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Reply #150 posted 05/09/21 4:34pm

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It's ironic that the main ones who deny race is a factor with black victims are also quick to point out the race of white victms....so race is only a factor as long as it's not black people saying it is....

A very good point Or that we must listen to certain pontificators STRICTLY because THEY are BLACK... so race matters if it’s someone that they agree with [Edited 5/9/21 16:17pm]

I think this is how it goes....Candace Owens "brilliant"....Tim Scott "brilliant"......BLM "terrorists" LOL

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Reply #151 posted 05/11/21 10:58am

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Charles Blow had a great comment the other day about how all Black people might be subject to police harassment and violence. He said : When they have a loaded gun pointed at you, you can’t pull out a resume
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Reply #152 posted 05/11/21 11:34am

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Charles Blow kinda blows.

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Reply #153 posted 05/11/21 11:35am

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Quit typecasting me.

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Reply #154 posted 05/11/21 12:21pm

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Charles Blow kinda blows.



Why ? Because he’s not a commie ?
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Reply #155 posted 05/12/21 1:57pm

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Anarchist, get it right.

The Communist party did organize in the 50s to stop Jim Crow in the south. Give them that.

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Reply #156 posted 05/12/21 2:44pm

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Anarchist, get it right.

The Communist party did organize in the 50s to stop Jim Crow in the south. Give them that.

I have no truck with extremists and fanatics on either ends of the spectrum

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Reply #157 posted 05/12/21 7:05pm

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jjhunsecker said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Anarchist, get it right.



The Communist party did organize in the 50s to stop Jim Crow in the south. Give them that.




I have no truck with extremists and fanatics on either ends of the spectrum


What’s ironic is he claims in this country it’s not about race, yet mentions the communist party fighting against Jim Crow in the South, which ‘Jim Crow laws’ were ‘race/based’ laws specifically designed to discriminate based on ‘race.’
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Reply #158 posted 05/12/21 8:12pm

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Anarchist, get it right.



The Communist party did organize in the 50s to stop Jim Crow in the south. Give them that.




I have no truck with extremists and fanatics on either ends of the spectrum


What’s ironic is he claims in this country it’s not about race, yet mentions the communist party fighting against Jim Crow in the South, which ‘Jim Crow laws’ were ‘race/based’ laws specifically designed to discriminate based on ‘race.’ :
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Well, he’s all over the place. Nothing he says is consistent
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Reply #159 posted 05/12/21 8:31pm

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:

I have no truck with extremists and fanatics on either ends of the spectrum

What’s ironic is he claims in this country it’s not about race, yet mentions the communist party fighting against Jim Crow in the South, which ‘Jim Crow laws’ were ‘race/based’ laws specifically designed to discriminate based on ‘race.’ : popcorn [Edited 5/12/21 19:06pm]

We should play Prince's version of "Just My Imagination" every time one of these folks uses that tired old phrase "it's not about race"....

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Reply #160 posted 05/12/21 8:33pm

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2elijah said:
What’s ironic is he claims in this country it’s not about race, yet mentions the communist party fighting against Jim Crow in the South, which ‘Jim Crow laws’ were ‘race/based’ laws specifically designed to discriminate based on ‘race.’ : popcorn [Edited 5/12/21 19:06pm]
Well, he’s all over the place. Nothing he says is consistent

That's a common tactic. They just throw a bunch of catchphrases and inflammatory words together to see what sticks. Cohesive and concise communication is impossible for them. Denial is their weapon of choice.

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Reply #161 posted 05/13/21 3:39am

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2elijah said:


What’s ironic is he claims in this country it’s not about race, yet mentions the communist party fighting against Jim Crow in the South, which ‘Jim Crow laws’ were ‘race/based’ laws specifically designed to discriminate based on ‘race.’ :
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Well, he’s all over the place. Nothing he says is consistent

This is true.
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Reply #162 posted 05/13/21 3:55am

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2elijah said:


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It's disturbing how many people are being racist while simultaneously pretending that it doesn't exist...unless of course there is a situation in which a black victim gets justice then suddenly there is an outcry. Derek Chauvin's lawyer said, among other things, that "race-based pressure" lead to their being an "unfair trial".....but of course they deny that race played a factor in George Floyd's death....



Unfair trial? falloff The beeyotch murdered a human being with his knee. He’s a monster. What kind of people would support someone like Chauvin?? Wtf is wrong with some folks? No wonder America is f****d up. Smh. [Edited 5/5/21 17:04pm]

Yeah Chauvin's lawyer had a laundry list of reasons but that "race based pressure" stood out to me. Just ridculous how they can deny racism on one hand but then try to weaponize race on the other hand. I avoided watching the full video of Chauvin's killing of George Floyd from the time that it happened up until the trial. When I finally saw the full video it was just heartbreaking. Even when they showed the body cams of the first officers who arrived on the scene and George Floyd was just sitting in his car and the cop had his weapon drawn and was screaming obscenities at him from the JUMP. It wasn't like he was resisting or did anything to justify that. They didn't even know his name or anything. They were already on "Level 100" and there's just no reason for that.



