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Reply #210 posted 05/22/21 11:19am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Note they duck every fact.



What “facts “ have you provided that anyone has “ducked “ ?
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Reply #211 posted 05/22/21 4:32pm

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Note they duck every fact.

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Where was your reply to me pointing out that you posted an article about a study that showed racism in police stopping cars. You ducked the facts in your article.

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You ducked the fact that there can be systemic racism in policing despite the fact that police shoot other people (at a very significantly lower rate than the prime targeted race). There is no measure of racism that says all people shot by the Police MUST be from one race before racism can be said to exist.

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You ducked the fact that you said all your sources are Black scholars but the source you most praised here was George Fredrickson.

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When you tried to dismiss the impact of history, you ducked the fact that history of different people within a society and the interplay between these different people affects current economic, legal and institutional structures, beliefs and attitudes so that the privileged race, ethnic group or class continues to benefit. You ducked that the way the society acts and the economic and psychological impacts of this continue long after the end of the slavery era.

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Reply #212 posted 05/23/21 4:58pm

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You never replied to any fact Adolph Reed said. He is a careful scholar.

I already said police mostly patrol poor areas. Many black drivers in those areas. Also, poor people tend to have older cars. With bad tail lights, lack of licence plates, tags, which are not cheap. People drive without them because they have to go to work.

Group solidarity is the key to race.

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Reply #213 posted 05/23/21 7:13pm

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You never replied to any fact Adolph Reed said. He is a careful scholar.

I already said police mostly patrol poor areas. Many black drivers in those areas. Also, poor people tend to have older cars. With bad tail lights, lack of licence plates, tags, which are not cheap. People drive without them because they have to go to work.

Group solidarity is the key to race.

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Look back - You NEVER put any fact from Adolph Reed in this thread. He may be careful but you are not.

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You ducked my response to you on the myth that it is just because more black people drive in poorer areas. You ducked that your report stated that the disparity is across the board regardless of area. You ducked that the disparity drops as soon as the police cannot identify the race of the driver and this is a statistically significant drop that is again regardless of area.

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Group solidarity is the key - To end racism we all need to group together and address the issues for all people that are targeted or disadvantaged by racism - not divide people by whether they are in or out of the classes you ideologically favour.

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Reply #214 posted 05/24/21 4:05am

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2freaky4church1 said:

You never replied to any fact Adolph Reed said. He is a careful scholar.



I already said police mostly patrol poor areas. Many black drivers in those areas. Also, poor people tend to have older cars. With bad tail lights, lack of licence plates, tags, which are not cheap. People drive without them because they have to go to work.



Group solidarity is the key to race.


What a bunch of bullshit. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. So you think Black drivers are pulled over/racially profiled by police only in ‘poor areas?’

You just condoned your own ‘loaded’, stereotyped view of Black Americans. But some of us here already figured that out about you anyway.
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Reply #215 posted 05/24/21 4:19am

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jjhunsecker said:

2freaky4church1 said:

If cops were just racist they would kill zero others.



That’s a totally illogical statement

He really doesn’t get out much does he? He literally dismissed all those documented, racial profiling experiences of many Black and Brown Americans, who have encountered bad/racist police. That means he also dismissed the documented accounts of ‘good police’ officers, who left their jobs, because they caught hell from other officers, for breaking ‘the blue wall of silence’ to expose the bad/racist cops who they’ve worked with, and so he’s basically calling them liars too.

Now he’s trying to pull the usual ‘oh you must hate cops if you’re exposing the bad/racist ones’.[/i] Smh.

I guess 2freak is still angry because Chauvin got convicted for killing ‘a Black man’.
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Reply #216 posted 05/24/21 7:13am

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Bubble

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Reply #217 posted 05/24/21 8:17am

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Bubble


Ok Hannity/Tucker/Bannon/Trump of the Org, who wants to keep all Blacks in your ‘Bubble of BS’. Be honest, that you only created this thread, because you were angry, (especially towards those in the Black community) that many were happy Chauvin got convicted for killing George Floyd.
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Reply #218 posted 05/24/21 9:26am

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2elijah said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Bubble


Ok Hannity/Tucker/Bannon/Trump of the Org. Who wants to keep all Blacks in your ‘Bubble of BS’. Be honest, that you only created this thread, because you were angry, (especially towards those in the Black community) that many were happy Chauvin got convicted for killing George Floyd.
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He’s left the sphere of reality and logic
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Reply #219 posted 05/24/21 12:07pm

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Bubble

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Troll

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Reply #220 posted 05/25/21 7:30am

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Hannity: racism does not exist

Tucker: racism does not exist

Bannon: I hate blacks.

