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Reply #90 posted 05/02/21 9:42pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

2elijah said:

IanRG said: You got that right Ian, thanks, and in no way do I agree with that person who is lying. [Edited 5/2/21 19:02pm]

I did not read Ian's post... but other than putting in your name twice when I mean to include jjhunsecker ...


We agree that cops kill too many people and that black people are killed at a higher rate than other groups (not to be confused with raw numbers)

we agree that many of these cases the cop acted criminally (we need not always agree on what law was broken, and you ALL agree with me that conviction is the same as if they did what they were convicted for)

seems by my memory we agree way more than not.

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When you feel the need to lie to play your games, perhaps you should not pretend that you did not read what I said and then directly reference what I said twice.

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You and Freaky both get "confused with raw numbers":

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Freaky because he could not see past a person being Marxist when he referenced a mistake that person made.

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YOU when you said "cop kills an unarmed white person (which happens about 2X as often as any other group)".

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Only twice as often for more than 5X the population is a very significantly lower rate. YOU know this BUT you keep on trying to confuse this fact by pushing the raw data knowing the difference in the rates. If you agree with us about rates but keep on pushing the Fox and co line, you are knowingly being deceptive.

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PS. Some friendly advice: Don't trust your memery, it has let you down so many, many times here.

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Reply #91 posted 05/02/21 10:29pm

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2elijah said:

IanRG said:

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Why? The new Freaky may, but most others here clearly don't because you are so often verifiably wrong.

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Such as you and Freaky pretending that Black people being more than twice as likely to be shot by police can be ignored because there are more than 5 times as many white people so more white people by total number are shot than black people.

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There is only one 2elijah

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You got that right Ian, thanks, and in no way do I agree with that person who is lying. [Edited 5/2/21 19:02pm]

I didn't agree with him either, now that he's added me as well

Why does he even have my name in his foul fucking mouth ?

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Reply #92 posted 05/03/21 2:55am

SeventeenDayze

jjhunsecker said:

2freaky4church1 said:

As Noam Chomsky says, racism is a thin veneer. Scratch it and you find class issues or ignorance. Also, right wing media sell lots of lies, they suck up.

I say that is bullshit. I personally know Black people, with Ivy League educations, great jobs, high incomes (including literal millionaires) who have been stopped by the cops and harassed for no reason. And not by cops, but followed around in stores . Their income and education and “class “ didn’t protect them from racism. You need to find other sources of information besides Chomsky. You quote him more often than the Ayottolah quotes the Koran

Noam Chomsky has never experienced racism a day of his life and we're supposed to be impressed with "As Noam Chomsky says....." as if he is the definitive expert on race. Bullshit.

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Reply #93 posted 05/03/21 2:57am

SeventeenDayze

2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:
Actually, didn’t Candace and her family once sue a school system because she was being racially harassed by some white schoolmates, and they said that the school didn’t do enough to protect her? I bet she doesn’t tell THAT story anymore... it’s not one her current audience wants to hear. Like you said, Candace has the right to her views. And the rest of us have the right to criticize her. But in the end, she found a good “hustle “ that brings her the notoriety she apparently craves so badly.
Yes she sure did.

I saw something on Twitter saying she also stiffed one of her landlords out of six months of rent! She never talks about that because then her precious lunatic fan base would consider her to be a typical black criminal that she despises so much LOL

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Reply #94 posted 05/03/21 3:00am

SeventeenDayze

2freaky4church1 said:

You mean guys llke this:

https://www.historians.or...redrickson

The leading historian on race is ironically white. How did I know about him?? lol

I talk about race all the time. Adolph Reed, Preston Smith and Barbara Fields--all black--kicked my ass and changed my view a bit. The best way to deal with race is through social policy on wages, jobs, healthcare.

With new information I changed my mind. Wish some of you were equally enlightened.

Who decided that the white historian is the "leading expert" on race? Talk about privilege....

