current President, for all Americans. whether they voted for him or not. But I bet you think that just because many Black Americans voted for him, that we wouldn’t disagree with some of his statements or policies. Seems you just can’t get through your day without obsessing over Oh golly gee wow!! What are Black people thinking/doing today?’

If you don’t agree with me or JJ regarding discussions on race, you’re not forced to read it or agree, because we don’t have to apologize nor require your validation to speak about it.
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From my experience, I agree with this statement by Biden. Most Americans I've met aren't racist.

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I find this a very strange statement. It makes it sound as if racism is the norm and not being racist is something that needs to be emphasized. It's a bit like saying, most muslims aren't terrorisis.
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I voted for Biden, but don’t agree with his statement, because where is his stats with the evidence. He doesn’t walk in the shoes of those who have/do experience it from many, so how would he know? He needs to have a sit down with those from specific communities who know what that experience of dealing with racism on
a daily basis is. Just because one doesn’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Seems it’s easier to deny a problem rather than acknowledge its existence or make an effort to fix it.
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From my experience, I agree with this statement by Biden. Most Americans I've met aren't racist.


The ones you met doesn’t validate the ones you didn’t meet, who ‘are’ out there.
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jjhunsecker said:

2freaky4church1 said:

You cannot see race in everything because there is no such beast. Race, the idea of it was invented by...Racists! You buy into race you buy into what racists have said. You legitimize the idea that there are special differences in humans based on skin color. They are not. Every human came from the original ancestor in Africa. Skin color is a chemical. What we are is something in us--DNA, when it comes to genes we are all much different. I have more in common with Denzel Washington possibly than with Only--lol. Africa has huge Gene differences. They also have tribes. They see themselves as tribal, not black. A person from Kenya is Kenyan, not black. A Zimbobwayan is not black either, per se.



Racism is an action, not a feeling. A racist acts on his or her racism. A thought can be attributed to ignorance or lack of knowledge on where Race came from. You cannot be racist by thought alone. Racism is about action. If you live in a community because you do not want to live near blacks, you are racist. If you think blacks take excess welfare, that is ignorance more than racism, but it could lead to racism. Forget that free blacks coined the term Red Neck for poor whites. A bad idea is a bad idea, not always racism. Why I now reject the loaded Tim Wise stupidity. A bad take is racism--bullshit. Did you refuse to rent to someone because of their color? That is racism. Do you vote GOP because they are the party for whites? You know what that is. Trump won because he spoke to people who felt that they were being ignored. It was not racism, but classism. Trump made them feel comfortable about their working class status. Sure, they blame blacks for bad behavior, but that is bad politics, not racism, unless they also do racist acts.



Toure Reed made a great point about Oprah. When she went to Paris to buy a 36 thousand dollar handbag. She said that the shop keeper refused to sell her the hand bag. Reed makes the point that we cared more about the supposed racism than the fact that Oprah spent that much on a damned hand bag! Amen.



Black Nationalists find a magic construct to skin color. That black skin makes you holy, while white skin makes you inferior or worse, evil. We lived in caves and cold weather made us racist. No real evidence to this bs. What is real loopy is that a white guy wrote the book they use on weather related inferiority. How do you describe all the tribal violence in Africa? According to scientist Brian Ferguson, the Neanderthals were actually not war like. Living in "caves" did not make whites evil. Civilization made us war like. We used violence to fight for land and stuff like gold, diamonds.



Never forget that Africans sold slaves to europeans. They have open slave markets now in Libya. Most Americans see racism is a bad thing. Trump even denied it. If he was racist why wasn't he proud of it? Trump did do racism, but I believe he may have thought he wasn't racist.



Racism was created so that poor people would blame something else besides what rich folk are doing to them. The real enemy is the one percent. Ten Percent of both black and white wealth are over the heads of the 90 percent of both! How strange?



Where did you cut and paste this nonsense from?
Because this is more than you’ve written in the past 3 years combined



Let me say just say this.. coffee couch Whenever you hear these ‘self-proclaimed preachers of racism-is-not-real-in-America bullsh*ters’ accuse you of reading ‘race’ into everything, what they’re doing is just using a denial tactic to deflect from acknowledging that the racial bias you experienced, isn’t real but instead, was just your imagination, just to comfort their own self-imposed guilt they blame you for, because by you exposing America’s system of racism, makes their conscience uncomfortable and forces them to face the reality of America’s ugly history and present day racism.