2freaky, racism is a big deal, class is a big deal.

hmm.

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Reply #221 posted 05/25/21 7:31am

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Watch this: 2Elijah, thoughts on Bernie Sanders?

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Reply #222 posted 05/25/21 9:10am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Hannity: racism does not exist



Tucker: racism does not exist



Bannon: I hate blacks.



2freaky, racism is a big deal, class is a big deal.



hmm.


Actually you have the same beliefs about racism in America as Tucker, Bannon and Trump. Nobody is falling for your fake bs. You already proved who you really are when you tried to downplay Chauvin being held accountable for murdering George Floyd.
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Reply #223 posted 05/25/21 10:40am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Hannity: racism does not exist

Tucker: racism does not exist

Bannon: I hate blacks.

2freaky, racism is a big deal, class is a big deal.

hmm.

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But you have been dismissing racism as not being big deal, just a sympton of classism that should be forgotten because people today are not slaves, not exclusively the ones killed by police etc.

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So, why all the threads to downplay racism as a nothing but thin veneer over classism?

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Why the constant call to ignore racism unless it can be used to push your class war agenda?

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Why all the spin to make out that racism is just as a result of people being poor? Eg It is merely because they live in poor areas that they are stopped more by the police more, despite what the report you linked us to actually showed.

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Why the ducking of any response that points to racism being a race issue across all classes?

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Why the cancelling of other people's opinions as scary bubble talk?

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Think about your response: You mentioned nothing about what Hannity thinks about "class", nothing about what Tucker thinks about "class" and nothing about what Bannon thinks about "class" because this is about racism instead. But in regards to your own thoughts, you could not say anything about racism without bringing up "class". Hmm.

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Reply #224 posted 05/28/21 6:06pm

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2elijah said:

2freaky4church1 said:

You never replied to any fact Adolph Reed said. He is a careful scholar.

I already said police mostly patrol poor areas. Many black drivers in those areas. Also, poor people tend to have older cars. With bad tail lights, lack of licence plates, tags, which are not cheap. People drive without them because they have to go to work.

Group solidarity is the key to race.

What a bunch of bullshit. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. So you think Black drivers are pulled over/racially profiled by police only in ‘poor areas?’ You just condoned your own ‘loaded’, stereotyped view of Black Americans. But some of us here already figured that out about you anyway. [Edited 5/24/21 4:08am]

What an idiot! There are just as many black people who drive nice cars who get pulled over as those in older cars for "broken tail light" situations. This guy is ridiculous. He knows racism better than the rest of us. The irony.

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Reply #225 posted 05/28/21 6:10pm

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:
That’s a totally illogical statement
He really doesn’t get out much does he? He literally dismissed all those documented, racial profiling experiences of many Black and Brown Americans, who have encountered bad/racist police. That means he also dismissed the documented accounts of ‘good police’ officers, who left their jobs, because they caught hell from other officers, for breaking ‘the blue wall of silence’ to expose the bad/racist cops who they’ve worked with, and so he’s basically calling them liars too. Now he’s trying to pull the usual ‘oh you must hate cops if you’re exposing the bad/racist ones’.[/i] Smh. I guess 2freak is still angry because Chauvin got convicted for killing ‘a Black man’. [Edited 5/24/21 9:23am]

The counterpunch of the right since Chauvin's conviction have been intense. Repressive laws, faux outrage by racists claiming that "they" are under attack, The nerve of having a 400 year head start and one cop going to prison makes them feel under attack. Ridiculous.

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Reply #226 posted 05/29/21 7:53am

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You forget Jussie.