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Reply #95 posted 05/03/21 3:03am

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2elijah said:

IanRG said:

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So you now agree that it is not a class issue?

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Or are you just seeking to claim being more enlightened than people that have shown you where your ideological blinkered view is arguably wrong?

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I suspect the latter because there is still no recognition that reforms to address systemic racism in policing and the criminal justice system are also required - you still have what Chomsky calls an "intensional ignorance" in regard to this racism.

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What point are you laughing about in you knowing about a historian and his colour? What makes you think he is THE leading historian on race?

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I don’t get 2freak’s nonsense about ‘leading historian on race’. That doesn’t make any sense. You have to ‘go through the experience of racism’ to know it. All these deniers have no damn clue what it’s like. Why would anyone want to experience it? No one gets up in the morning wishing to be hated for their skin color. They just want to be a human being and treated decent/respected as anyone else would. If there was no system of racism no one would be raising hell about it, because it does exists, as well as unfair policing towards communities of color. Why would any intelligent person deny it, especially if they know the history of America, and how it was built, during the theft of a land, enslaving Indigenous people first as slaves, then importing people from Africa to be enslaved. While abusing/enslaving/destroying/profiting from both groups to build it. That’s part of a system of racism when you deny a specific group of people of their human rights/enslave and abuse, and use them to build for the ‘benefit of others.’ Then design laws to further extend unfair and unequal human rights, while affording those rights to a specific few, then claiming the enslaved were free.’ The problem in present-day America, is that the ‘generational slave mentality’ still exists within America’s institutions. There are people who subconsciously carry the white supremacy ideology’s, false sense of superiority, even if they don’t subscribe as a member of said hate organization, but that (false) sense of superiority is there, subconsciously, and with that they tend to treat some people of color, ‘different’ or carry ignorant assumptions of them, with ‘blind racism’ so-to-speak. Then you have those that are fully aware that they are mistreating others, based on racist, stereotyped assumptions, because they believe they have a right to do so. There’s a lot of work to do, and many in denial of America’s racism, are not being honest about it or have this belief that it’s not as bad, as those affected by it, and who are exposing it, because most of the deniers are not walking in the shoes of those whose lives it affects. It has absolutely nothing to do with ‘playing victim’ it has more to do with real-life situations that keeps problems like police brutality towards communities of color alive, racial profiling, biases in housing, employment and education, just to name a few. This is not saying one cannot go out and achieve success in this country because of their racial identity, but when you have those in positions of power who hold racial biases, towards particular groups, and could affect members of those groups’ success, (i.e., promotions, loans, mortgages, etc, ) then that’s a problem for everyone. (By the way, didn’t mean for this post to be this long, but just had to get it out there whew ) [Edited 4/30/21 4:43am]

Excellent post! Denial is the new weapon of racism in America...

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Reply #96 posted 05/03/21 3:07am

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:
Not at all... What’s wrong with bettering yourself and making a good living and providing the best for your loved ones? I’m not ashamed of my background or upbringing. In fact I am very proud of what my parents were able to achieve- despite the obstacles they faced- and the values that they instilled in me
I have to tell you how mind-boggling it is, that some put Black Americans inone box, to be all on the same, economic levels, to think alike, etc., etc. You should not have to explain or apologize for it. You wonder why some clueless folks, in 2021 are still surprised middle-class or upper-class Black Americans exist. When we’re out their marching for justice/speaking out against injustices, etc., towards members of the entire Black community, we’re from various economic backgrounds, demanding justice for all Black Americans, no matter their economic class. Why is this so hard for some to ‘get that?’ Smh. [Edited 5/1/21 14:16pm]

I've seen racist memes on Twitter of people making fun of wealthy black celebrities for speaking out against injustice. They have pictures of them with stacks of money around them and the caption was like "Yeah we're oppressed".....that's funny that rich whites are allowed to speak out about things like climate change, women's rights, etc. and nobody expects them to be silent just because they are wealthy so why are wealthy blacks expected not to speak out just because they're wealthy??