You see it’s always easier for them to find excuses to sweep racism under the rug, because they think by doing that, it would just make us shut the f**k up and not talk about it.
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2elijah said:


100% They don’t walk in your shoes/or are not part of your culture, but have this ‘slave mentality’ in which they think they have some authority to tell you ‘what’s’ good for you. falloff


Exactly! What I have been stressing is that EVERYONE should be seen and judged as individuals...
But it’s both bigots and self appointed “helpers “ who, ironically, both trying to deny Black and other minority people their individuality and try to force them into a box

Yep, I find it odd that when some Black Americans discuss the racial bias that exists in America, how come some folks lose their sh*t over it? There are some that freak the hell out, as though racism in America has been a damn secret. Lol.

It’s mind-boggling because this country was built on a system of racism, (all documented proof), that’s not a lie, and all many of us today are doing is saying we’re not standing for those injustices, like our recent ancestors had to go through, nor will we allow those with racial bias/attitudes/behavior to disrespect our human value, deny us opportunities on the basis of our race, like what happened in the past. So why in the hell do people get haywire over those standing up against that type of injustice? Makes no damn sense. Smh.
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Reply #20 posted 05/02/21 7:04am

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2elijah said:

toejam said:

From my experience, I agree with this statement by Biden. Most Americans I've met aren't racist.

The ones you met doesn’t validate the ones you didn’t meet, who ‘are’ out there. [Edited 5/2/21 5:44am]

Exactly....plus, the "ones you meet" aren't going to tell you how they really feel deep down.

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:



Exactly! What I have been stressing is that EVERYONE should be seen and judged as individuals...
But it’s both bigots and self appointed “helpers “ who, ironically, both trying to deny Black and other minority people their individuality and try to force them into a box

Yep, I find it odd that when some Black Americans discuss the racial bias that exists in America, how come some folks lose their sh*t over it? There are some that freak the hell out, as though racism in America has been a damn secret. Lol.

It’s mind-boggling because this country was built on a system of racism, (all documented proof), that’s not a lie, and all many of us today are doing is saying we’re not standing for those injustices, like our recent ancestors had to go through, nor will we allow those with racial bias/attitudes/behavior to disrespect our human value, deny us opportunities on the basis of our race, like what happened in the past. So why in the hell do people get haywire over those standing up against that type of injustice? Makes no damn sense. Smh.
[Edited 5/2/21 6:48am]


So so true...
I don’t understand why there is such pushback from those outside the community, but I suspect you hit the nail on the head
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2elijah said:
Yep, I find it odd that when some Black Americans discuss the racial bias that exists in America, how come some folks lose their sh*t over it? There are some that freak the hell out, as though racism in America has been a damn secret. Lol. It’s mind-boggling because this country was built on a system of racism, (all documented proof), that’s not a lie, and all many of us today are doing is saying we’re not standing for those injustices, like our recent ancestors had to go through, nor will we allow those with racial bias/attitudes/behavior to disrespect our human value, deny us opportunities on the basis of our race, like what happened in the past. So why in the hell do people get haywire over those standing up against that type of injustice? Makes no damn sense. Smh. [Edited 5/2/21 6:48am]
So so true... I don’t understand why there is such pushback from those outside the community, but I suspect you hit the nail on the head

same reason some within a given community expect...or demand a united front or at the very least compliance by silence... otherwise they are attacked from within.

I have seen 100s of cases were a member of a given group will use identity slurs to attack member of their own identity for nothing more than voicing their disagreement. There are many that can not accept that the conclusion that they have drawn based on, among other things, indoctrination, having been shamed into agreement, limited experience, or pure arrogance-- it is hard to see how that is any better than any other form of identity based bigotry.

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yeah reading an intellectually challenging and thought provoking post that challenges your pre-conceived notions and deep rooted paradigms and perhaps own personal bigotry is difficult.


one thing i was able to do through deep self introspecting and self actualizing was come to terms with the fact that many of my beliefs are untrue or based on false premises. I see how even as flawed as its basic foundations are the BLM movement is legitimate.

