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Rick Santorum receives backlash after saying 'there isn't much Native American culture in American culture'

What an idiot. Is he out of his mind? How disrespectful of him. There were many Native American groups living on this land, long before any Europeans immigrants came here from another country. He basically dismissed their existence and history in this country. Smh.

https://www.usatoday.com/...384340002/



“CNN political commentator Rick Santorum is in hot water after making comments about Native American culture and the lack of it in America.

Last week, Santorum gave a speech about “birthing a nation from nothing” at the Standing Up For Faith & Freedom Conference for the Young America's Foundation, a conservative youth organization. A video clip from his address went viral.

We came here and created a blank slate. We birthed a nation from nothing. I mean, there was nothing here. I mean, yes we have Native Americans but candidly there isn't much Native American culture in American culture," the former Pennsylvania senator said. disbelief

“It was born of the people who came here pursuing religious liberty, to practice their faith, live as they ought to live, and have the freedom to do so.”

In a statement to USA TODAY, former Sen. Santorum said, “I had no intention of minimizing or in any way devaluing Native American culture.”

Responses to the clip varied from diving deeper into why Native American culture is missing to calls for CNN to terminate him.“
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This is pure White Supremacist horse shit. To people like Santorum, the Native Americans were just a bunch of childish savages who had to be tamed and civilized by the white settlers, or had to be killed in the name of “progress”

How revolting
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jjhunsecker said:

This is pure White Supremacist horse shit. To people like Santorum, the Native Americans were just a bunch of childish savages who had to be tamed and civilized by the white settlers, or had to be killed in the name of “progress”

How revolting

I find it ironic that he says ‘they’ came here for religious freedom, yet many of those European immigrants, (not all, but those who were actually involved in the crimes) committed genocide against the Native Americans. How do you just dismiss an entire peoples’ existence/culture/history like that, and devalue the culture of their living descendants today? Smh.
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Reply #3 posted 04/26/21 8:24pm

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So what are the great Indian contributions to American culture? I'm seeing alot of fake outrage but not many examples.
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jjhunsecker said:

This is pure White Supremacist horse shit. To people like Santorum, the Native Americans were just a bunch of childish savages who had to be tamed and civilized by the white settlers, or had to be killed in the name of “progress.” How revolting.


^^^ This is the answer!

I'm from Oklahoma, literally one of the last states to be named and incorporated. Our statehood wasn't until the 20th century. Oklahoma literally means red man. It used to just be called Indian Territory. Did Ricky poo forget about the Dakotas, Wisconsin, Minnesota - all full of Native Americans?

He's a fucking cunt.

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Reply #5 posted 04/26/21 10:51pm

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jjhunsecker said:

This is pure White Supremacist horse shit. To people like Santorum, the Native Americans were just a bunch of childish savages who had to be tamed and civilized by the white settlers, or had to be killed in the name of “progress” How revolting

I love this response on Twitter;

"Could it be there is no "Native American culture" because our government wiped it out by supplying them with smallpox-infested blankets, stripped tribes of their land, tore their families apart, Americanized their names, took their children and sent them to reeducation schools?"

I guess ol' Rick forgot about the 'Trail of Tears'. White racist scumbag who'll probably run for president in 2024.

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uPtoWnNY said:

jjhunsecker said:

This is pure White Supremacist horse shit. To people like Santorum, the Native Americans were just a bunch of childish savages who had to be tamed and civilized by the white settlers, or had to be killed in the name of “progress” How revolting

I love this response on Twitter;

"Could it be there is no "Native American culture" because our government wiped it out by supplying them with smallpox-infested blankets, stripped tribes of their land, tore their families apart, Americanized their names, took their children and sent them to reeducation schools?"

I guess ol' Rick forgot about the 'Trail of Tears'. White racist scumbag who'll probably run for president in 2024.

There's the pivot.

So Santorum is right but it's because the evil white man erased their contributions like ... ??? Well I'm sure they did alot of great things!