And the title of this thread is ridiculous "Before George Floyd there was a White victim" And before that "White Victim" there was Emmitt Till. And before them were countless others who were lynched. And before them slaves whose names will never be known. And if these folks were paying attention, they would know that people HAVE advocated on behalf of white people who are mentally ill and get mistreated by cops. I have seen countless stories of lawsuits filed and there is media coverage. But, these folks are hellbent on their schizo talking points of "race doesn't matter" but "what about the white victims?" to try to diminish the movement that has been needed since 1619....


Agree with everything you said. Nothing unfair about that trial. Thanks to the witnesses who were at the scene, and came forward on the stand, and told what they witnessed, along with the pulmonary experts that were called in as well. The jury got it right, and gave the right verdict. Guilty.

Now Chauvin has also been indicted by a jury (a few days ago), for kneeling on the neck of a 14-year old back in 2017. He also beat the victim multiple times in the head with a flashlight, while holding him by the throat. Looks like ‘kneeling-on-the-neck’ has been a long-time habit of Chauvin. And to think you have some stupid folks angry because Chauvin was found guilty/charged with George Floyd’s death. The trial was definitely fair, and Chauvin should have never been a cop period.


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Reply #163 posted 05/13/21 10:01am

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When did I say anything of the sort of what you say I said. lol

I said there is racism, and the way you deal with it is with universal programs. I have been posting racism-is-bad videos for years. Quit with this owning 2freaky sillyness. Steel man my views.

I know, I am a white devil. lol

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Reply #164 posted 05/13/21 2:10pm

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When did I say anything of the sort of what you say I said. lol

I said there is racism, and the way you deal with it is with universal programs. I have been posting racism-is-bad videos for years. Quit with this owning 2freaky sillyness. Steel man my views.

I know, I am a white devil. lol

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To which post are you replying?

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The reason you are copping flack is because of your recent posts with your comments aimed at recasting racism as a minor issue within classism. This started with your call to abandon the fight againt racism and its replacement with a class war because the liberals have taken over your territory. Hence threads like this and the call for universal programs.

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How does a universal program prevent the racial disparity in treatments by society, police, the criminal justice, education and economic systems? You need to address the critical issues with programs that work, not universal programs based on pushing a political ideology but achieve nothing.

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Posting youtubes is a waste of time. Youtube is full of highly biased, factually empty and deliberately deceptive videos. The most important thing anyone can do here is state their beliefs, thoughts and opinions. It is even a rule, a selectively ignored rule from the top down, but a rule none the less.

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To ask people to steel man your views is to admit that people can only defend them by making them look better than they really are - as in "they didn't mean what they said, they really meant this and you agree this is good, don't you?" Your views need to be able to stand on what you said, not how people can steel man them as being better than what you said.

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This could have been a thread about how people with mental health issues are also being mistreated, but from the title down it was always meant to be anti-anti-racism thread.

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Reply #165 posted 05/13/21 2:43pm

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IanRG said:



2freaky4church1 said:


When did I say anything of the sort of what you say I said. lol



I said there is racism, and the way you deal with it is with universal programs. I have been posting racism-is-bad videos for years. Quit with this owning 2freaky sillyness. Steel man my views.



I know, I am a white devil. lol



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To which post are you replying?


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The reason you are copping flack is because of your recent posts with your comments aimed at recasting racism as a minor issue within classism. This started with your call to abandon the fight againt racism and its replacement with a class war because the liberals have taken over your territory. Hence threads like this and the call for universal programs.


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How does a universal program prevent the racial disparity in treatments by society, police, the criminal justice, education and economic systems? You need to address the critical issues with programs that work, not universal programs based on pushing a political ideology but achieve nothing.


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Posting youtubes is a waste of time. Youtube is full of highly biased, factually empty and deliberately deceptive videos. The most important thing anyone can do here is state their beliefs, thoughts and opinions. It is even a rule, a selectively ignored rule from the top down, but a rule none the less.


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To ask people to steel man your views is to admit that people can only defend them by making them look better than they really are - as in "they didn't mean what they said, they really meant this and you agree this is good, don't you?" Your views need to be able to stand on what you said, not how people can steel man them as being better than what you said.


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This could have been a thread about how people with mental health issues are also being mistreated, but from the title down it was always meant to be anti-anti-racism thread.