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Reply #227 posted 05/29/21 10:10am

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SeventeenDayze said:



2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:
That’s a totally illogical statement

He really doesn’t get out much does he? He literally dismissed all those documented, racial profiling experiences of many Black and Brown Americans, who have encountered bad/racist police. That means he also dismissed the documented accounts of ‘good police’ officers, who left their jobs, because they caught hell from other officers, for breaking ‘the blue wall of silence’ to expose the bad/racist cops who they’ve worked with, and so he’s basically calling them liars too. Now he’s trying to pull the usual ‘oh you must hate cops if you’re exposing the bad/racist ones’.[/i] Smh. I guess 2freak is still angry because Chauvin got convicted for killing ‘a Black man’. [Edited 5/24/21 9:23am]

The counterpunch of the right since Chauvin's conviction have been intense. Repressive laws, faux outrage by racists claiming that "they" are under attack, The nerve of having a 400 year head start and one cop going to prison makes them feel under attack. Ridiculous.


Isn’t interesting how he is so obsessed with the Black community, but ignored the tragic incident about the White 14 year old teen who murdered a 14 year old teen girl by stabbing her 114 times? Where’s his outrage towards the monster who did that? Oh he’s too busy here complaining about unfair it is, how many in the Black community are happy that the jury convicted Chauvin for killing George Floyd. That’s how you can tell 2freak is full of it.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/...index.html
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Reply #228 posted 05/30/21 5:38am

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Odd that I say you missed Tony Timpa and you post this? A random, tragic crime. hm

I'm not obsessed with any body, as a Christian I care about marginal groups of all colors. You should try that. As Obama put more black men into prison. Awul blind spots.

Bubble needs to pop, not popcorn.

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Reply #229 posted 05/30/21 10:15am

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Odd that I say you missed Tony Timpa and you post this? A random, tragic crime. hm



I'm not obsessed with any body, as a Christian I care about marginal groups of all colors. You should try that. As Obama put more black men into prison. Awul blind spots.



Bubble needs to pop, not popcorn.


You’re full of shit. You posted that Tony Timpa story, because you were pissed off that many in the Black community was happy Chauvin got convicted. You made false accusations against Black orgers here, slandering especially me and JJ, because we called you out on your bs, because you intentionally and disrespectfully used a White person’s tragedy to compare, dismiss, and downplay a Black man’s death by a sick cop, to basically state the White victim’s life was more valuable than Floyd’s, and basically telling the Black community they have no right to show any empathy toward Floyd’s death. How f***ing dare you.

It’s an insult to Timpa’s tragic death for you to use his death to put value over another human being’s life or tragic death. Do you using his tragedy isn’t coming from a genuine place. Blame yourself for stooping that low to condemn a community, who for years had to fight racial injustices, where it is rare that any cop is charged for the murder of one in our community. So you damn right we have a right to be happy that finally, a jury did the right thing and convicted a cop who intentionally, in front of America’s eyes, cold-bloodedly murdered an unarmed, Black man who was no threat to him. Stop using someone else’s tragedy to push your racist agenda, and condemn my community for our right to express our views. We are not slaves, we are human beings that don’t need your permission to exist or express our views.

My posting of that link is to question why are you so obsessed with everything in the Black community, trying to dictate to members of the Black community, how they should think, act, talk, walk and breathe. Yet you complain the media doesn’t talk about deaths of members of your community, but had you pay more attention, you would know that they do.
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Reply #230 posted 05/30/21 11:40am

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SeventeenDayze said:



2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:
That’s a totally illogical statement

He really doesn’t get out much does he? He literally dismissed all those documented, racial profiling experiences of many Black and Brown Americans, who have encountered bad/racist police. That means he also dismissed the documented accounts of ‘good police’ officers, who left their jobs, because they caught hell from other officers, for breaking ‘the blue wall of silence’ to expose the bad/racist cops who they’ve worked with, and so he’s basically calling them liars too. Now he’s trying to pull the usual ‘oh you must hate cops if you’re exposing the bad/racist ones’.[/i] Smh. I guess 2freak is still angry because Chauvin got convicted for killing ‘a Black man’. [Edited 5/24/21 9:23am]

The counterpunch of the right since Chauvin's conviction have been intense. Repressive laws, faux outrage by racists claiming that "they" are under attack, The nerve of having a 400 year head start and one cop going to prison makes them feel under attack. Ridiculous.