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uPtoWnNY said:



jjhunsecker said:


This is pure White Supremacist horse shit. To people like Santorum, the Native Americans were just a bunch of childish savages who had to be tamed and civilized by the white settlers, or had to be killed in the name of “progress” How revolting


I love this response on Twitter;



"Could it be there is no "Native American culture" because our government wiped it out by supplying them with smallpox-infested blankets, stripped tribes of their land, tore their families apart, Americanized their names, took their children and sent them to reeducation schools?"




I guess ol' Rick forgot about the 'Trail of Tears'. White racist scumbag who'll probably run for president in 2024.


Excellent response and reminder. It’s interesting how some Americans want to keep lying to themselves that this land was originated first by European immigrants, and seem to have a case of amnesia, that this was not the original home of Europeans or their European ancestors.

How many times do folks like Rick, have to be reminded that it was stolen by European immigrants, and many of them played a part in conspiring to steal the land from its original inhabitants by abuse, torture, murder, rape, slavery and disease. Why is Rick afraid to admit this ugly truth? As ugly as it is, it’s still the truth.

Do some of these idiots really think that when European immigrants stole this land, and murdered ‘many’ of the original inhabitants, that they didn’t use violence, torture, rape, poison, and slavery to steal it? Smh. That’s absolutely nothing to be proud of.
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Let’s educate the racists and dummies like Rick, on the contributions of the original ‘First Americans’ to this (their) country and around the world:


https://www.nrcs.usda.gov...024206.pdf


https://sites.google.com/...to-society

https://www.scholastic.co...ributions/

https://www.history.com/n...inventions

https://www.forbes.com/si...e482de1e73


Anyone can visit the National Museum of the American Indian. They have two locations. One in New York City snd the other in Washington, D.C. I busted the NYC one in 2016.

https://americanindian.si...e-programs
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Reply #9 posted 04/27/21 7:20am

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So...basically nothing? You know they are really stretching when they credit the "invention" of smoking plants and eating plants.

And multi-colored clothing and beaded bracelets, very popular in American culture. Why won't the evil white man give credit where credit is due? lol rolleyes

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uPtoWnNY said:



jjhunsecker said:


This is pure White Supremacist horse shit. To people like Santorum, the Native Americans were just a bunch of childish savages who had to be tamed and civilized by the white settlers, or had to be killed in the name of “progress” How revolting


I love this response on Twitter;



"Could it be there is no "Native American culture" because our government wiped it out by supplying them with smallpox-infested blankets, stripped tribes of their land, tore their families apart, Americanized their names, took their children and sent them to reeducation schools?"




I guess ol' Rick forgot about the 'Trail of Tears'. White racist scumbag who'll probably run for president in 2024.



Excellent response!
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Strive said:

So...basically nothing? You know they are really stretching when they credit the "invention" of smoking plants and eating plants.



And multi-colored clothing and beaded bracelets, very popular in American culture. Why won't the evil white man give credit where credit is due? lol rolleyes



Maybe you could pick up a book and read up about it. I assume you did learn to read when you attended Howard University with Kamala Harris .... oh wait, that’s your OTHER CHARACTER
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Strive said:

So...basically nothing? You know they are really stretching when they credit the "invention" of smoking plants and eating plants.



And multi-colored clothing and beaded bracelets, very popular in American culture. Why won't the evil white man give credit where credit is due? lol rolleyes


Why don’t you do yourself a favor, by stop whining and educate yourself about the contributions of the ‘First Americans’, instead of using the thread to insult?
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jjhunsecker said:

Strive said:

So...basically nothing? You know they are really stretching when they credit the "invention" of smoking plants and eating plants.

And multi-colored clothing and beaded bracelets, very popular in American culture. Why won't the evil white man give credit where credit is due? lol rolleyes

Maybe you could pick up a book and read up about it. I assume you did learn to read when you attended Howard University with Kamala Harris .... oh wait, that’s your OTHER CHARACTER

I only have one account.

Quit pretending like everybody who disagrees with you is one person. Contact the mods and have them check my IP. It's same every time I log in.

I did read one book on First Nation Indians. They were basically normadic tribes that occasionally slaughtered each other until Europeans showed up then they (First Nation Indians) turned portions of Canada into hell on earth wastelands so they could profit off of the fur trade.