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Reply #97 posted 05/03/21 3:10am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

the fact is when a cop kills an unarmed white person (which happens about 2X as often as any other group) it is not seen as news worthy.

Where do you get this bogus stuff from???? Fox News????

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Reply #98 posted 05/03/21 3:15am

SeventeenDayze

IanRG said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Ian, I am against race politics, burn.

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Saying is not being.

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Despite your thread title, Tony was not a "White victim" to everyone not playing race politics. He was a mental health and bad policing victim.

Look at this nonsense. He claims he's against "Race politics" (whatever that means) but made it a point to say "white victim" and has been saying the media hasn't been reporting about "white victims". So which one is it? If you're against "race politics" then why mention the "white victim"???? The blatant double speak and denial is astounding.

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Reply #99 posted 05/03/21 3:22am

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2freaky4church1 said:

It's just real hard to define what racism actually is.

No it's NOT fucking hard to define racism!!! Are you shitting me?? Take a look at the past 400 years of history if you're struggling to "define" racism! Unreal.....denying racism because it makes YOU uncomfortable won't make it go away!!!!

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Reply #100 posted 05/03/21 3:25am

SeventeenDayze

2elijah said:

2freaky4church1 said:

It's just real hard to define what racism actually is.

Are you serious? This country was built on it. With all the shared experiences over the years discussed about it here, documented history, and you don’t know what racism is? Listen to the many people that described their experiences, and tactics used for years to deny equal opportunity to many.

I'm starting to think there are secret meetings and social media outlets where people exchange tips on how to dismantle the progress that's been made so this is coming out of the old "Denial playbook". Denial is being used as a weapon to discredit anti-racist movements.

What kind of fucked up mental gymnastics does one play to say that it's hard to define racism. What a fucking disgrace!

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Reply #101 posted 05/03/21 3:28am

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2elijah said:
Oh I’m sure she’s had her experiences with racism, and it’s her right to share it, but then if she feels she has a right to, then she shouldn’t attack other Black Americans for calling out racism, and speaking of their experiences with it. Her choice of political party is her own, but where’s the rules that says because she’s Black, and a Republican, that no Black American should disagree with her views or criticize her for it, when she does that all the time to Black Democrats? Give me a damn break. Lol. 2freak, try and remember that Black Americans are ‘individuals.’ [Edited 4/28/21 14:31pm]
Actually, didn’t Candace and her family once sue a school system because she was being racially harassed by some white schoolmates, and they said that the school didn’t do enough to protect her? I bet she doesn’t tell THAT story anymore... it’s not one her current audience wants to hear. Like you said, Candace has the right to her views. And the rest of us have the right to criticize her. But in the end, she found a good “hustle “ that brings her the notoriety she apparently craves so badly.

And she used the NAACP to advocate on her behalf as well....go figure.

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Reply #102 posted 05/03/21 3:30am

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2elijah said:

IanRG said:

Freaky, this is your worst post yet. Your progression to far right race politics is complete.

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This was 5 years ago and not a peep from you either - Until it was raised by far right websites to push a lack of justice for all response to George Floyd's decision.

I was wondering why he brought this case up now and compared it to George Floyd.

It's like telling a cancer patient you feel their pain because you have a papercut....