I also agree that the mostly unseen and unnoticed white privilege is almost inescapable certainty. (as is the privilege that comes living in a developed nation--something that some who have benefited from the same can not bring themselves to admit--while others believe that having been victimised negates any such benefits.)



I do not think it is too much ask of anyone to reflect on their own privilege and their own system of beliefs that lend themselves to bigotry.

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Again: I am not just talking about the evils of racism that is a thing... but about all forms of bigotry that are expressed or allowed to go unchallenged--from both within a group or from outside.

I hold firm that a white person can not be a victim of racism but do often benefit from it--which is an element of white privilege. (even when it is not at the expense of any individual the system had been in place for so long that its affects are very much in play).


A person of color (or any disenfranchised or under represented group) can be bigoted and such bigotry can have a similar short term impact on the lives of its targets--both direct and indirect.

The person who loses his job or an opportunity due to identity politics is still hurt... even if such events are relatively less impactful on the long run. (and this is not even getting into the 'poor me' false conclusion that they did not get the opportunity due to a person getting preferential consideration.


in other words: the issue crosses all idinity lines and is much much more than 'white people are racist.'

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the P&R forum has become nothing more than a safe haven for the racist whites and self hating blacks & self hating biracials who masquerade as Prince fans, to put on their white sheets and white hoods, and spew their White Supremacists views and anti-"black" rhetoric.
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RJOrion said:

the P&R forum has become nothing more than a safe haven for the racist whites and self hating blacks & self hating biracials who masquerade as Prince fans, to put on their white sheets and white hoods, and spew their White Supremacists views and anti-"black" rhetoric.



If you are going to make such liablous posts at the very least be beave enough to name names and back it up.
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2elijah said:


Yep, I find it odd that when some Black Americans discuss the racial bias that exists in America, how come some folks lose their sh*t over it? There are some that freak the hell out, as though racism in America has been a damn secret. Lol.

It’s mind-boggling because this country was built on a system of racism, (all documented proof), that’s not a lie, and all many of us today are doing is saying we’re not standing for those injustices, like our recent ancestors had to go through, nor will we allow those with racial bias/attitudes/behavior to disrespect our human value, deny us opportunities on the basis of our race, like what happened in the past. So why in the hell do people get haywire over those standing up against that type of injustice? Makes no damn sense. Smh.
[Edited 5/2/21 6:48am]


So so true...
I don’t understand why there is such pushback from those outside the community, but I suspect you hit the nail on the head

They don’t want to admit this country is built on a system of racism, when all the documented proof exists, and nothing will change until it gets the f**ck out of America’s institutions. They clean that sh*t up and there’s a possibility America could move forward, but when you have the still existing Trump mentality folks, and ‘many’ members of the GOP working overtime to suppress voting rights, and suddenly impose voting restrictions when the demographics change, then no way in hell is this country out of the racism game.
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I don't care about what jj "feels." If I say I feel that aliens abduct white men I'm rightly odd. As Hume said, you must reign in the passions with reason.

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Jane Elliott said racism is ignorance. That is rightly true, common sense. The reason her subjects get so bent out of shape is because they think disrespect because of eye color is wrong--proof they think racism is wrong. Blacks are used to the treatment so they don't freak out. It is obvious that a well dressed black man will get jacked by police before a white man in jeans. But, white men in jeans are more likely to get hassled on average than well dressed black men. jj is giving minor cases. I have yet to see a fact. Just hyper-feeling. Victimhood in fact. One area the right is correct on.

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Back in the day you would see signs with "No dogs, no Irish" in store windows. Aren't the Irish white? How about how we treated Germans in the 20s? Swedes, Italians, to the point they moved to segregated enclaves. Racism replaced ethic bigotry, which still exists, but in private more. Rich whites did that. We certainly hate the Russians now. Are they in fact white? No. There is no white.

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We now support Israel, mainly because they are European Jews. Racism exists, but class is the way to deal with much of it.

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There are 500 thousand whites in prison. How odd, since prisons are only about race.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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