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Reply #30 posted 04/05/21 5:23am

2elijah

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jjhunsecker said:

PennyPurple said:



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Interesting choice of words: "that cop" and "Mr. Floyd." Deens like you've already convicted Mr. Chauvin before the judge has said a word.

The video doesn't lie. It was full out murder. Chauvin IS guilty. Watch how that cop put more and more pressure on Mr. Floyd's neck. Watch it, and then come back and tell us it wasn't murder.





And let's hope to hell it doesn't end in a hung jury.



I still think Chauvin will get off... I would be very pleasantly surprised if he got convicted

I have this same feeling, because for years that seems to be the ‘American’ way. I’ve seen too many bad cops get away with killing Blacks, since the time I was a child. Not much has changed in those type situations since. Majority of the time a Black man kills a Black man, he’s convicted/sent to prison. So anytime someone tries to use Black-on-Black crime as a side-step to excusing bad cops, (and that has been done multiple times in this forum), they need to remember the differences between the two.
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Reply #31 posted 04/05/21 7:16am

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Lawyer says he was trained to do that then the senior dude says, no, it was not what the training was. This should be a slam dunk.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #32 posted 04/05/21 9:48am

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More news in trial.

https://www.washingtonpos...vin-trial/


Derek Chauvin trial: Emergency physician says George Floyd likely died because of oxygen deprivation


By Abigail Hauslohner, Lateshia Beachum, Keith McMillan and Holly Bailey
April 5, 2021 at 12:42 p.m. EDT

“The murder trial of Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer who knelt on George Floyd’s neck before he died, began its second week of witness testimony on Monday.

In the morning, Bradford Langenfeld, the emergency physician who tried to revive Floyd at the hospital and later pronounced him dead, said Floyd likely died because he was deprived of oxygen. Defense attorneys have been trying to establish that drugs or other causes might have been responsible.

Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo, who fired Chauvin and three other officers last summer, took the stand later in the day.”
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Reply #33 posted 04/05/21 5:45pm

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The Chief of Police- Chauvin’s boss - essentially called what he did as murder
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Reply #34 posted 04/05/21 5:48pm

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jjhunsecker said:

The Chief of Police- Chauvin’s boss - essentially called what he did as murder

Hopefully the jury will agree.
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Reply #35 posted 04/06/21 5:02pm

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On the stand today:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/...index.html

Police use-of-force instructor says Derek Chauvin's kneeling is not a trained restraint
By Eric Levenson and Aaron Cooper, CNN

Updated 5:24 PM ET, Tue April 6, 2021



(CNN)”A Minneapolis Police use-of-force training instructor testified Tuesday that Derek Chauvin's kneeling on George Floyd's neck is not a trained neck restraint tactic.

"We don't train leg-neck restraints with officers in service, and as far as I know, we never have," Lt. Johnny Mercil said.
Mercil's testimony came as a series of police experts testified to proper training, thereby explicitly and implicitly highlighting Chauvin's actions on May 25, 2020.

While neck restraints may be allowed on suspects actively resisting, they are not to be done with the knee and they would not be authorized on a suspect who is handcuffed and under control, he said. Officers are taught to only use force that is proportional to the threat.

"You want to use the least amount of force necessary to meet your goals," Mercil said. "If you can use a lower level of force to meet your objectives, it's safer and better for everyone involved."
He also testified that handcuffed suspects can have difficulty breathing on their stomachs. He said officers are trained to move suspects into a side recovery position -- "the sooner the better."

(Click on link to continue reading)
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Reply #36 posted 04/07/21 3:36pm

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so now is the persacution admitting the knee was on his sholder or back and maybe not on his neck?

I did not read that.
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Reply #37 posted 04/07/21 4:24pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

so now is the persacution admitting the knee was on his sholder or back and maybe not on his neck?

Look at the video. What do you see? The knee is on the neck.

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Reply #38 posted 04/07/21 4:37pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

so now is the persacution admitting the knee was on his sholder or back and maybe not on his neck?

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This is would have to be one of your worst posts ever.

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There is one team trying to prosecute the killer and one team trying to defend the killer by seeking to persecute the victim. This latter persacution (sic) team tried to say that knee may have spent some time just off the neck in the 9 and half minutes it took the killer to kill Floyd. The witness (on immediate cross examination by the Prosecution team after the persecution team tried to make up possibilities) stated that it was the pressure on Floyd that killed him. It does not matter that it may have been partly just below the neck, it killed him none the less, was the point that was made. This is consistent with the medical evidence and report. It is very clear from the videos that knee was mostly on the neck. It is very clear from the all the evidence so far that this was deadly and beyond what the killer was trained to do.

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Your's and America1st's common tactic of making an assertion but hiding it in a question is fooling no one.

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Reply #39 posted 04/07/21 4:47pm

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so now is the persacution admitting the knee was on his sholder or back and maybe not on his neck?

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This is would have to be one of your worst posts ever.