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Reply #103 posted 05/03/21 6:06am

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2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:
Not at all... What’s wrong with bettering yourself and making a good living and providing the best for your loved ones? I’m not ashamed of my background or upbringing. In fact I am very proud of what my parents were able to achieve- despite the obstacles they faced- and the values that they instilled in me

I have to tell you how mind-boggling it is, that some put Black Americans inone box, to be all on the same, economic levels, to think alike, etc., etc. You should not have to explain or apologize for it. You wonder why some clueless folks, in 2021 are still surprised middle-class or upper-class Black Americans exist. When we’re out their marching for justice/speaking out against injustices, etc., towards members of the entire Black community, we’re from various economic backgrounds, demanding justice for all Black Americans, no matter their economic class. Why is this so hard for some to ‘get that?’ Smh. [Edited 5/1/21 14:16pm]

I've seen racist memes on Twitter of people making fun of wealthy black celebrities for speaking out against injustice. They have pictures of them with stacks of money around them and the caption was like "Yeah we're oppressed".....that's funny that rich whites are allowed to speak out about things like climate change, women's rights, etc. and nobody expects them to be silent just because they are wealthy so why are wealthy blacks expected not to speak out just because they're wealthy??


Folks who make those memes about wealthy Blacks are speaking from their own ignorance, that’s why.

Remember many idiots out there said racism didn’t exist in America, (even some elected officials said it), because Obama was elected? lol

Then when someone Black won an Oscar, some, some said racial prejudice doesn’t exist in Hollywood.

Then there’s the wealthy Black celebrities who speak out against racial injustices/police brutality, and the ‘ignorants’ say, oh racial injustices/inequalities don’t exist because that Black celebrity is wealthy.


Well get this now.... during the segregation era there were also very wealthy Blacks living in wealthy, segregated Black communities throughout this country, although few, they existed. Now in the early 1900s, when those communities existed,, did oppression exists at that time? Absolutely because who were the ones who created the racist, segregation/discrimination laws, not allowing Blacks the same equal rights/freedoms of Whites in America, where White Americans were free to roam where they choose? Regardless of how wealthy those Black communities were, oppression still existed, and they were still fighting to get equal rights, because they were Americans too, so why shouldn’t they have had the same ‘full, equal rights and the same human respect’ as their White counterparts? That’s pretty much the same things Black Americans are still fighting for today.
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Reply #104 posted 05/03/21 9:59am

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SeventeenDayze said:

I've seen racist memes on Twitter of people making fun of wealthy black celebrities for speaking out against injustice. They have pictures of them with stacks of money around them and the caption was like "Yeah we're oppressed".....that's funny that rich whites are allowed to speak out about things like climate change, women's rights, etc. and nobody expects them to be silent just because they are wealthy so why are wealthy blacks expected not to speak out just because they're wealthy??

They're just a bunch of e-thugs, posting racist shit they wouldn't have the balls to say to a brotha's face (women & kids yes, but not a real man). Real easy to be racist from far away.

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Reply #105 posted 05/03/21 10:11am

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SeventeenDayze said:



I've seen racist memes on Twitter of people making fun of wealthy black celebrities for speaking out against injustice. They have pictures of them with stacks of money around them and the caption was like "Yeah we're oppressed".....that's funny that rich whites are allowed to speak out about things like climate change, women's rights, etc. and nobody expects them to be silent just because they are wealthy so why are wealthy blacks expected not to speak out just because they're wealthy??




They're just a bunch of e-thugs, posting racist shit they wouldn't have the balls to say to a brotha's face (women & kids yes, but not a real man). Real easy to be racist from far away.






There seems to be a lot of that going around.
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Reply #106 posted 05/03/21 5:41pm

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Timpa is one of many names who get zero media. I'm glad Barbara Fields went in defense of Hannah Sizer. Don't get me started with the unknown hispanic victims. Whoops.

Chomsky is Jewish--burn.

Once again, I'm against all bad isms.

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Reply #107 posted 05/03/21 6:04pm

SeventeenDayze

2freaky4church1 said:

Timpa is one of many names who get zero media. I'm glad Barbara Fields went in defense of Hannah Sizer. Don't get me started with the unknown hispanic victims. Whoops.

Chomsky is Jewish--burn.

Once again, I'm against all bad isms.