Interesting but I wouldn't say there's much First Nation culture in Canadian culture. Same as theres's no real Indian culture in American culture.


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Strive said:



jjhunsecker said:


Strive said:

So...basically nothing? You know they are really stretching when they credit the "invention" of smoking plants and eating plants.



And multi-colored clothing and beaded bracelets, very popular in American culture. Why won't the evil white man give credit where credit is due? lol rolleyes



Maybe you could pick up a book and read up about it. I assume you did learn to read when you attended Howard University with Kamala Harris .... oh wait, that’s your OTHER CHARACTER


I only have one account.



Quit pretending like everybody who disagrees with you is one person. Contact the mods and have them check my IP. It's same every time I log in.



I did read one book on First Nation Indians. They were basically normadic tribes that occasionally slaughtered each other until Europeans showed up then they (First Nation Indians) turned portions of Canada into hell on earth wastelands so they could profit off of the fur trade.

Interesting but I wouldn't say there's much First Nation culture in Canadian culture. Same as theres's no real Indian culture in American culture.


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Since you’re going there....many Europeans slaughtered many American Indians, abused and raped their women, decapitated many Native men: enslaved them, and sent those who defied/fought against European captors, were sent on ships to the Caribbean.

There’s no pride about America’s barbaric/violent history then demeaning/insulting the original inhabitants, American Indians, who were abused/and land stolen from them, because of the selfish intentions/comforts of others. The least you could do is show respect for the living descendants of American Indians, whose ancestors suffered those brutalities, because of the barbaric acts of those European immigrants who were responsible for committing those acts of violence against them.
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Reply #15 posted 04/27/21 8:04am

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2elijah said:

Since you’re going there....many Europeans slaughtered many American Indians, abused and raped their women, decapitated many Native men: enslaved them, and sent those who defied them on ships to the Caribbean. [Edited 4/27/21 8:01am]

What's that have to do with the price of tea in China?

White man bad. We get it. So what?

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Strive said:



2elijah said:


Since you’re going there....many Europeans slaughtered many American Indians, abused and raped their women, decapitated many Native men: enslaved them, and sent those who defied them on ships to the Caribbean. [Edited 4/27/21 8:01am]


What's that have to do with the price of tea in China?

White man bad. We get it. So what?


So what? So why are you on this thread if it has no value to you? You’ll be ignored from this point. Have a good day.
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Yes, fire him. clapping

https://www.thewrap.com/i...americans/

Native American Nonprofit Calls on CNN to Fire Rick Santorum: ‘Reckless and Irresponsible’


“IllumiNative, a nonprofit focused on challenging negative narratives about Native Americans, called on CNN to fire Rick Santorum on Monday after he dismissed Native culture and said there was “nothing” in the U.S. before colonizers arrived.

“Rick Santorum perpetuated a myth that whitewashes American history and attempts to erase Native peoples,” Crystal Echo Hawk, the founder and executive director of IllumiNative, said in a statement. “American history that does not include Native peoples is a lie and Rick Santorum is fueling white supremacy by erasing the history of Native peoples. CNN should not give Rick Santorum a national platform where he can spew this type of ignorance and bigotry against communities of color on air. Allowing him to spread racism and white supremacy to the American public is reckless and irresponsible.”

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The contributions of Native Americans are everywhere — our history, our land, and our culture are so important and meaningful that they were stolen by the very people who came to these shores,” she said. “Despite these attempts to erase us, we continue to thrive.”
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2elijah said:

Strive said:



jjhunsecker said:


Strive said:

So...basically nothing? You know they are really stretching when they credit the "invention" of smoking plants and eating plants.



And multi-colored clothing and beaded bracelets, very popular in American culture. Why won't the evil white man give credit where credit is due? lol rolleyes



Maybe you could pick up a book and read up about it. I assume you did learn to read when you attended Howard University with Kamala Harris .... oh wait, that’s your OTHER CHARACTER


I only have one account.



Quit pretending like everybody who disagrees with you is one person. Contact the mods and have them check my IP. It's same every time I log in.