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In the music forum he accepted someone who said that they didn’t really like hip hop / rap music of being “racist “! Hahahahaha...
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Reply #166 posted 05/14/21 12:36pm

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Nah, not a minor issue. Minor compared to Jim Crow in 50s. Racism is big. Class conflict was used by racists to help invent the social construct of race, which is not a real thing.

Even the late Dick Gregory said it is a waste of time to care about pot bellied crackers--his term. Care about major corporations, elites. There is a power dynamic.

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Reply #167 posted 05/14/21 5:03pm

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Nah, not a minor issue. Minor compared to Jim Crow in 50s. Racism is big. Class conflict was used by racists to help invent the social construct of race, which is not a real thing.

Even the late Dick Gregory said it is a waste of time to care about pot bellied crackers--his term. Care about major corporations, elites. There is a power dynamic.

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It is good that you, in the first two sentences, are backing down from your dismissal of racism as a thin veneer.

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However, you could not even last to the third.

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You are still seeking to pretend that racism is just a tool of classism. This is bullshit. It is historically wrong and is just used by people pushing their ideology, propaganda and agenda. Racism goes back to all the times a family group or tribe wanted this waterhole or food source for themselves and their's and not for those other people from the other tribe. This is long before there were classes around to create conflict by creating "race". The only difference is people in the USA recognise bigger ethnic groups, even, as you said elsewhere, the fabrication of "Hispanic" which is anything from white Spaniard or Portuguese to Indigenous South and Central Americans.

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You are stealing Gregory's quote and applying it to a different argument. It was never an argument to dismiss racism as a classist made up construct. He said “Most white folks don’t understand white supremacy. And few black folks understand it. See, I heard my mama (Lucille Gregory) say to me, if it wasn’t for these redneck, [black] hating potbelly, snuff dipping southern white crackers and one day it dawned on me, they don’t determine public policy". This is about who to target to end racism, not to dismiss racism.

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Gregory said "The most difficult thing to get people to do is to accept the obvious".

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On "crackers" he also said "We were trying to integrate the schools of Mississippi, and we took those little five-year-olds by the hand and walked them to the clean, white schoolhouse, just like the US Supreme Court had said we could. And there they were, waiting for us: the sheriff and all them cracker KKKs. And they cut us down with bats and bricks and then stomped on us. Ten feet from me I saw this five-year-old girl with her head busted open by a brick. You ain't never seen nothing in your life until you see a five-year-old kid get hit by a grown man with a brick. I'm non-violent, but I'm damned if I’ll preach non-violence to a man whose five-year-old daughter has got her head busted open by a brick". There is nothing in what he heard his mother say and his realisation about how this is allowed that argues for not fighting racism but instead to fight classism.

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Reply #168 posted 05/15/21 10:19am

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No, right now it is a thin veneer. You cannot prove it isn't. People can fall for racial talking points and not be racist.

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Reply #169 posted 05/15/21 3:56pm

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No, right now it is a thin veneer. You cannot prove it isn't. People can fall for racial talking points and not be racist.

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I have proven it is NOT a mere thin veneer. I just cannot prove to people that are being intentionally ignorant. I even used YOUR sources and their specific words on racism against your unsubstantiated assertion. If people fall for racist points so their thought, words and deeds are like a racist's, guess what, they are racist.

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You fall for classist talking points and constantly push them here. But class does not exist today outside of formal class structures such as in a caste system and in some remaining monarchical systems - even most of these have moved on. All that remains of old class systems are broad, subjective and constantly changing arbitrary socio-economic groups where the classification changes country to country. Yet, despite this almost entirely worn off thin veneer of classism, people that push for a class war remain as classists.

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Against this you have statistically significant measurable points of racism - such as the increase in the proportion of people stopped by police if the police can recognise the colour of the people in the car regardless of the city, area or value of the car. - Then the drop off in the difference if the police cannot see the race of the people in the car. This is despite the fact identified in this study YOU provided that the police find proportionally more drugs, weapons and other contraband in cars driven by white people than those driven by black people.

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Reply #170 posted 05/15/21 4:02pm

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I never said there wasn't racism. How many times must I utter this? It's just dangerous to say what is going on in someone's head. Like when some say blacks have lower IQ's. Also, oddly, Eugenics was done mostly against poor whites. How odd.

There's a good book called White Trash.

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Reply #171 posted 05/15/21 4:11pm

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I never said there wasn't racism. How many times must I utter this? It's just dangerous to say what is going on in someone's head. Like when some say blacks have lower IQ's. Also, oddly, Eugenics was done mostly against poor whites. How odd.

There's a good book called White Trash.