You're talking mad shit now! There was NATIONWIDE COVERAGE of Adam Toledo in Chicago and of the other Hispanic man who got killed by cops in California last week so what the entire HELL are you talking about? You think bringing up other minorities and saying "what about them?" means that we have to stop talking about police brutality that happens against black people????? Who do you think you are talking shit about black people and our social justice movements and trying to deny and discredit it? Why don't you log off this damn website and get a clue. This racist bullshit on this site has gotten out of hand. Why do you guys come to a website of a BLACK ARTIST to talk shit about black people? WHY??? So black people are good enough to entertain you but can't be taken seriously when bringing up issues of race??? Are we just court jesters in YOUR world????

This is complete horseshit.

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Reply #108 posted 05/03/21 6:49pm

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I never heard of Toledo. Never heard of Hannah till Thaddeus Russell talked about her and had Fields on board to protest her killing. BLM ignored her. They like racism, it pays the bills.

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Reply #109 posted 05/03/21 6:59pm

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SeventeenDayze said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Timpa is one of many names who get zero media. I'm glad Barbara Fields went in defense of Hannah Sizer. Don't get me started with the unknown hispanic victims. Whoops.



Chomsky is Jewish--burn.



Once again, I'm against all bad isms.



You're talking mad shit now! There was NATIONWIDE COVERAGE of Adam Toledo in Chicago and of the other Hispanic man who got killed by cops in California last week so what the entire HELL are you talking about? You think bringing up other minorities and saying "what about them?" means that we have to stop talking about police brutality that happens against black people????? Who do you think you are talking shit about black people and our social justice movements and trying to deny and discredit it? Why don't you log off this damn website and get a clue. This racist bullshit on this site has gotten out of hand. Why do you guys come to a website of a BLACK ARTIST to talk shit about black people? WHY??? So black people are good enough to entertain you but can't be taken seriously when bringing up issues of race??? Are we just court jesters in YOUR world????



This is complete horseshit.


Don’t play into his bs, best to ignore him.
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Reply #110 posted 05/03/21 8:51pm

SeventeenDayze

2elijah said:

SeventeenDayze said:

You're talking mad shit now! There was NATIONWIDE COVERAGE of Adam Toledo in Chicago and of the other Hispanic man who got killed by cops in California last week so what the entire HELL are you talking about? You think bringing up other minorities and saying "what about them?" means that we have to stop talking about police brutality that happens against black people????? Who do you think you are talking shit about black people and our social justice movements and trying to deny and discredit it? Why don't you log off this damn website and get a clue. This racist bullshit on this site has gotten out of hand. Why do you guys come to a website of a BLACK ARTIST to talk shit about black people? WHY??? So black people are good enough to entertain you but can't be taken seriously when bringing up issues of race??? Are we just court jesters in YOUR world????

This is complete horseshit.

Don’t play into his bs, best to ignore him.

Agreed. The fact that he hadn't even heard about Adam Toledo tells me everything I need to know. Trying to play the "what about the others" game and it backfired!

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Reply #111 posted 05/04/21 9:52am

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Silly.

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Reply #112 posted 05/04/21 2:32pm

IanRG

2freaky4church1 said:

Once again, I'm against all bad isms.

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You should be against "isms" , not just those you consider bad because they dont support those you push as if they are good.

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Reply #113 posted 05/04/21 6:46pm

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I'm still frazzled that being against people of all colors being shot is bad? A bullet has no honor.

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Reply #114 posted 05/04/21 6:50pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

I'm still frazzled that being against people of all colors being shot is bad? A bullet has no honor.


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Reply #115 posted 05/04/21 6:51pm

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Ian, bloke, resist the woke mob.

What really gets me is they have zero solutions. Just wallow.

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Reply #116 posted 05/04/21 7:54pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Ian, bloke, resist the woke mob.



What really gets me is they have zero solutions. Just wallow.