I did read one book on First Nation Indians. They were basically normadic tribes that occasionally slaughtered each other until Europeans showed up then they (First Nation Indians) turned portions of Canada into hell on earth wastelands so they could profit off of the fur trade.

Interesting but I wouldn't say there's much First Nation culture in Canadian culture. Same as theres's no real Indian culture in American culture.


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Since you’re going there....many Europeans slaughtered many American Indians, abused and raped their women, decapitated many Native men: enslaved them, and sent those who defied/fought against European captors, were sent on ships to the Caribbean.

There’s no pride about America’s barbaric/violent history then demeaning/insulting the original inhabitants, American Indians, who were abused/and land stolen from them, because of the selfish intentions/comforts of others. The least you could do is show respect for the living descendants of American Indians, whose ancestors suffered those brutalities, because of the barbaric acts of those European immigrants who were responsible for committing those acts of violence against them.
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How is America’s treatment of the Indigenous populations that different from the Holocaust of the Jewish populations of Europe? The goal was to wipe out a people and a culture
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jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:


Since you’re going there....many Europeans slaughtered many American Indians, abused and raped their women, decapitated many Native men: enslaved them, and sent those who defied/fought against European captors, were sent on ships to the Caribbean.

There’s no pride about America’s barbaric/violent history then demeaning/insulting the original inhabitants, American Indians, who were abused/and land stolen from them, because of the selfish intentions/comforts of others. The least you could do is show respect for the living descendants of American Indians, whose ancestors suffered those brutalities, because of the barbaric acts of those European immigrants who were responsible for committing those acts of violence against them.
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How is America’s treatment of the Indigenous populations that different from the Holocaust of the Jewish populations of Europe? The goal was to wipe out a people and a culture


Exactly.
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Reply #20 posted 04/27/21 9:18am

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I wouldn't fire Santorum...I believe in total free speech. Let Rick keep talking and showing everyone what a racist moron & religious fraud he really is. You don't know how big a fool someone is until they open their mouth.

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uPtoWnNY said:

I wouldn't fire Santorum...I believe in total free speech. Let Rick keep talking and showing everyone what a racist moron & religious fraud he really is. You don't know how big a fool someone is until they open their mouth.





That’s a pretty good idea- leave him out there as a living breathing exemplar of bigotry and stupidity, particularly on his side of the fence
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jjhunsecker said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I wouldn't fire Santorum...I believe in total free speech. Let Rick keep talking and showing everyone what a racist moron & religious fraud he really is. You don't know how big a fool someone is until they open their mouth.





That’s a pretty good idea- leave him out there as a living breathing exemplar of bigotry and stupidity, particularly on his side of the fence

He’s along the lines of Hannity, Carlson, Trump, L. Graham, M. McConnell, Dobbs, Giuliani and the like, who are so afraid of the changing demographics of America.
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uPtoWnNY said:

I wouldn't fire Santorum...I believe in total free speech. Let Rick keep talking and showing everyone what a racist moron & religious fraud he really is. You don't know how big a fool someone is until they open their mouth.

That's we thought about trump too....look where that got us...

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These Pricks are proud of thier racists attitudes.

What else do they have?

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Reply #25 posted 04/27/21 11:57pm

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Is there a bigger point that the contribution of Native Americans is not celebrated enough?

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I enjoyed this response, from a Native American Journalist. An opinion piece in reference to Santorum’s assinine comments.

https://www.google.com/am...cna1265548

Rick Santorum's 'Native American culture' crack was racist. But here's why he thought it was OK.

Indigenous people's contributions have been erased from the stories white men tell about this land because acknowledging their genocide is uncomfortable.”

April 27, 2021, 7:21 PM EDTo
By Simon Moya-Smith, writer, activist and professor of new media

Rick Santorum, a former senator from Pennsylvania, spewed what has become his trademark nastiness Friday when he said during a speech that there was "nothing here" before white people stumbled on what they later renamed "America."

"We came here and created a blank slate," he said to a room of young conservatives, members of the Young America's Foundation.
But then he recanted: "We birthed a nation from nothing. I mean, there was nothing here. I mean, yes we have Native Americans, but candidly there isn't much Native American culture in American culture."