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If you address what is said to you you will see that I never said you said there wasn't racism. Please keep up. I am addressing your four myths:

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(1) The myth of racism being just classism,

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(2) The myth that race is just a construct of classists,

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(3) The myth of classes in 21st century open democracies as anything other than arbitrary and constantly changing subjective socio-economic groups, and

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(4) That myth that because others suffer or are disadvantaged in society, the disproportionally higher suffering and disadvantage across all socio-economic groups by race must be just a class issue.

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Reply #172 posted 05/15/21 4:28pm

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Did I ever say it was only about class? Racism is real, it is just harder to describe. Class has a lot to do with why it can become Ginned up. A Grand Dragon of the KKK was asked why he joined, he did not say because he hated blacks, he wanted to belong to something. Jihadis say similar. They want to join a great cause. Thinking you are better than someone else helps swallow the fact that your life is not going swell.

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Reply #173 posted 05/15/21 4:42pm

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Did I ever say it was only about class? Racism is real, it is just harder to describe. Class has a lot to do with why it can become Ginned up. A Grand Dragon of the KKK was asked why he joined, he did not say because he hated blacks, he wanted to belong to something. Jihadis say similar. They want to join a great cause. Thinking you are better than someone else helps swallow the fact that your life is not going swell.

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Did I ever say you said it was only about class?

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The reason you are going in circles and imagining misunderstandings is you NEVER address what is said to you.

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Racism is much easier to describe than classism in a modern, open and democratic nation.

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Your response here addresses nothing I said and it goes directly against where you argued the myhth that there is unity and solidarity between people in the same disadvantaged classes despite racial differences - the KKK relied on their "great cause" being stick it to those more disadvantaged than them. On the basis of this grossly inaccurate assumption, you argued for a class war where the poor join together to fight the 1% but, more, figth the moderates fighting to end racism.

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Reply #174 posted 05/15/21 7:28pm

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First we have members of the GOP in many states drunk with trumpism, by promoting lies as truth, and spinning the insurrectionists as ‘peaceful patriots.’ And now we have some pushing bs by trying to replace the reality of racism with classism. Smh.

And anyone who believes that members in the KKK don’t hate Blacks, is living in their own delusion. Let’s not forget racial discrimination laws were intentionally created to deny Blacks equal freedom and opportunities, based on their racial identity. Let’s also not forget segregation was about division based on racial identity, not class.
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Reply #175 posted 05/15/21 9:46pm

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First we have members of the GOP in many states drunk with trumpism, by promoting lies as truth, and spinning the insurrectionists as ‘peaceful patriots.’ And now we have some pushing bs by trying to replace the reality of racism with classism. Smh. And anyone who believes that members in the KKK don’t hate Blacks, is living in their own delusion. Let’s not forget racial discrimination laws were intentionally created to deny Blacks equal freedom and opportunities, based on their racial identity. Let’s also not forget segregation was about division based on racial identity, not class. [Edited 5/15/21 19:39pm]

Exactly. Nobody was lynched because they were poor.....the delusions. This is why it's important to monitor school curriculum because there are people itching to insert revisionist history into the narrative.

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Reply #176 posted 05/16/21 11:57am

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Whites were lynched, fail.

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Reply #177 posted 05/16/21 12:29pm

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2elijah said:


First we have members of the GOP in many states drunk with trumpism, by promoting lies as truth, and spinning the insurrectionists as ‘peaceful patriots.’ And now we have some pushing bs by trying to replace the reality of racism with classism. Smh. And anyone who believes that members in the KKK don’t hate Blacks, is living in their own delusion. Let’s not forget racial discrimination laws were intentionally created to deny Blacks equal freedom and opportunities, based on their racial identity. Let’s also not forget segregation was about division based on racial identity, not class. [Edited 5/15/21 19:39pm]

Exactly. Nobody was lynched because they were poor.....the delusions. This is why it's important to monitor school curriculum because there are people itching to insert revisionist history into the narrative.


That’s why nobody is falling for 2freak’s bs. He’s the Tucker Carlson of this forum now. He hates that many Black Americans call out the racism n this country, and nothing he says or do will stop that from happening.

Remember how he would always post threads telling Black Americans how they should think, vote for and act, as though he was telling us what ‘our’ place should be in this country? Never trusted anything he posted/posts. He’s just all about causing division in this forum and stirring up chaos. Only a person bored with their lives would do that.

Right now he’s probably searching google to find any stories about Blacks that have any kind of negativity attached to it, to fit his agenda, as though all Blacks should have the same views about everything.
Don’t fall for it.
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Reply #178 posted 05/16/21 1:16pm

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Silly. 2Elijah knows all my sources are black scholars. No right winger among them.

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Reply #179 posted 05/16/21 1:18pm

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Doesn't 2E say that Candace Owens is a bad example of a bad black person? Because she is.

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