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There is one team trying to prosecute the killer and one team trying to defend the killer by seeking to persecute the victim. This latter persacution (sic) team tried to say that knee may have spent some time just off the neck in the 9 and half minutes it took the killer to kill Floyd. The witness (on immediate cross examination by the Prosecution tame after the persecution team tried to make up possibilities) stated that it was the pressure on Floyd that killed him. It does not matter that it was partly just below the neck, it killed him none the less, was the point that was made. This is consistent with the medical evidence and report. It is very clear from the videos that knee was mostly on the neck. It is very clear from the all the evidence so far that this was deadly and beyond what the killer was trained to do.

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Your's and America1st's common tactic of making an assertion but hiding it in a question is fooling no one.

i did nit read that

I did not read that.
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Reply #40 posted 04/07/21 4:50pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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This is would have to be one of your worst posts ever.

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There is one team trying to prosecute the killer and one team trying to defend the killer by seeking to persecute the victim. This latter persacution (sic) team tried to say that knee may have spent some time just off the neck in the 9 and half minutes it took the killer to kill Floyd. The witness (on immediate cross examination by the Prosecution tame after the persecution team tried to make up possibilities) stated that it was the pressure on Floyd that killed him. It does not matter that it was partly just below the neck, it killed him none the less, was the point that was made. This is consistent with the medical evidence and report. It is very clear from the videos that knee was mostly on the neck. It is very clear from the all the evidence so far that this was deadly and beyond what the killer was trained to do.

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Your's and America1st's common tactic of making an assertion but hiding it in a question is fooling no one.

i did nit read that

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We know you did. We also know that it does not matter whether you read or just watch Fox and Co video, the important thing is understanding.

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Reply #41 posted 04/07/21 5:20pm

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PennyPurple said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:


so now is the persacution admitting the knee was on his sholder or back and maybe not on his neck?



Look at the video. What do you see? The knee is on the neck.


nod And can’t be denied. Especially with actual witnesses standing very close by and saw Chauvin’s knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck. His death was like watching a modern-day lynching committed in front of actual witnesses at the scene, and watched by many Americans on their TVs.

Penny, I will never forget the compassionate Americans and others around the world who came out and protested against that killing, and called for justice for Mr. Floyd and his family, including those who still speak out against how Mr. Floyd was killed. I am sure that is appreciated by many within the Black community.
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Reply #42 posted 04/07/21 6:06pm

IanRG

The other farcical part of the defence (AKA persacution) team's performance was when they tried to lead the witness with a shortened video to pretend Floyd said he had taken too many drugs. The prosecution team showed the longer version, and the witness changed his position to disagree with defence team.

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Reply #43 posted 04/07/21 7:33pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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This is would have to be one of your worst posts ever.

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There is one team trying to prosecute the killer and one team trying to defend the killer by seeking to persecute the victim. This latter persacution (sic) team tried to say that knee may have spent some time just off the neck in the 9 and half minutes it took the killer to kill Floyd. The witness (on immediate cross examination by the Prosecution tame after the persecution team tried to make up possibilities) stated that it was the pressure on Floyd that killed him. It does not matter that it was partly just below the neck, it killed him none the less, was the point that was made. This is consistent with the medical evidence and report. It is very clear from the videos that knee was mostly on the neck. It is very clear from the all the evidence so far that this was deadly and beyond what the killer was trained to do.

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Your's and America1st's common tactic of making an assertion but hiding it in a question is fooling no one.

i did nit read that

then you wouldn't have quoted it and replied

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Reply #44 posted 04/08/21 8:14am

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Wow the pulmonologist that’s on the stand states George died from a low level of oxygen. He broke down how the low oxygen caused brain damage in George, because of Chauvin’s knee on George’s neck, and the handcuffs being driven into the victim’s back, limiting his breathing.


https://www.cnn.com/us/li...33c35ececf

11 min ago
“George Floyd died of "low level of oxygen," a pulmonologist testified

From CNN's Aditi Sangal

"Mr. Floyd died from a low level of oxygen," a pulmonologist testified at former Minneapolis Police officer Derek Chauvin's trial.

Dr. Martin Tobin, a physician in pulmonary and critical care medicine, testified after having reviewed the medical records in this case. He said he is not being paid to appear in court.

"And this caused damage to his brain that we see and it also caused a PEA arrhythmia, that caused his heart to stop," he told the court.

PEA means pulseless electrical activity, "which is a particular form of abnormal beat of heart — an arrhythmia," he explained.

He also shared his opinion on the cause for the low level of oxygen in Mr. Floyd:

"The cause of the low level of oxygen was shallow breathing. Small breaths. Small tidal volumes. Shallow breaths that weren't able to carry the air through his lungs down to the essential areas of the lungs that get oxygen into the blood and get rid of the carbon dioxide."

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Reply #45 posted 04/08/21 9:00am

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Watching and reading some of this testimony is downright heartbreaking. I don't care if George was high or tried to pass off a fake bill, this was murder by a racist, ego-driven cop. No doubt about it.

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Reply #46 posted 04/08/21 10:20am

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Empress said:

Watching and reading some of this testimony is downright heartbreaking. I don't care if George was high or tried to pass off a fake bill, this was murder by a racist, ego-driven cop. No doubt about it.