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No, I will resist those who seek to attack people seeking an end to systemic racism first. That there are difficulties with finding solutions is no reason to not seek and certainly no reason to dismiss racism as a prime cause of racism. What you have not demonstrated is that it is only classism.
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Reply #117 posted 05/04/21 8:02pm

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2elijah said:

SeventeenDayze said:



2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:
Not at all... What’s wrong with bettering yourself and making a good living and providing the best for your loved ones? I’m not ashamed of my background or upbringing. In fact I am very proud of what my parents were able to achieve- despite the obstacles they faced- and the values that they instilled in me

I have to tell you how mind-boggling it is, that some put Black Americans inone box, to be all on the same, economic levels, to think alike, etc., etc. You should not have to explain or apologize for it. You wonder why some clueless folks, in 2021 are still surprised middle-class or upper-class Black Americans exist. When we’re out their marching for justice/speaking out against injustices, etc., towards members of the entire Black community, we’re from various economic backgrounds, demanding justice for all Black Americans, no matter their economic class. Why is this so hard for some to ‘get that?’ Smh. [Edited 5/1/21 14:16pm]

I've seen racist memes on Twitter of people making fun of wealthy black celebrities for speaking out against injustice. They have pictures of them with stacks of money around them and the caption was like "Yeah we're oppressed".....that's funny that rich whites are allowed to speak out about things like climate change, women's rights, etc. and nobody expects them to be silent just because they are wealthy so why are wealthy blacks expected not to speak out just because they're wealthy??


Folks who make those memes about wealthy Blacks are speaking from their own ignorance, that’s why.

Remember many idiots out there said racism didn’t exist in America, (even some elected officials said it), because Obama was elected? :lol:

Then when someone Black won an Oscar, some, some said racial prejudice doesn’t exist in Hollywood.

Then there’s the wealthy Black celebrities who speak out against racial injustices/police brutality, and the ‘ignorants’ say, oh racial injustices/inequalities don’t exist because that Black celebrity is wealthy.


Well get this now.... during the segregation era there were also very wealthy Blacks living in wealthy, segregated Black communities throughout this country, although few, they existed. Now in the early 1900s, when those communities existed,, did oppression exists at that time? Absolutely because who were the ones who created the racist, segregation/discrimination laws, not allowing Blacks the same equal rights/freedoms of Whites in America, where White Americans were free to roam where they choose? Regardless of how wealthy those Black communities were, oppression still existed, and they were still fighting to get equal rights, because they were Americans too, so why shouldn’t they have had the same ‘full, equal rights and the same human respect’ as their White counterparts? That’s pretty much the same things Black Americans are still fighting for today.
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2E- PBS has a documentary about the Tulsa race massacre on 5/31
Some here should watch it, but I really don’t think they could handle such a strong dose of reality. They are comfortably numb in their mental bubbles
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Reply #118 posted 05/04/21 10:25pm

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BLM does say shit about the thousands of black lives lost by someone other than a cop - the most glaring proof of the fraud tha tis BLM.

In 2019, police shot and killed 1,003 people in the US, according to the Washington Post

Of those, 250 were black and 405 white. Police shot and killed 55 unarmed suspects, including 25 whites and 14 blacks.

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Reply #119 posted 05/04/21 11:51pm

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AMERICA1ST said:

BLM does say shit about the thousands of black lives lost by someone other than a cop - the most glaring proof of the fraud tha tis BLM.

In 2019, police shot and killed 1,003 people in the US, according to the Washington Post

Of those, 250 were black and 405 white. Police shot and killed 55 unarmed suspects, including 25 whites and 14 blacks.

So you're blaming black people for not marching and organizing regarding white people being killed by police but are also upset when black people march for other deaths. Well who is stopping white people from protesting on behalf of whites who are killed? Why are white deaths mentioned when black deaths are mentioned? And you obviousy suck at math because black people are only 13 percent of the population and the instances of police brutality against black people are more frequent!! Why can't you just admit that you hate any movement that tries to right the wrongs of centuries of inequality and be done with it. Why the hell are you on a fan site for a black man? Ridiculous.

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