I bet he would call these survivors liars, will say the massacre wasn't race-related, and that these survivors are just playing victim, and that they have no right to tell their experience.

https://www.today.com/new...ut-t219813
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Reply #231 posted 05/30/21 12:36pm

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2elijah said:

SeventeenDayze said:

The counterpunch of the right since Chauvin's conviction have been intense. Repressive laws, faux outrage by racists claiming that "they" are under attack, The nerve of having a 400 year head start and one cop going to prison makes them feel under attack. Ridiculous.

I bet he would call these survivors liars, will say the massacre wasn't race-related, and that these survivors are just playing victim, and that they have no right to tell their experience. https://www.today.com/new...ut-t219813 [Edited 5/30/21 11:44am]

I've had people tell me slavery is a thing of the past but then when it comes to their own history then somehow that rule doesn't apply and their history "matters". People are forced to learn about the Mayflower and Boston Tea Party but that's "history" but talking about slavery seems to not be as important....

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Reply #232 posted 05/31/21 5:41am

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I posted this because the media only talked about Floyd, never talking about other victims, of either so-called race. There was only rare talk about Breonna Taylor; they didn't say her name. My main theme is to talk about police brutality, not just with blacks, even though they undergo more abuse. Different reasons other than just racism.

My aim is to have less racists. You do that by being fair. If whites see police shoot them too they may become more sympathetic. They will stop implying, like they do, "they just want to be victims."

Universal programs will bring us together. Or do you all want that?

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Reply #233 posted 05/31/21 12:14pm

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Please explain how “universal programs” will bring us all together? How will that eliminate the psychological need for many White people (and others, sadly, to be honest) to find someone to think that they are better than and superior to ? To eliminate the need to scapegoat other people for their problems? To stereotype the “other “?

The reason George Floyd got so much attention boils down to one thing; the video. Here was 9 minutes of video evidence of police murder, and there was no way for MOST people to find justification for it, or to find an excuse for what happened.
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Reply #234 posted 05/31/21 12:18pm

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SeventeenDayze said:



2elijah said:


SeventeenDayze said:


The counterpunch of the right since Chauvin's conviction have been intense. Repressive laws, faux outrage by racists claiming that "they" are under attack, The nerve of having a 400 year head start and one cop going to prison makes them feel under attack. Ridiculous.



I bet he would call these survivors liars, will say the massacre wasn't race-related, and that these survivors are just playing victim, and that they have no right to tell their experience. https://www.today.com/new...ut-t219813 [Edited 5/30/21 11:44am]

I've had people tell me slavery is a thing of the past but then when it comes to their own history then somehow that rule doesn't apply and their history "matters". People are forced to learn about the Mayflower and Boston Tea Party but that's "history" but talking about slavery seems to not be as important....



And not just slavery, but much more recent examples of racial iniquities and discrimination- such as redlining, the GI Bill, the “war on drugs “, stop and frisk policies, gerrymandering, voter suppression, profiling.... We can go on all day
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Reply #235 posted 05/31/21 5:53pm

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SeventeenDayze said:

I've had people tell me slavery is a thing of the past but then when it comes to their own history then somehow that rule doesn't apply and their history "matters". People are forced to learn about the Mayflower and Boston Tea Party but that's "history" but talking about slavery seems to not be as important....

And not just slavery, but much more recent examples of racial iniquities and discrimination- such as redlining, the GI Bill, the “war on drugs “, stop and frisk policies, gerrymandering, voter suppression, profiling.... We can go on all day

Even talking about black inventors makes people uncomfortable and downplay its. Yeah so it's "Who cares?" about elevators and traffic lights? and GPS?

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Reply #236 posted 05/31/21 5:54pm

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According to Francis Cress Welsing, whites think they are inferior. lol

What about the high suicide rate among white men?

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Reply #237 posted 05/31/21 6:06pm

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Imagine participating in a walk to raise awareness for Breast Cancer and the being assaulted by a mob who are angry and say "But what about LUNG CANCER????"

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Reply #238 posted 05/31/21 6:09pm

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Wrong, jj is saying poor blacks have it the same as rich.

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Reply #239 posted 05/31/21 7:18pm

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Wrong, jj is saying poor blacks have it the same as rich.



I’m saying that the markers of class- money, education, dress, demeanor- do not protect middle and upper class Black people from profiling by the police and other citizens, or from discrimination or racial animosity.

How difficult is that to understand?
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