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“American history textbooks routinely — and, for men like Santorum, conveniently — leave out the deep and textured history of this continent's Indigenous peoples, as well as the details of the shocking brutality of the white men who invaded our land and claimed it for themselves. So it's no great revelation to us that their kin and/or ilk would now claim that there was "nothing here" before the white man arrived by chance and then encroached; they've been justifying their genocide that way for more than half a millennium.

If you, however, found Santorum's comments ugly and shocking, do us Indigenous folks all a favor: Stop calling that white invasion a "settlement," because it was a violent, vicious invasion. They weren't just pilgrims or homesteaders; they were invaders who fought and killed us for our lands and our homes and did so often while waving the Bible as both a reason and a justification.

But the reason people still use identifiers like "pilgrim," "settler" and "homesteader" is that racists like Santorum whitewash this country's history and consistently push deliberately ignorant nationalistic narratives.

Nationalists like Santorum would like you to believe there was "nothing here," because if there was "nothing here," then none of their ancestors did anything wrong; if there was "nothing here," then none of the people they venerate — and want you to venerate — stole anything or massacred millions of Indigenous peoples or raped Indigenous women or kidnapped and killed Indigenous children, and so on.

But white men did all those things to the Indigenous people of what you now call America. It's documented; it's all historical fact. And you can't be the greatest nation in the world when you're guilty of a genocide — which the U.S. is incontrovertibly guilty of committing against this land's first peoples.

That genocide is why, today, Indigenous peoples are the smallest racial minority in our ancestral land. It's not only because of the literal shiploads of diseases that early European invaders lugged aboard with them; it was also largely because of the racist hatred white men had (and some still have) for Natives and because of the violence they sought to carry out against us because of that hatred.”


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Being an Oklahoman, and someone with Native American in our family, I should note something about history books, as 2elijah brought up.

Growing up, we were taught very specific things about them there Indians.

There are five civilized tribes in Oklahoma (because apparently the others are uncivilized). Creek, Chocktaw, Cherokee, Seminole, and Chickasaw.

We knew nothing about why the Trail of Tears existed, other than Indians moved from one place to another (that new place being Oklahoma, which was still called Indian Territory and didn't have a proper state name; it was a virtual penal colony of sorts).

We were never told it was white men who pushed Indians off their own land in Florida and Georgia, and were forced west to Oklahoma.

That's mostly it.

I recently read Killer of the Flower Moon, a new book which details the Reign of Terror in the 20s and 30s. Native Americans were rich in Oklahoma because they had land with oil under it, and they leased it out, to great profits. However, local law dictated that Indians, if found unstable, had to have an overseer of their money, which was often a white person. No person could spend their own money without going through their overseer. However, the white people in charge of overseeing became greedy, and found ways to kill the Native Americans. Why? Because if one of them died, the overseerer inherited the money if there were no relatives. But what if there werer relatives? Well, they suddenly died, too. People were literally blown up in their homes while sleeping, poisoned or otherwise offed in mysterious fashion. One man, Ernest Burkhart and his brother Bryan (Byron) were two prime suspects, as both were married to Indian women, and were eventually found to be co-conspirators with Jim Hale, a local business man who was - for all intents and purposes - a mob boss. Both stood to inherit huge sums of cash by their Indian subordinates dying.

The whole Reign of Terror is what birthed the FBI as we know it today. J. Edgar Hoover's rise to the top and his overseeing of the investigation is part of the book and incredibly fascinating to read in how it ties into the Reign of Terror.

We were never told anything about this in school. Nothing, not one bit. It was totally erased in history books. I recently talked to a friend who recommended the book, and she was just as shocked by the lack of teaching.

It's people like Santorum who perpetuate a constant erasing of Native American history in this country. And for him to be from Minnesota, where there is a vast and sweeping Native American community, culture, reservation, etc, is just plain obtuse.

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Israel says the same thing about Arabs.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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2freaky4church1 said:

Israel says the same thing about Arabs.

Yep, colonialism isn't just an American concept.

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