Agree. And the Pulmonologist also said that the fentanyl would have reduced his Mr. Floyd’s respiratory rate, but said Floyd respiratory rate was normal. He also said Chauvin’s knee remained on Mr. Floyd’s neck for more than 2 mins 44 seconds, after Mr. Floyd’s pulse stopped.

Cold-blooded murder. Smh.
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Reply #47 posted 04/08/21 10:29am

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When Only was a baby they threw him around like kindling.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #48 posted 04/08/21 2:01pm

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PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

i did nit read that

then you wouldn't have quoted it and replied

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It is actually a complement that shows I have gotten under his skin: Only uses silly game play tactics against those he cannot answer. With others who concentrate on his racism, he calls them racists. With me I seek to get him to address my comments, so when he cannot he says he is a nit who does not read, sorry, that he did not read what I said.

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Reply #49 posted 04/08/21 6:10pm

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Glad the prosecution put this pulmonologist on the stand today. He states George Floyd died from a ‘low level of oxygen’ when Chauvin’s knee pinned down on his neck restricted his ability to breathe.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/...index.html


George Floyd's preexisting conditions and drug use had no impact on his death, doctor says
By Eric Levenson and Aaron Cooper, CNN

Updated 6:18 PM ET, Thu April 8, 2021


(CNN)’A renowned pulmonary critical care doctor testified Thursday morning that George Floyd died from a "low level of oxygen" when former police officer Derek Chauvin pinned him to the street and restricted his ability to breathe.

"This caused damage to his brain that we see, and it also caused a PEA arrhythmia that caused his heart to stop," Dr. Martin Tobin of Chicago testified, referring to pulseless electrical activity, a type of cardiac arrest.

"The cause of the low level of oxygen was shallow breathing," he added. "Small breaths. Small tidal volumes. Shallow breaths that weren't able to carry the air through his lungs down to the essential areas of the lungs that get oxygen into the blood and get rid of the carbon dioxide."

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Reply #50 posted 04/09/21 8:54am

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Wow, both the pulmonologist and forensic pathologist states Mr. Floyd died of ‘low oxygen levels’, based on the result of the officers actions. Was not based on drug use or cardiac arrest.
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Reply #51 posted 04/12/21 7:55am

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Judge rejected Defense attorney’s request to sequester jury, due to latest shooting that happened in Minnesota earlier today.
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Reply #52 posted 04/12/21 9:31am

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2elijah said:

Wow, both the pulmonologist and forensic pathologist states Mr. Floyd died of ‘low oxygen levels’, based on the result of the officers actions. Was not based on drug use or cardiac arrest.



The defense should have objected that and if rejected score a point for an appeal
I did not read that.
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Reply #53 posted 04/12/21 9:57am

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Update on trial

https://www.cnn.com/us/li...index.html



46 min ago
Cardiologist says he believes Floyd's death "was absolutely preventable"
Cardiologist Dr. Jonathan Rich told the court he believes George Floyd's death "was absolutely preventable."


The prosecution asked Rich if he had an "opinion to a reasonable degree of medical certainty as to whether Mr. Floyd's death was preventable."

"Yes, I do," Rich said.

"Yes, I believe that Mr. George Floyd's death was absolutely preventable," he continued.

Rich explained several instances where, in his opinion, different actions could have been taken that could have saved his life.

"The first, of course, was to not subject him to that initial – that initial prone restraint positioning that he was subjected to. That is first and foremost. So if that was not the case, I don't think he would have died," he said.

"The second, though, was when he was in that subdual, and restraint positioning, and he was stating repeatedly that he can't breathe. And he was getting a little weaker in his speech. There was one moment in the video where I heard one of the officers saying I think he's passing out.

That would have been an opportunity to quickly relieve him from that position of not getting enough oxygen, perhaps turn him into a recovery position and allow him to start to expand his lungs again and bring in oxygen and get rid of carbon dioxide. So in addition to not putting him in that position in the first place, when there were signs that he was worsening, repositioning him, I think very likely would have saved his life," he added.”
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Reply #54 posted 04/12/21 11:24am

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Update on trial today 4/12/21:


https://www.cnn.com/us/li...index.html


45 min ago
George Floyd's brother, Philonise Floyd, expected to testify this afternoon

George Floyd’s brother, Philonise Floyd, is expected to testify in the Derek Chauvin trial this afternoon.

A courtroom pool reporter spoke with Philonise Floyd during a break in the trial on Monday. Floyd told the pool reporter he "went to sleep early, like at 8 o'clock and I've been up since 1 o'clock in the morning," when a phone call woke him up and he was not able to fall back to sleep.

Floyd said he has been crying a lot, but is "not nervous" about testifying after the lunch break and jokingly recalled how there were more cameras when he testified before Congress. Courtroom pool reports noted earlier on Monday that Philonise Floyd's wife, Keeta Floyd, was seen sitting in court.

Minnesota allows prosecutors to invoke the "spark of life" doctrine to call witnesses to testify about a victim's life.

Floyd also told the pool reporter that this morning he heard about the fatal officer involved shooting of Daunte Wright by Brooklyn Center police Sunday afternoon.

Court is currently on lunch break. Testimony is expected to resume at 2:30 p.m. ET.
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